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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: nub001 on August 22, 2009, 10:19:08 AM
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Got to have this tank in here. It may have terrible armor but better than m8, but we need this since we dont have a american tank since firefly doesn't count.
Primary
armament 1× 76 mm (76.2 mm) M1A1 gun
45 rounds
Secondary
armament 1× .50 cal M2HB machine gun
800 rounds
Engine Continental R-975-C4, 9-cylinder, radial piston gasoline engine
340 hp (253 kW)
Power/weight 18.9 hp/tonne
Suspension Torsion bar
Weight 17.7 tonnes (39,000 lb)
Length 6.68 m (21.9 ft) (with gun)
5.28 m (17.3 ft) (without gun)
Width 2.87 m (9.4 ft)
Height 2.57 m (8.4 ft) Speed 55mph.The M18 continued in production until October 1944, when the war was nearing its end. 2,507 had been produced by that time.For additional information on the m18 go to website. http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/ftdm18.htm
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We could really do some damage with this thing
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We could really do some damage with this thing
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[/quoteTHANK YOU We really need this thing so when ppl are spawn camping u can get out of there really fast and shoot while moving they wouldnt no whats happening.
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Why doesn't the Firefly count?
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it would be alot of work for nothing, i doubt people would use it since you'd get blown up with one shot from a 37mm
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Why doesn't the Firefly count?
Its british not american
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it would be alot of work for nothing, i doubt people would use it since you'd get blown up with one shot from a 37mm
No it would not be its slanted armor is like 1 inch it acts as 2 inches though. besides the fact m8 wont be able to pierce from long ranges because its slanted rear and side and turret yes front no only up close.Be sides we could use a American tank.
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The main purpose of a Tank Destroyer is it is lightly armored but fast. You ambush, kill and run. The M10 and M18 destroyers are not tanks. They are much more manuverable then a tank and with there lighter weight they can are 2 times as fast as a tank. Its a good tool that if used right would be a benefit to any Army.
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The main purpose of a Tank Destroyer is it is lightly armored but fast. You ambush, kill and run. The M10 and M18 destroyers are not tanks. They are much more manuverable then a tank and with there lighter weight they can are 2 times as fast as a tank. Its a good tool that if used right would be a benefit to any Army.
so u want this tank in the game? like alot of others?
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Its british not american
This is new to me... Where'd you get your info? Not saying you are wrong but just wondering.
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The M18 Hellcat would offer high speed (48mph?), med to high anti-armor fireower (very low HE ability, since HE shells were not issued but in low numbers to a *tank destroyer*), armor slightly better than the M8, but sloped, and an open turret.
It would be a fruit cake on teh defensive, but a real force to be concerned with on teh offensive due to its ability to hit-n-run vs gv's and the strength of its gun.
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It would be a fruit cake on teh defensive, but a real force to be concerned with on teh offensive due to its ability to hit-n-run vs gv's and the strength of its gun.
The best defense is a good offense :) That's always the best way to defend a base,go out and hit ad run with T34s or M8s
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This is new to me... Where'd you get your info? Not saying you are wrong but just wondering.
Eagleclaw...the Firefly was a British modified Sherman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly)
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The M18 Hellcat would offer high speed (48mph?), med to high anti-armor fireower (very low HE ability, since HE shells were not issued but in low numbers to a *tank destroyer*), armor slightly better than the M8, but sloped, and an open turret.
It would be a fruit cake on teh defensive, but a real force to be concerned with on teh offensive due to its ability to hit-n-run vs gv's and the strength of its gun.
60 mph :devil
+1 to M-18!!! :aok
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60 mph :devil
+1 to M-18!!! :aok
60 mph on road 55 max on dirt now on road u for the hell of it drive into a convoy you will be flying they need to fix that if convoys hit u they should wreck not flip you 50 feet or more in air.they need to fix trains as well. trains probably will kill u and destroy them selves. If they hit u on the tracks tank driver probably will die due to impact of the train.Now any ways m18 hellkitty needs to be in here!!!!!!!!!
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Heh heh...I see Lock 'n Load on the History Channel has already had an effect...
Wouldn't mind seeing this vehicle, however, I am going to tell you, three factors will limit its effectiveness in AHII more than in R/L. One is the fact that GVs sitting still are so darn near invisible with the zooms available from the "tank commander's" viewpoint, and two, the fact that said nigh-invisible parked vehicles will be able to fire accurately at the thin-skinned M18 from up to 3K away and be able to land hits however fast it be moving. A third and final factor limiting effectiveness will be how well some players will be able to track the M18, be it ever so fast, by the switching off their engines and using the auditory "radar" exploit.
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You can break up spawn camps with its speed. get up and run for your life, get behind the tiger, hit and run!
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I had a 5 kill run doing actual tanking against panzers in an m8 yesterday I know I could do better yet with an m-18
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I'm All for it!!!!! :aok :aok :aok
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I had a 5 kill run doing actual tanking against panzers in an m8 yesterday I know I could do better yet with an m-18
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try an M16,they don't think you're able to kill them so they usually dont worry bout it :P
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How does one kill a panzer in an m-16 I call poo poo?
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Got to have this tank in here. It may have terrible armor but better than m8, but we need this since we dont have a american tank since firefly doesn't count.
Primary
armament 1× 76 mm (76.2 mm) M1A1 gun
45 rounds
Secondary
armament 1× .50 cal M2HB machine gun
800 rounds
Engine Continental R-975-C4, 9-cylinder, radial piston gasoline engine
340 hp (253 kW)
Power/weight 18.9 hp/tonne
Suspension Torsion bar
Weight 17.7 tonnes (39,000 lb)
Length 6.68 m (21.9 ft) (with gun)
5.28 m (17.3 ft) (without gun)
Width 2.87 m (9.4 ft)
Height 2.57 m (8.4 ft) Speed 55mph.The M18 continued in production until October 1944, when the war was nearing its end. 2,507 had been produced by that time.For additional information on the m18 go to website. http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/ftdm18.htm
OK i half to say kudos for who made this i looked all over books of ww2 and could not find a good tank for the game this looks like a good one to me the way i read it i would like to see a picture to it
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go here for a pic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat
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How does one kill a panzer in an m-16 I call poo poo?
get behind it,you gotta be STRAIGHT though,any kind of an angle and it will deflect,takes about 250-300 rds
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get behind it,you gotta be STRAIGHT though,any kind of an angle and it will deflect,takes about 250-300 rds
Do you have film of one of these?
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Do you have film of one of these?
don't think I HAVE a film of it,but I can get ya one :)
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You bet.. Lemme know.
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How are you gonna get the M-18 in the geme? Vote? I don't know this stuff.
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good question skulls Its fun to pretend though
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get behind it,you gotta be STRAIGHT though,any kind of an angle and it will deflect,takes about 250-300 rds
I swear dude your always full of bs dueling arena ain't updated to make em bounce off same with driving into tanks and killing em from inside no one gvs in DA that's why they don't update it now stop bsing u no that 50 cals wont do crap to panzer unless it hits treads. Before you post or talk bout something make sure you can do it in the MAIN ARENAS DUR NOT DA OR OFFLINE MA.And dont rob post go brag bout it some where other than the wishlist. Now any ways m18 needs to come to this game for anti - spawn campers. also squeakers are annoying
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I swear dude your always full of bs dueling arena ain't updated to make em bounce off same with driving into tanks and killing em from inside no one gvs in DA that's why they don't update it now stop bsing u no that 50 cals wont do crap to panzer unless it hits treads. Before you post or talk bout something make sure you can do it in the MAIN ARENAS DUR NOT DA OR OFFLINE MA.And dont rob post go brag bout it some where other than the wishlist. Now any ways m18 needs to come to this game for anti - spawn campers. also squeakers are annoying
I can do it in the main arena,easily. I also would think twice about just who you are to be calling someone ELSE a squeaker
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I can do it in the main arena,easily. I also would think twice about just who you are to be calling someone ELSE a squeaker
I think your talking about me in a LVT.
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I can do it in the main arena,easily. I also would think twice about just who you are to be calling someone ELSE a squeaker
dude they would kill you first so stop bsing no 1 likes some 1 shooting at them u would always die quite frankly i think u brag to feel important.ur propaganda aint working dude no 1 believes or listens to ur bs and u no for a fact im not one u run a squeaky squad which is very unorganized very squeaky cant follow orders correctly w/o 50 mistakes per sortie. now any ways NO MORE HIJACKING THIS TOPIC RULER Make ur own to bs in not mine.
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Ruler2 knows his stuff about 90% Nuub so shut ya trap, Ruler i am interested to see film of an actual tank kill with m-16
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dude they would kill you first so stop bsing no 1 likes some 1 shooting at them u would always die quite frankly i think u brag to feel important.ur propaganda aint working dude no 1 believes or listens to ur bs and u no for a fact im not one u run a squeaky squad which is very unorganized very squeaky cant follow orders correctly w/o 50 mistakes per sortie. now any ways NO MORE HIJACKING THIS TOPIC RULER Make ur own to bs in not mine.
ok mr. tough guy :rofl
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I swear dude your always full of bs dueling arena ain't updated to make em bounce off same with driving into tanks and killing em from inside no one gvs in DA that's why they don't update it now stop bsing u no that 50 cals wont do crap to panzer unless it hits treads. Before you post or talk bout something make sure you can do it in the MAIN ARENAS DUR NOT DA OR OFFLINE MA.And dont rob post go brag bout it some where other than the wishlist. Now any ways m18 needs to come to this game for anti - spawn campers. also squeakers are annoying
o rly? watch this,fresh out the game,8/30/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uytYDVfnyGc
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Ok, now lets get back to the M-18, or go post a new topic on the m16
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Ruler, do you have the actual ahf film from that?
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Holy Crap.
Didnt think that was even remotely possible.
<S> Ruler2
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Nice ruler
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Ruler, do you have the actual ahf film from that?
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Reading nub100's posts may actually be making my IQ drop. :(
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Ruler, do you have the actual ahf film from that?
negative moot,I made that one with fraps,but I can get you one if you would like
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negative moot,I made that one with fraps,but I can get you one if you would like
Please do. All those 50s and you only got an assist out of it . . . could be a friendly tank finished him. The actual film will prove out one way or the other.
The rear armor of a pzkwIV(H) is only 20mm, so at close range the .50 could probably penetrate. But whether that round would have enough power left to damage the engine behind, I'm not sure. But I also don't know how HTC models their damage, so penetration may be sufficient to assume damage.
<EDIT> In fact, this should be easy to test in MW at an out-of-the-way place between two willing participants, both filming. I'm game if anyone wants to try. Send PM.<ENDEDIT>
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Here Is a M-18 pic link http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m18td.php
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ok,got the .ahf file,you guys want me to email it to ya or what?
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ok,got the .ahf file,you guys want me to email it to ya or what?
You can post it on Mediafire.com or some other file sharing site, and link it here.
Looking forward to it.
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Ruler, do you have the actual ahf film from that?
Is there any way to block people from posting in your topic?
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Not by the forum software, there isn't.
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Not by the forum software, there isn't.
Well i no what i want to wish for next.
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I don't see HTC restricting who can or can't post in someone else's topics. An ignore feature is the most I'd expect.. Don't hold your breath though.
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Well i no what i want to wish for next.
nub can you just NOT accept the fact that I was right and you were wrong? I have a VIDEO for cryin out loud and you still won't believe me,that's just pure ignorance on your part
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nub can you just NOT accept the fact that I was right and you were wrong? I have a VIDEO for cryin out loud and you still won't believe me,that's just pure ignorance on your part
The video, intriguing though it may be, was inconclusive. Still waiting for the link to the AHF file.
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The video, intriguing though it may be, was inconclusive. Still waiting for the link to the AHF file.
took a couple of triesd to make it work,but here it is http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=99e181786080a589aaca48175a79d1c3e04e75f6e8ebb871
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Certainly looks like a clean kill. :aok
Going to have to get a squaddie or two to try it out for ourselves.
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Looks like damage from the 50s, but the kill message could (most likely) be sandwich seeing damage and ditching -> capture-proxy kill awarded to Ruler2. At this point, only HTC could definitely tell what's what by looking at the film.
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Looks like damage from the 50s, but the kill message could (most likely) be sandwich seeing damage and ditching -> capture-proxy kill awarded to Ruler2. At this point, only HTC could definitely tell what's what by looking at the film.
Just need both the shooter and the victim to film and post. If it is indeed a clean kill, the message in the victim's text buffer will say "you have been killed." If he is ditching out, it will say "you have ditched" or "you have been captured."
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Im gonna stop using gv's except for the osti.
I downloaded the film and almost died laughing at what happened.
I thought that that panzer lagged and got me.
Its a clean kill. Ruler somehow got me with an m16.
Didnt ditch, just got straight up killed by him.
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I've never seen a real kill by 50cal since the DM revision way back when (years ago), and nothing but (countless) ditch-proxies when you effectively TKO someone's sortie by disabling their turret or engine.
edit - disregard above.. Sandwich do you have film of that sortie?
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I swear dude your always full of bs dueling arena ain't updated to make em bounce off same with driving into tanks and killing em from inside no one gvs in DA that's why they don't update it now stop bsing u no that 50 cals wont do crap to panzer unless it hits treads. Before you post or talk bout something make sure you can do it in the MAIN ARENAS DUR NOT DA OR OFFLINE MA.And dont rob post go brag bout it some where other than the wishlist. Now any ways m18 needs to come to this game for anti - spawn campers. also squeakers are annoying
The DA does not require a seperate update when the game is updated. If he could do it in the DA, he's going to be able to do it in the main arena as well. And yes, I agree you squeakers are very annoying.
ack-ack
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I've never seen a real kill by 50cal since the DM revision way back when (years ago), and nothing but (countless) ditch-proxies when you effectively TKO someone's sortie by disabling their turret or engine.
edit - disregard above.. Sandwich do you have film of that sortie?
Unfourtunately no, i didnt save the film from my sortie.
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I remember doing this once myself. It was one of those nights when just a few people playing in one of the MAs. I killed an M3 near maproom with an M16 ...then heard tank spawn in so just for fun drove the M16 out to where the panzer was rolling. I got behind it and pumped it full of .50 cal, figuring I was just being annoying but the panzer blew up. It wasn't already damaged because it was the same guy that was driving the M3---he spawned back in with his tank to kill my M16. Nobody else was defending the field so I know it wasn't tank fire and I was just stealing the kill with my .50s. It took several seconds of continuous fire, but I don't remember how many rounds.
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I remember doing this once myself. It was one of those nights when just a few people playing in one of the MAs. I killed an M3 near maproom with an M16 ...then heard tank spawn in so just for fun drove the M16 out to where the panzer was rolling. I got behind it and pumped it full of .50 cal, figuring I was just being annoying but the panzer blew up. It wasn't already damaged because it was the same guy that was driving the M3---he spawned back in with his tank to kill my M16. Nobody else was defending the field so I know it wasn't tank fire and I was just stealing the kill with my .50s. It took several seconds of continuous fire, but I don't remember how many rounds.
It's somewhere around 350 to kill one
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I've never seen a real kill by 50cal since the DM revision way back when (years ago), and nothing but (countless) ditch-proxies when you effectively TKO someone's sortie by disabling their turret or engine.
edit - disregard above.. Sandwich do you have film of that sortie?
umm this is about the m18 not cheap kills when ppl end sortie to stop the annoying sound of the 50s hitting u y dont they turn sound off ill never no but any ways this is a m18 hellcat topic and i'd rather have it one trying to get this in here.
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nub
you do know you're just wrong right.
Its proven that an m16 can kill a tank.
Ive seen it happen, hell I've had it happen to me.
It is possible.
And yes I want the M18.
I would rather have the m36 though.
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The rear armor of a pzkwIV(H) is only 20mm, so at close range the .50 could probably penetrate. But whether that round would have enough power left to damage the engine behind, I'm not sure. But I also don't know how HTC models their damage, so penetration may be sufficient to assume damage.
(http://img59.exs.cx/img59/919/ap19az.jpg)
At 200 yards the .50 BMG is capable of penetrating 20mm of armor, at point blank range it should break through it no sweat.
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I think the m-18 would be a great addition. And we need an American tank
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Lots of Tank Destroyers lately being wished for , but I like this one it gets a +1 from me not that my opinion would in any way shape or form matter .
Nutte :salute
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M-18
I say +1 to it.
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(http://img59.exs.cx/img59/919/ap19az.jpg)
At 200 yards the .50 BMG is capable of penetrating 20mm of armor, at point blank range it should break through it no sweat.
btw that with AP ROUNDS our m16 doesnt have em YET wish for ap 50's
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From: The Tank Killers by Harry Yeide:
Buick had designed the M18 with much input from the Tank Destroyer Force. The vehicle embodied the doctrine: fast, light, and lethal. At 40,000 pounds, the M18 was little more than half as heavy as the M10, and it could reach the remarkable speed of 50 miles per hour. The tradeoff was the armor was thin--a mere half -inch on the hull front (less than the M8 armored car. The Hellcat carried a 76mm gun (a lighter version of the 3-inch gun) in a full-traverse open-topped turret, and, like the M10, had no machine guns other than an antiaircraft .50-caliber mounted at the turret rear.
Buick, however, claimed it had designed the Hellcat as the answer to the Mark IV front armor--it was not. Some, moreover, disliked the Hellcat's thin armor and thus preferred the M10. One Battalion--the 813th--in early 1945 fought conversion from the M10 to the M18 so vigorously that it was moved to the M36 instead. The battalion judged that "the M10 is a superior TD to the M18 in every particular."
wrongway
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love the Idea of the m18 I think it would be a great addition(http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx209/hibbie2/m18hellcat4.jpg)
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From: The Tank Killers by Harry Yeide:
wrongway
true but the guns are the same and m18 weaker armor but it looks badass m10 looks like a box
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(http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo70/anamenobodysgot/m18hellcat4.jpg)
:noid
One of these days...
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true but the guns are the same and m18 weaker armor but it looks badass m10 looks like a box
M10 used a 3" anti aircraft gun also formerly used as the deck gun on submarines. The gun was being replaced in general use by the 90mm gun for AA and subs.
The M18 used the same 76mm gun used in the Sherman, which is not the 17lb'er used in the Firefly.
wrongway
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Lol IMO it would just get pwned by all the other tanks + with two new planes added and a new terrian system i think it's a fail to bring in another gv lol we've got plenty.
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Someone verify that the 76mm on the M10 and the M18 were the exact same thing using the exact same ammo. Or not.
I'm reading from 2 different sources that say they were the exact same thing.
I'm seeing the M18 being one quick and fast moving TD using the hit-n-run dance vs the sit and snipe M10 tactic. Regardless if the M10 has "more" armor or not vs the M18, it is still token vs enemy incoming AP (and HE) projectiles.
Bring on the M18 and intoduce a new kind of ground combat: a true hit-n-run capable vehicle.
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Someone verify that the 76mm on the M10 and the M18 were the exact same thing using the exact same ammo. Or not.
I'm reading from 2 different sources that say they were the exact same thing.
I'm seeing the M18 being one quick and fast moving TD using the hit-n-run dance vs the sit and snipe M10 tactic. Regardless if the M10 has "more" armor or not vs the M18, it is still token vs enemy incoming AP (and HE) projectiles.
Bring on the M18 and intoduce a new kind of ground combat: a true hit-n-run capable vehicle.
M10 used a 3" anti aircraft gun also formerly used as the deck gun on submarines. The gun was being replaced in general use by the 90mm gun for AA and subs.
The M18 used the same 76mm gun used in the Sherman, which is not the 17lb'er used in the Firefly.
wrongway
The Tank Killers again:
a 3-inch (76mm) converted antiaircraft gun was mounted in an open-topped turret.... A large number of 3-inch guns were available because they were being replaced on submarines with 5-inch models and in antiaircraft units with 90mm guns.
The 76mm in the M18 was a lighter version of the 3-inch gun, apparently.
wrongway
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(http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo70/anamenobodysgot/m18hellcat4.jpg)
:noid
One of these days...
:rofl
It may suck, but its sexy looking so I want it. hehe :O
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The Tank Killers again:
The 76mm in the M18 was a lighter version of the 3-inch gun, apparently.
wrongway
Different gun entirely, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_gun_M1
It was a new gun with breech similar to that of the 75 mm M3 Gun. It fired the same shell as the 3-inch (76 mm) gun of the 3in Gun Motor Carriage M10 tank destroyer, but from a different case.
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Different gun entirely, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76_mm_gun_M1
according to the link, the "shell"' is the same but the "casing" is different. *shrugs* I dont get it. The formed brass in which the primer, powder, and projectile are all "installed" (for lack of better terms) is the case, per say, but a "shell" at least to me is in reference to the liking of a shotgun "shell".
So... can we assume that the projectile was the same and the case was different???
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according to the link, the "shell"' is the same but the "casing" is different. *shrugs* I dont get it. The formed brass in which the primer, powder, and projectile are all "installed" (for lack of better terms) is the case, per say, but a "shell" at least to me is in reference to the liking of a shotgun "shell".
So... can we assume that the projectile was the same and the case was different???
"Shell" is a common term for any explosive-filled projectile.
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"Shell" is a common term for any explosive-filled projectile.
so my assumption was right? ;) The M10 and M18 fired the same AP projectile with very similar (if not the exact same) performance from a different casing. :aok