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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SVIGGEN on October 02, 2009, 07:41:59 PM
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Currently, the billing system is about $15/month. However, Some people (like me) are only able to play after coming home from work, at most 1-2 hours a day. I was wondering if HTC would consider the option of pay-per hour, so that those people who desire to play on an irregular basis can still keep their accounts functioning and pay only for the hours that they are actually online. What do you think?
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I think 50 cents a day is just fine.
You ARE just kidding, right?
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Sviggen,
Please, do the math. Come back next year and talk it over.
Cheers,
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What about those guys that fly in excess of 100 hours a month? Are you going to make them pay a couple hundred dollars/euros every month to fly their dreams?
You're making the choice to spend $15 a month. Whether you actually fly your moneys worth is up to you.
EJ
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HT/Pyro's last sim was $2/hour. I think $15/month is a steal.
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Aces High I was $29.95 a month at first. They dropped the price about the time Air Warrior died.
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And to add to the bonfire, There are a lot of players who exceed 100+ hours a month. Do you know how much that will cost them just to add a simpler billing system? $15 is a steal compared to other flight sims.
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Currently, the billing system is about $15/month. However, Some people (like me) are only able to play after coming home from work, at most 1-2 hours a day. I was wondering if HTC would consider the option of pay-per hour, so that those people who desire to play on an irregular basis can still keep their accounts functioning and pay only for the hours that they are actually online. What do you think?
I'm in the same boat, really only able to for a couple of hours each night after I get off of work but paying a flat fee of $15 a month is far better than paying hourly. I used to play another flight sim many years ago where sometimes I would have to pay (depending on the peak times) $12 an hour and if lucky would be as low as $6 an hour.
In the long run, flat fee is far more inexpensive than an hourly charge.
ack-ack
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The only advantage you might get from an hourly rate is concerning score] when the guys that cant afford to fly but 15-20 hours because of an hourly rate have to stop flying after the second day. :D
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Currently, the billing system is about $15/month. However, Some people (like me) are only able to play after coming home from work, at most 1-2 hours a day. I was wondering if HTC would consider the option of pay-per hour, so that those people who desire to play on an irregular basis can still keep their accounts functioning and pay only for the hours that they are actually online. What do you think?
I think, if you bothered to read his post, that he is asking HTC to implement a second billing system.
It would not effect anyone who did not wish to pay hourly rate....
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I played during the $2.00/hour days. It is very easy in an hourly billing system to run beyond what you budgeted. All it takes is one good night when you're flying Sierra Hotel sorties and you don't want to quit.
Keep it simple. Fifteen dollars a month is easy to budget. You know exactly how much they're going to charge you and what day it's taken out.
If your budget is so tight that fifteen dollars is too much, cancel for a while. No shame in that. I just came off a whole year without online access because money was tight and AH is lower in priorities than rent, electricity, gas, water, and school lunches.
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What about those guys that fly in excess of 100 hours a month? Are you going to make them pay a couple hundred dollars/euros every month to fly their dreams?
You're making the choice to spend $15 a month. Whether you actually fly your moneys worth is up to you.
EJ
Just have it at the same rate. If 15$ a month equates to about .03$ per hour when paying for 24hrs then you pay 3 pennies per hour you play. Really not that hard to figure out....
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Just have it at the same rate. If 15$ a month equates to about .03$ per hour when paying for 24hrs then you pay 3 pennies per hour you play. Really not that hard to figure out....
there's so many wrong things about his .03 cent calculation. there's fixed costs that ah needs to cover, rent, electricity, heat, sheep. add to that a profit, as all business do, and the hourly rate would be many times more than the .03, or jack up the rate of the flat rate to make up for the loss.. it would actually end up costing you more than the current 15 flat rate if you played more a few hours. think of the current fee like a hotel room, u dont pay for the amount of time u use it (be 30 seconds or all night) , u pay the daily rate.
semp
just a thought, if ah would be so kind as to bring the sheep back. more people would be motivated to call off at work and play.
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Yes, but all I'm saying is you wouldn't pay hundreds. I wasn't saying the rate should be 3 cents, I was just using that as an exapmle.
But that is a good idea, a daily rate for every day you play. hows about 1$ a day sound or 15$/month. The rate is doubled, HTC stays in business as long as people don't start suddenly playing once a week.
And while were on it, why not make it avalable for debit cards? It would help a lot of the squeakers out there....
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Helping squeakers.....oh the horror :D
When I started flying AW on GEnie it was $6 an hour unless you started
during their primetime (before 18:00) when it went up to $12. The new guys
don't understand how easy we have it now.
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hehehehe, squeakers don't deserve help eh?
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Yes, but all I'm saying is you wouldn't pay hundreds. I wasn't saying the rate should be 3 cents, I was just using that as an exapmle.
But that is a good idea, a daily rate for every day you play. hows about 1$ a day sound or 15$/month. The rate is doubled, HTC stays in business as long as people don't start suddenly playing once a week.
And while were on it, why not make it avalable for debit cards? It would help a lot of the squeakers out there....
only people that would use the hourly option would be the ones who play less than 15 hrs a month. now lets say that 1000 people switch to hourly rate, so now u have 1000 paying less than 15 a month. now guess how ah is gonna make up that income loss.
a: sell the sheep
b: force skuzzy to sell his furniture at the amish flea market (j/k skuzzy)
c: increase the montly rate to make up the lost income
btw I pay with a debit card. always have, always will. have an account set up just for ah. I remember the aol hourly rate for aw, i had to use my american express corporate card, never did pay that bill :(. gamestorm charged $10. at todays rates $15 is not bad.
semp
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Ok, here's a suggestion... have a single system, but make it work like this....
Take the average amount of hours/days that all accounts play each month. Divide $15 by that amount and you get your hourly/daily rate. Now just make it so that once a person hits that average playtime and therefore $15, they aren't charged anymore money.
If the average playtime of all subscribers is around 30 hours, that equates to 50 cents an hour.
Lets say Ronnie plays 13 hours: Ronnie pays $6.50 that month.
Now lets say Josie plays 118 hours: Josie pays only $15, because she has exceeded the maximum billing.
I doubt HT will change their system, but if they did, I would think something like this would make sense without changing for the worse how much they charge their loyal customer base. while maybe encouraging busy people who don't have much time to drop by every once and a while and not feel like they are losing money in their subscription. And honestly, they can set their hourly/daily rait however they want, but the important thing is they have a maximum amount somebody has to pay.
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i think your looking at this all wrong.. if someone wants to pay hourly let.. that means more money for HTC to hire another coder and start adding more things
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How about HTC charge $2 an hour for anyone who climbs over 7k or flies in a mission of more than 10 guys. Double the hourly charge if they meet both criteria...
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Even back when WB was 2$ an hour there was a 10 hour minimum.
You telling me you don't ever fly more than 7 hours a tour?
Flat rate pricing was the best thing that ever happened to AH.
All of a sudden instead of trying to pay for 2 $ an hour for enough time to get good enough to have a chance. You pay 15$ a month and can fly all you want. You can afford to take months climbing the learning curve instead of hours.
Just pray that HT never gets the idea of charging for each plane we roll or we'll all be going broke.
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Even back when WB was 2$ an hour there was a 10 hour minimum.
You telling me you don't ever fly more than 7 hours a tour?
Flat rate pricing was the best thing that ever happened to AH.
All of a sudden instead of trying to pay for 2 $ an hour for enough time to get good enough to have a chance. You pay 15$ a month and can fly all you want. You can afford to take months climbing the learning curve instead of hours.
Just pray that HT never gets the idea of charging for each plane we roll or we'll all be going broke.
I think it should only be fair to force dr7 to pay for every tank he kills.
semp
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I think it should only be fair to force dr7 to pay for every tank he kills.
semp
Please god no, then HT would retire, the sheep would get sold for mutton, Skuzzy would have to move to India and become an telephone tech support person. :D
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1. HTC Is a business.
2. You are not just paying for time used, you are also paying for the time it took to create AH.
3. Convince me it is beneficial for HTC and I will consider a change.
4. To put things into perspective when I was playing online sims a lot $600 to $800 a month bill was not uncommon for me.
HiTech
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My flight sim career went down the toilet very quickly.... years ago when my wife (who handled the bills) saw the credit card bill for hourly.
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Hitech, what is the total it costs to keep AH2 up and running, make payments, pay employees, make additions
And what is the net gain HTC is making. If its 2mill after all those deductions you have nothing to complain about.
I'm not complaining, I'm asking so we can find a suitable hourly or daily rate.
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Hitech, what is the total it costs to keep AH2 up and running, make payments, pay employees, make additions
And what is the net gain HTC is making. If its 2mill after all those deductions you have nothing to complain about.
I'm not complaining, I'm asking so we can find a suitable hourly or daily rate.
LOL!!!! like he is going to give out that kind of info !!!
I think if HTC added an hourly payment plan IN ADDITION TO the monthly plan they already have it would help the OP, and might bring a few more in. Keep the $15 monthly fee for those of us who have no life :D and the hourly rate for thos who only jump on for an hour or two a month, or those that only jump on for a senario, or an FSO now and then.
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Good idea Fugitive. How about Hitech just give us a reasonable ammount for hourly and daily price...
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Of course we can all look at it llike this.
WE all get to fly AH for free. The charge of $15/month is for the membership to be able to fly. There now we all are getting the same value. Now the hourly charge wish is negated since your hours of flight are free but if you still wish to pay for the hours you fly I am sure HT will be more than willing to accept any additional funds over and above the $15/month. :D
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Good idea Fugitive. How about Hitech just give us a reasonable ammount for hourly and daily price...
Reasonable for who?
As someone stated above, $.03 isn't going to pay the bills. If you actually play less than 15 hours a month, then why not make it $1.00/hour or even $.50 an hour.
If you compare what you spend on anything else per month to the $15 you spent on AH2, you're getting a bargain. Skip those 2 fast food lunches or those 4 cups of coffee.
No one is forcing anyone to play AH2. If some people want to pay more than the $.50 a day I'm paying, I say let them. Add an hourly rate. If they're looking for a "bargain" then they're SOL.
wrongway
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OK, does a daily rate of .75$ sound good, or do you guys want 1$? Either way HTC is making more money per hour evertime these guys play. I think It'll help the guys who play on week ends because of work actually enjoy their hobby.
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Anything else out there offering the same quality for less?
Didnt think so.
billing fine as it is.
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Lets just be thankful for what AH has done in the past and where they are going with it now. Consider what it cost AH to run a business including creating a business plan, finical consultant, business consultant, legal matters, and so on. we are lucky to only pay $15 a month. If you have never try to start your own business, it is not any fun and cost a lot of money.
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I'm fine with the current system from my end. I was thinking about the idea of multiple options too. I don't know how practical it would be from HTC's end, but what if you bought credit hours?
Example 1: you buy 24 credit hours, so you have 24 hours worth of game time to use whenever you want. The clock is only running when your in online play.
Example 2: you buy a week worth of credit hours, so you have 168 hours worth of game time.
I don't know how easy it would be to contine your subscription once your out of credit hours; maybe a dialog box When you first go online that tells you how many credit hours you have left and if you want to purchase more. Like I said, this is just another option. If you like paying at a fixed rate then that's your perogative.
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I'd rather they changed the account/GameID system to where an account locked due to payment problems can be reopened, saving the perkies (yes, the few I had mattered to me :D), squad affiliation, GameID, ect.
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Reasonable for who?
As someone stated above, $.03 isn't going to pay the bills. If you actually play less than 15 hours a month, then why not make it $1.00/hour or even $.50 an hour.
If you compare what you spend on anything else per month to the $15 you spent on AH2, you're getting a bargain. Skip those 2 fast food lunches or those 4 cups of coffee.
No one is forcing anyone to play AH2. If some people want to pay more than the $.50 a day I'm paying, I say let them. Add an hourly rate. If they're looking for a "bargain" then they're SOL.
wrongway
I agree with this Wrong,the problem is the person this was directed at has to ask Mommy for the money.It's very likely that she said no until a certain pillow is replaced...... :rolleyes:
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Its also aimed at those of us who can only play about 1/4 of the month and aren't rich and there for, that 180$ a year actually matters to them.
I can't really play every day, as classes get in the way, and I'm not rich. And hey, its not like the number of people we have won't spike because more of us can afford to play....
I'd rather they changed the account/GameID system to where an account locked due to payment problems can be reopened, saving the perkies (yes, the few I had mattered to me :D), squad affiliation, GameID, ect.
+1000000000 got my account locked a few weeks ago. That would defeniatly make up the cost for me. I can choose the months I play, and I won't loose my name, squad, perks, etc.
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I'm on my fifth account now.
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I think 50 cents a day is just fine.
You ARE just kidding, right?
I used to blow 50 cents within 20 minutes at the arcade, back in the day. I think the billing system is fine like it is.
Coogan
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I'm on my fifth account now.
Lol, serisouly? I think I'm on my 10th
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Its also aimed at those of us who can only play about 1/4 of the month and aren't rich and there for, that 180$ a year actually matters to them.
I can't really play every day, as classes get in the way, and I'm not rich. And hey, its not like the number of people we have won't spike because more of us can afford to play....
+1000000000 got my account locked a few weeks ago. That would defeniatly make up the cost for me. I can choose the months I play, and I won't loose my name, squad, perks, etc.
I'm betting you could stand on a street corner for an hour and make the $15. see? (http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A877530) ;)
Do you have no life other than school and AH2? You spend no money on anything else? You don't need to be rich. It's all a matter of priorities.
wrongway
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Do you have no life other than school and AW2? You spend no money on anything else? You don't need to be rich. It's all a matter of priorities.
Freudian Slip?
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Freudian Slip?
yes... I fix. Been catching it alot lately.
:lol
wrongway
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I'm betting you could stand on a street corner for an hour and make the $15. see? ;)
Do you have no life other than school and AW2? You spend no money on anything else? You don't need to be rich. It's all a matter of priorities.
wrongway
I'm not saying I don't spend money on other things. I COULD re subscribe right now if I chose to, but like you say, its all priorities. But just because I can play if I feel like it doesn't mean others can and should be forced to choose between an education and AH2. I'm not saying that its a hard choice when the question is put to you, but what I'm saying is if we have a daily fee, then they can play when they have the cash.
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I'm not saying I don't spend money on other things. I COULD re subscribe right now if I chose to, but like you say, its all priorities. But just because I can play if I feel like it doesn't mean others can and should be forced to choose between an education and AH2. I'm not saying that its a hard choice when the question is put to you, but what I'm saying is if we have a daily fee, then they can play when they have the cash.
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That would also be solved by a revamped account/GameID system, which would also save all the paperwork/transactions/hassle of charging you $0.50 every day.
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OK, I vote for OOZ's idea. That sounds like it could solve our problems. And give it a button to make your account go inactive. It won't deactivate it, just stops payments untill you hit reactivate.
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OK, I vote for OOZ's idea. That sounds like it could solve our problems. And give it a button to make your account go inactive. It won't deactivate it, just stops payments untill you hit reactivate.
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I'm sorry, but what the hell was all that supposed to mean? And how is it related to this conversation?
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I'm sorry, but what the hell was all that supposed to mean? And how is it related to this conversation?
talk to this guy
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If I did, I'm sure he'd make about as much sense as you are right now.
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If I did, I'm sure he'd make about as much sense as you are right now.
well this guy is going to kill you
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Mmmhm. I'll talk to you next when you reach your teenage years.
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Mmmhm. I'll talk to you next when you reach your teenage years.
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That would also be solved by a revamped account/GameID system, which would also save all the paperwork/transactions/hassle of charging you $0.50 every day.
$.50 cents a day being the monthly price. The OP wanted an hourly rate. The rate would need to be financially viable for the company. I would think cents per hour would not be feasible.
In the long run, anyone who cannot afford the $15 a month would be better off saving up the needed funds each month or find another obsession.
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My only objection is that the monthly fee is much cheaper than any "pay as you play" option could ever be.
wrongway
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That would also be solved by a revamped account/GameID system, which would also save all the paperwork/transactions/hassle of charging you $0.50 every day.
just curious could you explain this?
semp
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Explain what? I already explained how a revamp of that system would be helpful. As to the latter half, money doesn't just poof around. Pretty dang close, but a daily fee vs a monthly one is still 29x/30x/31x as much work per month (not necessarily human work, but still).
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Explain what? I already explained how a revamp of that system would be helpful. As to the latter half, money doesn't just poof around. Pretty dang close, but a daily fee vs a monthly one is still 29x/30x/31x as much work per month (not necessarily human work, but still).
how exactly do you plan a revamp of the system and what exactly is the 29x/30x/31x. please be as detailed as possible, since we're doing the same at my company, and who knows I may learn something here. I used to be an accountant before, but that' was 10 years ago. maybe things have changed. and if I remember correctly the daily rate was always more than the flat rate in just about every business I worked for.
the reason for that is that the per use rate is always calculated differently than the flat rate. as an example I'll give u my text messages, the phone company charges 10 cents each. or a flat rate of 200 messages for $5 (they also have the unlimited, but lets keep it simple). I would have to use 49 or less messages to save money on a per use rate than going with a flat $5 plan that offers 200. now I dont nearly do 50 messages a month, but I have the $5 plan for a simple reason, there's been a couple of times that I have gone way more than 50, so no savings there.
now keep in mind if you go on a per use plan, It will not stop at the flat rate (whatever the amount is) and it will be possible for anybody to actually end up paying many times the flat rate for use that's not nearly as much as the average flat rate. I am almost positive that if a per use rate was to be offered it would be on a per minute basis, otherwise it would be unfair to the person that only plays 1 hr versus the one that plays 6 hours, to be charge the same. so be carefull how u wish to save money, this is not a good one.
semp
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1. HTC Is a business.
2. You are not just paying for time used, you are also paying for the time it took to create AH.
3. Convince me it is beneficial for HTC and I will consider a change.
4. To put things into perspective when I was playing online sims a lot $600 to $800 a month bill was not uncommon for me.
HiTech
Holy cow HiTech, thats a Corvette car payment!
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Mmmhm. I'll talk to you next when you reach your teenage years.
Hell, knowing how screwed up things are sometimes, hes probably in his late 30's.
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how exactly do you plan a revamp of the system and what exactly is the 29x/30x/31x. please be as detailed as possible, since we're doing the same at my company, and who knows I may learn something here. I used to be an accountant before, but that' was 10 years ago. maybe things have changed. and if I remember correctly the daily rate was always more than the flat rate in just about every business I worked for.
Firstly, the two systems are separate. We're talking accounts and billing. I would love to see an accounts system revamp while the billing system stays the same.
Currently (as far as I can tell), the account system works like this: You create an account, attach a GameID to it, go through your two-week trial if you haven't already, then begin recurring billing. Once that payment stops (whether by you telling them you're done, canceling your account, or simply running out of money), the account is locked and if you were associated with anything (generally a squad, it seems) it also eats your GameID. I suspect a GameID can be unlocked(I'll find out on Monday), however an account cannot, no matter what. You must always create a brand new account and attach a free GameID to it.
Why? Why can't I have my OOZ662 account attached to the OOZ662 GameID and let it expire? There was a while I was burned out on the game. As punishment, I lost all my perks and squad affiliation. If they hadn't have done that mass GameID cleanout while I was gone, that would have been lost too. Recently I've had problems with my payment systems and so have gone through four more accounts, losing everything each time(though somehow keeping the GameID until now). I figure we ought to be able to "pause" our accounts; a yes/no option on the recurring billing. When your 30days after payment runs out, no playing until you send more money. Works on EvE(*shudder*) and PotBS, why not here?
As to the payments thing, it's assumed that a usage-based system based on too small an amount of time ruins people's lives (I've heard of at least two divorces due to the hourly billing mentioned earlier). Someone suggested daily billing. I assumed he meant "I log in and get charged for my day." That would be a huge overhead to whatever does the submission of charges (29x/30x/31x being the number of days in a month it would have to submit a tiny charge vs the 1x it submits a "big" charge now). I guess it could still be a monthly charge based on the amount you use, but that would still require a bit of work to the structure of the billing system to remember how many hours/days/whatever you've played.
Personally, I'd rather spend $.50 a day to not have to worry about a sudden $400 bill on a "good month" or to not need to "bean count" my time spent online in order not to go over. Everyone would then end up doing the same thing we are forced into by the cell services; buy a HECK of a lot more than you need in order to not worry about overcharges. More profit for HTC per user, but I bet less users since the competition bills ~$15 a month.
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Firstly, the two systems are separate. We're talking accounts and billing. I would love to see an accounts system revamp while the billing system stays the same.
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Have you tried calling customer service or are you just trying to log into your old account and modifying it? As I understand it, if you actually talk to a human being at HTC you can get your old account restored but not your perk points.
Dunno.
Perks are eaasy to get anyhow.
wrongway
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They do that by deleting the old account and creating a new one, hence the loss in perks. Why have to go through that?
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I agree wiht OZZ about the Account/ID relation. I say we have a "Pause/Resume account" button, that will pause and resume payments on your account. And that your game ID is linked to you and your Email adress, not your account. That would make you responsible for changing the email adress its linked to, but I think it would work.
And how about a daily, or weekly fee? daily is 1$ a day (double the rate for 15$/month) and 5$ a week (about 1 1/2 times the rate of 15$/month unless I did the math wrong). What do you think?
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Firstly, the two systems are separate. We're talking accounts and billing. I would love to see an accounts system revamp while the billing system stays the same.
Currently (as far as I can tell), the account system works like this: You create an account, attach a GameID to it, go through your two-week trial if you haven't already, then begin recurring billing. Once that payment stops (whether by you telling them you're done, canceling your account, or simply running out of money), the account is locked and if you were associated with anything (generally a squad, it seems) it also eats your GameID. I suspect a GameID can be unlocked(I'll find out on Monday), however an account cannot, no matter what. You must always create a brand new account and attach a free GameID to it.
Why? Why can't I have my OOZ662 account attached to the OOZ662 GameID and let it expire? There was a while I was burned out on the game. As punishment, I lost all my perks and squad affiliation. If they hadn't have done that mass GameID cleanout while I was gone, that would have been lost too. Recently I've had problems with my payment systems and so have gone through four more accounts, losing everything each time(though somehow keeping the GameID until now). I figure we ought to be able to "pause" our accounts; a yes/no option on the recurring billing. When your 30days after payment runs out, no playing until you send more money. Works on EvE(*shudder*) and PotBS, why not here?
As to the payments thing, it's assumed that a usage-based system based on too small an amount of time ruins people's lives (I've heard of at least two divorces due to the hourly billing mentioned earlier). Someone suggested daily billing. I assumed he meant "I log in and get charged for my day." That would be a huge overhead to whatever does the submission of charges (29x/30x/31x being the number of days in a month it would have to submit a tiny charge vs the 1x it submits a "big" charge now). I guess it could still be a monthly charge based on the amount you use, but that would still require a bit of work to the structure of the billing system to remember how many hours/days/whatever you've played.
Personally, I'd rather spend $.50 a day to not have to worry about a sudden $400 bill on a "good month" or to not need to "bean count" my time spent online in order not to go over. Everyone would then end up doing the same thing we are forced into by the cell services; buy a HECK of a lot more than you need in order to not worry about overcharges. More profit for HTC per user, but I bet less users since the competition bills ~$15 a month.
how would this save money to allow them to switch to daily rates for some people? and what does the u losing perks have anything to do with billing? dude u have no idea what ur talking about. and what makes u think its fair to have somebody play for 1 hour a day and be charged .50 which would be the same for somebody that plays 6 hours a day. which is exactly what u guys are complaining about right now. u dont think its fair that somebody plays couple of hours a week while other play many times that figure for the same price.
I see two different things that you are trying to accomplish here, and they're unrelated.
1 revamp the billing system to allow daily/minute/weekly rates.
2 allow you to save your id so you can reactivate at a later date, if and when u delete your account.
before u guys propose a daily/weekly rate that u think would be fair, (not sure to whom). do you know how many people would want this daily rate? would more people join if there was a daily rate? how many people will quit the game if they got a monthly bill of more than 15 because they got drunk and played over their limit. what time does the daily rate end? midnight? which zone, pst, est ?
we had this use based billing system 10 years ago with aol. trust me u dont want it, because it will turn around and bite you in the azzz.
semp
and while u guys are arguing over this, I am gonna go and refill the empty water bottles with tap water (I have a filter in the fawcet). girlfriend is not here and she dont know, and she cant taste the difference either, after all, bottled water is just tap water. I have been doing this for several months and just got me a new 23 in monitor with the money saved. and that's how u save money.
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how would this save money to allow them to switch to daily rates for some people? and what does the u losing perks have anything to do with billing? dude u have no idea what ur talking about.
I stopped right here, since you clearly can't read my posts for what they are meant to say and decided to insult me instead. :)
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1 revamp the billing system to allow daily/minute/weekly rates.
2 allow you to save your id so you can reactivate at a later date, if and when u delete your account.
before u guys propose a daily/weekly rate that u think would be fair, (not sure to whom). do you know how many people would want this daily rate? would more people join if there was a daily rate? how many people will quit the game if they got a monthly bill of more than 15 because they got drunk and played over their limit. what time does the daily rate end? midnight? which zone, pst, est ?
We pretty much decided to scrap the hourly idea and I thing were going for daily or weekly deal.
Yes, that way we don't have to get a new name that no one's taken, get our affiliations back, and earn our perks back.
It would stop once it hit 15$. And the daily/weekly rate would be more than that of the 15$/month. HTC earns more money per day/week off them, but they pay less in the end so everyones happy.
Yes, daily rate ends at midnight for the servers, or we could use the time zone right next to the Prime Meridian or the internationl date line so we can't be favoring the players in any country, were just setting a spot that everyone knows.
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Holy cow HiTech, thats a Corvette car payment!
Dedication. It's an amazing word :aok
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We pretty much decided to scrap the hourly idea and I thing were going for daily or weekly deal.
Yes, that way we don't have to get a new name that no one's taken, get our affiliations back, and earn our perks back.
It would stop once it hit 15$. And the daily/weekly rate would be more than that of the 15$/month. HTC earns more money per day/week off them, but they pay less in the end so everyones happy.
Yes, daily rate ends at midnight for the servers, or we could use the time zone right next to the Prime Meridian or the internationl date line so we can't be favoring the players in any country, were just setting a spot that everyone knows.
LOL!!! your not going for anything! nor is anyone else ! HTC decides what it cost, and at this time it $15 a month. Either pay, or don't. That's the only choice you have to "go with"
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Its not the only choice we have if we get HTC to add our ideas. Were the customers, and if HTC pisses enough of us off and we quit, then Hi Tech Creations goes down the tubes. Whey else do we have a wishlist if were never going to change anything? I honestly think that the new customers who can only play for a week or two a month will make up for the profits lost by those of us who would rather pay more per week than more total.
Not everyone is rich enough to afford an alienware computer with surround sound speakers, triple head to go giving them wide screen, and a minifridge all in their private jet....
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Its not the only choice we have if we get HTC to add our ideas. Were the customers, and if HTC pisses enough of us off and we quit, then Hi Tech Creations goes down the tubes. Whey else do we have a wishlist if were never going to change anything? I honestly think that the new customers who can only play for a week or two a month will make up for the profits lost by those of us who would rather pay more per week than more total.
Not everyone is rich enough to afford an alienware computer with surround sound speakers, triple head to go giving them wide screen, and a minifridge all in their private jet....
nemesis then again before u say we the customers, I would like to know "who" exactly u talking about. u talking about a few existing customers, 10%, all of us, what. make a cost benefit analysis. submit your idea and i am pretty sure htc would consider it, specially if you could prove that it would be a better system and it would attract new customer, hell I bet you could get a job as a consultant. btw most people here dont have alienware computers and only a few have triple head. most of my squad and the guys i know have something little better than a pentium 4 (if that) held together with tape.
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nemesis then again before u say we the customers, I would like to know "who" exactly u talking about. u talking about a few existing customers, 10%, all of us, what. make a cost benefit analysis. submit your idea and i am pretty sure htc would consider it, specially if you could prove that it would be a better system and it would attract new customer, hell I bet you could get a job as a consultant. btw most people here dont have alienware computers and only a few have triple head. most of my squad and the guys i know have something little better than a pentium 4 (if that) held together with tape.
When I say "we" I mean everyone who has a subscription to HTC and doesn't work for them. And I'm considering it, but I can't be employeed for a couple more years unless I have the laws wrong. And I know few have high end machines, but the attitude in here seems to be "well I can play, so everyone else can but must be wasting their money on bottled water, so they can go piss up a rope."
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For the $15 I pay a month for this I aint complaining. I play enough to justify paying the entire fee. Anyway anothe rposter said it comes out to .50 cents a day. You cant beat that. I spend more on the beer I drink during an FSO than I do on the subscription. Keep it as is.
BigKev
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Yes, YOU might, but we have to remember that with the economy in the shape it is, some of us might have enough for 1 week a month at 5$ a week and then thats it.
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Yes, YOU might, but we have to remember that with the economy in the shape it is, some of us might have enough for 1 week a month at 5$ a week and then thats it.
Well if your hurting for money that bad that $10 could break you then I suggest that you end your subscription and bank that extra $5. There are far more important things to spend money on than a game. Priorities.
But now that you have brought it out into the open lets ask what your really asking for. A cheaper way to pay so all of your buddies in intermediate school can play too ( you mentioned not being old enough to work by law). Again, I believe if you can't afford it, you shouldn't be spending it. It's a good lesson to learn now so later when you start thinking about buying a car you'll look at those that you can afford. I know a Corvette would look nice in my driveway, on the other hand I understand putting food on the table and a roof over the the heads of my family is a bit more important.
The same goes for the game. Its entertainment, and nothing more. My kids use to earn their game subscriptions by doing chores around the house. Of course they didn't realize that once they made the deal I had them by the ...ummm ... well you know whats :D "Do your chores or I make a call to Blizzard right now!" LOL!!! taught them a little responsibility.
Instead of looking for ways for some one else to make things cheaper, why not looking for ways to "earn" your way to pay the bill. I know, it's easier to have someone else fix it than it is for you to work at it yourself.
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It would stop once it hit 15$. And the daily/weekly rate would be more than that of the 15$/month. HTC earns more money per day/week off them, but they pay less in the end so everyones happy.
Yes, daily rate ends at midnight for the servers, or we could use the time zone right next to the Prime Meridian or the internationl date line so we can't be favoring the players in any country, were just setting a spot that everyone knows.
Too easily abused. It should start at $15 a month. Paying by the week/day/hour could be an option but not a benefit. Paying up front and in full is a reward in a cheaper price.
As far as pissing off customers goes, if you are not currently subscribed you are not a customer. You are a potential customer or a former customer and, in your case, an occasional, former, potential customer.
HTC isn't making anything off you nor is he losing anything.
wrongway
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Well if your hurting for money that bad that $10 could break you then I suggest that you end your subscription and bank that extra $5. There are far more important things to spend money on than a game. Priorities.
I CAN pay the subscription right now. I could go on, subscribe, and nail a couple of T34/76's within 10mins, but I CHOOSE not to, because I should be saving it now.
But now that you have brought it out into the open lets ask what your really asking for. A cheaper way to pay so all of your buddies in intermediate school can play too ( you mentioned not being old enough to work by law). Again, I believe if you can't afford it, you shouldn't be spending it. It's a good lesson to learn now so later when you start thinking about buying a car you'll look at those that you can afford.
Can already buy a car, and do they really have 15yr olds in intermediate school where you live?
The same goes for the game. Its entertainment, and nothing more. My kids use to earn their game subscriptions by doing chores around the house. Of course they didn't realize that once they made the deal I had them by the ...ummm ... well you know whats :D "Do your chores or I make a call to Blizzard right now!" LOL!!! taught them a little responsibility.
I realize it's entertainment, and it doesn't take anywhere near top priority. Lol, had something like that when I was 10 with the PS2. Mom would always threaten to take away sly 2 band of theives. hehehe 5 years ago I was playing sly, and now I'm blowing up tanks....
Instead of looking for ways for some one else to make things cheaper, why not looking for ways to "earn" your way to pay the bill. I know, it's easier to have someone else fix it than it is for you to work at it yourself.
While I would get benefit from it, I'm just over the edge of not playing. I can make money almost as fast as I spend it on this game so I could get away with it for about a year before it caught up with me, and allmost all previous work will have been for a video game instead of a car.
Too easily abused. It should start at $15 a month. Paying by the week/day/hour could be an option but not a benefit. Paying up front and in full is a reward in a cheaper price.
As far as pissing off customers goes, if you are not currently subscribed you are not a customer. You are a potential customer or a former customer and, in your case, an occasional, former, potential customer.
wrongway
How would it get abused? You can pay up to 15$/month at which point you make no more payments for the rest of your 30 days. If you only play for 2 weeks, you've saved half of next months game funds by not playing that extra week.
And it swiches about every 3-4 months seems like. And i think I've had my Nemisis account the longest out of all of them (a whopping 11 months)
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How would it get abused? You can pay up to 15$/month at which point you make no more payments for the rest of your 30 days. If you only play for 2 weeks, you've saved half of next months game funds by not playing that extra week.
And it swiches about every 3-4 months seems like. And i think I've had my Nemisis account the longest out of all of them (a whopping 11 months)
How abused?
Say I play only on weekends. That's all I do. All day. $1/day. Hey!! $4/month!! What a deal!! HTC would end up losing money at that rate. Why pay $15 if you're only flying a few days a month.
My bill. per hour, is around 25 cents an hour. That's between 30 and 50 hours a week. I think I play a bit too much. I'm sure some play more and some play less.
$15 gives you access. What you do with it is your business.
I don't think my local gym is going to go out of business because I'm not a member.
wrongway
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4. To put things into perspective when I was playing online sims a lot $600 to $800 a month bill was not uncommon for me.
HiTech
When I stumbled across AW on Genie, that's pretty much what my monthly bill looked like. All I have to say, thank the Gawds for student loans.
ack-ack
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Nemisis wrote:
[qutoe]It would stop once it hit 15$. And the daily/weekly rate would be more than that of the 15$/month. HTC earns more money per day/week off them, but they pay less in the end so everyones happy.[/quote]
I believe you should take a few business courses if you think everyone would be happy with this view.
Less in the end, means less for HTC. The only way I would change billing is if it was MORE in the end.
HiTech
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If you mail HTC beer you will get a discount.
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If you mail HTC beer you will get a discount.
Damn law states persons under 21 aren't allowed touch alcahol..... Well I won't see that discount for 6 more years :lol.
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Damn law states persons under 21 aren't allowed touch alcahol..... Well I won't see that discount for 6 more years :lol.
While you're out on the street corner begging for money to play AH I bet you could score a beer from one of your "peers".
:x
wrongway
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See Rule #6
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Its not the only choice we have if we get HTC to add our ideas. Were the customers, and if HTC pisses enough of us off and we quit, then Hi Tech Creations goes down the tubes. Whey else do we have a wishlist if were never going to change anything? I honestly think that the new customers who can only play for a week or two a month will make up for the profits lost by those of us who would rather pay more per week than more total.
Not everyone is rich enough to afford an alienware computer with surround sound speakers, triple head to go giving them wide screen, and a minifridge all in their private jet....
Balzy little fellow I see big career as a czar for jou!
How about $15 for the first hour and you get the rest of the month free? Or go back to Il2? Your other option is to pay for 5 months and get one free.
Or maybe we just owe you? We could tax all the private jet owners. lets set a goal of maybe only 50% paying (just like real life!!). the Capitalist subsidize the socialists who have no money. That leaves you with enough $ for beer, drugs, and twinkies.
Infdielz
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I learned this back in the aw/aol per minute charge. only reason companies have a per minute/per use charge is to get more revenue out of you than they would get for a flat rate. they know that some people will end up paying way more if they go on a per use/minute/hour/day rate because there is no tools to keep track of it or if there is they're hard to find or customer will make a mistake. I never heard of a company offering a pay per use up to their regular flat rate. and since they know that this customer wont stick around anyway they dont care how mad they get. I am glad its not like that here. I like having the 15 flat rate. I play as much or as little, but I know my true cost of playing ah is way higher. here's a breakdown. now this is a rough guesstimate and only applies to me since i only use computer/dsl/phone to play ah. I could do without it. but hey i like ah and well I get my money's worth.
phone line 25 (phone line/ds usually go together or higher charge applies for dsl only/cable cost 50/month in my area, so about the same)
dsl 30
ah 15
electricity 5 :pray
puter cost 20 (assuming i buy new/upgrade/fix/monitor computer every 3 years)
so my point of typing this is If i wanna save money, paying $1 to 15 for ah per month wont really make a difference when you actually look at the true cost. to me its worth it, but if it came to the point where I cant afford $15 then...
semp
(above doesnt include beer, chips, soda or sheep since this would be the same as if you were to watch tv)