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Title: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 09, 2009, 02:19:38 AM
Just sayin :)
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: texastc316 on October 09, 2009, 02:32:41 AM
Just sayin :)

QFT!  :salute
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Delirium on October 09, 2009, 02:54:08 AM
SAPP has quite a few gifted skinners as well.

I'm sure we can coerce, err convince one of them to do the skinning for you.    :devil
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: 1pLUs44 on October 09, 2009, 02:58:33 AM
What's the difference performance wise of that vs. the 38G? I googled it, and found some information, but nothing regarding performance.

 :salute

If it's better performance, I'm down.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: lyric1 on October 09, 2009, 03:47:57 AM
What's the difference performance wise of that vs. the 38G? I googled it, and found some information, but nothing regarding performance.

 :salute

If it's better performance, I'm down.
Surprised you have not jumped on your P63 wagon with the reasons the M was added.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: 1pLUs44 on October 09, 2009, 04:21:50 AM
Surprised you have not jumped on your P63 wagon with the reasons the M was added.
Don't get me wrong, I want the P-63, big time, but I'm happy with the Jug, and plus, HTC would have to remodel the P-39 to make it a P-63(New wing, and tail sections, not to mention 4 bladed prop, 58 rounds of 37 instead of the standard 30, and up the performance...etc)  And I'm not saying don't add the 38H, just, how does it compare to the other 38s?
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: ACE on October 09, 2009, 06:32:14 AM
gives us the turdy8 H  :D
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 09, 2009, 06:35:51 AM
I thought you'd be asking for the P-38F.  :airplane:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: uptown on October 09, 2009, 07:10:31 AM
There's no way HTC is going to give you guys the H model. You fly the other 38s too low, too slow and you always bring them back all messed up with stuff missing from them! One or two of these Pee turdy ate pile-its even have the balls to install a blender in the cockpit of their aircraft!
No sir there will be no more 38s added until you folks can take care of what you already have! :D
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Saxman on October 09, 2009, 08:02:05 AM
There's no way HTC is going to give you guys the H model. You fly the other 38s too low, too slow and you always bring them back all messed up with stuff missing from them! One or two of these Pee turdy ate pile-its even have the balls to install a blender in the cockpit of their aircraft!
No sir there will be no more 38s added until you folks can take care of what you already have! :D

You see? This is why we can't have nice things!
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Kuhn on October 09, 2009, 08:23:01 AM
There's no way HTC is going to give you guys the H model. You fly the other 38s too low, too slow and you always bring them back all messed up with stuff missing from them! One or two of these Pee turdy ate pile-its even have the balls to install a blender in the cockpit of their aircraft!
No sir there will be no more 38s added until you folks can take care of what you already have! :D

 :devil
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Westy on October 09, 2009, 09:08:47 AM
 They made the 47M perhaps they should stick with the M thing and
make the 38 with the probiscus!?

:bolt:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: waystin2 on October 09, 2009, 09:14:00 AM
Can anybody put up some information on the H?
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Soulyss on October 09, 2009, 10:14:44 AM
The H series P-38 had the same airframe as the earlier F and G models but had the Allison V-1710-F17 engines installed (same engine that later appeared in the J series).  According to the chart I'm looking at it produced 1425 HP at sea level compared to 1325 that the G's engines put out.  Weight went up a little bit as well but, but unless I'm missing something it would still be lighter than the P-38J with similar power output.

What prompted the change to the J was the leading edge wing intercoolers that were present on the early P-38's couldn't keep up with the increase in power from the newer engines which prompted the move to the deep chin you see under the props on the P-38J and L.  The new space in the wing was converted to fuel cells which is also why the J and L have longer endurance than the G does in AH.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: SunBat on October 09, 2009, 11:05:34 AM
I hereby make two simultaneous petitions to HTC.   :old:   

1.  Add the 38H

2. Remove it from the hangars of certain cartoon pile-its.  The list of these pile-its is forthcoming but I will say that several of them have posted in this very thread.   :bolt:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: hubsonfire on October 09, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
We've got enough allied bombers already, tyvm.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 09, 2009, 12:15:07 PM
H as WEP too.

ack-ack
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: yanksfan on October 09, 2009, 12:49:48 PM
Just sayin :)

double that,,,,just sayin 2 :aok
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Bruv119 on October 09, 2009, 12:51:55 PM
yup must also be pretty easy to add a spit 12  guppy  :D
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: greens on October 09, 2009, 01:12:34 PM
I want the comet!  :rock
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Squire on October 09, 2009, 01:28:13 PM
This is the only Comet you are allowed to have:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Comet
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Bear76 on October 09, 2009, 09:07:38 PM
Just sayin :)
Greedy sombiatch :D
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: TwinBoom on October 09, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
Just sayin :)

ditto another easy add/fix oboe will provide the skin im sure  :old:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: daddog on October 10, 2009, 01:12:54 PM
Quote
There's no way HTC is going to give you guys the H model. You fly the other 38s too low, too slow and you always bring them back all messed up with stuff missing from them! One or two of these Pee turdy ate pile-its even have the balls to install a blender in the cockpit of their aircraft!
No sir there will be no more 38s added until you folks can take care of what you already have!
LOL Good one. :)

Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: CAP1 on October 10, 2009, 01:27:25 PM
The H series P-38 had the same airframe as the earlier F and G models but had the Allison V-1710-F17 engines installed (same engine that later appeared in the J series).  According to the chart I'm looking at it produced 1425 HP at sea level compared to 1325 that the G's engines put out.  Weight went up a little bit as well but, but unless I'm missing something it would still be lighter than the P-38J with similar power output.

What prompted the change to the J was the leading edge wing intercoolers that were present on the early P-38's couldn't keep up with the increase in power from the newer engines which prompted the move to the deep chin you see under the props on the P-38J and L.  The new space in the wing was converted to fuel cells which is also why the J and L have longer endurance than the G does in AH.

it almost sounds like a hot rodded g. i'd be all for that!! :airplane: :bolt:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Fencer51 on October 10, 2009, 05:47:51 PM
Looks like the P-51C and P-51K would be an easy adds too!   :bolt:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: uptown on October 10, 2009, 06:23:54 PM
Looks like the P-51C and P-51K would be an easy adds too!   :bolt:
I do believe you are correct !  :rock
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Raptor on October 10, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
They made the 47M perhaps they should stick with the M thing and
make the 38 with the probiscus!?

:bolt:
Why? No night time in MA
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: A8HatTrick on October 10, 2009, 07:24:18 PM
I personally would love to see the KI43, early war is very thin for the Japanese.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: ALLEN86 on October 10, 2009, 07:59:35 PM
well since nobody went down this road yet i will    :devil

after the 38H, 51c and K, P63 ect, i suggest we add the Spit 18, ive forgotten most of the specs except 4x .50's and 4x 20mm's.

throw in the b29, put hurricanes, mossies and b25's off the carrier, and we'll have a grand old time

 :salute
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: StokesAk on October 10, 2009, 09:58:57 PM
Guppy it dont see how it is that much different if you fly a G...its gonna end up smashed in the ground somewhere.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Saxman on October 10, 2009, 10:02:50 PM
Guppy it dont see how it is that much different if you fly a G...its gonna end up smashed in the ground somewhere.

 :rofl
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Lusche on October 10, 2009, 10:43:31 PM
after the 38H, 51c and K, P63 ect, i suggest we add the Spit 18, ive forgotten most of the specs except 4x .50's and 4x 20mm's.

No, it had either 4x20mm OR the usual 2x20 + 2x .50 cal

And it did not see service in WWII.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 11, 2009, 12:26:01 AM
well since nobody went down this road yet i will    :devil

after the 38H, 51c and K, P63 ect, i suggest we add the Spit 18, ive forgotten most of the specs except 4x .50's and 4x 20mm's.

throw in the b29, put hurricanes, mossies and b25's off the carrier, and we'll have a grand old time

 :salute

Spit 18 was a postwar bird and almost identical to the low back XIV.

But this is the 38H thread anyway! :)

The point was, the 47M was easily done as an existing model existed already so it was basically tweaking the numbers on it to get it to the 47M.  Figured it would be as easy to do with the other early model 38s, with the H being first!  :aok
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: texastc316 on October 11, 2009, 12:40:01 AM

And you, Allen, can now replace my wife's cat
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: oakranger on October 11, 2009, 01:28:50 AM
P-38H.  would this be the....ummmm..... last model of the P-38 before the war ended?
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: mensa180 on October 11, 2009, 01:29:59 AM
The consortium stands behind this wish. 
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: cactuskooler on October 11, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
P-38H.  would this be the....ummmm..... last model of the P-38 before the war ended?

The H series P-38 had the same airframe as the earlier F and G models but had the Allison V-1710-F17 engines installed (same engine that later appeared in the J series).  According to the chart I'm looking at it produced 1425 HP at sea level compared to 1325 that the G's engines put out.  Weight went up a little bit as well but, but unless I'm missing something it would still be lighter than the P-38J with similar power output.

What prompted the change to the J was the leading edge wing intercoolers that were present on the early P-38's couldn't keep up with the increase in power from the newer engines which prompted the move to the deep chin you see under the props on the P-38J and L.  The new space in the wing was converted to fuel cells which is also why the J and L have longer endurance than the G does in AH.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Nisky on October 11, 2009, 10:32:21 AM
The H series P-38 had the same airframe as the earlier F and G models but had the Allison V-1710-F17 engines installed (same engine that later appeared in the J series).  According to the chart I'm looking at it produced 1425 HP at sea level compared to 1325 that the G's engines put out.  Weight went up a little bit as well but, but unless I'm missing something it would still be lighter than the P-38J with similar power output.

What prompted the change to the J was the leading edge wing inter coolers that were present on the early P-38's couldn't keep up with the increase in power from the newer engines which prompted the move to the deep chin you see under the props on the P-38J and L.  The new space in the wing was converted to fuel cells which is also why the J and L have longer endurance than the G does in AH.
Updated 1,425hp (1063-kW) V-1710-89/-91 engines powered the 375 P38-Hs, which also introduced automatic oil radiator flaps to solve a major engine overheating problem. In other respects the P-38H was essentially identical to the P-38G-10-LO, though it had B33 intsead of B-13 turbochargers.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: 2ADoc on October 11, 2009, 04:26:28 PM
AS for all the Parts that the 38 pilots are leaving all over the Arenas, call Red Bull they will buy any warbird parts, and restore them...... 
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: stodd on October 11, 2009, 05:23:59 PM
Don't get me wrong, I want the P-63, big time, but I'm happy with the Jug, and plus, HTC would have to remodel the P-39 to make it a P-63(New wing, and tail sections, not to mention 4 bladed prop, 58 rounds of 37 instead of the standard 30, and up the performance...etc)  And I'm not saying don't add the 38H, just, how does it compare to the other 38s?
Yikes big sentence. :headscratch: :neener:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: CAP1 on October 11, 2009, 11:46:35 PM
AS for all the Parts that the 38 pilots are leaving all over the Arenas, call Red Bull they will buy any warbird parts, and restore them...... 


i'll make em spend so much money, they;ll go broke
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Kazaa on October 12, 2009, 12:44:15 AM
 :banana:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Kung Fu on October 12, 2009, 09:07:26 AM
HTC needs to put out another Axis plane, the allies have plenty on the list as it is. 

Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki-100
J2M
More 190 & 109 variants

Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: vonKrimm on October 12, 2009, 09:37:10 AM
Ki-27a with 2x 7.7mm & as a variant, the Ki-27b with 1x 7.7mm + 12.7mm & bombs

Ki-43-Ic with 2x 12.7mm & as a variant, the Ki-43-IIa

As for the OP's original question: I don't see why not.  Just gotta get pyro & a skinner to agree (I heard 25yo single-malt scotch works wonders for these requests)

Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Bodhi on October 12, 2009, 09:51:02 AM
I thought you'd be asking for the P-38F.  :airplane:

Makes sense since it came along first =)
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Saxman on October 12, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
Ki-27a with 2x 7.7mm & as a variant, the Ki-27b with 1x 7.7mm + 12.7mm & bombs

Ki-43-Ic with 2x 12.7mm & as a variant, the Ki-43-IIa

As for the OP's original question: I don't see why not.  Just gotta get pyro & a skinner to agree (I heard 25yo single-malt scotch works wonders for these requests)



Check out a post I made in the Wishlist on the Zeros. You could conceivably have SIX different Ki-43 variants just with 2 models and gun packages.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Fencer51 on October 12, 2009, 10:52:33 AM
HTC needs to put out another Axis plane, the allies have plenty on the list as it is. 

Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki-100
J2M
More 190 & 109 variants

Ya know for the 6th post he has made since 2005, that is a pretty darn good post.  :aok
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: RufusLeaking on October 12, 2009, 12:24:32 PM
While we are working the wish lists, here are a few early war birds I’d like to see:

Fokker D.XXI
Reggiane Re.2002
Fiat G.50
Dewoitine D.520
Morane-Saulnier M.S. 406
Nakajima Ki-43
Nakajima Ki-27

Yes, EW birds are hangar queens.  Probably not worth the time to model when weighed against the amount of flight time these would get outside scenarios.


An interesting footnote is how many of the above were flown by the Finnish AF:

Fokker D.XXI
Fiat G.50
Morane-Saulnier M.S. 406

How did those guys get parts?


More in line with the OP, here are a few variants I’d like to see:

Ju-87G (?) with the big anti tank cannons
F2A (Brewster 139)
A-26
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Saxman on October 12, 2009, 12:31:54 PM
Technically we already have the F2A, via a gun package option on the B-239. (3x.50cal + 1 .30cal). There's a VMF-221 skin coming out for it.
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: AWwrgwy on October 12, 2009, 01:04:54 PM
OK, so the P-38H looks like a P-38G and performs like a P-38J?

It needs to be added why?  Fly the G for looks or the J for its performance.?


wrongway
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Lazerr on October 12, 2009, 01:11:29 PM
I want both :banana:
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: Shuffler on October 12, 2009, 02:59:17 PM
I want both :banana:

Well wooopteedoo....
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t104/megncali/OH-dot-com/banana.gif)
Title: Re: This does mean we can just as easily have the 38H too right?
Post by: mensa180 on October 12, 2009, 03:30:24 PM
Bring

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6742/38hporkyiib.png)

to AH!