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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ZetaNine on September 18, 2009, 07:28:01 PM
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it may..as some here say....be more "realistic" and less of a one sided threat......but at what cost?
I'm quite sure a lot of noobs .... including myself....had more fun in a wirb than in anything else during their 2 week free look......it was certainly one of the only things I was able to register kills in.... thusly.......I tend to think this new "fix" will do a lot more harm than good......when it comes to turning the curious two week free look people........... into paying customers.
(http://llinlithgow.com/bizzX/EconCharts/EconH209/DGOrdJul09.jpg)
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it may..as some here say....be more "realistic" and less of a one sided threat......but at what cost?
I'm quite sure a lot of noobs .... including myself....had more fun in a wirb than in anything else during their 2 week free look......it was certainly one of the only things I was able to register kills in.... thusly.......I tend to think this new "fix" will do a lot more harm than good......when it comes to turning the curious two week free look people........... into paying customers.
LOL! See what I mean about the humor factor of your whines about the changes to the flak panzie?
You don't like the changes because you no longer will be able to score easy kills and you might have to actually work for them using some tactics and a little bit of team work.
You think this change is bad for game play? Reality is that your type of game mentality is what is bad for game play, not the changes to the flak panzie's turret rotation speed.
ack-ack
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AKAK, you don't know how hard it was for me to refrain from saying the same thing...
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A graph with nothing to do with anything................... LOL.
Not to mention the fact that "new" 2-weeker's won't ever have known what they were missing and thus...... It is no factor.
Not to mention the Wirble, as cute for bad pilots as it may be, is still a gv and people searching and finding this game........ Are looking to fly.
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:rofl
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it may..as some here say....be more "realistic" and less of a one sided threat......but at what cost?
I'm quite sure a lot of noobs .... including myself....had more fun in a wirb than in anything else during their 2 week free look......it was certainly one of the only things I was able to register kills in.... thusly.......I tend to think this new "fix" will do a lot more harm than good......when it comes to turning the curious two week free look people........... into paying customers.
(http://llinlithgow.com/bizzX/EconCharts/EconH209/DGOrdJul09.jpg)
Aces High..... Appeals to folks who want to fly WWII cartoon aircraft. Most will not see a wirb or know what it is for quite some time.
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it may..as some here say....be more "realistic" and less of a one sided threat......but at what cost?
I'm quite sure a lot of noobs .... including myself....had more fun in a wirb than in anything else during their 2 week free look......it was certainly one of the only things I was able to register kills in.... thusly.......I tend to think this new "fix" will do a lot more harm than good......when it comes to turning the curious two week free look people........... into paying customers.
(http://llinlithgow.com/bizzX/EconCharts/EconH209/DGOrdJul09.jpg)
Remember your posting with Hind Sight... New Customers will have no idea the wirble had a faster turret.... which pretty much negates your idea here.
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your thinking is flawed.
do you work for the govt? or is it just that I understand business and marketing so much better than you?
I'm constantly seeing things sailing over your noggin on this board.
re-group.
re-read.
re-try.
LOL! See what I mean about the humor factor of your whines about the changes to the flak panzie?
You don't like the changes because you no longer will be able to score easy kills and you might have to actually work for them using some tactics and a little bit of team work.
You think this change is bad for game play? Reality is that your type of game mentality is what is bad for game play, not the changes to the flak panzie's turret rotation speed.
ack-ack
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indeed.......point taken.....
Remember your posting with Hind Sight... New Customers will have no idea the wirble had a faster turret.... which pretty much negates your idea here.
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your thinking is flawed.
do you work for the govt? or is it just that I understand business and marketing so much better than you?
If you actually believe that changing the turret rotation speed on the flak panzie is going to turn away new customers and not subscribe after the free trial, its not me that doesn't have a grasp on things.
ack-ack
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And then there is the fact that its the same for everyone. The turret spins the same for everyone.
The last few months will do nothing but bring new people in. The game looks great, plays great, and is just getting better and better. Its just plain silly to say the new WW turret speeds will "turn away customers".
I was in a WW last night. Working the gun the way it should be worked shows very little was changed. Its still a great flak gun.
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it may..as some here say....be more "realistic" and less of a one sided threat......but at what cost?
I'm quite sure a lot of noobs .... including myself....had more fun in a wirb than in anything else during their 2 week free look......it was certainly one of the only things I was able to register kills in.... thusly.......I tend to think this new "fix" will do a lot more harm than good......when it comes to turning the curious two week free look people........... into paying customers.
(http://llinlithgow.com/bizzX/EconCharts/EconH209/DGOrdJul09.jpg)
i ask you this with all due respect, and no disrespect is intended whatsoever.........
you say it was the only thing you could register kills in?
to most, the wirbel took nothing more than point and click, although i couldn't hit anything in it, unless i got lucky.
but to my question? did you try to learn other vehicles, or aircraft? a LOT of us went for a mighty long time with no kills, trying to learn.
heck.....i was happy to just last more than 30 seconds in a fight for the longest time.
as for paying customers, i don't think making the wirbel more accurate will hurt them much, if at all.
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your thinking is flawed.
do you work for the govt? or is it just that I understand business and marketing so much better than you?
I'm constantly seeing things sailing over your noggin on this board.
re-group.
re-read.
re-try.
so......are you saying you could run aces high better than htc does?
perhaps you should make them an offer then? :rolleyes:
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(http://llinlithgow.com/bizzX/EconCharts/EconH209/DGOrdJul09.jpg)
random graph with no explanation :huh
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:rofl
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I want a random pie chart like USA today!
Please use lots of pretty colors.
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Tried the wirby last night and had five kills before I was killed. The key is keep it moving and turn wirby and turrent at the same time. She's still a beast! Oh and that sortie was worth 37 perkies!! :rock
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I want a random pie chart like USA today!
Please use lots of pretty colors.
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I want a random pie chart like USA today!
Please use lots of pretty colors.
(http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/piechart.jpg)
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:lol
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wow
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So we should dumb down the game so you can get easier kills for more people to join then they jump into a not so dumbed down vehicle or plane and get really frustrated and quit. If chewbacca lives on endor it does not make sense like this post, it just does not make sense!
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If you actually believe that changing the turret rotation speed on the flak panzie is going to turn away new customers and not subscribe after the free trial, its not me that doesn't have a grasp on things.
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yeah babe .... that is exactly what I am saying...with the only caveat being "POTENTIAL" new customers being turned away...not new customers..as you put it. I'm sure they can track the ratio of free looks/new customers over he next six months...and I'm also sure that ratio won't look as good.
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So we should dumb down the game so you can get easier kills !
link please? I don't recall saying that.
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:lol
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sPIE?
Spies!!!1
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Zetanine, I was the same as you on my two week trial except my first choice ever in the game was a spitfire mk1 (most guns) and i got a kill on an f4u. That made me want to subscribe. Just some perspective for you.
S!
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Zeta.... just how many folks do you imagine come to a flight game to drive a wirble in the first place.
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I hear ya man......and I would have become a customer regardless. this isn't about me......it's about numbers.
I knew I was kicking most folks here in the jimmies when I made this thread.....
my larger point........going way beyond just the wirb......is that there should be a good balance between factual realism and ease of use..within this game...
the other option is to have magnificent realism.......which makes things harder for newbs to work/grasp .... and in so doing.....with every new patch and tweak.....saying good bye to 29 out of every 30 people who respond to advertising...actually take the time to come here and try it.......and leave never to come back.
I'm not saying dumb it down........I'm saying smartening it up too much......is stupid....unless this company is a non-profit.
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Zeta.... just how many folks do you imagine come to a flight game to drive a wirble in the first place.
perhaps 1 in one thousand.....
this isn't about how or why they come here......this is about less of them leaving after two weeks.
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perhaps 1 in one thousand.....
this isn't about how or why they come here......this is about them not leaving after two weeks.
so if one in a thousand leaves after two weeks..........i don't think that's gonna screw htc's business too badly
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::WHOOSH::
so if one in a thousand leaves after two weeks..........
you said that.......not me.
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I wonder how AH was able to attract any customers for 98 tours without having any Wirbelwind at all...
BTW, the introduction of the Wirbelwind caused more turmoil (and proably a lot more "I'm leaving today!" by habitual vulchers) than adjusting it's turret traverse speed does now.
perhaps 1 in one thousand.....
Wouldn't be even noticeable statistically compared to all the other reasons people come into & do leave this game.
Im sure, at least 90% of all "2-weekers" that download Aces High for a trial don't even know about the WW until they found it here. Do you really believe they are saying "Great gamne! I would stay if this Wirble thingy could rotate it's turret faster!" ? :lol
And finally...
I knew I was kicking most folks here in the jimmies when I made this thread.....
Wishful thinking. I'm afraid you don't reach up high enough :P
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I wonder how AH was able to attract any customers for 98 tours without having any Wirbelwind at all...
BTW, the introduction of the Wirbelwind caused more turmoil (and proably a lot more "I'm leaving today!" by habitual vulchers) than adjusting it's turret traverse speed does now.
Wouldn't be even noticeable statistically compared to all the other reasons people come into & do leave this game.
Im sure, at least 90% of all "2-weekers" that download Aces High for a trial don't even know about the WW until they found it here. Do you really believe they are saying "Great gamne! I would stay if this Wirble thingy could rotate it's turret faster!" ? :lol
And finally...
Wishful thinking. I'm afraid you don't reach up high enough :P
And Snailman for the K.O....
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perhaps 1 in one thousand.....
this isn't about how or why they come here......this is about less of them leaving after two weeks.
So your saying a wirble that does not fly will disgust folks who came here to fly? I'd venture to say most folks outside this game have no idea what a wirble is.
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Do you really believe they are saying "Great gamne! I would stay if this Wirble thingy could rotate it's turret faster!" ?
noboby here said anything remotely like that here.......other than the other cats who have a hard time refuting my position with logic...
Wishful thinking. I'm afraid you don't reach up high enough :P
that high? tee hee...
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So your saying a wirble that does not fly will disgust folks who came here to fly? I'd venture to say most folks outside this game have no idea what a wirble is.
wordy.
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I wonder how AH was able to attract any customers for 98 tours without having any Wirbelwind at all...
damn.. beat me to it :aok :D
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noboby here said anything remotely like that here.......other than the other cats who have a hard time refuting my position with logic...
that high? tee hee...
And where is your logic saying that people will leave after their 2 weeks more now than before? So far all we have seen is your opinion. I'm sure with your years of experience with this company and the access you have to all of HTC's membership numbers that you will have no problem cover us in your "logic".
So with that said, it's your "opinion" as compared to these other "opinions". So far it really looks like your boat may be sinking.
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nah...it looks like I'm hammering the gang to me.
you and everyone else here knows the harder you make the game...the harder it will be to attract new customers. if you don't get that..........then as I suggested earlier.....you most likely work for the govt.
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nah...it looks like I'm hammering the gang to me.
you and everyone else here knows the harder you make the game...the harder it will be to attract new customers. if you don't get that..........then as I suggested earlier.....you most likely work for the govt.
Fixing the flak panzie in no way makes the game harder nor will it drive away any new potential customers. However, fixing the flak panzie has made it easier to spot the tools, just need to look at the myriad of flak panzie whine posts in the last couple of days.
ack-ack
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Fixing the flak panzie in no way makes the game harder nor will it drive away any new potential customers. However, fixing the flak panzie has made it easier to spot the tools, just need to look at the myriad of flak panzie whine posts in the last couple of days.
ack-ack
what's worse? the whine posts? or the fish that got hooked with them?
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what's worse? the whine posts? or the fish that got hooked with them?
The whine posts definitely are worse in general. As fishing goes this is more a school of mercy biters. We don't want to just ginore you.
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How hard is it to kill a town biulding i mean come on.
If you base is getting vultched its your fault, log off and cut yourself.
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We don't want to just ginore you.
sir........I've been ginored twice in my life......and let me tell you now.......it's nothing to joke about.
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Now I understand what's going on...the noob can't fly...he found a toy he was having fun with and now he can't even make it work to his toonville liking.
Guess it's time for the noob to find a new toy.
1d10t error...go try WWII online it's perfect for you.
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Now I understand what's going on...the noob can't fly...he found a toy he was having fun with and now he can't even make it work to his toonville liking.
Guess it's time for the noob to find a new toy.
1d10t error...go try WWII online it's perfect for you.
quoted for truth.
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sir........I've been ginored twice in my life......and let me tell you now.......it's nothing to joke about.
:D :rofl
I ginored someone once they smacked me right in the mouth.
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Not sure why it is necessary to personally attack someone just because you disagree with them. If you like the new model of the Wrible just say so. There is no need to make it personal.
I see that a lot on these forums. I think the turret turns to slow now too and LancStukas are lame.
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Bottom line: The equipment MUST be modeled as close to reality as possible or the sim becomes a joke. Relative effectiveness or lack thereof must be dealt with through the perk/ENY system.
BTW, the WW and Osti are only the tip of the iceberg as far as AA possibilities go. I feel like HTC will add many more vehicles in the years to come, including AA options.
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Bottom line: The equipment MUST be modeled as close to reality as possible or the sim becomes a joke. Relative effectiveness or lack thereof must be dealt with through the perk/ENY system.
finally...someone gets what the debate is about.
I of course, strongly dissagree. my contention is there has to be a healthy balance......or the company will face the law of diminishing returns in the form of much fewer new customers.......thus prices go way up.......then eventually...poof.
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War in it's natural state self-balances. In a game like Aces High, when a piece of equipment changes, your strategy must change, just like real life.
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:cry :cry :cry The wirble sucks now. :cry :cry :cry OOOO, Batman is on! :x
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Not sure why it is necessary to personally attack someone just because you disagree with them. If you like the new model of the Wrible just say so. There is no need to make it personal.
I see that a lot on these forums. I think the turret turns to slow now too and LancStukas are lame.
I can easily explain why there is a certain element here who does that......and why they do that. more on that in the future.
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This is loads of bushwaa , people will pay to play and its all good in the universe and if this is the first change you've gone thru well expect some more , nothing stays the same . And just think I recall when they split up the hangers on V-Bases and spread them out , oh my the outrage ! LOL I think we will all get over this too .
Nutte :salute
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finally...someone gets what the debate is about.
I of course, strongly dissagree. my contention is there has to be a healthy balance......or the company will face the law of diminishing returns in the form of much fewer new customers.......thus prices go way up.......then eventually...poof.
The lower traverse speed hasbeen asked for by at least 50% of the forum community because it is historically accurate. Just think if the Wirb was COMPLETELY nerfed. Pauses every 20 rds, not being able to fire 4 guns at once for the time it takes you to burn your ammo...and you think this is bad? Please....I've started plenty of threads on fixing the wirble and I'm glad it's finally been done, at least a little bit. What if the 262 turned like an A6M and was durable like an F6F? Would that be a healthy balance to the game too?
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The lower traverse speed hasbeen asked for by at least 50% of the forum community because it is historically accurate. Just think if the Wirb was COMPLETELY nerfed. Pauses every 20 rds, not being able to fire 4 guns at once for the time it takes you to burn your ammo...and you think this is bad? Please....I've started plenty of threads on fixing the wirble and I'm glad it's finally been done, at least a little bit. What if the 262 turned like an A6M and was durable like an F6F? Would that be a healthy balance to the game too?
I dont think it matters to any of us who have been here for a year or more.
my entire argument solely relates to new customers. keep making things harder and more realistic - vs - potential new customes being turned off.
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If it's a completely new customer frankly I don't think they'll know much about the Wirble. If they surprisingly do look up info on it they might find that it is modeled to it's traverse accurately and they will be fine with it. If they have no past experience with it, why would they whine about it?
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If it's a completely new customer frankly I don't think they'll know much about the Wirble. If they surprisingly do look up info on it they might find that it is modeled to it's traverse accurately and they will be fine with it. If they have no past experience with it, why would they whine about it?
for the record.......I'm not limiting my theory to just wirbs......it goes for everything here....
they have two weeks to either say "wow.......this is fun.......I'll pay for it"........and the harder you make their stay in those two weeks...the more likely they are to not re-up as a customer..... that goes for gv's, aircraft, ships........anything.
make all the improvements to the game ya want....the more the better.....but don't impede the performance of any war craft for historical accuracy sake......all the people into that are already here.
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Bottom line: The equipment MUST be modeled as close to reality as possible or the sim becomes a joke. Relative effectiveness or lack thereof must be dealt with through the perk/ENY system.
BTW, the WW and Osti are only the tip of the iceberg as far as AA possibilities go. I feel like HTC will add many more vehicles in the years to come, including AA options.
So in youre thinking a divebombing lancaster is modeled correctly?? Lancstukas are a joke and should have been corrected years ago. This has been brought up on these boards for years and film has been submitted to HTC but instead of correcting this BS problem they concern themselves with nurfing the wirble and osti turret. Sounds like they need to get their priorities straight. Handicapping the GVers in order to passify the toonplane pilots reeks of favoritism. Us as gvers deserve the same attention to our way of playing as any pilot does.
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well all I can say on this matter is that...... It has made absolutely no change for me at all....I still lose my turret to a spit1 with a single BB and I still can't kill one with an Il2.
On another note...the new subscribers come into this game to the traverse speed of now not then so there perception will not be altered either way, we have all just had it good for too long and now it has changed adaption is needed....not unlike when you lose power and freak out about how you're going to feed the kids...all the while you have a BBQ sitting outside...or your hob is gas.
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well all I can say on this matter is that...... It has made absolutely no change for me at all....I still lose my turret to a spit1 with a single BB and I still can't kill one with an Il2.
On another note...the new subscribers come into this game to the traverse speed of now not then so there perception will not be altered either way, we have all just had it good for too long and now it has changed adaption is needed....not unlike when you lose power and freak out about how you're going to feed the kids...all the while you have a BBQ sitting outside...or your hob is gas.
a gas grill? Blasphemy !!!