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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wagger on October 25, 2009, 10:02:34 AM
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pre•tend (pr -t nd )
VERB:
pre•tend•ed , pre•tend•ing , pre•tends
VERB:
tr.
1. To give a false appearance of; feign: "You had to pretend conformity while privately pursuing high and dangerous nonconformism" (Anthony Burgess).
2. To claim or allege insincerely or falsely; profess: doesn't pretend to be an expert.
3. To represent fictitiously in play; make believe: pretended they were on a cruise.(pretend another unit was the enemy)
4. To take upon oneself; venture: I cannot pretend to say that you are wrong.
sim•u•late (s m y -l t )
TRANSITIVE VERB:
sim•u•lat•ed , sim•u•lat•ing , sim•u•lates
1. a. To have or take on the appearance, form, or sound of; imitate.
b. To make in imitation of or as a substitute for. See Synonyms at imitate.
2. To make a pretense of; feign: simulate interest.
3. To create a representation or model of (a physical system or particular situation, for example).
notional definition
no•tional (nō′s̸hə nəl)
adjective
1. of, expressing, or consisting of notions, or concepts
2. imaginary; not actual to inhabit a notional world
3. ☆ having visionary ideas; given to whims; fanciful
4. Gram. having full lexical, as distinguished from relational, meaning “have” is notional in “we have a problem” and relational in “we have solved a problem”
I spent 22 years in the US Army as and Infantryman. Now in those years we always went to the field and trained. Over the years they had more than one name for the same thing. When I first joined we would pretend another unit was the enemy. He would use our tactics or Soviet tactics. After I became an NCO it was changed. We did not pretend any more. We had units Simulate being the enemy. Same tactics though. When I became a Senior NCO and Mechanized Infantry Platoon Trainer at the National Training Center at Ft Irwin it took on a whole new life. Now it was Notional Play. The difference was the the units playing the bad guys were damn good. But guess what? Same concept. Now when I hear the argument about whether it is a game or a simulation, I just think to myself it is just possible it could be notional play.
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I always wondered about that...do they put serious training time into 'opposing' forces that they better simulate the enemy in scenarios?
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The National Training Center at Ft Irwin has a dedicated OPFOR, (Opposing Forces), Unit. The train strictly in enemy forces tactics. There are, if I remember right, 3 Training Centers that have these OPFOR units. One at Ft Polk LA, Ft Irwin California and CMTC now known as JMRC in Hoenfels Germany. Their missions are to set up the most realistic training available for our ground forces. It is accomplished through the use of Force on Force Training using the Miles, (Multiple Integrated Laser Equipment System). The NTC can accommodate Brigade size units in these operations to include Live Fire Exercises in Offensive and Defensive Exercises. The OPFOR represent Regimental size units. I have been retired since 2000 so I can not say what training is available based on todays needs but know that the Army has answered these needs to the best of my knowledge.
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With the exception of scientific and logical terminology which have stipulated definitions, I do not believe that natural language consists of discreet meanings. So for the difference between "game," and "simulation," all we are going to find are tendencies of difference, not rules. Simulations emphasize detailed accuracy and limitations that might impede on enjoyment, games not so much, but this is not to say that there aren't some games that may have more detailed accuracy and limitations than other things we might call simulations.
However, what is wrong is to say that the above means that there is no meaningful distinction to be made between games and simulations. Most importantly, it is a useful distinction for predicting human software preferences. If you know that I like games more than simulations, then you can make accurate predictions about what I will prefer and what I will dislike. What's more, marketers study these distinctions and know that something you would call a game is going to make more money than something you would call a simulation, unless the latter has a more specific commercial purpose for training personnel.
As for Aces High, and whether it is a simulation or a game, it has aspects of both in my opinion. Insisting it is one or the other is silly. I would like to see it move more toward the simulation spectrum, but naturally there are game aspects that I wish to remain.
For the record, those who like to say, "you don't really die," also should point out that you don't really fly, shoot, or do anything in a computer simulation/game, except for simulated dying, flying, and shooting in the game.
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:cheers:
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I hesitate to offer this again; but, Anaxogoras was profound and thorough...
Use of the term, 'cartoon airplane', merely represents a lack of imagination.
regards, teshaw
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It will always be a game... in a simulation or 'notional play' you can still experience injury but in AH aside from potential carpal tunnel you are pretty much safe. :D
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I hesitate to offer this again; but, Anaxogoras was profound and thorough...
Use of the term, 'cartoon airplane', merely represents a lack of imagination.
regards, teshaw
This is a you decide subject. It does not refer to other postings. And to come to Anaxogoras defense He did not say anything about cartoon planes in this thread. Don't high jack the thread.
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The Military is great at changing the names of things over time....
American Civil war soldiers suffered from Soldiers Heart
During WWI it was called Shell Shock
By WWII it was called Battle Fatigue
During the Korean War it had been renamed War Neurosis
Vietnam Vets were found to suffer from Post-Vietnam Syndrome
Now we have our soldiers dignosed as suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
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This is a you decide subject. It does not refer to other postings. And to come to Anaxogoras defense He did not say anything about cartoon planes in this thread. Don't high jack the thread.
You are somehow miscomprehending.
And, I was admiring Anaxogoras' stuff.
And, what I said was utterly appropriate to the context of the thread.
So now, I'll leave your ignorant thread alone.
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Its a game. Everyone get over yourselves. :neener:
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It will always be a game... in a simulation or 'notional play' you can still experience injury but in AH aside from potential carpal tunnel you are pretty much safe. :D
I do believe you are wrong on this for example in a jet simulator there is no chance of injury. Unless you trip going up the steps :lol.
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I do believe you are wrong on this for example in a jet simulator there is no chance of injury. Unless you trip going up the steps :lol.
Then its a game.
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To TSHaw: I do humbly apologize :aok if I misconstrued you comments. I stand corrected.
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It's a game because the creator said it was, period, any arguement after that is moot :cool:
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It's a game because the creator said it was, period, any arguement after that is moot :cool:
So now your going to bring Moot into all this?? :rofl
:neener:
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It's a game because the creator said it was, period, any arguement after that is moot :cool:
And so, if a creator says their creation is a simulation, then it's a simulation.
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And so, if a creator says their creation is a simulation, then it's a simulation.
Maybe a simulation of a game...
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Maybe a game that simulates virtual flying of a remote aircraft (drone)? :joystick:
http://www.firstclass-simulations.com/ :airplane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_7IzUjs6k
How weird is that? :old:
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Ha! I just noticed in their WW1 video the ailerons operate in reverse sense. :x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsf3APJyG8&feature=related
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Ha! I just noticed in their WW1 video the ailerons operate in reverse sense. :x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsf3APJyG8&feature=related
Now, THAT is weird! :huh
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Ha! I just noticed in their WW1 video the ailerons operate in reverse sense. :x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsf3APJyG8&feature=related
:rofl
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All the evidence I need to never buy it.
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It is neither a simulation nor a game, this is real... :uhoh
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I think the importance of this game for a player is related to how preoccupied he is with life at any given time. When Im busy with real life work/play whatever, this game is almost non existant. When Im slow with work or other things, I spend more time in here and get into it more.
Guys who are retired and dont have much else going on, or kids who have too much time on their hands probably take this game more seriously than the average guy.
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It is a simulator used to play a war game.
HiTech
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It is a simulator used to play a war game.
HiTech
...and just how do you know? :neener:
<edit> this can't be the real HiTech. All the letters are there and in the right order.
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AH is a game of course
aerial kill drink 1
aerial kill after reversal ( ownage ) drink 2
getting GB'd at least 7 to 1 drink 3
getting accused of having shields or cheating in general drink 4
getting private voxed accusing you of the same drink 5
:cheers:
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It is a simulator used to play a war game.
HiTech
That's a pretty good answer.
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Shuffler who is this Hi Tech guy. Any relation to Moot.
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Shuffler who is this Hi Tech guy. Any relation to Moot.
Look it up in ur Funk and Wagunel :rofl
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Look it up in ur Funk and Wagunel :rofl
:rofl
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AH is a game of course
aerial kill drink 1
aerial kill after reversal ( ownage ) drink 2
getting GB'd at least 7 to 1 drink 3
getting accused of having shields or cheating in general drink 4
getting private voxed accusing you of the same drink 5
:cheers:
The guy that accussed you must have been drunk, I've seen you fly :D
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The guy that accussed you must have been drunk, I've seen you fly :D
.ahcheat redalertshieldsupforK4
.ahcheat cloakK4
:x
hey great game either way. :joystick:
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Wagger, I was Tarantula 12C, belt buckle # 184. Was there in 1993-1996. When were you there?
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HiTech is a simulation of an actual person's name. :banana:
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HiTech is a simulation of an actual person. :banana:
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The Military is great at changing the names of things over time....
American Civil war soldiers suffered from Soldiers Heart
During WWI it was called Shell Shock
By WWII it was called Battle Fatigue
During the Korean War it had been renamed War Neurosis
Vietnam Vets were found to suffer from Post-Vietnam Syndrome
Now we have our soldiers dignosed as suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
Do i get combat pay for my post traumatic squeeker dissorder after listening to the screeching on range for 5 years im due for alittle compensation :x :joystick:
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A8hunter you old dog. I was there from 1993 - 1996 also. I was Cobra 13C. Holder of "The Order of Ther Golden Hummer", number 0540.