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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ex-jazz on September 19, 2009, 05:19:17 PM
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So...
A short but hard solo flying with insane of G's vs relatively long but insane speed mayhem with other hole-heads nearby.
Which one has The Hardest pilots?
(edit)
Ooops! I forget the link
http://www.redbullairrace.com/cs/Satellite/en_air/Video/Bonhomme-Disqualified-in-Porto-2008-Qualifying-021238615471476?CategoryName=Red+Bull+Air+Race&p=1238611393596
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So...
A short but hard solo flying with insane of G's vs relatively long but insane speed mayhem with other hole-heads nearby.
Which one has The Hardest pilots?
(edit)
Ooops! I forget the link
http://www.redbullairrace.com/cs/Satellite/en_air/Video/Bonhomme-Disqualified-in-Porto-2008-Qualifying-021238615471476?CategoryName=Red+Bull+Air+Race&p=1238611393596
Having seen what, 5 or 6 crashes and I believe 4 pilots die in 4 or 5 days at Reno one year, methinks that one seems a bit tougher.
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Bonhomme's redbull race numbers make our +6G blackout look at bit wimpy :confused:
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Red Bull Air Racing has the harder pilots (physically speaking) no question....
The highest average G-force in a Reno event is around 3.5, barely above a good roller coaster. Red Bull pilots will pull 10+ G's over a few seconds multiple times through a run.
Mentally Reno racers probably are better prepared, the airframes are older and often in close proximity to each other.
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Reno = NASCAR
RedBull = Formula1
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Reno = NASCAR
RedBull = Formula1
Not so much.
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Ask a Redbull pilot what makes him more uncomfortable, racing the Redbull courses in an Edge, or running a heavily modified Hawker Sea Fury at 120" of manifold pressure, 50 feet off the ground, at almost 500 mph, in close proximity to other planes doing the same.
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More like
Reno=F1, NASCAR, Indycar, all rolled into one and taken to the nth degree.
Red Bull= pro solo
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Reno = Old F1
RBAR = New F1
(Shameless Plug) Don't miss the grand final at Barcelona! (Which is part of the airshow I'm the coordinator of) :) (/Shameless Plug)
Daniel
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Reno Races = machines:
(http://www.a2oxford.info/pages/reno_2006/images/unlimited/unlimited_10.jpg)
Red Bull Races = toys:
(http://www.air-races.com/images/PICT0920.JPG)
any questions? ;)
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Reno actually has many different classes that race. The unlimited class is just the top of the food chain. They do have a class that looks very much like the Red Bull racers.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/Radcam/F1airracer.jpg)
Of course in Reno there are several racing at one time, as opposed to the single plane flying against the clock.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/Radcam/reno05_biplanes_low_YG4O4219.jpg)
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Yep, the bi-panes also start racing right of the runway. Pretty cool I think.
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Red Bull Air Racing has the harder pilots (physically speaking) no question....
The highest average G-force in a Reno event is around 3.5, barely above a good roller coaster. Red Bull pilots will pull 10+ G's over a few seconds multiple times through a run.
Mentally Reno racers probably are better prepared, the airframes are older and often in close proximity to each other.
Ask a Redbull pilot what makes him more uncomfortable, racing the Redbull courses in an Edge, or running a heavily modified Hawker Sea Fury at 120" of manifold pressure, 50 feet off the ground, at almost 500 mph, in close proximity to other planes doing the same.
Well put.
The Reno racing surely requires a certain nerve & guts to fly.
BTW
Nice pictures there. The contra prop Precious Metal is my favorite Reno racer.
WTG Cyrano.
Few question about the rules:
- Is there a certain roll +/-degree tolerance for the Level and Knife air-gate passing? Or is it just up to the judge?
- What is consired as a too low flying? The Budapest Chain Bridge passage is tight and the planes are pretty low already there.
Hajrá Peter! :aok
Thank you for your comments.
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- Is there a certain roll +/-degree tolerance for the Level and Knife air-gate passing? Or is it just up to the judge?
<10deg iirc.
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Here is the question to ask yourself.
If I could only go to one of these events in my lifetime, which event would I go to?
Reno :aok
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So...
A short but hard solo flying with insane of G's vs relatively long but insane speed mayhem with other hole-heads nearby.
Which one has The Hardest pilots?
(edit)
Ooops! I forget the link
http://www.redbullairrace.com/cs/Satellite/en_air/Video/Bonhomme-Disqualified-in-Porto-2008-Qualifying-021238615471476?CategoryName=Red+Bull+Air+Race&p=1238611393596
they are both equally hard, just in different ways.
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Here is the question to ask yourself.
If I could only go to one of these events in my lifetime, which event would I go to?
Reno :aok
Exactly.. :aok
I've been to Reno the last 3 years in a row.. I've seen the Red Bull Races but Reno wins hands down, end of story.. There's nothing like 4000hp merlins and radials rumbling past at close to 500mph.. :rock
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Exactly.. :aok
I've been to Reno the last 3 years in a row.. I've seen the Red Bull Races but Reno wins hands down, end of story.. There's nothing like 4000hp merlins and radials rumbling past at close to 500mph.. :rock
but by the same token, there's nothing like seeing that edge 540 pulling 9g's at nearly 300mph, 50ft alt, making a 90 degree turn.
they're both a blast to watch...although i've never seen either in real...only on tv
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but by the same token, there's nothing like seeing that edge 540 pulling 9g's at nearly 300mph, 50ft alt, making a 90 degree turn.
they're both a blast to watch...although i've never seen either in real...only on tv
I suppose.. To each their own, but I personally like watching modified and stock warbirds beat the air to submission.. :t
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I suppose.. To each their own, but I personally like watching modified and stock warbirds beat the air to submission.. :t
now you're contradicting yourself.
those warbirds sail gracefully through the air, with grace and ease.
when did they start the helicopter races? "beat the air into submission" :noid :aok
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I suppose.. To each their own, but I personally like watching modified and stock warbirds beat the air to submission.. :t
Was Big Bossman there this year?
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I was lucky enough to be able to go to the Reno Air Races a few ..ok .. more than a few years ago and for several years in a row my wife and I were able to go ..The whole weekend affair was the experience of a lifetime.
We'd ride the Honda Gold Wing up to Bally's ..check in, first year we setup the ride over with their Air Race shuttle ..every year after that we just rode the Gold Wing out there because with a bike, you can park right at the entrance. You can lane split in and out safely (if yer not a complete moron on a bike) so there is no waiting for the miles long traffic jam in and out.
Having Bob Hoover sign my Mustang shirt was priceless. The start signal is usually given as they dive into the course fairly close overhead and spaced a few hundred feet to the right of the bleachers we used to sit in.
There is nothing that sounds like the unlimiteds cuttin loose overhead when Bob says GO :)
Every year we went, Strega was asking the question of just how much nitrous can you pack into a Merlin for how long, vs the Rare Bear just plain cubic inch big dog goin for it. Rare Bear set the track record several times the years we went.
Was a total blast .. every year.
I have never been to a Red Bull event .. it's on my bucket list tho :)
-Frank aka GE
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Was Big Bossman there this year?
Unfortunately no.. Big Bossman is my favorite to watch but I believe Mike Brown sold it last year.. Hopefully it'll return to Reno and race again someday..
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Unfortunately no.. Big Bossman is my favorite to watch but I believe Mike Brown sold it last year.. Hopefully it'll return to Reno and race again someday..
My favorite too. He must have had some serious money trouble--I knew September Fury was up for sale, but didn't know he sold BB too. I hope whomever bought it takes awesome care of it. That plane is definitely the ramp champ at Reno.
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My favorite Reno video.... Nothing sounds quite like an F7F at full gonzo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kkilBoA3I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kkilBoA3I)
My regards,
Widewing