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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: juice on October 22, 2009, 03:36:19 PM
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i'm flying the P47M & F4U-1A a lot while trying to pick a favorite between them. i'm hoping that you guru's out there can help with the comparison since they are both pure air-to-air fighters, thanks.
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I would say turn fight and low speed ability goes to the 1A hands down, much superior fighter in that aspect.
I would say that the 47M is a better high speed turner and at altitude probably one of if not the best plane in the game. Guns go to the 47M hands down, 8X50s, come on? lol
Unfortunetly though, since most of the time you will not be fighting 30K, 1A has the advantage in the MA's, will be a better choice for the fights, but I'm not saying that you shouldn't fly the 47M. 47M is a very good picker, and can get most planes back to the deck.
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I agree 110% :aok
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It really depends on the opponent and the situation, but the F4U is by far more flexible. She's good as Bosco says at lower speeds, but too many people jump right to "Magic Flaps" and forget that she is a VERY good fighter at high speeds as well.
I've played around with the M against squaddies, (light gas and 6x.50cal package) and she still feels heavier than the Hog at all speeds. Maneuvers I could execute with one hand behind my back in the F4U the M just didn't quite want to get around for. The M rolls well, (still not as good as the Hog) but she has nothing approaching the rudder authority of the F4U. Any sort of rolling fight the F4U should win, especially with effective use of rudder (IMO, rudder is almost more important to the F4U than flaps).
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I am no guru, but I know the f4u-1a can turn twice as hard on full flaps as the P47M. And it also turn better with both of them applying no flaps. The f4u will outclimb the P47 up till about 20-25k, then the f4u will flatten its climb rate while the P47 will continue on its same rate a good while longer.
Other than that the acceleration is about the same, P47 slightly faster also top speed of the 47 is higher.
And the P47 have better guns.
I fly mainly f4u's, mostly because of their huge flaps, and because I have fallen in love with the plane. Its really fun to fly once u get to know it really well, and it can handle both high speed and almost down to no speed at all. I love to get it down to almost hovering speed at full flaps, and still u can twist and turn it around quite alot in a slow and low fight. :aok
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I am no guru, but I know the f4u-1a can turn twice as hard on full flaps as the P47M? (P47N I believe you mean?!) And it also turn better with both of them applying no flaps. The f4u will outclimb the P47 up till about 20-25k, then the f4u will flatten its climb rate while the P47 will continue on its same rate a good while longer.
Other than that the acceleration is about the same, P47 slightly faster also top speed of the 47 is higher.
And the P47 have better guns.
I fly mainly f4u's, mostly because of their huge flaps, and because I have fallen in love with the plane. Its really fun to fly once u get to know it really well, and it can handle both high speed and almost down to no speed at all. I love to get it down to almost hovering speed at full flaps, and still u can twist and turn it around quite alot in a slow and low fight. :aok
SAJ,
The P-47M is faster at all altitudes than the F4U-1A. The F4U-4 is more or less equal in speed and rate of climb up until very high altitudes.
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Agree Saxman, like I said the M has a disadvanatge at low speeds, does not climb at all.
The best quote I have put together about the Hog at high speeds with alt and E is, "It's Juggernaught, nothing can beat it when it has the alt. and E."
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I think a lot of people confuse the M with having more power means more manueverability. With all due respect, its a jug, just like all the other jugs. Once its slow, its pretty much a sitting duck. The M jug is really no more superior than any other aircraft except above 15-20k. Ive seen so many people flying the M-jug low and slow, expecting it to climb like a 109, and turn like a Spit16, and accelerate like a P38. The end result is them getting shot down.
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the M has more escapability but the 1a has a bigger bag of tricks. 1v1 the 1a is better, IMHO.
Arena survival, the M is unparalleled among non-perk rides.
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SAJ,
The P-47M is faster at all altitudes than the F4U-1A. The F4U-4 is more or less equal in speed and rate of climb up until very high altitudes.
Yes, I guess you are right. I have not flown any of the jug planes much myself, I have been flying more or less hogs since I started this game. Atleast after I was done with my learning period with the spits anyway.. :lol
And the F4u-4 is my absolute favourite of the hogs! :rock
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I find the 1A a lot of fun. As pointed out above, it's good across the range of speeds so you're not restricted to one type of fighting. The M is a monster IMO and I'm having a real tough time fighting them but I still prefer the 1A.
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Agree Saxman, like I said the M has a disadvanatge at low speeds, does not climb at all.
The best quote I have put together about the Hog at high speeds with alt and E is, "It's Juggernaught, nothing can beat it when it has the alt. and E."
Couldnt say it any better myself... nice. :banana:
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Agree Saxman, like I said the M has a disadvanatge at low speeds, does not climb at all.
Climb to 10k from dead stop on runway, in minutes, seconds and hundredths of seconds. 25% fuel, 6 guns with 267 rounds for P-47s.
P-51D: 3:14.47
P-47D-40: 3:00.88
P-47M: 2:50.56
F4U-4: 2:48.44
Nearly a dead heat between the F4U-4 and P-47M.
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Thought he said f4u1a? :D
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I think too many of you are too bound by "statistics" and it will never make sense to me. Just play the damn game.
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I would say 47M holds E better. It makes you stay honest in a furball without trying any tricks. IMO
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Ive seen so many people flying the M-jug low and slow, expecting it to climb like a 109, and turn like a Spit16, and accelerate like a P38. The end result is them getting shot down.
:rofl broad brushes just make people say silly things....
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Climb to 10k from dead stop on runway, in minutes, seconds and hundredths of seconds. 25% fuel, 6 guns with 267 rounds for P-47s.
P-51D: 3:14.47
P-47D-40: 3:00.88
P-47M: 2:50.56
F4U-4: 2:48.44
Nearly a dead heat between the F4U-4 and P-47M.
Here is a better way to put it then, Mr SR :) It's E retention is far less than all of the F4U's and a lot of the planes in the game. It can burn off that E and not get it back, faster than most planes, and I fly alot of planes, I know.
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Ive been flying the M abit this camp and it is a nice plane. I dont fly the 1a much so I cant really say much about it. Both planes do feel alot heavier when low and slow than say the P40E, but it is nice shooting planes that normally walk away from the P40. I like the roll in the M, its quicker than I thought it would be. And of course the guns are nice. Best chance of a kill awarded than any other bullet armed plane, when competing with friendly cannon birds. I dont really fly it or any of the faster planes as I should though, and I usually end up on the deck fighting a couple. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. But its fun either way, and you can make the M do some nice stuff slow(reminds me of the FM2 in rudder response).
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It is hard for me to say the M is a better aircraft than the F4u-1A or the other way around. I can't fly either one for the life of me. They both feel like light bombers and make big targets when I fly them. I wish I could fly F4Us better, because those that I fight in the MA, with pilots that know how to fly them, kick my butt everytime. I always admire F4U pilots for what they can do in a dog fight with that plane and they seldom ever HO.
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/CVA-66/F4U-1ACorsair.jpg) F4U-1A
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What do you enjoy flying CVA?
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What do you enjoy flying CVA?
I fly the P-51 alot, but I like the FM-2 and for attack the F6F. I just not a very good fighter pilot.
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wow, the responses to my question are better than i hoped for. it sounds to me that it really depends how you like to fight. if you wanna just bnz only then the M is perfect. if you wanna do a little of everything then the -1A is your bird.
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Rule #1
Speed is important! Said she cannot out-maneuver the Japanese fighters it should be obvious that to have any success in combat against them, speed is essential. If at all possible, keep your speed in combat at three hundred miles plus. Never slow down below 250 miles per hour once in a flight. There have been pilots who slowed down in combat, but they are no longer capable of telling you how dangers it is to do so.
There probably are no living pilots who can tell you how a Corsair turns with full flaps and gear down while in combat. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9f72b5e735db5065ab1eab3e9fa335ca7e09ad12d236a637