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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: oakranger on August 25, 2009, 01:36:28 PM
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In the United Kingdom, a graphic public service film depicting the ravages of using cell phones in cars. They should air this in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ttNgZDZruI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ttNgZDZruI)
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Powerful video. :aok
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As of November it will illegal to use a cellphone here. Hands free is still going to be allowed.
It is to be an $80 instant fine and 20 demerit points (100 and you lose your license over here)
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driving is a full time job, hands free is still a distraction. unless you are a race car driver talking to your spotter or crew chief.
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Though I think the real problem is not texting (or other distracting activities), but people not taking driving or Darwin seriously enough.
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driving is a full time job, hands free is still a distraction. unless you are a race car driver talking to your spotter or crew chief.
So in other words you shouldn't be allowed to speak with a passenger?
I'm more of the opinion that if you can't drive and speak at the same time you shouldn't drive at all.
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My father-in-law was hit by a 16 year old and die on Dec 27. The kid told the cops he was not on the cellphone and they checked. However, they faild if he was texting at the time. The kid claims that he did not see my father-in-law but four other witness behind the kid. So it raised questions as to why the kid didn't see him.
At the mediation, our lawyer asked the kids if he was text messaging. The kid froze up and faces turn white, but never said he did. It was no doupt that he was text messaging.
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That's awful oakranger. However, texting while driving should be considered irresponsible driving, just as any number of other distracting activities like having sex or doing your makeup or all the other idiocies we see on the highways. We shouldn't need a separate law for each one of them.
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Though I think the real problem is not texting (or other distracting activities), but people not taking driving or Darwin seriously enough.
THAT is the correct answer sir!!!!!
people seem to forget that they're driving a 2 ton 4 wheeled missile.
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My father-in-law was hit by a 16 year old and die on Dec 27. The kid told the cops he was not on the cellphone and they checked. However, they faild if he was texting at the time. The kid claims that he did not see my father-in-law but four other witness behind the kid. So it raised questions as to why the kid didn't see him.
At the mediation, our lawyer asked the kids if he was text messaging. The kid froze up and faces turn white, but never said he did. It was no doupt that he was text messaging.
dam//////sorry for your loss sir!
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Damn right something like this should be shown in the States.
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Washington State has outlawed all but hands-free cell use in vehicles.
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We shouldn't need a separate law for each one of them.
Well, it is not the best either. Yea, you can make a law on these but ppl will still break them just like dinking and driving.
Damn right something like this should be shown in the States.
This was filmed in UK, but couldn't be aired because it is "TOO GRAPHIC". I do think something like this, dispite how graphic it is, will get the message to the public.
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Terrible truth is that people would still do it unfortunately
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Washington State has outlawed all but hands-free cell use in vehicles.
nj has outlawed cell phone use, unless using hands free device......but they're considering outlawing them too.
they once had billboards along rt 295 with a phone number to call from your cell to report people talking on their cells. and i'm not kidding.
the police i also see on cell phones a LOT
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the police i also see on cell phones a LOT
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If only i can take pic of them on the phone while driving to send it to the state..........hummmm thats sounds like a great why of getting the state attension on how bad it is. would that be illegal?
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If only i can take pic of them on the phone while driving to send it to the state..........hummmm thats sounds like a great why of getting the state attension on how bad it is. would that be illegal?
nope. have your passenger snap the picture. :aok :D
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the police i also see on cell phones a LOT
That really fries my bacon when I see that. Cell phone use while driving (except hands free) is illegal in Suffolk County, Long Island. I see cops jabbering on the cell phone several times a week. They do not enforce the law, because they violate it themselves. At least one accident by a cop was cell phone related. I sent a letter to the Commissioner requesting that cell phones use not be permitted in squad (sector) cars, unless the car is stopped. No response.
My brother is a county Deputy Sheriff, and those guys are always using their cell phones while on the job.
Meanwhile, I was nearly clobbered by a 20 something female a few weeks ago. She drove right through a stop sign while texting. Her first inkling of her mistake was my air horns and sudden realization of towering Jeep just two feet from her door. She swerved and nearly hit a power pole. Part of me wishes she had at least sideswiped the pole. Nothing like an object lesson, right?
My regards,
Widewing
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I was going to place this link of a report on cell usage and effects but I didn't...I know it is only one report but still quite interesting.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/think_media/241042/241120/02-mobilephonereport-directline
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i've been behind the times as far as phones go, but after gaining up on it...new phone, new plan, can text all day, prefer it to talking
I already knew that texting + driving is horrible horrible idea. I can talk and drive just fine, but when you're trying to read and drive, let alone type it's an accident just waiting to happen.
And yes, that PSA should be broadcasted in the USA, totally agree on that.
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not only should that video be shown over here in the usa, but it should be shown to every highschool class. every teen should see this before they're allowed to drive a car.
it is kind of funny too, that they show a young girl doing that, as it always seems to be girls that forget that they're driving that 2 ton weapon.
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I'll talk on my while driving but my attention is and always has been on safely operating my vehicle. No phone call is worth someone else's life or property. Unfortunately more ppl here don't share this opinion.
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Not sure if you all picked up on this, in the video, that baby is dead. that just send chills up my spin and looking at my 9 month old.
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Hands free devices are far from safe. The problem is that when you have someone in the car with you, they know when to shut up and let you drive when traffic situations require concentration. A person talking to you on a cell phone has no way of doing this, and will likely be insulted if you say "shut up and let me drive".
As far as texting goes, I know at least 1 teenager I work with has caused an accident because she was texting and driving.
Here in Massachusetts we also had a problem with a Light Rail Vehicle crash in Boston because the motorman was texting. Luckily it only resulted in minor injuries.
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Not sure if you all picked up on this, in the video, that baby is dead. that just send chills up my spin and looking at my 9 month old.
i did........and it made me think of my neice, even though she's 9.
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When I am able to drive I will NEVER use a phone while driving, I'm already afraid of the road enough. ;)
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I've just learned to drive, and after watching that video I am NEVER going to use my phone whilst driving. Ever.
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I've just learned to drive, and after watching that video I am NEVER going to use my phone whilst driving. Ever.
I am holding you on that statement you made.
In fact, everyone that saw this and have issues with cellphone while driving should send that vedio to anyone you know. If the Government will not get off there bellybutton to stop it, the power of the people will have to do it. Go to your local school and talked to the student driving teacher and show them the video, have them show it to new drivers.
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The UK has had a pretty graphic approach to road safety films for a long time now. You should see some of the summer and Christmas DUI campaign films from the last 20 years or so.
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This one was very clever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVBfMMMUsGs&feature=related
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These two danish ones too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPJPpoeiaso&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9OgkJdbLcg&NR=1
Why is reality too "graphic" to show Americans? Reality is exactly what people need to see and know to make sound judgments when driving.
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:salute Teddy...
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/2818964050_db877945c9-1.jpg)
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I'm sick to see these videos, but glad I did, and glad teenagers are going to watch them.
Has anyone seen anything like that in the States?
Maybe it will get viral on YouTube and Facebook.
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I'm sick to see these videos, but glad I did, and glad teenagers are going to watch them.
Has anyone seen anything like that in the States?
Maybe it will get viral on YouTube and Facebook.
I've seen them reported on the news. Haven't seen them during any commercial spots yet.
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I wonder what will kill more teens this year, <Sarcasm Font> guns </Sarcasm Font> or PDAs. :(
The argument over whether or not laws should be passed to criminalize texting while driving is challenging my libertarian leanings. On one hand, I'd really like to see all cell phones disabled in the hands of a driver, especially a teen driver. On the other hand there are already specific laws for vehicular manslaughter. Perhaps those should be reviewed. But how will they be enforced?
What we really need are responsible youth, and responsible parents. I don't think new laws on the books will create that.
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Phones should be banned in the car full stop... I have seen to many people die because of some idiot that thinks the can drive sms and read the paper at the same time.....
If in the car the driver should be driving nothing else!
Here I believe it's a € 150 fine if they see you with a phone in your hand while driving... the should raise it to € 1500 and a 30 Day suspension of the licence as far as I am concerned.
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You're a hard man Heater, but banning cell phones in cars is never going to happen. They are too important and convenient. As long as it's a hands-free set it is ok. Like I said earlier: If you can't drive and talk at the same time you shouldn't be driving at all.
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I'm sorry but I believe there is only one answer. Not to ban cell phones, but the second you activate one, answer an incoming call, or send and outgoing call your car engine dies, or tranny locks into neutral and your forced to pull over.
Should be mandatory, on the federal level, for all states.
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Phones should be banned in the car full stop... I have seen to many people die because of some idiot that thinks the can drive sms and read the paper at the same time.....
If in the car the driver should be driving nothing else!
Here I believe it's a € 150 fine if they see you with a phone in your hand while driving... the should raise it to € 1500 and a 30 Day suspension of the licence as far as I am concerned.
no.....unless they take the car during that suspension.........suspension s don't tend to stop people from driving.
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I'm sorry but I believe there is only one answer. Not to ban cell phones, but the second you activate one, answer an incoming call, or send and outgoing call your car engine dies, or tranny locks into neutral and your forced to pull over.
Should be mandatory, on the federal level, for all states.
that in theory is an excellent idea.
in reality, it would be horrible, and would eventually cause many many accidents.
when your engine cuts, you lose power steering.
you get 1, possibly 2 pumps on the brakes, then your power assist is gone.
so imagine your 20 year old daughter.......small frame, and only weighs 110#. think she'll handle that car at 60mph, in the left lane on the interstate with no power steering or brakes?
it's been allowed to perpetuate itself into our lifestyles. there is unfortunately no stopping it now.
all the rest of us can do is to be more alert.
besides, if they're going to do this for phones, then they'd need to outlaw drinking while you're driving(water, soda, coffee, etc...i know what you thought when you read that! :aok ), eating, and we'd have to turn off the radios, as they're pretty distracting too.
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I'm sorry but I believe there is only one answer. Not to ban cell phones, but the second you activate one, answer an incoming call, or send and outgoing call your car engine dies, or tranny locks into neutral and your forced to pull over.
Should be mandatory, on the federal level, for all states.
Brilliant... I can see the pileups now.
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the ability to disable a cell phone when the car is over 10mph is here now. I have no doubt it will mandatory soon.
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I have a problem with that kind of automated surveillance/limitation. It may save lives, but those lives (including my own if it comes to that) aren't worth our freedom.
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I have a problem with that kind of automated surveillance/limitation. It may save lives, but those lives (including my own if it comes to that) aren't worth our freedom.
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I have no sympathy for those who think a cell phone is so important that they absolutely MUST deal with it while driving. Get real folks, for a long long time there were folks who got along just fine without having a cell phone in the car. If you can't put the gadget down while driving you no longer deserve to drive, period. Texting while driving should carry the same penalty as DUI.
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All that is for moot if they don't make other things illegal too. Eating, putting on make-yup, and such.
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I'm sorry but I believe there is only one answer. Not to ban cell phones, but the second you activate one, answer an incoming call, or send and outgoing call your car engine dies, or tranny locks into neutral and your forced to pull over.
It's certainly possible. There are devices you can wear on your wrist that tells you when the phone's ringing, so there's certainly a way to tell when one is activated (by the change in EM output). They can be sensitive enough to not trigger over anyone else's phones in the car as well.
Brilliant... I can see the pileups now.
Good. Because a teen seeing a pileup in their mind, knowing that as soon as that phone flips open, they're helpless, is much more effective than "Eh, I might get into a wreck, but there's a 5 star crash rating in effect" or "I've done this a million times and nothing's gone wrong yet."
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How many hundreds or thousands of dollars do they spend staging elaborate "crashes" around high schools these days with Police, EMT's, fire trucks, and even helicopters landing to show the consequences of drinking and driving?
How many people from 16-25 do you know that drink and drive?
Forgive my skepticism, but I don't see how airing this is going to accomplish much besides turning the stomachs of those who've lost someone in a crash.
But I guess if it stops even one...
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Those "mock crashes" are a joke. I'm not one who's ever used any sort of substance, but I can tell you that going out into the field to have tarps unveil barely damaged vehicles with a few people with makeup strewn about and a smoke machine kick off isn't an impact at all. Most of us were just waiting for the medevac chopper to land, and even that was called off last year.
I must admit, they had a rather decent slideshow afterward, but nothing that could overcome the "Well, it hasn't happened to me" feeling of the idiots that get sloshed and bombed around here.
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Those "mock crashes" are a joke. I'm not one who's ever used any sort of substance, but I can tell you that going out into the field to have tarps unveil barely damaged vehicles with a few people with makeup strewn about and a smoke machine kick off isn't an impact at all. Most of us were just waiting for the medevac chopper to land, and even that was called off last year.
I must admit, they had a rather decent slideshow afterward, but nothing that could overcome the "Well, it hasn't happened to me" feeling of the idiots that get sloshed and bombed around here.
AROUND HERE(PRNJ) they bring some seriously FUBAR'd cars to the highschools. like the kind that make you wonder if anyone survived the wreck.
sterling highscool puts it right out on the front lawn of the school...usually for about a month.
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Good. Because a teen seeing a pileup in their mind, knowing that as soon as that phone flips open, they're helpless, is much more effective than "Eh, I might get into a wreck, but there's a 5 star crash rating in effect" or "I've done this a million times and nothing's gone wrong yet."
Why not just place a grenade under the driver's seat that goes off if a cell phone is used in the car... Get real. The point is to save lives.
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Lets really save some lives... ban the wheel. :noid
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nj has outlawed cell phone use, unless using hands free device......but they're considering outlawing them too.
they once had billboards along rt 295 with a phone number to call from your cell to report people talking on their cells. and i'm not kidding.
the police i also see on cell phones a LOT
What gets me the most is that when you invite people into your car, each person is ideally one hands free cell phone, so we should outlaw riders in the car while we are at it.
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What gets me the most is that when you invite people into your car, each person is ideally one hands free cell phone, so we should outlaw riders in the car while we are at it.
technically speaking, there is a difference here.
just as in an aircraft, each extra person in your car, is one extra set of eyes.
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That's right! Passengers have saved my bacon several times by alerting me to dangers that I had somehow missed. That said, they have also distracted me a lot.
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Closest I've ever gotten to wrecks were traffic, and not phones.
Worst for me was, I was goin 30, down main street in town, about 2 PM, street's packed, some trailblazer trying to make a left pulls out RIGHT in front of me, and I slam on the breaks, and fishtail around him...
handsomehunk then got clipped by a F-150. Everyone was okay though. The reason was? He didn't look both ways again and again for that left.
My best friend, Joe, has half of his face, metal. Why? Because 1, someone was going 70 in a 45, and 2, he didn't look both ways again and again making a left.
Have yet to find anyone who got in a wreck talking on the phone.
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Closest I've ever gotten to wrecks were traffic, and not phones.
Worst for me was, I was goin 30, down main street in town, about 2 PM, street's packed, some trailblazer trying to make a left pulls out RIGHT in front of me, and I slam on the breaks, and fishtail around him...
handsomehunk then got clipped by a F-150. Everyone was okay though. The reason was? He didn't look both ways again and again for that left.
My best friend, Joe, has half of his face, metal. Why? Because 1, someone was going 70 in a 45, and 2, he didn't look both ways again and again making a left.
Have yet to find anyone who got in a wreck talking on the phone.
the majority of the accidents i see around here are:
1) driver "daydreaming. they're sitting behind the wheel, and sorta pointing the car in a direction, and are looking our the window, but they're not "seeing" what's happening. i call these people passengers in the wrong seat. they're the ones that'll normally rear end ya.
2)teens. mostly girls...and not all girls, but attractive ones. it's like they were cut slack in the driving school, because they're cute. no one really took the time to REALLY teach them to drive. no one took the time to teach the majority of todays teens to REALLY drive......especially not in bad weather.
a customers daughter rear ended a van. wanna guess whaqt the first words out of her mouth to us were? "the anti-lock didn't work!"
3) moms in suv's with a bunch o kids in the back. they're usually fairly distracted, due to the misbehaving kids.
4) people with "gottagetthereittis". while this can be fatal in an airplane, in cars, it usually just creates a really big mess, when that person just can't wait those extra few seconds before turning, or pulling out in front of that tractor trailer doing 50mph(and they seem to think that 80k pounds can stop on a dime.). they also seem to feel the need to "hammer" the throttle from 1/4 mile back to beat that traffic light. there was one like that in front of my shop. the girl(cute blonde) going north, driving her mustang gt hammered it, to run the light. she was doing nearly 50(speed limit 40) when she hit the car going south(another young girl) that had accelerated to get through the light.....she was making a left turn, and was on the brakes when the gt hit her. they landed up in the field about 100 ft from the intersection. the girl was trapped in the mustang till rescue crews got here.
these are the majority of the types of accidents i see around here. while i see people talking on their cells and wandering in lane slightly, i haven't seen one cause an accident yet.
i've nearly been hit by women putting on makeup. i've nearly been hit by drunks. in fact, i followed one particularly bad one, as i called 911.
someone had said that if you can't talk, and drive at the same time, then you should give up the keys. they are right.
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the ability to disable a cell phone when the car is over 10mph is here now. I have no doubt it will mandatory soon.
Rule 14 applies to everything else I have to say about this issue.
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Why not just place a grenade under the driver's seat that goes off if a cell phone is used in the car... Get real. The point is to save lives.
I don't mind that idea. I'm sure it'd make 'em think about it a bit more.
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It's certainly possible. There are devices you can wear on your wrist that tells you when the phone's ringing, so there's certainly a way to tell when one is activated (by the change in EM output). They can be sensitive enough to not trigger over anyone else's phones in the car as well.
Good. Because a teen seeing a pileup in their mind, knowing that as soon as that phone flips open, they're helpless, is much more effective than "Eh, I might get into a wreck, but there's a 5 star crash rating in effect" or "I've done this a million times and nothing's gone wrong yet."
in all honesty, the majority of todays teens will not think that. they'll more likely think " i can get away with it this once".
and then because they never had proper emergency training, they'll crash.
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I don't get what all the fuss is about.
Driving and using a cell phone or texting statistically increases your chance of an accident about as much as drinking alcohol. Moreover, auto-accidents caused by this sort of negligent distraction are an impingement on the rights of other people. Is there anything left to be said? No.
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Moreover, auto-accidents caused by this sort of negligent distraction are an impingement on the rights of other people.
Which rights would that be, specifically?
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there was a nice accident right out front yesterday. i'll upload pics later.
a truck with a 53 ft flatbed, trying to make a right turn. the girl in the turn lane that was in his way(and not on a phone in any way) was just too stupid to back up to give him the room he needed to swing out wide enough.
on the other hand, he was too stupid to stop, and wait till she was out of his way. he didn't appear to be on the phone either.
he took down the traffic light. it went through the windshield of the suv the girl was driving. thankfully no one was hurt.
my point? pure blatant stupidity caused that accident, and nothing else.
i'm not sure, but i don't think we can outlaw stupidity in cars.
not trying to be inflammatory, just sayin........