Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: nub001 on September 10, 2009, 06:59:16 PM
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i think its time we get a new round to the game. the APDS (Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot )round for the firefly for INCREASED penetration look at difference between the ap and apds rounds
at 2000 m the ap round can penetrate 79mm armor at 30 degrees the apds can pierce 151mm 30 degree armor at 2000 m difference? yes look its harder to kill tigers and t34s at longer ranges people love to long range in fireflys and they deserve apds rounds to penetrate alot more armor this round was produced in 1941 for the 6 pounder and 17 pounder guns any ways heres more penetration data for ap and apds rounds the ap round pierces: 161mm armor at 100m 138mm at 500 115mm at 1000m 95mm at 1500m 79mm at 2000m heres the apds data:
221mm at 100m 204mm at 500m 185mm at 1000m 167mm at 1500m 151mm at 2000m and these were recorded on 30 degree angle armor if u need help understanding please ask so i can tell u in a better understanding way and also the velocity of the round is 1284 m/s and the weight is 3.71kg
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On paper the APDS could counter almost and German tank at any likely range but the performance in real life situations was rather different than on paper. Early APDS productions rounds had accuracy issues and being a sub-calibre shot, actual penetrating shot was approximately 50 mm wide. This resulted in reduced destructive power after it penetrated enemy tank armor compared to the 76.2 mm APCBC shell. In addition, APDS rounds were rare with very little being available for combat use until late 1944.
ack-ack
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On paper the APDS could counter almost and German tank at any likely range but the performance in real life situations was rather different than on paper. Early APDS productions rounds had accuracy issues and being a sub-calibre shot, actual penetrating shot was approximately 50 mm wide. This resulted in reduced destructive power after it penetrated enemy tank armor compared to the 76.2 mm APCBC shell. In addition, APDS rounds were rare with very little being available for combat use until late 1944.
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how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie
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how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie
Neither were you, kid.
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how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie
Because I am far more intelligent than you are and able to conduct research, something that you apparently find difficult to do. Second, if you are prepared to suggest something then you should also be prepared for counter-arguments and then be able to counter those arguments without resorting to what basically amounts to a 5 year old temper tantrum.
Now, back to your orginal argument for adding the APDS round and why it should not be added to the game.
First off, like I mentioned in my earlier post, it was a rare ammo type used. The first demonstration of the round when US and British watched a live fire demonstration in August of 1944 (Isigny trials) against captured Panther tanks. Early batches were considered sub-standard and their performance was better on paper than real life and compared to the APCBC round, the APDS was very inaccurate, especially at long ranges.
The APDS became available for combat use in September of 1944 in small quantities and the majority of the APDS rounds went to Royal Artillery Anti-Tank Regiments. Reports also showed that tank crews that were supplied with the APDS (if a tank carried them, it was no more than 5 to 10 rounds) often wasted them on targets that the APCBC round would have destroyed in a single round. Against the Panther frontal armor, the APDS effectiveness was minimul due to the sloped armor of the Panther, which was confirmed at the trials at Isigny in August of 1944.
Basically, the APDS would not bring anything new to the game nor make it any more effective than the current AP round that are used by the Firefly in this game.
School is dismissed.
ack-ack
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Bravo Mr. Ack Ack, dood.
wrongway
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It's going to be fun having nub001 around on the board! :rofl
Next he'll be asking for the P-80 shooting star because "i say teh shotin star wuz usd alot in wwii so we liek ned it it wuz usd frum 1939 to 1956 by the us n cud go 800mph thats mach 3 or sumtin i no all this cuz i just mad it up!!!111eleventyone"
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Stealth? Is that you Stealth?
:noid
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Getting warmer.
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how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie
This may be my favorite "You pooh-poohed my idea!" rant ever.
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how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds
and U wer? gawd.
:)
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #6
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"The [keyboard] is mightier than the sword."
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well i guess ur annoying look u sound like a anti christ
This is the Anti-Christ
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I'm just one of his devoted minions.
ack-ack
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I think it's safe to say...
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well i guess ur annoying look u sound like a anti christ
You are hating on Ack-Ack even though he came up with actual data on your wish?
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Look, dude, I don't know you so I don't know why you're being a smart ass. I don't particularly care for airplanes that much, so I could care less as to what we get. If I ever want one, my wish will be for a Ju-87G. I swear, before you type noodles, think about on how weak your life is in real life and that goes for all that have arguments over the internet.
Hey now, he was only postulating as to what may happen, as there is very little data about your behavior on these boards. Think of it as an internet credit score; you don't pay up well, your score goes down.
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I don't think nub gets it.
Nub, Ack-Ack is a respected senior member of our community, and time and again he has come up with accurate and useful data on a wide variety of subjects. It would be wise not to argue with him without at least as much evidence as he has presented previously.
It also appears that your age is playing against you. Name calling serves to do naught but make the name-caller appear to be an imbecile. Using proper spelling and grammar couldn't hurt, either.
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Best thread in a long time. I hope this kid sticks around a while!
I can't wait for the stealth vs. nub001 argument. :x
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nub001's biography
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how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie
Please Cite your sources for us please. If its a book please, title, author, year, publication date.
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[quote author=nub001
I swear dude your always full of bs dueling arena ain't updated to make em bounce off same with driving into tanks and killing em from inside no one gvs in DA that's why they don't update it now stop bsing u no that 50 cals wont do crap to panzer unless it hits treads. Before you post or talk bout something make sure you can do it in the MAIN ARENAS DUR NOT DA OR OFFLINE MA.And dont rob post go brag bout it some where other than the wishlist. Now any ways m18 needs to come to this game for anti - spawn campers. also squeakers are annoying
dude they would kill you first so stop bsing no 1 likes some 1 shooting at them u would always die quite frankly i think u brag to feel important.ur propaganda aint working dude no 1 believes or listens to ur bs and u no for a fact im not one u run a squeaky squad which is very unorganized very squeaky cant follow orders correctly w/o 50 mistakes per sortie. now any ways NO MORE HIJACKING THIS TOPIC RULER Make ur own to bs in not mine.
[/quote] well I'm STILL killin tanks with my .50 cals nub. If you know so much about gving,why do you need a more powerful round?
p.s. you're right,squeakers ARE annoying
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Oh god, this is hilarious! :rofl Someone tried to argue with Ack, only i cans do thats. :lol
I'm sorry, but i can't even sit in my chair without laughing my bellybutton off it.
Oh, oh! I call dibs on arguing with the small child! :D