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Title: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Grayeagle on October 19, 2009, 12:11:42 PM
If anyone here got really sucked into moving counters around a map in the old board war games (yes, .. I did)
…oh my is this one a treat.

Like Avalon Hill’’s ‘Eastern Front’ of long ago ..this one is even more epic in scale.
You literally can control everything ..or give it to the AI and just run what you want, and switch the AI on and off if you want to do something like declare war on Romania ..they were so asking for it!

Division level, can combine brigades any way you like to make up to 4 brigades into a Division or run a brigade seperately
Same with Squadrons ..can operate separately or as an Air Wing
Yes … I got very much into it, running Germany from 1936 up thru the battle for Poland (so far)

Scrapped navy waste of time, focused entirely on production-infantry-armor-single and twin tactical air force in that order.
Jet engine development I began in 1936 –evil grin- ..ima have me some 262’s as soon as possible.

Can choose division level commanders by abilities ..ie: don’t have a Panzer Leader running your infantry division
The AI does failry well at matching them up if you don’t want to make sure Rommel is runnin a tank division

I will be into this awhile .. even WoW has been stuffed into a closet for a bit :)

-Frank aka GE
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Nefarious on October 19, 2009, 12:45:37 PM
I have Hearts of Iron 2.

Fun game, very addictive.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: druski85 on October 19, 2009, 12:48:37 PM
I enjoy HOI 2 more, but both are very good in their own right. 

Original HOI allowed for some crazy technology scenarios. 
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: SuBWaYCH on October 19, 2009, 02:46:41 PM
I own this as well, and with germany I created a naval super power once:

5 SH Battleships (Berlin, Dresden, Bitburg, Hamburg and Munich) Account for 8 Capital kills, 3 of which being carriers (all British) and 3 BB's, and 2 Heavy cruisers.

4 Battleships (Bismark, Tirpitz, Freidriech der Grobe, Erich Raeder) All ships combined account for 9 capital kills ( 2 carriers, 2 BB's, a BC (Dunkerque), and 4 heavy cruisers.

9 Battlecruisers (Scharnhorst being my top killer in the entire navy, with 4 Capital ships and 9 escorts claimed to its name

6 Heavy Cruisers (Use as support to the SH BB)

21 Light Cruisers (7 have sunk so far, but i rebuild a ship in its place as soon as I lose one)

15 Destroyers (4 of which i"ve lost, but rebuilt)

16 U-boats (XXI class mostly, with a few VII class as well, I have electric torpedo's researched) :)

4 Transports (for ferrying around those important marines for naval landings)


I also researched all infantry techs to 1942 by 1938 and pretty much rolled over poland in a few days, and let the italians break the southern line of france, where I then made my move. My navy now rolls almost unoposed through the channel and the coast of england, with minimal air attacks.

I also allied Hungary with myself early so taking Poland was easier, but before poland surrendered, Romania was inducted into the allies, and the hungarians were having some issues, so i sent 2 corps to assist. The line is pretty much holding now at the romanian city of cluj, as the british and some remaining french have reinforced the romanian line there. I am attenpting to get Bulgari into the axis but my threat level is barely making them move. Declaring war agaist the soviets is suicide at the moment so i won't bother, but all in all that was a fun game. I halted it in mid 1944 where it was almost unplayable due to lag.

Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on October 19, 2009, 10:17:06 PM
I can't play HOI3 by 1941, it's way too slow. A single day on average takes a minute. I can read a book while waiting for a year to pass.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: shreck on October 20, 2009, 06:52:54 PM
Is this playable online against an actual human?
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: SuBWaYCH on October 20, 2009, 08:44:15 PM
Is this playable online against an actual human?

Yes but you need an IP address of an actual server to do it as far as I know.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: branch37 on October 20, 2009, 09:28:29 PM
i have this game as well.  I started as the United Sates and was almost immediately attacked by japan.  Nothing soon followed so i invaded mexico, and now im in 1940 and bored.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Nefarious on October 21, 2009, 07:34:15 AM
i have this game as well.  I started as the United Sates and was almost immediately attacked by japan.  Nothing soon followed so i invaded mexico, and now im in 1940 and bored.  :headscratch:

Your supposed to go battle the Japanese, go get em'  :lol
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Stampf on October 21, 2009, 07:58:39 AM
One of the best games ever.

I suggest getting the "Stoney Road to War" mod.

Love it.

Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Grayeagle on October 21, 2009, 08:02:34 PM
yes .. lag starts becoming an issue in no time.

Natures way of sayin I need more PC :)

Like mebbe a Falcon MachV or some such!!

I love buildin the *cvrap* outta my infantry-armor and just driving wherever I want to ..none o' this namby pamby that hitler did.
20 panzer divisions spearhead into warsaw ..and ya .. coupla days and its over .. I love how you can jam 5 brigades into a division with a lil research :)

I use 4 armor w/1 motorised for the combined arms bonus, and 4 inf w/1 arty for average divisions ..have some tailored just for smashin soft targets en-masse tho ..
1 inf, 4 arty .. way evil :)

-Frank aka GE
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: gyrene81 on October 22, 2009, 10:44:15 AM
Looks pretty cool...but I can see where it would start using up some heavy system resources...and take days to get much done, truly not for those who need instant gratification. I might have to try it out.


But for massive battlefield fun...nothing beats Total War Rome...need a good system to have 4 to 6 large armies clashing on the battlefield.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Stoney on October 22, 2009, 11:24:06 AM
I suggest getting the "Stoney Road to War" mod.

Leave my road alone...
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Sandman on November 21, 2009, 10:56:38 AM
I just got the game the other day. It's amazingly complicated. Any suggested reading?
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 21, 2009, 08:10:46 PM
I can't play HOI3 by 1941, it's way too slow. A single day on average takes a minute. I can read a book while waiting for a year to pass.

v1.3 finally fixed this issue and it's been smooth.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: soda72 on November 21, 2009, 08:58:42 PM
speaking of Naval battles are there any good WWII naval battle sims? 

There use to be a series called 'Great Naval battles'.  I use to have a copy of 'Great Naval battles IV', it was buggy as hell but fun to play..
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 22, 2009, 11:42:31 AM
speaking of Naval battles are there any good WWII naval battle sims?  

There use to be a series called 'Great Naval battles'.  I use to have a copy of 'Great Naval battles IV', it was buggy as hell but fun to play..

Not really. It's all gone to arcade. Though, I love the concept of Pacific Storm allies, but it's prone to chronic crash sooner or later (too soon, unplayable) and that'll mark the end of a campaign. Makes me really hate those who left it unfinished.

If I'd make a game, I would most definitely rob some aspects of PS:A. I only lack the skills to do 3D stuff, but in due time I'm sure I could get a game with 2D interface up and running. I would like to make a naval game, which actually is quite surprising, since I've never been much of a navy buff when compared to air and land.

If you like to throw away a year of your life and like micromanaging, you should play War in the Pacific.
Then there's also Carriers at War, but I haven't tried it.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Grayeagle on November 22, 2009, 06:58:53 PM
'suggested reading' = any WW2 history .. if you avoid the glaring errors you can really have a lot of fun :)

I had Arado's and 262's flyin in '42 when I invaded England .. just evil :)

I scrapped my subs right off and focused on Super Heavy battlewagons and screens for a game .. owned the channel in 1941.
Had my first 5 full size carriers on the ways scheduled to launch in early '45

I am still very sucked in, lot to learn about how things work yet.
(ie: just discovered I should watch my number of officers being built every day, because I can scale them back when I reach 100 percent and do more research .. LOL .. I hate to see how many I had loafin around in earlier games I played where I just set it at 100 per day and left it there .. !!

-GE
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Die Hard on November 22, 2009, 08:20:31 PM
Not really. It's all gone to arcade. Though, I love the concept of Pacific Storm allies, but it's prone to chronic crash sooner or later (too soon, unplayable) and that'll mark the end of a campaign. Makes me really hate those who left it unfinished.

Download the Samurai Spirit mod and read the forum for bugs to avoid. Completing a campaign is rarely a problem, but sometimes you have to go back a save game or two.

(http://fd.cvut.cz/personal/xvasica/images/ise_broadside.jpg)
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 23, 2009, 08:36:40 AM
Download the Samurai Spirit mod and read the forum for bugs to avoid. Completing a campaign is rarely a problem, but sometimes you have to go back a save game or two.

I need to see about that. I would really love to play the game through a campaign instead of crashing before it even really begins. No other game has made me so mad and sad for not being able to play, it feels like I'm missing a great game experience due to an unfinished development of an otherwise promising product.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 24, 2009, 11:31:15 AM
Download the Samurai Spirit mod and read the forum for bugs to avoid. Completing a campaign is rarely a problem, but sometimes you have to go back a save game or two.

It would be interesting to know what in the forums I should pay attention to. There isn't any obvious "steps to make your game playable" thread. Last time I did read "the forums", if it was the right one, but still found situations that I could not resolve by going back a save or two - everytime a certain unit crossed paths with me, the crap happened.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: 68ZooM on November 24, 2009, 12:08:10 PM
speaking of Naval battles are there any good WWII naval battle sims? 

There use to be a series called 'Great Naval battles'.  I use to have a copy of 'Great Naval battles IV', it was buggy as hell but fun to play..


Have you seen this Game?.....

Navy Field is the world's first Massively Multiplayer Online Naval Tactics Simulation Game. The game is based on World War II Naval battles and features historically accurate warships, weapons, fighters, carriers, bombers and sailors. Navy Field allows for a staggering number of players to participate in one battle simultaneously. Getting involved is easy as users engage in naval battles ranging from beginners practice missions to historically accurate expert missions.

Download now and enjoy 30 free levels.

For more information check out NavyField.com.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Die Hard on November 24, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
It would be interesting to know what in the forums I should pay attention to. There isn't any obvious "steps to make your game playable" thread. Last time I did read "the forums", if it was the right one, but still found situations that I could not resolve by going back a save or two - everytime a certain unit crossed paths with me, the crap happened.

The SS mod disables certain functions that are problematic, and fixes a few bugs. You'll obviously need the latest patch. Read the support forum to learn about fixes and workarounds. The bug that used to get me was when I had sunk a carrier: If I saved the game before all the aircraft attached to the carrier had been destroyed/crashed from fuel starvation the save game, and all subsequent save games would be corrupted. That was a real problem since auto-save was on by default. SS disables the auto-save by default. There are lots of small bugs like that, but most are avoidable or can be worked around.


http://www.pacificstorm.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=30&sid=5c54e1648f8818cf8a81c4f5fbf2e541
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: druski85 on November 24, 2009, 12:43:23 PM

Have you seen this Game?.....

historically accurate warships, weapons, fighters, carriers, bombers and sailors.


I've been playing Navy Field on an off for many years now.  (Started back in early 2005)  While a fun game, I'm not sure how accurate I would call it.  Some of the super-level crews can fire at such speed and accuracy that it's absurd.  It's a fun game, but for realism I'd look elsewhere. 
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: soda72 on November 24, 2009, 02:27:29 PM

Have you seen this Game?.....

Navy Field is the world's first Massively Multiplayer Online Naval Tactics Simulation Game. The game is based on World War II Naval battles and features historically accurate warships, weapons, fighters, carriers, bombers and sailors. Navy Field allows for a staggering number of players to participate in one battle simultaneously. Getting involved is easy as users engage in naval battles ranging from beginners practice missions to historically accurate expert missions.

Download now and enjoy 30 free levels.

For more information check out NavyField.com.

I haven't seen that before I'll have to check it out..
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 24, 2009, 04:31:07 PM
The bug that used to get me was when I had sunk a carrier: If I saved the game before all the aircraft attached to the carrier had been destroyed/crashed from fuel starvation the save game, and all subsequent save games would be corrupted. That was a real problem since auto-save was on by default. SS disables the auto-save by default. There are lots of small bugs like that, but most are avoidable or can be worked around.

Thanks, that's something I hadn't passed by. That must be the bug that got me every time. Of course autosave was disabled, but the manual saves must've got me.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: soda72 on November 24, 2009, 06:46:43 PM
The SS mod disables certain functions that are problematic, and fixes a few bugs. You'll obviously need the latest patch. Read the support forum to learn about fixes and workarounds. The bug that used to get me was when I had sunk a carrier: If I saved the game before all the aircraft attached to the carrier had been destroyed/crashed from fuel starvation the save game, and all subsequent save games would be corrupted. That was a real problem since auto-save was on by default. SS disables the auto-save by default. There are lots of small bugs like that, but most are avoidable or can be worked around.


What BS...  A program crashing because it's saving data to a disk, the developers should be hanging their head in shame.  It's even worse if the player base can easily reproduce it and the Dev's don't have it fixed within a week...  total crap, I don't even own the game and the thought of that pisses me off...  Lazy bastards...

 :furious

Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Nefarious on November 24, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
What BS...  A program crashing because it's saving data to a disk, the developers should be hanging their head in shame.  It's even worse if the player base can easily reproduce it and the Dev's don't have it fixed within a week...  total crap, I don't even own the game and the thought of that pisses me off...  Lazy bastards...

 :furious

That's been the story of plenty of games I have bought in the past. Silent Hunter II & III had to have been the worst ever.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Die Hard on November 25, 2009, 01:55:07 AM
What BS...  A program crashing because it's saving data to a disk, the developers should be hanging their head in shame.  It's even worse if the player base can easily reproduce it and the Dev's don't have it fixed within a week...  total crap, I don't even own the game and the thought of that pisses me off...  Lazy bastards...

 :furious



Game is no longer in development. Publisher can't afford to pay the developer to fix it. Developer has moved on to other projects to put food on the table. The modding community has fixed a lot of the bugs on their own.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 25, 2009, 01:57:04 AM
What BS...  A program crashing because it's saving data to a disk, the developers should be hanging their head in shame.  It's even worse if the player base can easily reproduce it and the Dev's don't have it fixed within a week...  total crap, I don't even own the game and the thought of that pisses me off...  Lazy bastards...

I don' think themselves were too eager to publish a game barely on its beta stage. I think the publisher pulled the plug when the game got bad reviews and developers couldn't patch it up fast enough. Releasing the game way too prematurely was a fatal error. Probably so fatal, that even a game to be the best game of a decade would have been doomed (no, PS:A didn't have that potential). It was so badly messed up release. Though, a gutless head of the developers must be to blame as well - a developer should have the guts to tell the publisher that no way in hell is the game ready for release and refuse from making a fatal error. Surely there can't be any financial benefit from releasing a game that barely loads up.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 25, 2009, 01:59:47 AM
Game is no longer in development. Publisher can't afford to pay the developer to fix it. Developer has moved on to other projects to put food on the table. The modding community has fixed a lot of the bugs on their own.

I wish they would release the code to someone who's willing to fix it and further modify. They have no financial gain anymore by keeping to the code. A convenient leak would be welcome. What has become of Falcon since then?
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Die Hard on November 25, 2009, 02:58:42 AM
Publisher still holds the right to the series, so the developers can't release anything without permission.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 25, 2009, 06:45:40 AM
Publisher still holds the right to the series, so the developers can't release anything without permission.

Yes, I was talking about the publisher.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Grayeagle on November 25, 2009, 09:32:58 AM
ok ok .. I admit ..

..I am spoiled by Aces High ..and World of Warcraft .. you know, games that work :)

Bug fests are just not my event.

The latest patch (1.3) for Hearts of Iron helped a lot .. bein a board type war game I dont expect to zing thru
the Battle of France an such, seems like they tweaked up the AI so the french are much more aggresive ..they keep pokin holes in my lines .. I keep squeezin em off like a ripe zit :)
Eventually they run outta armies. Takes awhile but it's a good fight ..gotta have mobile reserves :)

All in all a good patch, I can actually click a button and it will work most of the time instead of being frozen in lag city.


-GE aka Frank
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: soda72 on November 25, 2009, 04:03:15 PM
Game is no longer in development. Publisher can't afford to pay the developer to fix it. Developer has moved on to other projects to put food on the table. The modding community has fixed a lot of the bugs on their own.

Can't afford to pay the developer?  The publisher already paid the developer for the job the first time.  Why should they have to pay them again to fix their mess?  Their lucky there isn't any organized consumer agency watching out for this.  Sell you a defective game and refuse to fix it... BS..

 :furious 
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on November 26, 2009, 11:25:39 AM
Can't afford to pay the developer?  The publisher already paid the developer for the job the first time.  Why should they have to pay them again to fix their mess?  Their lucky there isn't any organized consumer agency watching out for this.  Sell you a defective game and refuse to fix it... BS..

Umm... it's usually the publisher that screws up games by forcing developers to release game prematurely.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: soda72 on November 26, 2009, 11:02:45 PM
Umm... it's usually the publisher that screws up games by forcing developers to release game prematurely.

They both suck.  You have each one pointing their finger at the other saying it's their fault but the end result is nothing gets done and the consumer is screwed.   :joystick:

Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Die Hard on November 27, 2009, 09:20:27 AM
I don't consider myself "screwed". I enjoy the game immensely. The only thing I really miss is a multi player campaign mode.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Stott on November 27, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
Just bought it myself couple of days ago. Still reading the manual during bath time so I haven't moved a couter or clicked a mouse. So..is it fun?
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Grayeagle on December 03, 2009, 06:47:14 PM
If you enjoy board wargames ..it's all of it.

I really get into all the different ways you can go .. truly epic in scale .. er ...altho ..it would be hard to conquer the world if you started with Ireland -grin- .. and yes, you can :)

I have yet to try anything other than Germany .. just tryin different ideas out .. some work, some dont.
Need infantry .. I build more than Hitler did, and more panzer divisions with more panzer brigades than he did.
Typical loadout I find works very well is 3 brigades of infantry, 1 of arty for an infantry division.
3 brigades of light tanks with one of motorized and later mechanized infantry for my panzer divisions.
..then.. when I get 5 brigade divisions researched ..I add a marine brigade to my infantry and another tank brigade to my panzers.

They get real mean.. just beat up on stuff :)

-GE aka Frank
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Fishu on December 04, 2009, 06:16:57 AM
I have yet to try anything other than Germany .. just tryin different ideas out .. some work, some dont.
Need infantry .. I build more than Hitler did, and more panzer divisions with more panzer brigades than he did.
Typical loadout I find works very well is 3 brigades of infantry, 1 of arty for an infantry division.
3 brigades of light tanks with one of motorized and later mechanized infantry for my panzer divisions.
..then.. when I get 5 brigade divisions researched ..I add a marine brigade to my infantry and another tank brigade to my panzers.

I'm trying to benefit from the combined arms bonus, while trying to reduce unnecessary supply requirements. 1 medium tank, 2 mechanized and SP-art brigades. 2 medium tanks and 1 mechanized brigades doesn't offer anything else than higher hard attack, but adds more strain on the supply chain. Since the enemies do not have that many tanks I've chosen to keep supply requirements down a bit. I keep marine brigades in their own divisions and sometimes add arty or engineer for support. Most of my marine divisions have only 3 brigades. Then I also have 5 brigade infantry and armoured divisions, usually supported by engineers and artillery. For special needs there are a few medium and heavy armoured divisions; medium divisions for speed and heavy divisions for dealing with big issues that can't be addressed in timely manner; pretty much anything that hasn't been dealt with before the heavies finally arrive, at which point the speedier divisions can continue to push onwards, instead of being stuck with a stubborn enemy.
Title: Re: just got Hearts of Iron 3
Post by: Grayeagle on December 04, 2009, 06:09:53 PM
thing I noticed about marine brigades is ..if you add them to an infantry division .. they can invade as they are considered a 'marine division' now.
They cost a bit more to produce than normal infantry and take a bit longer .. so sprinkling them among normal infantry I can get my 10 'marine' divisions for the initial beach head in England ..then I just bring in Guderian and company ..it seems to work fairly well if I can get 30 or more divisions into England, 10 divisions at a time :)

Lately I have been very sucked into Dragon Age: Origins .. havin a bit of fun tryin different ways of doing things there too :)

-GE aka Frank (I had no idea you could actually get out of Wilhelm's Cellar with the little girl intact *and* kill the demon ..just found that out last nite by tryin different decisions)