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Title: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 06, 2009, 09:25:11 AM
The SciF--er, sorry, I mean SyFy--channel is about to take yet another step down:

http://www.tv.com/story/17751.html

Makes me long for the days when all they used to air was awful low-budget ripoffs of horror movies that were just plain awful to begin with.

Maybe they should change their name to *SIGH*Fy.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Getback on September 06, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
I wouldn't mind a chat show about futuristic events and products. Uh the cooking show, nah, I just would hate to see where someones two favorite hobbies are genetics and cooking. Just scares the beejeebers out of me.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: CAP1 on September 06, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
The SciF--er, sorry, I mean SyFy--channel is about to take yet another step down:

http://www.tv.com/story/17751.html

Makes me long for the days when all they used to air was awful low-budget ripoffs of horror movies that were just plain awful to begin with.

Maybe they should change their name to *SIGH*Fy.

they've been showing a LOT of crap lately......it sucks, because they USED to have a lot of really good stuff on/
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 06, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
they've been showing a LOT of crap lately......it sucks, because they USED to have a lot of really good stuff on/

Not since the late-90s. I remember one time seeing Terminator listed on TV Guide Channel. I flipped over, and they were play the @$%&ing FLINTSTONES MOVIE.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Meatwad on September 06, 2009, 11:08:37 AM
Not since the late-90s. I remember one time seeing Terminator listed on TV Guide Channel. I flipped over, and they were play the @$%&ing FLINTSTONES MOVIE.

Flintstones are a futuristic science fiction story, ya know. Otherwise it wouldnt be on scifi channel  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: CAP1 on September 06, 2009, 11:18:43 AM
Not since the late-90s. I remember one time seeing Terminator listed on TV Guide Channel. I flipped over, and they were play the @$%&ing FLINTSTONES MOVIE.

they were runing dr who for a bit, battlestar galacta, different versions of star trek, i think they even had some of the episodes of torchwood, although i'm not sure about that one.......

 now i turn it on, they have frakkin ghost hunters, or some other bullcrap that has nothign to do with scifi.


 but then again,,,,when i turn on hbo or showtime, and see frakkin BOXING???? or they play SPANISH movies on the regular hbo's???? when there's hbo's dedicated to spanish speaking audiences?

 even discovery wings a few years ago, became the propa.....eerr.....military channel. sometimes they show some good stuff.

 lately, the majority of my tv has been bbc america, and the comedy channel. besides them, i'm either passed out, or outside.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Meatwad on September 06, 2009, 11:30:49 AM
Believe BBC america is showing a monty python marathon either today or labor day
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Motherland on September 06, 2009, 11:31:26 AM
Believe BBC america is showing a monty python marathon either today or labor day
TY for that info kind sir

EDIT
Liar I checked my guide through Wednesday and there's not a single slot :furious (plenty of Top Gear though :aok )
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Meatwad on September 06, 2009, 11:37:34 AM
That sucks. Let me check mine. Seen it advertised not too long ago


Not showing up for me either. WTH? I did see a MPFC reunion in october, maybe thats what I seen. Might have a marathon that day. Might be on IFC channel

Edit again, here is a copy from IFC webpage

This fall, we're going to bring the legendary British comedy troupe back in front of the camera one last time in an original documentary series that will retell the entire Python phenomenon start to finish. "Monty Python: Almost the Truth (The Lawyer's Cut)" will air exclusively on IFC here in the U.S. October 18-23, 2009. We'll be putting additional cutting room floor footage and teasers on demand on IFC Free and online here at IFC.com prior to the series premiere. Eagle Rock Entertainment will release the documentary series worldwide on DVD.

The Monty Python troupe includes (as if you didn't know) John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones, Michael Palin and Graham Chapman. Our six-part series will feature interviews with the surviving Python members, along with archive representation for the late, great Chapman. The Pythons will tell their life story and reveal deeper truths alongside the more tried and tested Python history lessons.

"This is the documentary I always hoped that would be made -- something so complete and so faithful to the truth that I don't need to watch it," said Terry Jones.

This series will study the Pythons up close and in some cases against their contemporaries: rock stars, comedians, actors, politicians, writers, broadcasters, religious groups, Python-haters and potential axe murderers. Every opinion on Monty Python will be brought to life on-screen for the first time with never-before-seen material. Dozens of featured guest interviews will include Jimmy Fallon, Lorne Michaels, Hugh Hefner, Eddie Izzard, Olivia Harrison, Steven Merchant, Dan Aykroyd, Tim Roth, Seth Green, among many others.

"Monty Python: Almost the Truth (The Lawyer's Cut)" will be told in six hour-long episode, a new one airing each night during IFC's Python Week, when we'll also be airing Python feature films including "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," "Monty Python's Life of Brian" and "Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl."

Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Die Hard on September 06, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
This starts up October 2nd on SyFy:


http://stargate.mgm.com/view/series/3/index.html


Can't wait!
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Tac on September 06, 2009, 01:33:08 PM
good god that will be the death bell of the stargate series.

even the trailer is dripping with cheese and tears.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Die Hard on September 06, 2009, 01:35:59 PM
I hope not.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 06, 2009, 02:15:52 PM
I'll take

(http://images.themoviedb.org/backdrops/23621/backdrop_poster.jpg)

over

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10039109A~Richard-Dean-Anderson-Posters.jpg)

any day of the week. I keep hoping they make the two planned sequel movies that are going to completely disregard the SG-1 continuity--which the original writer Dean Devlin was kept out of by MGM when they seized control of the rights--and tell the story how he INTENDED to make it.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Patches1 on September 06, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
It seems this Channel needs a very healthy supply of...Red Dwarf...an AWESOME BBC series!
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: caldera on September 06, 2009, 02:31:37 PM
They should have StarBlazers or Buck Rodgers, or how about Space 1999?  Right now, it sucks as bad as The History Channel. :(
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: DMBEAR on September 06, 2009, 02:49:38 PM
It seems this Channel needs a very healthy supply of...Red Dwarf...an AWESOME BBC series!

MEOW. lol

I knew a Cougar that liked that show.  I tolerated it at first for the nookie.  Then it actually grew on me.

That cat was hilarious.  :aok
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Meatwad on September 06, 2009, 06:31:12 PM
Starblazers and red dwarf............Now those are shows I miss dearly.  :cry


The very last series of red dwarf was a big letdown though. Didnt seem as funny as the ones before. Last episode left me hanging and I never did know what happened next after the meet with the grim reaper.

Come to think of it, I never liked the ones that was "remastered". The good ol fashioned stuff before it was replaced with CGI was most excellent in my book.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: DMBEAR on September 06, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Smegging beginning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyKF2qd0-iQ
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: CAP1 on September 06, 2009, 07:19:32 PM
the lex.

farscape.

space giants

ultraman

voyage to the bottom of the sea

above and beyond

bsg

the list could go on......
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Meatwad on September 06, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
Smegging beginning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyKF2qd0-iQ


I have the novel in my collection. Thought I have the 2nd novel around here too. Great reading :)
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Shuffler on September 06, 2009, 09:15:51 PM
<<< has the complete MPFC DVD collection
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: moot on September 06, 2009, 11:14:48 PM
Sigh-fi :rofl
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: soda72 on September 07, 2009, 08:08:30 AM
I'll take

(http://images.themoviedb.org/backdrops/23621/backdrop_poster.jpg)

over

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10039109A~Richard-Dean-Anderson-Posters.jpg)

any day of the week. I keep hoping they make the two planned sequel movies that are going to completely disregard the SG-1 continuity--which the original writer Dean Devlin was kept out of by MGM when they seized control of the rights--and tell the story how he INTENDED to make it.


What direction did Dean Devlin want to take with it, that's different from SG-1?
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 07, 2009, 10:00:06 AM
There's not much out there.

All that I know of it is that the second film would have been set 12 years later and dealt directly with earth mythologies other than Egyptian, while the third movie would have in some way tied ALL earth mythologies together (which seeing as there ARE a large number of similarities and overlaps between various ancient and current religious mythology, I find the concept very interesting).
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: caldera on September 07, 2009, 11:26:55 AM
the lex.

farscape.

space giants

ultraman

voyage to the bottom of the sea

above and beyond

bsg

the list could go on......



Good list.  I was watching Johnny Sokko and His Flyng Robot on Fancast a few months ago.  Freakin' hilarious!

Scary that I actually remember the episode.  Haven't seen it in over 30 years.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: CAP1 on September 07, 2009, 11:34:09 AM


Good list.  I was watching Johnny Sokko and His Flyng Robot on Fancast a few months ago.  Freakin' hilarious!

Scary that I actually remember the episode.  Haven't seen it in over 30 years.
dam!
 i forgot about him!!   :D
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Die Hard on September 07, 2009, 07:16:12 PM
Defying Gravity on ABC is pretty good.

Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: 4deck on September 07, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
Starblazers and ....Now those are shows I miss dearly.  :cry


Holy crow are you talking about starblazers the cartoon (Japanese Animation)

Thats a blast from the past. If its the same I watched that like 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: moot on September 08, 2009, 02:57:53 AM
Don't mean to start yet another argument here.  But Defying Gravity is a soap excuse for sci fi flavor.  Almost everything is wrong and the real sci fi in it is Beta the deus ex device.  Terrible opportunity to sensibilize the general public to space life.  The "astronauts" are airheads nothing like astronauts, the physics are all wrong (communication time delay?), the plot is typical bad soap quality, and the actors are mediocre.  It's a soap that just happened to be made in space scenery.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Die Hard on September 08, 2009, 05:52:30 AM
Yep, and it's pretty good. If you don't like unisex-soap (west wing, Boston Legal, Farscape etc.) then you won't like Defying Gravity either.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: moot on September 08, 2009, 06:19:10 AM
I don't like soap period and this one is mediocre even by soap standards.  The characters are stupid and so is the storyline.  This aint a dig at your taste, it's a dig at the terrible quality of the show.  Not just campy but stupid.. And wasted opportunity to get people interested in space.  The moral voice overs are mind numbing truisms. 
Lexx could qualify as soap... So could House MD.. But at least they had some real quality moments to the core of the show.  DG is soap first, soap second, scifi third.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Die Hard on September 08, 2009, 07:09:07 AM
Well, if you don't like soap period, then pardon me for not giving your opinion on the quality of a space-soap much weight.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: moot on September 08, 2009, 07:18:47 AM
Well, Im saying there's lots of shows that aren't supposed to be soaps but still give into soap stuff e.g. as filler.  Defying gravity isn't a space anything.. Space is just the window dressing.  The characters aren't astronauts and aren't really in space.  And there's some quality soaps, but DG isn't.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Die Hard on September 08, 2009, 07:21:03 AM
It's a soap opera set in a near-future space setting. You don't like soap, don't watch it.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 08, 2009, 07:34:25 AM
DH you've got wax in your ears. moot isn't saying he doesn't like soaps. He's saying that there ARE quality soaps, and that Defying Gravity is NOT a good soap.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Die Hard on September 08, 2009, 07:46:03 AM
DH you've got wax in your ears. moot isn't saying he doesn't like soaps.

Your's must be bleeding.


I don't like soap period ...

Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: moot on September 08, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
I don't like soap when it's filler.. Or when it's the days of our lives variety..  I can stand the guilty pleasure of watching House MD (although I think it's a loss for itself when it fails to keep a story alive and just wallows in soapy stagnation or nonsensical PC - e.g. House going soft was 50% well done), or campy crappy Lexx or Good VS Evil.. But that's because the characters are interesting, and the themes/environment/plots are interesting.  Instead DG has very little of each.  The Sci Fi setting is bogus, the characters are not believable astronauts and basically grown adults playing airhead teenagers, and the story itself is swiss cheese.  What DG looks like is a team of beginner writers who didn't do their homework on the SF background and settings, and are underfunded for production.

Someone else elsewhere said that there was no way to make realistic sci fi interesting.  That's just not true...  An even more soapy series is "Planetes".  The writing, cool sci-fi themes (I mean what's the point of doing sci-fi if the only SF that actually happens is some God entity like Beta?), and realism all are excellent without being tedious.  So .. I don't like soaps but I don't have trouble seeing quality soap.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Shuffler on September 08, 2009, 09:32:17 AM
I'll take

(http://images.themoviedb.org/backdrops/23621/backdrop_poster.jpg)

over

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10039109A~Richard-Dean-Anderson-Posters.jpg)

any day of the week. I keep hoping they make the two planned sequel movies that are going to completely disregard the SG-1 continuity--which the original writer Dean Devlin was kept out of by MGM when they seized control of the rights--and tell the story how he INTENDED to make it.



(http://images.themoviedb.org/backdrops/23621/backdrop_poster.jpg)

Was on AMC Monday
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 08, 2009, 10:05:23 AM
You mean AMC actually played a REAL classic movie? Where'd they find it in their schedule amongst their Catwoman marathons?
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Shuffler on September 08, 2009, 10:20:05 AM
You mean their stupid shows like mad men or others like that?  lol Because of that type crud I watch much less of AMC.

Another ignorant thing all the channels do now is a 1/4 screen advertisement during a movie. Face it... if someone does not know what channel they are on they'd be working for the TV station. I watch more of my personal video collection now so I don't have to see that type crap.

Oh and all the stupid folks they find for reality shows... TV including cable has gone down the tubes.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Reschke on September 08, 2009, 03:25:11 PM
This starts up October 2nd on SyFy:
http://stargate.mgm.com/view/series/3/index.html
Can't wait!

I will watch it just because it will be NEW BUT it looks like what I now term that abortion of a show called Star Trek: Voyager...it even has the same story line from the trailer about the base/ship getting punted to the other side of the universe when they were under attack.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Dragon on September 08, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
I will watch it just because it will be NEW BUT it looks like what I now term that abortion of a show called Star Trek: Voyager...it even has the same story line from the trailer about the base/ship getting punted to the other side of the universe when they were under attack.


+1


If it wasn't for 7 of 9, Voyager wouldn't have made it very far with me, but.......
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 08, 2009, 04:20:11 PM
Voyager lost me long before 7 of 9 showed up.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: OOZ662 on September 08, 2009, 04:52:52 PM
And yet, no mention of Firefly. :noid IIRC, SciFi (screw you, y's) is the only station still airing it.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: caldera on September 08, 2009, 06:01:23 PM
Holy crow are you talking about starblazers the cartoon (Japanese Animation)

Thats a blast from the past. If its the same I watched that like 30 years ago.

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/l_0b0ce3c661b84149b3c1c2de25aa3dc5.jpg)
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: soda72 on September 08, 2009, 06:44:04 PM
I will watch it just because it will be NEW BUT it looks like what I now term that abortion of a show called Star Trek: Voyager...it even has the same story line from the trailer about the base/ship getting punted to the other side of the universe when they were under attack.

They had a five minute flick that showed how they would end up stranded, I didn't see any base/ship, but maybe that's where they dialed to.

The acting seemed decent, and the CGI effects looked good. I'll watch the first few episodes and see how it goes from there..

[edit]

here's the pilot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxLT_MWAq-I


Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: FiLtH on September 08, 2009, 09:23:26 PM
  With shows like "Man-squito" and "Malibu SharK Attack" its a wonder they are still on. Id rather see them run old 50s sci-fis like "THEM!".  And like caldera said, the History Channel sux too. "Next the history of the B29(shows cool shots of B29s in action) December 7th 1941..blah blah blah" for 55 minutes. Finishes with a few minutes of the B29.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Reschke on September 08, 2009, 10:41:38 PM
I think it will be a decent start based on that 5 minute video and the trailer I watched earlier today. I will give it a fair shake but I still think it is the same old thing as Voyager based on the trailer I watched.
Title: Re: Spiraling Down the Tubes
Post by: Saxman on September 08, 2009, 11:06:35 PM
I always thought that Voyager should have taken the same approach that FarScape did as far as its execution. They had a vaguely similar premise (explorers being slingshot into a distant part of the galaxy far away from home) but Voyager never had a real sense of danger. FarScape very early on made it clear that Crichton is living in a very dangerous place, and that "Character Shields" didn't really exist (not even main characters like D'Argo, Crais and Zhaan made it through unscathed. Hell, even Crichton and Aeryn died a couple times over the course of the series). It also very quickly got into an arc that helped drive the series, (Wormhole Weapons, tracing its origin to I think episode 8) because while the original premise of Crichton trying to make it home made for a good overall plot, it just wasn't enough on its own to keep the intensity up.

This is why the first halves of seasons 1 and 4 were the weakest. In season 1 it took time to find its footing until they brought in the Ancients and, later, Scorpius, while Season 4 LOST its footing when SciFi meddled with the story (it was their orders to reintroduce the crew a couple at a time). Seasons 2 and 3 were by far the most consistent, because while they weren't without their standalone episodes (Crackers Don't Matter is STILL one of the best episodes of ANY television program I've ever seen) they also focused more heavily and consistently on the Wormhole Weapons plot, which kept the series moving.

Voyager never seemed to REALLY develop that more immediate storyline that FarScape did, at least not until FAR too late for them to do any good with it. The open-endedness of their "We have to get home!" plot worked perfectly for TNG (very loosely arced by the Q episodes) but the formula just couldn't work for Voyager in the same way. This is WITHOUT the handicap of the casting and just the presence of Berman and Braga.