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Title: More water troop carriers???
Post by: legoman on October 20, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
I heard on the military channel about a amphibous vehicle called the duck. I think it is an alternative to the lvt2. What do you think? :neener:
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: waystin2 on October 20, 2009, 10:38:45 AM
+1 WOOT WOOT DUKW!
(http://www.odec.ca/projects/2005/gree5h0/public_html/dukw.jpg)
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Denholm on October 20, 2009, 10:41:43 AM
Oh no! Look what you've done!
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: legoman on October 20, 2009, 10:44:25 AM
yea thats the one! :aok just a question, were any of them armed?
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Stoney on October 20, 2009, 10:54:57 AM
Sure they were armed, but a Ma Deuce on a soft-skinned vehicle is for morale purposes only...
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: legoman on October 20, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
How do you mean?
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: waystin2 on October 20, 2009, 10:59:33 AM
yea thats the one! :aok just a question, were any of them armed?


There was a provision for a machine gun mount, but it usually relied on the troops guns inside for firepower. Slower than an LVT in the water, but it will smoke the LVT in the 1/4 mile once feet dry.
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: legoman on October 20, 2009, 11:06:02 AM
is the armor any better than the lvt's?
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: waystin2 on October 20, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
is the armor any better than the lvt's?

Try non-existent.  It was basically a really thin boat hull built around a transport truck.  A quote from Wiki-"It was not an armored vehicle, being plated with sheet steel between 1/16" and 1/8" thick to minimize weight."
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: legoman on October 20, 2009, 11:18:17 AM
so its basicly the same as an m3 exept it floats...?
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Denholm on October 20, 2009, 01:03:37 PM
I think you answered your own question.
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Stoney on October 20, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
so its basicly the same as an m3 exept it floats...?

Faster than an M3, but with less armor...
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Nemisis on October 20, 2009, 06:06:19 PM
I have an idea. Why not the Hadahtsu landing craft, sometimes called the hadahtsu barge. I know it isn't amphibious, so it probably see use in taking bases with towns RIGHT on the coast, as opposed to inland a couple K.
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: legoman on October 20, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
Can someone get me a pic of the Hadahtsu landing craft??? I'm not very familiar with Japanese vehicles.
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Nemisis on October 20, 2009, 08:36:20 PM
It was simmilar to the U.S. Higgens boats. Bout the only difference is it had a ramp that folded up, and a lightly armored driver compartment if I have the right one....
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Stoney on October 20, 2009, 11:14:07 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_landing_craft
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Nemisis on October 21, 2009, 10:25:10 AM
Thanks stoney :aok.
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: SDGhalo on October 22, 2009, 10:53:56 AM
instead of water troop carriers they should add the sherman DD tank

Modifications to the Sherman included sealing of the lower hull, the addition of the propeller drive and the addition of Straussler's flotation screen around the hull, together with its inflation system. The base of the canvas floatation screen was attached to a horizontal metal frame welded to the tank's hull. The screen was supported by horizontal metal hoops and by 36 vertical rubber tubes. A system of compressed air bottles and pipes inflated the rubber tubes to give the curtain rigidity. The screen could be erected in 15 minutes and quickly collapsed once the tank reached the shore. In combat, the flotation system was considered expendable and it was assumed the tank crew would remove and discard it as soon as conditions allowed [2] although, in practice, some units kept the floatation equipment and their tanks were used in several amphibious operations.

A pair of propellers at the rear provided propulsion. One problem presented by the Sherman was that the configuration of the transmission made it impossible to take a drive-shaft directly from the gearbox to the propellers. The solution to this was to have sprocket wheels at the rear of the tank so power was delivered to the propellers by the tank's tracks. DD Tanks could swim at up to 4 knots (4.6 mph; 7.4 km/h)[2]. Both the commander and the driver could steer in the water, although with different methods. A hydraulic system under the control of the driver could swivel the propellers; the commander stood on a platform on the turret, where he could see over the skirt, and steered the tank with a large tiller.

Experience from D-Day lead to an improved, Mark II version of the DD Sherman. The screen was extended and strengthened, a new type of bilge pump fitted and a second set of hydraulic steering controls was fitted at the commander's station, although his tiller was retained. An air compressor replaced the air cylinders that provided the pressurized air to erect the screen.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DD-Tank.jpg)
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Stoney on October 22, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
How many of those improved Sherman DD tanks were used after D-Day?
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: SDGhalo on October 22, 2009, 11:19:41 AM
How many of those improved Sherman DD tanks were used after D-Day?

After D day the tanks were used in other operations but i dont know how many maybe this would hep

Operation Dragoon
The Operation Dragoon landings took place on 15 August 1944. The invasion took place between Toulon and Cannes.

A total of 36 DD-tanks were used by three American tank battalions - the 191st, the 753rd and the 756th.[2] The 756th battalion had eight tanks that were launched 2,500 yards (2,286 m) from the beaches; one was swamped by the bow-wave of a landing craft and one sank after striking an underwater obstacle. The twelve tanks of the 191st battalion were all landed on or close to the beach. The 753rd battalion had 16 tanks, of which eight were launched at sea and successfully reached the shore and eight were landed directly on the beach later in the day.

[edit] North West Europe
 
Sherman DD tanks crossing the Rhine, 24 March 1945The Staffordshire Yeomanry were converted to DD tanks after D-Day and trained with them in Belgium. On the 26th of October 1944, they undertook a 7-mile (11 km) swim across the Western Scheldt to attack South Beveland, during the Battle of the Scheldt. The DD Tanks' longest operational water crossing took place without casualties, but the tanks had great difficulty in landing - 14 became bogged down in mud and only four were available for action.[13]

Operation Plunder, the crossed the Rhine, began on the night of the 23rd of March, 1945. As well as the Staffordshire Yeomanry, DD tanks equipped the American 736th and 738th Tank Battalions and the British 44th Royal Tank Regiment. Some tanks were lost in the river, but the crossings were considered a success. The tanks were launched from points upstream from their objectives, to take account of the Rhine's strong current, and mats at the objective points (carried across beforehand by LVTs) allowed the DDs to climb the steep, muddy banks of the river[13].

The DD's last combat, swimming operation was the Staffordshire Yeomanry's crossing of the River Elbe at Artlenburg on the 29th of April 1945[13].

[edit] Italian Campaign
By February 1945, the 7th Queen's Own Hussars in Italy had been trained an equipped with DD tanks, both DD Shermans and DD Valentines. DD Shermans were successfully used in the crossing of the Po River on the 24th of April. On the 28th of April, those tanks still able to swim were used in an assault across the River Adige. During this operation, Valentine DDs were used to transport fuel (their only know use on active service). The tanks continued to be used in combat in the advance towards Venice. There were no further swimming operations, but it was found that the folded flotation screen offered a large seating area, that made the tanks useful troop transports
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: GreenEagle43 on November 02, 2009, 07:24:03 PM
i don't think the duck was armored ether.so a few canon rounds would put you out of business.and as far as armaments i think they relied on the troops in the duck,witch would mean your all a bunch of sitting ducks.lol  :eek:
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 02, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
Can someone get me a pic of the Hadahtsu landing craft??? I'm not very familiar with Japanese vehicles.

I think he might have been referring to the Daihatsu Class IJN landing craft used in WW2.  The Japanese didn't use a landing craft called Hadahtsu.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Daihatsu_landing_craft.JPG)


ack-ack
Title: Re: More water troop carriers???
Post by: Nemisis on November 02, 2009, 08:33:30 PM
I think he might have been referring to the Daihatsu Class IJN landing craft used in WW2.  The Japanese didn't use a landing craft called Hadahtsu.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Daihatsu_landing_craft.JPG)


ack-ack


Lol can't beleive I didn't notice that GIANT typo till now. Sorry bout any confusion people.