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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rich46yo on August 20, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
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When I first came into the game and heard all the vets talk about how they would rather fly the challenging airplanes I really didnt believe them. But now? Frankly I have more fun upping a 239 or Yak then I do a 262. Or a pitiful slow IL2.
And it aint about perk points. Its about "fun". I actually just landed a 262 cause it wasnt "fun" flying it.
And its a great, exciting airplane. A real bonus in the game.
But bring on the Yaks, the Brewsters, the zeros, the cheaper Spits and Corsairs.
I get it now. :salute
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Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. :aok
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5 ENY FTW!!!!!
J/k 20 ENY for me
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When I first came into the game and heard all the vets talk about how they would rather fly the challenging airplanes I really didnt believe them. But now? Frankly I have more fun upping a 239 or Yak then I do a 262. Or a pitiful slow IL2.
And it aint about perk points. Its about "fun". I actually just landed a 262 cause it wasnt "fun" flying it.
And its a great, exciting airplane. A real bonus in the game.
But bring on the Yaks, the Brewsters, the zeros, the cheaper Spits and Corsairs.
I get it now. :salute
cap loves his b38.......oops....his P38. :aok :D
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20 is the magic number, or in corky's case, 30 :D
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20 :aok
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The Yak kicks butt and doesn't deserve inclusion in this thread except for its required gunnery discipline.
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When I first came into the game and heard all the vets talk about how they would rather fly the challenging airplanes I really didnt believe them. But now? Frankly I have more fun upping a 239 or Yak then I do a 262. Or a pitiful slow IL2.
And it aint about perk points. Its about "fun". I actually just landed a 262 cause it wasnt "fun" flying it.
And its a great, exciting airplane. A real bonus in the game.
But bring on the Yaks, the Brewsters, the zeros, the cheaper Spits and Corsairs.
I get it now. :salute
Brewsters, corsairs and spits are "EASYMODE" :aok :aok :uhoh
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Honestly, who cares if someone flies a low or high ENY plane? As long as they're having fun flying the plane they're in, all the power to them. I can't help but snicker at those that feel they've become 'experten' if they fly a high ENY plane.
ack-ack
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I just switched Yaks... The 9U is just ridiculous. One 37mm shot... done <==== not that I can do that with any frequency :lol
Oh and on another note. I never flew the spit 16 just because everyone called a newb plane and I didn't want to be ridiculed. I tried it the other day and guess what....? That is a freakin newb plane. Way to easy to fly...
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Well the 9-T is the one with the tater launcher, but they are both quite capable aircraft. I fly the 109-g6 as my main ride for the same reasons -- it is fun and a challenge. That and of course the mighty luft-style points. :aok
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I fly my 38J with one engine on occasion.... does that count?
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30+ is the number that it shall be known as...
...and the number shall be 30+
...for sooth he on high saw the number 30+ and said it was good!!
...and so it was.
REAL men drive A8's eh! :D :uhoh :D
oh ya - ack ack - I don't think everyone has the "i'm an experten" attitude you indicate (some do no doubt) - but more like me i think - I'm a lousy shot and keep falling outa the air but I LOVE a challenge - it's like golf - I'm not out there to beat you - I'm out there to beat myself - after 40 years of golf still haven't broken 100 but there's ALWAYS tommorrow! heheheh
,,,AND still having a blast.
.........safe skys eh!
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Brewsters, corsairs and spits are "EASYMODE" :aok :aok :uhoh
Go grab someone off the street who has never played this game before, sit him down in your chair, turn the engine on, and tell him to have fun.
See how well he does in each of those three planes. There's one in particular that is going to give him more trouble.
You can even take off for him, if you're feeling very generous... The results will be the same.
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The Yak-9T has the same 37mm cannon as the IL2. Only one of them.
Same ballistics, same ROF, same everything. Not to be mistaken for the Colt 37mm on the P-39.
Its probably the best anti-Tank cannon of the war. On an airplane that is.
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The Yak-9T has the same 37mm cannon as the IL2. Only one of them.
Same ballistics, same ROF, same everything. Not to be mistaken for the Colt 37mm on the P-39.
Its probably the best anti-Tank cannon of the war. On an airplane that is.
Except the Yak fires an HE round, not AP.
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Not to be mistaken for the Colt 37mm on the P-39.
Actually, it's Oldsmobile not Colt.
ack-ack
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The Yak kicks butt and doesn't deserve inclusion in this thread except for its required gunnery discipline.
back when i flew in ew all the time......i jumped into a hurri2c. got an enemy in my sights, and held the trigger,.......missed. got him there again, squeezed the trigger.......nothing!! :x :x
that's when i learned "short burst, short burst"
even in my 38, i still fire short bursts.
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I'm out there to beat myself - heheheh
,,,AND still having a blast.
isn't this illegal in some states?? :noid :noid
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Actually, it's Oldsmobile not Colt.
The gun was a Colt company product which Oldsmobile also manufactured.
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Go grab someone off the street who has never played this game before, sit him down in your chair, turn the engine on, and tell him to have fun.
See how well he does in each of those three planes. There's one in particular that is going to give him more trouble.
You can even take off for him, if you're feeling very generous... The results will be the same.
True enough vudak, The one you speek of is UBER UBER! The example I like is--> Two kids learn to ride BMX bikes together, both of them with training wheels. After a couple days they decide to race, (training wheels) still attached. The result of this race was suprisingly close because the training wheels limited performance sooo much. After a couple days one of them removes the training wheels " doesn't matter which one "and they race again. The kid without training wheels falls a couple times but because the performance of his bike without training wheels is sooooooooo much better he easily wins!
You see in my example the bike with training wheels is the same as LA7, spit, ki84, etc. etc. The better bike "without" training wheels is same as Corsair, P38, 109G14 and K4 etc. etc.
Another example : If you've learned to drive an Indy car, why would you ever seek better performance in nascar ? ;) You wouldn't, cause there is none :aok
The plane I believe you speek of, the "corsair" is possibly the very best series of plane in this game IMHO! Easiest to create an overshoot in, Holds energy like nothing else and with a little practice and flap management will out turn almost anything "at least long enough to gain a couple shots". A well flown corsair packin a little E is a very dangerous adversary indeed! There is less to fear from a well flown LA7, spit or ki etc. etc. again IMHO :salute
Those whos main rides are corsairs, p38s etc. will have a much bigger challenge in the so called "NOOB" rides then in the actual "very best rides " in the game :aok :aok
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ENY is an unreliable indicator.
The Fw-190D9 and Ki-84 are ~15. The 109 K-4 is 20! As is the SpitIX. The Yak9U has already been mentioned.
Meanwhile, the P-47N is ~5. :huh
So just make sure one's high ENY ride is well and truly crapulent before bragging about flying it. ;)
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ENY is an unreliable indicator.
The Fw-190D9 and Ki-84 are ~15. The 109 K-4 is 20! As is the SpitIX. The Yak9U has already been mentioned.
Meanwhile, the P-47N is ~5. :huh
So just make sure one's high ENY ride is well and truly crapulent before bragging about flying it. ;)
:aok well said :aok
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True enough vudak, The one you speek of is UBER UBER! The example I like is--> Two kids learn to ride BMX bikes together, both of them with training wheels. After a couple days they decide to race, (training wheels) still attached. The result of this race was suprisingly close because the training wheels limited performance sooo much. After a couple days one of them removes the training wheels " doesn't matter which one "and they race again. The kid without training wheels falls a couple times but because the performance of his bike without training wheels is sooooooooo much better he easily wins!
You see in my example the bike with training wheels is the same as LA7, spit, ki84, etc. etc. The better bike "without" training wheels is same as Corsair, P38, 109G14 and K4 etc. etc.
Another example : If you've learned to drive an Indy car, why would you ever seek better performance in nascar ? ;) You wouldn't, cause there is none :aok
The plane I believe you speek of, the "corsair" is possibly the very best series of plane in this game IMHO! Easiest to create an overshoot in, Holds energy like nothing else and with a little practice and flap management will out turn almost anything. A well flown corsair packin a little E is a very dangerous adversary indeed! There is less to fear from a well flown LA7, spit or ki etc. etc. again IMHO :salute
I consider the Corsair pretty similar to the P38... Both have more than enough tools to stand a decent chance against most if not all of the plane set, but if they were really "easy mode" (which both have been accused of now and then), then we'd see two things happen:
1. We would recommend them to newbies as a first ride; and
2. They would not be the two aircraft that have, hands down, the most requests for assistance with in the Help & Training area (I'd say the 109K4 is probably 3rd).
I'll agree that you are correct that a player who has put time and effort into this game can have great success with comparative ease in a Corsair, 38, or K4, as opposed to some other aircraft, but this is a reflection of the effort they have put into the game as a whole, and not a reflection of the planes actually being "easy" for the every day joe to fly well. In fact, all have some serious quirks that can quickly seal your fate if you're not careful. I know there are plenty of times where I push it too hard and have a costly misstep, and it's been my favorite ride for years.
:salute
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Except the Yak fires an HE round, not AP.
Maybe in the game. In real life it fired both.
Tho I suspect more HE then AP. The Yank 37mm fired both as well. As did the B-25H cannon.
It would be nice to have all the actual ords available in the game. :salute
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I have to agree, 20 is the magic number. Only fly below that in rare special circumstances, like a base under attack, then I will up a Nikki, spit 16 or LA7 for troops and anti vulching.
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I party with the F6F, 190A8 as my fighters. When I'm a bomb**** my choice is a p47d40 or my specialty B5N2. However, lately my favorite has been 190f8. it may turn like a turd but i love killing ack and those 12 rockets sure are fun to let loose. :x
No Fat Chicks on this Sc00ter
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Fly any plane you want, just don't come on the forums and complain you want more competition when 99% of what you fly is late war, low eny aircraft.
(note:this comment wasn't directed at anyone in this thread)
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I consider the Corsair pretty similar to the P38... Both have more than enough tools to stand a decent chance against most if not all of the plane set, but if they were really "easy mode" (which both have been accused of now and then), then we'd see two things happen:
1. We would recommend them to newbies as a first ride; and
2. They would not be the two aircraft that have, hands down, the most requests for assistance with in the Help & Training area (I'd say the 109K4 is probably 3rd).
I'll agree that you are correct that a player who has put time and effort into this game can have great success with comparative ease in a Corsair, 38, or K4, as opposed to some other aircraft, but this is a reflection of the effort they have put into the game as a whole, and not a reflection of the planes actually being "easy" for the every day joe to fly well. In fact, all have some serious quirks that can quickly seal your fate if you're not careful. I know there are plenty of times where I push it too hard and have a costly misstep, and it's been my favorite ride for years.
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Well they are "easymode" for those who use them all the time! Maybe you should try one of the "noob easymode" planes for a week, and see if you have the same success!
I use to fly the ki84 all the time. been tryin many different rides out for awhile now. The corsair was so stable and gentle it amazed me! In a 1v1 or even 1v2 it will absolutely excell. The only prob I could see with the corsair was once your E was gone you weren't getting it back anytime soon! But even when slow the corsair is UBER. I will freely admit, like the 38 it is a big target and easily chewed up in the horde. Other than that I find it quite easy, so much so I stopped flying it after a week. The 38 is in the same league with the corsair, although it is bigger and draws more gangflies to it. But its performance is stellar as well! again, IMHO :salute
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Fly want you want. Have fun and be good at it. :salute
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I consider the Corsair pretty similar to the P38... Both have more than enough tools to stand a decent chance against most if not all of the plane set, but if they were really "easy mode" (which both have been accused of now and then), then we'd see two things happen:
1. We would recommend them to newbies as a first ride; and
Funny you mention that. There's no doubt that HT has clipped the 38's wings compared to how he used to model it, because back in the '90s the P-38 was the plane that was recommended to newbies. :lol
http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/P-38L.htm (http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/P-38L.htm)
Just read hoof's writeup on the 38L for a laugh. Sustained 360 turn in 15 seconds (that's what our Spit V does now)!
The P38L has been called in Warbirds, and rightfully so, the Super Plane. The P38L is Jack of all trades, and master of most. The P38L does practically everything well, it dives with the best of them, is fast, has excellent high altitude performance, rolls with the best of them, until beyond 275mph, where it leaves all other planes in the dust, outturns all but the Zero and Ki43...
:rofl
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I consider the Corsair pretty similar to the P38... Both have more than enough tools to stand a decent chance against most if not all of the plane set, but if they were really "easy mode" (which both have been accused of now and then), then we'd see two things happen:
1. We would recommend them to newbies as a first ride; and
2. They would not be the two aircraft that have, hands down, the most requests for assistance with in the Help & Training area (I'd say the 109K4 is probably 3rd).
I'll agree that you are correct that a player who has put time and effort into this game can have great success with comparative ease in a Corsair, 38, or K4, as opposed to some other aircraft, but this is a reflection of the effort they have put into the game as a whole, and not a reflection of the planes actually being "easy" for the every day joe to fly well. In fact, all have some serious quirks that can quickly seal your fate if you're not careful. I know there are plenty of times where I push it too hard and have a costly misstep, and it's been my favorite ride for years.
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i don't know much about the corsairs.....'cept that i keep gettin my bellybutton kicked by good pile-its in them.......
but the p38. she's good at everything. she's not exceptional at anything. she's not forgiving of very many mistakes. but if you use her attributes together, and properly, she'll reward ya. she'll get ya the kill. she'll even get ya home if ya choose to bug out.
she is by no means an easymode aircraft. if you stall her at the wrong time, and the wrong aoa, she'll bite ya in the ass, and you'll meet the cartoon ground rather quickly.
i love the challenge of flying her.
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Funny you mention that. There's no doubt that HT has clipped the 38's wings compared to how he used to model it, because back in the '90s the P-38 was the plane that was recommended to newbies. :lol
http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/P-38L.htm (http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/P-38L.htm)
Just read hoof's writeup on the 38L for a laugh. Sustained 360 turn in 15 seconds (that's what our Spit V does now)!
:rofl
Probably Pyro's doing. He's been a P-38 driver at heart since his AW days when he was one of the better P-38 sticks in that game.
ack-ack
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22 is the number for me because it's the oddest even number around. :confused:
I completely understand what shreck was getting at earlier: In a P47 I will fly a much better fight than say a spit9,14,16 and the k/d tells the same story after each tour. The jug was my beginner ride for sentimental reasons and now it is the fallback ride when I want to land kills and aspire to join the ranks of der ubersnobben picktards.
On a side note: the F6F is a sentimental fav too but unfortunately the 47 holds almost all the cards- speed, firepower, toughness, roll, dive, high speed flaps, more ammo, more ord, better climb >10k and most importantly a rear view. I even count the cockpit layout in favor of the 47. In fact when you look at production times the F6F-3 (nearly identical performance to F6F-5) correlates to the P-47B! Yes it has a pretty blue paint job and a tailhook but IMHO the F6F should be a 20ENY ride allowing me to fly it with a clear conscience :D All other 15 ENY rides generally butcher this poor bird if Greebo isn't at the controls. Thus this guy agrees in longwinded fashion that ENY is not a reliable indicator of killing efficiency.
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Luv flyin' the FW-190a5 landing is fun too,just rare.
Fly whatever you like,more power to ya. :D
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I flew the spit 9 for years when i first played and it never did me any harm.
A new player will only learn and improve if he is willing to do so, regardless of what aircraft he is flying.
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Fly any plane you want, just don't come on the forums and complain you want more competition when 99% of what you fly is late war, low eny aircraft.
(note:this comment wasn't directed at anyone in this thread)
We all know this was directed at Mensa......
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Have fun running like little girls in your 20+ eny fighters.
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Have fun running like little girls in your 20+ eny fighters.
Are they running or just waiting for you to come down so you can see their icon. :P
:D
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Rich,
I dont comment on these types of threads often but it's nice to see your change in attitude!
There was a time when you'd say what value does an early bird bring and that we need a perked bomber,etc. So it was surprizing to me to see this post,to say the least.
I'm glad you see the value in the higher eny planes now and are enjoying the fact that it's fun to fly the early/hi eny planes even in an arena full of those other planes.
:salute
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Have fun running like little girls in your 20+ eny fighters.
i don't fly anything that's fast enough to run away. :noid
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If ya kill everyone, you won't have to run :t
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When I run its because my Yak is out of bullets, not 'cause I'm faster than you and I want my pixels to not get shot up. :noid
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I'm not running. I'm picking up E for the next HO pass
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Have fun running like little girls in your 20+ eny fighters.
It isn't running, it's called "strategically gaining an advantage over the opponent."
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I just switched Yaks... The 9U is just ridiculous. One 37mm shot... done <==== not that I can do that with any frequency :lol
And that's the challange, Yak T 37mm even after flying it pretty much as a sole ride for over a year, gunnery and consistantly hitting other aircraft is what keeps bringing me back to the Yak T compared to the U.. Some nights you can pull off 400 yard snap shots on cons under the nose you can't even see. Other nights it seems like you can't even hit a goon at point blank.
Plus the T has considerbly less flight performance then the U which adds to the challange.
For me the game is less about easy or high number of kills and is far more about finding and not necessarily winning good fights away from the crowds. I'm thankful due to time zones that I fly mostly off peek when the quality and number of fights that fall into that catagory are far more common then peek hours.
Any other aspects of the game don't and haven't interested me in over 7 years, and that certainly includes flying top tier rides.
<S>...-Gixer
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He's back! :)