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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flipperk on October 15, 2009, 04:37:44 PM
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well guys today played out crappy, I work at a bank and we are under signed oath of not revealing any conf. information to anyone besides the account holders.
Well, this women walks up and says "Hi, I need to make a deposit to my daughters account" I say ok, do you have the account number or name?
She gives me the account number, i find it and I noticed that the account was closed off due to overcharges.
After verifing the ID she was indeed the mother, I told her that the account was closed off and that the daughter needs to come in and take care of the charges, we could not make any deposits into the account
She asked how much does she owe the bank, and this is where I blew it.
I told her how much the account was charged off.
Now I was just trying to help out, but I did violate the conf. agreement that I signed when i took the job 2 months ago ( I am still a new employee)
At the time I thought to myself that I probably should not have said that.
2 hours later we get a call from the daughter, and she is furious. (Sounded like a bimbo, saying like every 3 words)
She says we violated her rights and that she needed to speak with the manager, cussing, ect. So my manager calls me and says that she couldn't believe I told her that and that if she went to corporate with the complaint there was nothing she could do to save me.
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Now I am still a new employee what are the chances of me getting fired compared to a warning?
Also if i do get fired because of this, what are the chances of getting another job at a bank or financial institution? Maybe not even listing my current job on my resume?
Thoughts or comments?
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I wish you the best, but it sounds like you may be thrown under the bus. Most places look at saving face rather than going to bat for their employees. You could always use the argument that it was the mother of the account holder. The only reason the daughter got so bent out of shape is because her mother probably reamed her good.
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Not good to hear. But understandable.
Being new it might be put down to poor training. If the girl pushes it, you'll probably get your walking papers.
As for getting a job at another bank. I don't think it would keep you from getting a job. Another bank might write it off as poor training too.
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It dont look good from any angle man.
you violated the #1 rule- cust privacy. Your new and if it was just about any other kind of work you would probably get a slap on the wrist...you might still just get that HOWEVER, you signed a confidentiality agreement. So basically you cant claim that its because your new. In my new job I signed something similer and I can not discuss the system we use or what exactly we find about a individual ie. who it was, what they did ect.
Your new so it may seem like its no big deal but it really is, any business like a bank would loose all credibility with customers over this kind of thing.
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That would be an HR decision but my wife says it's grounds for immediate dismissal!
Yes she's a banker and takes customer confidence as the utmost responsibility.
On the other hand being new you may get off with a warning and permanent blot on your record.
:salute
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I pretty much already accepted the fact of being fired, however my next concern would be about getting any other job with banks or financial institutions
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How old is the daughter and is the account still possibly in her/her mothers name?
I have a checking account that still bears my parents names that's remained opened with a small balance since I was about 9 years old. I used it in college because they could make deposits easily and if the mother can make deposits into the account you may not have done anything wrong.
Beyond that being honest and up front with your superiors is the only way to go. Be proactive in taking the issue to them and if you asked to see the mothers ID to verify she was who she says she was that's another item to take into account. Short of that they may allow you to resign possibly in good standing as opposed to being involuntarily terminated which shouldn't be an issue.
Don't try to hide this experience in your future job search. The future employers will find out and I'd terminate you because you lied or tried to lie about your work history. I've done it before when an employee lied about an incident that I viewed as nothing but a good learning experience. When I asked about the situation it was with the intention to provide additional training and support that if you do the job (line service) long enough you'll put airplanes together on accident. Instead he lied to me and ruined my trust in him resulting in his termination. To make a short story long, don't lie about it.
Good luck however it shakes out.
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How old is the daughter and is the account still possibly in her/her mothers name?
I have a checking account that still bears my parents names that's remained opened with a small balance since I was about 9 years old. I used it in college because they could make deposits easily and if the mother can make deposits into the account you may not have done anything wrong.
Beyond that being honest and up front with your superiors is the only way to go. Be proactive in taking the issue to them and if you asked to see the mothers ID to verify she was who she says she was that's another item to take into account. Short of that they may allow you to resign possibly in good standing as opposed to being involuntarily terminated which shouldn't be an issue.
Don't try to hide this experience in your future job search. The future employers will find out and I'd terminate you because you lied or tried to lie about your work history. I've done it before when an employee lied about an incident that I viewed as nothing but a good learning experience. When I asked about the situation it was with the intention to provide additional training and support that if you do the job (line service) long enough you'll put airplanes together on accident. Instead he lied to me and ruined my trust in him resulting in his termination. To make a short story long, don't lie about it.
Good luck however it shakes out.
Thats what Im thinking. And yes, I already checked to see about whos on the account, it was just the daughter from what I could see.
It just sucks, I was just trying to help out but I do understand what I did was a big no no.
Ill be honest with my future employers, your right golfer, best thing to do...im still pretty young, still a learning experience...did not die :D
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still a learning experience...did not die :D
That right there is the thing to keep in mind. It sucks but at least you didn't die or cause death because of it.
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I wouldn't worry about future employment. EEOC regs allow people to ask if you worked there, when, and would they re-hire you. They of course will say they won't re-hire you but the potential employer cannot ask why. If they do ask why and that question is answered, you may feel free to hire any contingency attorney and sue them into next week. My suggestion, as VP of sales and an interviewer of sales folks, is to do the following:
1) Update your resume as normal
2) When asked why you were at your last position for such a short period, answer honestly that you believed you were dealing with a concerned mother...any reasonable person would want to help a concerned mother....the reasonable man test is passed. DO NOT LIE about it.
They will KNOW that you understand the confidentiality issues at this point...you got fired for it so that isn't going to be an issue in the future.
This probably worries them from a identity theft perspective as well...the daughter is an idiot for having her bank account closed for overdraft excesses....if she is that broke, she will sue the bank anyway. That is a crappy lawyer's nirvana...taking that position, you may want to tell your boss that..."we are probably going to be sued anyway...why not put me through additional training, work up an new confidentiality agreement to sign and that will be the actions that the judge sees that you have taken". It probably won't work but its infinitely less expensive than interviewing, hiring, and training a new employee.
You will be fine sir....it might not hurt to resign either...do it now and write a resignation letter that you can show to your next employer. That way you were NOT fired. If they ask why you resigned, be honest...you were manipulated by a customer with malicious intent and didn't want to be a casualty of the bank's lack of understanding the situation.
In truth, you didn't actually violate your contract if I am reading this correctly. Technically, the daughter was not a customer of the bank...the bank closed her account. What is the definition of a "customer"...does your contract say "past and current customer's" or just customer. Perhaps that technicality will allow your supervisor to take PAUSE before letting you go...after all, depending upon the language in the contract, the bank might be getting sued by the daughter AND by you for an unjustified release. Now, if you live in a right-to-work state like Texas, employers can fire you at will, and without reason.
Good luck to you,
Changeup
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The problem isnt you or the mother its a wussified bank manager (that wants to cover her butt and blame you) and a derelict ex-customer. As a manager I would have taken your report of the incident and passed it along 'upstairs' where they would probably notify the legal department.
Now that you know she is like this you probably want to seek other employment anyway.
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in great numbers and with and number of lawyers. :eek:
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Lawyers? Where is the damages? I'm not a lawyer but what damages could they seek? You can't just sue. You have to demonstrate harm.
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emotional distress is harm enough to sue........ happens successfully everyday
when she opened the account at the bank they were required by law to maintain her confidentiality, (with some exceptions such as debt collection etc)
by breaking this agreement they caused her emotional distress..... as evidenced by her contacting the bank upset
obviously her mother questioned her on the debts and they had an argument which encited her enough to call the bank
as for any damages its highly unlikely she would be compensated in any meaningful amount......... the most likely scenario will be that the bank will writeoff the amount she is overdrawn and the whole thing will go away
edit: and you will be fired no matter what happens
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Lawyers? Where is the damages? I'm not a lawyer but what damages could they seek? You can't just sue. You have to demonstrate harm.
You can sue anyone for anything. At least in this nitwit US civil system.
Personaly I think the daughter is a rat. I would never cause such a fuss to get sombody fired like that. It was a mistake and needed to be corrected by why hurt the guy like that, "yeah I can tell this poster is scared".
At least thats how I feel. I dont believe in hurting a persons employment status unless its a very serious beef.
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Your only hope is too call the girl and invite her to your pad, where you get her so high she forgets all about it. Oh wait thats what you should do it's only a bank job. Most tellers only make 10-20$ an hour, I'm sure you can do better anyway. If you really want another bank job just don't list them as a reference. I've gotten away with not listing just because I couldnt remember my previous employers info.
You'll be fine, have a drink, have a drive, go out and find a fun job.
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Worked at National City Banks Corporate Ops center for a number of years.... I'll never work in banking(or any other corporation)again.... Nothing but corporate tools looking to get ahead on the backs of others.. You're boss sounds like she may be one of them.... I wouldn't sweat it.... Teller jobs are a dime a dozen..
If you want to make more money, try getting into operations.... However again, be wary of the corporate tools..
Best of luck! :aok
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Hell, you're going to get fired anyhow, so the day after you get fired take out a full-page ad in a newspaper explaining the story. Leave out her name, but give her Mom's name... You don't have any privacy obligation to her Mom do you? :)
More seriously, the advice hidden up in the thread might be good... If you take a "rehab" plan to your boss, you might survive. Celebrities survive things worse than this all the time by simply crying a bit on tv and going to therapy, so maybe taking a company-sponsored course or something will be enough.
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The world needs ditch diggers too.
I'll let you use my backup shovel.
We start at 7 am.
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On the 'resign' thing: if you resign you will not qualify for unemployment insurance.
If they ask for your resignation, tell them to fire you.
Companies and bean counters love it when someone resigns .. that releases them from any and all obligations.
If any HR interview type asks, be entirely up front about what happened.
There are better jobs all around, it just takes awhile to find a good one.
Craigs list, Inet, word of mouth, networking with friends ..its all good.
..and yes.. if a manager/supervisor said they couldnt back me up, I'd be lookin for another job *that* day.
'Oh by the way, I am takin the afternoon off to explore my options, later' .. works well.
-GE aka Frank
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I called up my previous employer (left on GREAT terms) and he said he would love to have me back if i really needed the job.
So I have fall back job in place just in case I get the walk of fame.
Will stick around as long as I can, I for some reason believe she willl not get ahold of corporate on the matter. If someone can't complete one sentence without saying "Like" and "Ok" 57 times I doubt they have the brain power to talk to the right people for this.
Side note, the daughter is 19 years old....
brat
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On the 'resign' thing: if you resign you will not qualify for unemployment insurance.
If they ask for your resignation, tell them to fire you.
Companies and bean counters love it when someone resigns .. that releases them from any and all obligations.
It would be a long uphill battle to fight for unemployment benefits in this situation. The bank is on solid grounds to terminate employment and coin-toss or worse odds of getting paid (I don't know the laws of his state well enough to say one way or the other) aren't exactly ideal.
-Someone who fought a 6 month battle for UE benefits that turned out successful but doesn't want to do it again.
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I wouldn't worry about future employment. EEOC regs allow people to ask if you worked there, when, and would they re-hire you. They of course will say they won't re-hire you but the potential employer cannot ask why. If they do ask why and that question is answered, you may feel free to hire any contingency attorney and sue them into next week. My suggestion, as VP of sales and an interviewer of sales folks, is to do the following:
1) Update your resume as normal
2) When asked why you were at your last position for such a short period, answer honestly that you believed you were dealing with a concerned mother...any reasonable person would want to help a concerned mother....the reasonable man test is passed. DO NOT LIE about it.
They will KNOW that you understand the confidentiality issues at this point...you got fired for it so that isn't going to be an issue in the future.
This probably worries them from a identity theft perspective as well...the daughter is an idiot for having her bank account closed for overdraft excesses....if she is that broke, she will sue the bank anyway. That is a crappy lawyer's nirvana...taking that position, you may want to tell your boss that..."we are probably going to be sued anyway...why not put me through additional training, work up an new confidentiality agreement to sign and that will be the actions that the judge sees that you have taken". It probably won't work but its infinitely less expensive than interviewing, hiring, and training a new employee.
You will be fine sir....it might not hurt to resign either...do it now and write a resignation letter that you can show to your next employer. That way you were NOT fired. If they ask why you resigned, be honest...you were manipulated by a customer with malicious intent and didn't want to be a casualty of the bank's lack of understanding the situation.
In truth, you didn't actually violate your contract if I am reading this correctly. Technically, the daughter was not a customer of the bank...the bank closed her account. What is the definition of a "customer"...does your contract say "past and current customer's" or just customer. Perhaps that technicality will allow your supervisor to take PAUSE before letting you go...after all, depending upon the language in the contract, the bank might be getting sued by the daughter AND by you for an unjustified release. Now, if you live in a right-to-work state like Texas, employers can fire you at will, and without reason.
Good luck to you,
Changeup
I wish you were right about this one, but sorry to say no this is not correct.
Customers would include all current and past customers, just because an account is closed does not mean it goes away. All accounts opened or closed is still stored in the database with all of their information still on it for as long as the bank is in buisness.
Still no call from the manager, the bank has been opened for 3 hours now, I go in in 2 hours.
Either HR is slow with processing this, or the girl never called...
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emotional distress is harm enough to sue........ happens successfully everyday
when she opened the account at the bank they were required by law to maintain her confidentiality, (with some exceptions such as debt collection etc)
by breaking this agreement they caused her emotional distress..... as evidenced by her contacting the bank upset
obviously her mother questioned her on the debts and they had an argument which incited her enough to call the bank
as for any damages its highly unlikely she would be compensated in any meaningful amount......... the most likely scenario will be that the bank will writeoff the amount she is overdrawn and the whole thing will go away
edit: and you will be fired no matter what happens
Sue the meddling mommy not the bank.
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Working in a bank is like being a male nurse, tell them you want your pride more than their crappy paying job.
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I called up my previous employer (left on GREAT terms) and he said he would love to have me back if i really needed the job.
So I have fall back job in place just in case I get the walk of fame.
Will stick around as long as I can, I for some reason believe she willl not get ahold of corporate on the matter. If someone can't complete one sentence without saying "Like" and "Ok" 57 times I doubt they have the brain power to talk to the right people for this.
Side note, the daughter is 19 years old....
brat
ok like seriously this is like the second time youve like given out um like my information ok and like your seriously going to regret the doing this for like the second time...ok.... seriously :bolt:
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ok like seriously this is like the second time youve like given out um like my information ok and like your seriously going to regret the doing this for like the second time...ok.... seriously :bolt:
Thats exactly how she sounded :lol
and im not giving any personal information out here...there are millions of 19 year females in the US...good luck finding this one :)
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Thats exactly how she sounded :lol
and im not giving any personal information out here...there are millions of 19 year females in the US...good luck finding this one :)
If we find her, should we hit it?
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If we find her, should we hit it?
I would :aok
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should we hit it?
Everything in life and the universe, all boils down to this simple question...
Good luck bro. If you were my employee, I'd keep you on board, mostly because you just got a huge amount of training...
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Golfer dood .. if you resign you get -zero- from unemployment ..they regard that as quitting a job voluntarily.
If you are fired or laid off, you go down and apply that day, it takes about two weeks to get your first check.
That has been my experience in the past 40 years.. latest being the utter fiasco at Freedom Plaza (a long term 'care' -and I use that term very loosely- facility)
I dont know why you had to fight for Unemployment bennies .. I have never had to if I was laid off or fired.
Only been fired once in my life, workin Survey crew long ago..
..slept in one too many days my first summer out of high school
.. was a wake up call ..er . . so to speak :)
-Frank aka GE
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Not good to hear. But understandable.
Being new it might be put down to poor training. If the girl pushes it, you'll probably get your walking papers.
As for getting a job at another bank. I don't think it would keep you from getting a job. Another bank might write it off as poor training too.
Yes, and the old bank can't really say much bad about you without exposing themselves to risk of litigation. Any more, we look at a ref giving no comment as a bad ref.
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I wouldn't worry about future employment. EEOC regs allow people to ask if you worked there, when, and would they re-hire you. They of course will say they won't re-hire you but the potential employer cannot ask why. If they do ask why and that question is answered, you may feel free to hire any contingency attorney and sue them into next week.
I hate that law. It protects thieves and deadbeats. Major issue these days. To get around that we require new hires to fill out a form and if anything at any time is found to be false or left out, it is reason for dismissal.
Now, if you live in a right-to-work state like Texas, employers can fire you at will, and without reason.
Just to clarify... They can also require you to do your job correctly and demand quality. Things that often fail in states unionized.
I don't think he has anything to fret about. There are a lot of banks. Mark this down as a learning experience on his way to the top. If it was easy... everyone would do it.
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I don't think he has anything to fret about. There are a lot of banks. Mark this down as a learning experience on his way to the top. If it was easy... everyone would do it.
Not for the pittance they pay bank tellers...no friggin way...I'd rather dig ditches for that pay.
If little "miss you got me in trouble with my mother and i want you fired" does anything more than squeak as she already has...I'd be surprised. You do want to make sure the bank manager knows the full details of the situation and the circumstances, if you have a corporate HR officer you can contact that might be a good idea if your boss thinks it will help...the "over draft squeaker" will most likely end up coming back to the bank with her mommy to get her account back in order sometime soon.
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Golfer dood .. if you resign you get -zero- from unemployment ..they regard that as quitting a job voluntarily.
If you are fired or laid off, you go down and apply that day, it takes about two weeks to get your first check.
That has been my experience in the past 40 years.. latest being the utter fiasco at Freedom Plaza (a long term 'care' -and I use that term very loosely- facility)
-Frank aka GE
He mentioned that he is new employee, is he eligible for unemployment?
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He would most likely be drawing off his last job, depending on which quarter he would fall into depending on the Base Year of the Claim, they have there "formula" depending on which state.
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Relax, no one gets fired on fridays. Monday is where they get ya.
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Golfer dood .. if you resign you get -zero- from unemployment ..they regard that as quitting a job voluntarily.
If you are fired or laid off, you go down and apply that day, it takes about two weeks to get your first check.
That has been my experience in the past 40 years.. latest being the utter fiasco at Freedom Plaza (a long term 'care' -and I use that term very loosely- facility)
I dont know why you had to fight for Unemployment bennies .. I have never had to if I was laid off or fired.
Only been fired once in my life, workin Survey crew long ago..
..slept in one too many days my first summer out of high school
.. was a wake up call ..er . . so to speak :)
-Frank aka GE
It's a long story I won't get into but I was fired from a slimeball company once upon a time and had to fight 6 months to receive my unemployment benefits. I won, cleared my name and moved on with life successfully. There was much more to it but the meeting I went to expecting a promotion resulted in a termination letter. Took me by surprise to say the least.
If he's going to get fired for being in violation of their confidentiality agreement (not a stretch to willful misconduct depending on the definitions/precedents of his state) which is something he knew about as he signed it the bank, depending on the laws of his state, has a very good case of contesting his UE benefits successfully. If he's not going to get the benefits in the first place then there's nothing at all to show for allowing them to fire you. If I'm not going to receive benefits and I know it I'd rather resign than be fired.
Again it's up to him to do his homework and make his own decision. My experience and advice are worth exactly what was paid.
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Flipperk, just kind of wondering how things are going.
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I hate that law. It protects thieves and deadbeats. Major issue these days. To get around that we require new hires to fill out a form and if anything at any time is found to be false or left out, it is reason for dismissal.
Just to clarify... They can also require you to do your job correctly and demand quality. Things that often fail in states unionized.
I don't think he has anything to fret about. There are a lot of banks. Mark this down as a learning experience on his way to the top. If it was easy... everyone would do it.
i've gotten calls at the shop i used to run. prospective employer telling me that so n so listed me as a reference.
my response was " i dunno why he'd be that stupid".
that usually ended the conversation....and then got me a phone call from the dude...wanting to know what i told the prospective employer. :devil
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i've gotten calls at the shop i used to run. prospective employer telling me that so n so listed me as a reference.
my response was " i dunno why he'd be that stupid".
that usually ended the conversation....and then got me a phone call from the dude...wanting to know what i told the prospective employer. :devil
I told one of my old employees (that I fired) that he'd be better off saying that he spent the last 2 years in prison than saying that he worked for me for that time.
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He mentioned that he is new employee, is he eligible for unemployment?
In Texas he would most likely be.
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I told one of my old employees (that I fired) that he'd be better off saying that he spent the last 2 years in prison than saying that he worked for me for that time.
With certain individuals I have simply not answered but gave a good laugh as I hung up the phone. I suppose it could have gone badly but it never did.
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The problem is, every American thinks they are every other American's boss at every juncture, and if they are dissatisfied they will push as hard as they can to get their fellow American fired on the spot.
When I tended bar and managed a restaurant during grad school, I probably dodged getting fired a dozen times. People suck. One guy threw a punch at me as I was "escorting" his drunk arse out the door. I pushed him and ducked.... he broke his hand on the door. He sued the company and attempted to get me fired. Neither outcome worked out well for him, but it wasn't for lack of effort, let me tell you. He even offered to drop the lawsuit against the company, if they would fire me. They did neither, and he glared at me every weekend he came in....... lol.
The best: I had a guy ask me to fire his server on the spot, who he knew (and told me) was "in the weeds" and extremely busy, for not bringing him his refill. When I pointed out, there was a full beer in front of him, he looked at it like we had Star Trek transported it there. I had watched his server put the drink on the table, while he glared at her, as she served the other guests. Then he motioned for me.... LOL.
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I told one of my old employees (that I fired) that he'd be better off saying that he spent the last 2 years in prison than saying that he worked for me for that time.
Question is, if he was that bad, how did he work for you for 2 years?
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Question is, if he was that bad, how did he work for you for 2 years?
Methamphetamines are the downfall of many great people. Our current day plague IMO.
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So monday came and went, nothing.
My manager is acting like nothing happened, and is making plans with me to further my position at the bank.
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:aok
Glad to hear. Maybe time for a :cheers:
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Perfect. We're all tested and make mistakes. You seemed to have learned a lesson and don't repeat it. Best wishes to your success at whatever you choose to do.
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So monday came and went, nothing.
My manager is acting like nothing happened, and is making plans with me to further my position at the bank.
Hooray. Good to hear. Mark it down as a lesson learned.
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Sheesh, your just not trying hard enough are ya - go kick her door open, staple her to her desk by the hair, slap her backside red, all the time shouting "I hate this job" :O :D
errr hold on, no, thats not what this thread is for is it, glad to hear your not being fired fella. Best of luck for the future.
Wurzel
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my response was " i dunno why he'd be that stupid".
Is that legal?
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Is that legal?
Not even close to it.
All they're supposed to be able to ask boils down to did he/she work there for the time period stated. I have an employer on my record where we separated on extremely bad terms officially. Unofficially I still have a lot of friends and to their credit the HR people have been professional when it came to inquiries about my employment history there and it has not caused any headaches with prospective employers since then. That place also gave me several TMAAT (Tell me about a time) stories I use on interviews which give a background on the kind of place it was.
If he's being used as a reference and I'm not picking up the sarcasm that's one thing. I read it a few times and I'm pretty sure it's not tongue in cheek.
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Is that legal?
yes.....because i didn't make a comment directly about him.
i can't say something like " he's late all the time", unless i'm directly asked that question.
legally, i can only say how his work was.
but reality is that in each of our respective communities(or professions) we build reputations. i've never had trouble finding work, because of this. others have.
i will not lie to someone about "mr smith" saying he's good, if he sucks.
there's always ways around things like that.
right now, my old boss...the guy i worked for just before i got this place......he asked me if i knew the dude he has working for him now......and he kinda regrets hiring the dude.
i've been nice enough to not say i told ya so.
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Not even close to it.
All they're supposed to be able to ask boils down to did he/she work there for the time period stated. I have an employer on my record where we separated on extremely bad terms officially. Unofficially I still have a lot of friends and to their credit the HR people have been professional when it came to inquiries about my employment history there and it has not caused any headaches with prospective employers since then. That place also gave me several TMAAT (Tell me about a time) stories I use on interviews which give a background on the kind of place it was.
If he's being used as a reference and I'm not picking up the sarcasm that's one thing. I read it a few times and I'm pretty sure it's not tongue in cheek.
nah........if the guy was a good guy, then i'll say that laughing friendly like. if he's not, then i say that with a serious enough overtone, that they guy on the other end gets the point.
i'm not the only one, and i'm not going to have someone think i'm a schmuck, 'cause i said a guy was ok, when he wasn't.
automotive is tough..........and i'm honest to a fault.....it's why i'm not getting rich from this....and why i don't have many friends. my customers appreciate my honesty though, as do my former employers.
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You don't have to say anything and you're not even supposed to say why.
He worked here from MM/YY to MM/YY and I would/would not rehire him.
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i will not lie to someone about "mr smith" saying he's good, if he sucks.
I don't doubt your intentions nor your integrity, but I've done/do a lot of risk management work, and you can get sued for not sticking to the "script" that Golfer posted.
For whatever its worth.
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I don't doubt your intentions nor your integrity, but I've done/do a lot of risk management work, and you can get sued for not sticking to the "script" that Golfer posted.
For whatever its worth.
it's worth a lot. there's some on here who're worth listening to....you and golfer being a couple of them.
my point is that assume you're the guy calling me to ask about john. i let you know indirectly that john sucks, steals etc........you're going to be pretty appreciative of that, so you're obviously not gonna say anything. you're also gonna cover your own but, and find another reason to not hire him...........so not gonna say anything to him either.
it's pretty close to an un-enforceable law.
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It isn't a law, it is just a risk of being sued.
My last employer will not provide anything other than confirmation of the dates of my employment even though I did a good job and left on good terms. The same is true of the guy who was fired and kicked the front door out as he left.
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It's never so much about making a mistake as it is how people handle that mistake. If it comes to the worse just be honest with your next employer. They have all made mistakes I assure you.
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It's never so much about making a mistake as it is how people handle that mistake. If it comes to the worse just be honest with your next employer. They have all made mistakes I assure you.
EXCELLENT POINT.
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So monday came and went, nothing.
My manager is acting like nothing happened, and is making plans with me to further my position at the bank.
Maybe she just needs a little after hours training session with you in her office behind closed curtains and doors...Be sure to film it for liability sake just in case she decides to fire you after furthering your position in the bank.
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You don't have to say anything and you're not even supposed to say why.
He worked here from MM/YY to MM/YY and I would/would not rehire him.
Exactly.
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Not even close to it.
All they're supposed to be able to ask boils down to did he/she work there for the time period stated. I have an employer on my record where we separated on extremely bad terms officially. Unofficially I still have a lot of friends and to their credit the HR people have been professional when it came to inquiries about my employment history there and it has not caused any headaches with prospective employers since then. That place also gave me several TMAAT (Tell me about a time) stories I use on interviews which give a background on the kind of place it was.
If he's being used as a reference and I'm not picking up the sarcasm that's one thing. I read it a few times and I'm pretty sure it's not tongue in cheek.
yes.....because i didn't make a comment directly about him.
i can't say something like " he's late all the time", unless i'm directly asked that question.
legally, i can only say how his work was.
but reality is that in each of our respective communities(or professions) we build reputations. i've never had trouble finding work, because of this. others have.
i will not lie to someone about "mr smith" saying he's good, if he sucks.
there's always ways around things like that.
right now, my old boss...the guy i worked for just before i got this place......he asked me if i knew the dude he has working for him now......and he kinda regrets hiring the dude.
i've been nice enough to not say i told ya so.
The only people that can ask your past employment about you (AND I MEAN ASKED EVERYTHING) is the federal government. They will asked why you left and want details.
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We are all only Human and make mistakes. That's all I have to say about that. :old:
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Well...its been a while now....how is going at this point?
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Still have a job at this point :aok
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Great. Now let's file this one away as a dead thread.
You're a lucky little so-and-so.
Note to self, if I'm going to run afoul of some corporate policy, always be sure to offend the clueless skank in the arrangement. She was probably too stupid/too busy leasing all holes and getting wasted to act on her idle threats. Don't worry about her, she's like a bowling ball - she gets picked up, fingered, and thrown in the gutter. No, wait, that's unfair. She's more like a doorknob - everybody gets a turn. No, wait, I misspoke. She's mor elike Peanut Butter - she spreads for bread.
I kill myself. File under 3rd grade humor.
THAT'S the real lesson of this episode. Choosing the most despicable enemy can make all the difference. It's the only thing that kept the Republicans afloat all these years, after all.
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Great. Now let's file this one away as a dead thread.
You're a lucky little so-and-so.
Note to self, if I'm going to run afoul of some corporate policy, always be sure to offend the clueless skank in the arrangement. She was probably too stupid/too busy leasing all holes and getting wasted to act on her idle threats. Don't worry about her, she's like a bowling ball - she gets picked up, fingered, and thrown in the gutter. No, wait, that's unfair. She's more like a doorknob - everybody gets a turn. No, wait, I misspoke. She's mor elike Peanut Butter - she spreads for bread.
I kill myself. File under 3rd grade humor.
THAT'S the real lesson of this episode. Choosing the most despicable enemy can make all the difference. It's the only thing that kept the Republicans afloat all these years, after all.
i think more likely file under "dummy gets himself PNG'd"
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Still have a job at this point :aok
So next time...
...if you come across anything like this again, let your manager know RIGHT away that there might be issues. As a manager, I hate surprises, but if I have the details on one side of the story before the others present theirs, I can often defuse the situation because I sound like I know what's going on, and it makes me trust my staff even more if they share 'uh oh' moments...
If your manager hasn't brought it up, bring it up. Explain everything, in detail. If he/she fires you on the stop, F*&# em. Good leaders love proactive and transparent employees. If they're a bad leader/manager, they'll throw a fit - which means you probably don't want to work there anyways. Consider it a good test of their leadership skills and how the bank values their employees.
As always, learn from your mistakes. I give my staff members a lot digression when crap like this happens. For them to be proactive helps diffuse the situation quickly. Imagine what a different conversation would of happened if YOUR manager called the daughter about her mother poking about her account and that was communicated to both parties?
Mom: how much does my kid owe?
You: I can tell you, but we will have to let her know that we told you the amount and that you inquired about her balance.
Mom: never mind.
And if you help your manager keep out of trouble, they'll be more willing to trust you with more responsibility. At least a GOOD manager will. It's a two-way street - you find out what they're like and vice-versa.
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So next time...
...if you come across anything like this again, let your manager know RIGHT away that there might be issues. As a manager, I hate surprises, but if I have the details on one side of the story before the others present theirs, I can often defuse the situation because I sound like I know what's going on, and it makes me trust my staff even more if they share 'uh oh' moments...
If your manager hasn't brought it up, bring it up. Explain everything, in detail. If he/she fires you on the stop, F*&# em. Good leaders love proactive and transparent employees. If they're a bad leader/manager, they'll throw a fit - which means you probably don't want to work there anyways. Consider it a good test of their leadership skills and how the bank values their employees.
As always, learn from your mistakes. I give my staff members a lot digression when crap like this happens. For them to be proactive helps diffuse the situation quickly. Imagine what a different conversation would of happened if YOUR manager called the daughter about her mother poking about her account and that was communicated to both parties?
Mom: how much does my kid owe?
You: I can tell you, but we will have to let her know that we told you the amount and that you inquired about her balance.
Mom: never mind.
And if you help your manager keep out of trouble, they'll be more willing to trust you with more responsibility. At least a GOOD manager will. It's a two-way street - you find out what they're like and vice-versa.
This is good general work policy advice.
I like to think of the "more senior" here at the Big Lazy F as the customer. Remember that the customer is always right and strive to give the customer what he wants. That's the basis for the trade relationship. Beyond that, it'd be easy to summarize much of the above as "honesty is the best policy". Neither commit an untruth nor omit a truth - and in timely fashion. PEople forget that the business relationship is conditional and a repeated series of interactions - thus morally demanding if to be maintained.
One my Dad picked up from dentistry that I carry in the corporate world is "inform before you perform". This was more critical when I was a consultant but is still useful now especially when I harbor doubts about what I'm about to do. The business world doesn't much value the hard liquor statement, "hey, watch this". I know a guy who did that on the test track and ended up hanging from the floor like a smoked hock of pork.
Some day, when your career is well established and you've got a full collection of commitments, you will find yourself dreaming of having enough time to be a cartoon fighter pilot...
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i think more likely file under "dummy gets himself PNG'd"
Sure, and probably the same for me with that kind of post.
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Just make sure not to take any EEOC behavioral advice from P J Godzilla....his female "slants" have an "AVOID AT ALL COSTS IN THE WORKPLACE" tone to them! :lol
Glad to hear your are still in the world of the employeed.....a lot aren't that lucky and they didn't do a thing.
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I wish you the best, but it sounds like you may be thrown under the bus. Most places look at saving face rather than going to bat for their employees. You could always use the argument that it was the mother of the account holder. The only reason the daughter got so bent out of shape is because her mother probably reamed her good.
Most smartassed teens these days would be gettign drug tested by their parents if they found out their "darling's savings acount drained and over-drafted... yeah, I'd say she was a little pissed off from only screwing herself over. And if she's not 18, you're 100% in the clear here since she'd be a legal guardian still (I'd play it off that spin "I though her daughter was under 18".).
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The ex-presidents are surfers.
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The ex-presidents are surfers.
And Johnny Utah was one bad bellybutton quarterback...
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