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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Baumer on September 17, 2009, 10:09:06 PM
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HTC, first I'd like to thank you for an excellent update to the PT boat, it really looks great.
The fact you've got the IFF, BN and UHF antennas shows your great attention to detail, and that brings me to my wish.
I'd like to use the smoke generator you have on the starboard-quarter! I think it wold be great to create a smoke screen to help hide other PT's or LVT's during an attack.
And it was used operationally in several theaters, the only piece of info I haven't found yet is how long the generator would run for. Any ideas?
Here's a photo of a PT laying down a smoke screen in Salerno Harbor during the invasion of Italy.
(http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/CloseQuarters/img/PT-p294.jpg)
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/CloseQuarters/PT-6.html (http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/CloseQuarters/PT-6.html)
<S> and thanks for ANOTHER great update!
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That would be awesome!
+1
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why not? +1
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+1 :aok
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that would be awesome, cv's are getting so easy to kill now that a smoke screen would be cool .
semp
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I'll agree if a more "economical" smoke is brought about too. :)
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+1
The only problem with this idea that I can see is the mass PT spawn after a carrier dies.. Image the FR killer if they all decided to deploy a smoke screen? Lame.
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I like the idea :aok Even better if we could have a nice sea breeze to go with it, so the noobs just don't put up clouds of the stuff. This way people would have to position them selves correctly before deploying smoke.
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+1, would be such a great tool to have for CV/LVT defence.
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Absolutely!
Smoke was one of the PT's most effective weapons, used for hiding destroyer screen, maneuvers, etc.
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Yes for smoke screens. It Would also be nice to use the pt boats spot light when we get night time back into the game
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+1 this would be awesome :rock
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A big +1
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We have & had plans for it and did some testing. But simple smoke was not very useful and we need to write a new type of smoke for the pt boat.
Also notice the smoke canister is on the pt boat.
HiTech
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Thanks for the feedback Hitech, seeing the smoke generator on the new model is what got me started thinking about it in the first place.
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Sounds cool. :aok
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IIRC - there was a timing valve for smoke release - I think in 3, 6, and 8 second durations.
I could be wrong, but I think that's how it worked.
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IIRC - there was a timing valve for smoke release - I think in 3, 6, and 8 second durations.
I could be wrong, but I think that's how it worked.
Whoa Aunt Jemima lover! Back to your desk! :cool:
Jokes aside, Thank you HTC for "detailing" all craft the best you can, as often as you can. It's the little things most take for granted, within this game.
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Thanks Waffle, I've been doing a bit of digging and I found an on-line version of the Motor Torpedo Manual here;
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/PT-Manual/index.html (http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/PT-Manual/index.html)
And it states for the Mk-2 Generator-
"21. As the atomized FS smoke mixture leaves the nozzle of the generator, it combines with the moisture of the air to form finely divided fog particles. The heat developed by this chemical reaction causes the smoke screen to rise. Normally the screen will rise from 200 to 300 feet, forming a solid screen from the water to this height. One tank of smoke mixture may be expected to give a screen about 3,000 yards long. A number of shorter screens may be obtained, the number depending on the length of the shorter screens."
But I think the new PT Boat has the later Elco generator-
"The FM or "Elco" smoke generator consists of a steel bottle of the type in which commercial gases are contained. It has a single threaded opening at one end, which is controlled by a valve. This valve is part of the bottle assembly, and the wrench that opens it is furnished with the original bottle (or generator) of smoke. This wrench has a hinged handle so that a steel protective cap may be screwed onto the bottle over the valve assembly with the wrench attached when the generator is not in use.
To spray the smoke liquid from the generator, a smoke pipe is furnished. This pipe is about two feet long and is bent slightly. On the lower end it carries a fitting to connect the pipe to the nipple on the generator valve assembly. A hinged wrench for this fitting is clipped to the smoke pipe. At the upper end the pipe is threaded to receive a single nozzle.
Four nozzles are provided, and are quickly interchangeable. They are marked for 3 min., 5 min., 8 min., or 12 min.; the time the smoke will last in a continuous screen, using the respective nozzle. The 8 min. nozzle is for use under average condition and the 12 min., nozzle is for night use. If the weather is very windy either a 3 or 5 min. nozzle would produce a better screen."
And this doesn't sound like much fun,
"The liquid that produces the smoke is titanium tetrachloride, which, when sprayed into the air, combines with the moisture in the air to form hydro-chloride acid and titanium hydroxide, thus forming smoke. The liquid is very corrosive on steel or flesh. Burns from FM are to be treated in the same way as FS burns."
OUCH! That's one mean smoke screen!
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so does it mean that a hand (glove required for safety) is needed to turn the valve and yet we cant have the option to raise a hand to hide the sunglare?
semp
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OMG, I can see it now. Moving fogbanks with everyone in range strafing the begining of it. But serisouly, this would be a good idea. I would love it.
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Would be nice to be able to have mufflers on the PT Boats as well.
ack-ack
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I am worried about the environmental impact the smoke could have. You guys want to intentionaly pump smoke into the air we breath, NUTTS>
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lol ranger. You actually CARE about the sheep in the farms that get in the way of a target? I say nutts to that :D.
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lol ranger. You actually CARE about the sheep in the farms that get in the way of a target? I say nutts to that :D.
There are no more sheep. AH is keeping the sheep for themselves :cry :cry.
semp
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CURSE YOUR SELFISHNES HTC!!!!!!! YOU CAN DENY US THE B-29, BUT WHEN YOU STEAL OUR SHEEP YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!!!!.... :D
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Can we get back on topic here, boys?
Smoke + PT boats = Excellent. I would love to see it in the game.
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great read opn the pt action in the med.
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We have & had plans for it and did some testing. But simple smoke was not very useful and we need to write a new type of smoke for the pt boat.
Also notice the smoke canister is on the pt boat.
HiTech
Just please don't do it so it makes a lot of lag. Thats my only issue is if the smoke makes to much lag I'd rather not have it at all.
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Could it be useful for when B17s or B24s are coming to bomb the CV and put the smoke out and make it tough for them to see it?
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Question:
What good does smoke do now besides marking, or obscuring targets depending, and the various other uses players have come up with? What did HTC put it in for?
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+1
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Question:
What did HTC put it in for?
Because he can & wanted to do so maybe?
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:aok
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Question:
What good does smoke do now besides marking, or obscuring targets depending, and the various other uses players have come up with? What did HTC put it in for?
only purpose for smoke is to obscure targets, I can easy sink a cv from 5.5k I(I never go higher than that) altitude turning or not about 95%. a little smoke would make it a little more challenging. same for the shore battery, it will be harder to hi the cv. and what about once the cv is sunk its too easy to sink all the bunch of pt boats that suddenly appear. imagine 5 or 6 pt boats poping smoke. now that would be a challenge :).
semp
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Thanks crasher. I was just wondering if smoke reduced icon range, or made it a neutral icon, or some crap like that. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Smoke that's thick enough will obscure an icon, too. Just like how clouds work, though you don't see many of those in the MAs any more either.
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And I think thats a shame.
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Smoke that's thick enough will obscure an icon, too. Just like how clouds work, though you don't see many of those in the MAs any more either.
No joking about the clouds, once last year i think, I kept looking for the cv in my b24's, damn clouds were at 3 or 4k so I could see nothing, I knew i was close because of the puffy ack, but I never did see the cv. I ended up running out of gas. pt boat smoke would be a great ides :)
semp
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Fully loaded F4U
taking off from a CV
engulfed in smoke
while it's turning. :x
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Fully loaded F4U
taking off from a CV
engulfed in smoke
while it's turning. :x
Were all going to die.
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On the point of the fact that the smoke contains hydrochloric acid (the very same chemical that is found in your stomach) I think that it should inflcit a pilot wound if you are in it for more than thrre seconds, and sxi seconds would be lethal.
-Penguin
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On the point of the fact that the smoke contains hydrochloric acid (the very same chemical that is found in your stomach) I think that it should inflcit a pilot wound if you are in it for more than thrre seconds, and sxi seconds would be lethal.
(http://api.ning.com/files/KhWU3LUWFaC4Nc8OH7aRmXuYtPBfoQXn5gKOhgOanM1FVjurXDAogKIPHvhnSoVRfnXIEv3IgdFH9Le1vRmy8OJZ5xVYTTm3/boxxy_trollin.jpg)
On a serious note, I don't think it would be in a high enough concentration to melt you...though it couldn't be comfortable.
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About as fun as getting something like citrus acid in your eye I'd imagine.
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Like having a billowing cloud of Tang floating around? :D
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Like having a billowing cloud of Tang floating around? :D
and who doesnt like tang, early in the morning, late at night and sometimes for lunch :x :x :x
semp
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Baum,
great idea,tried it out lastnite,fired some smoke shells at a nearby enemy CV to see the effect!
wasnt quite as good of a smoke screen as the PT's would lay down but it was interesting. :rofl :rofl
:salute
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Like having a billowing cloud of Tang floating around? :D
God I hate that crap. Besides THAT is what would cause a giant gaping hole in the servers, not the B-29. It was disolved by a giant orange cloud that tastes horrible.
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(http://api.ning.com/files/KhWU3LUWFaC4Nc8OH7aRmXuYtPBfoQXn5gKOhgOanM1FVjurXDAogKIPHvhnSoVRfnXIEv3IgdFH9Le1vRmy8OJZ5xVYTTm3/boxxy_trollin.jpg)
On a serious note, I don't think it would be in a high enough concentration to melt you...though it couldn't be comfortable.
I was talking about the fact that you would breathe it in, and it would burn your eyes, your lungs, nasal passages, trachea, and lungs like a red hot toaster. It would make it almost impossible to breathe. Thus wounding and possibly killing the victim of the gas.
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like nerve agents but worse :bolt:....