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Title: Defensive ACM
Post by: Cyrex on October 28, 2009, 10:56:24 AM
Im trying to find more documentation on advanced ACM specifically defense. Anything other then AH training site would be helpful, graphs or films would be best - thanks and salute!
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Sonicblu on October 28, 2009, 11:47:55 PM
Do a search on the BB topics acm rolling scissors, scissors, e fight ect. you will find many posts and video.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: JunkyII on October 28, 2009, 11:59:56 PM
If you see me on Ill take you to DA and show you some things :salute
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Masherbrum on October 29, 2009, 09:40:17 AM
Im trying to find more documentation on advanced ACM specifically defense. Anything other then AH training site would be helpful, graphs or films would be best - thanks and salute!

Look up WMLute, Delirium, Stang, Grizz, Skyrock or WideWing.  
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Bronk on October 30, 2009, 04:06:01 PM
Look up WMLute, Delirium, Stang, Grizz, Skyrock or WideWing.  
stang smells funny though... you've been warned.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: WMLute on October 30, 2009, 04:52:30 PM
stang smells funny though... you've been warned.

He smells of BenGay and hopelessness.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: DaveJ on November 02, 2009, 07:15:43 PM
If you see me on Ill take you to DA and show you some things :salute

Can you teach me a few things, Junkster?
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: JunkyII on November 03, 2009, 05:56:55 AM
Can you teach me a few things, Junkster?
If i can, Im always down to go to DA to help others and myself :salute
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: DaveJ on November 03, 2009, 08:05:47 AM
If i can, Im always down to go to DA to help others and myself :salute

You know I'm joking, right?  :D

Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: JunkyII on November 03, 2009, 03:24:34 PM
You know I'm joking, right?  :D


Thats why I said "If I can"............. :aok
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: StokesAk on November 03, 2009, 05:28:26 PM
Cyrex:

The vertical reverse is a good defensive move, i think it is in the trainers site and there are "how to" films on it.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: bravoa8 on November 03, 2009, 07:51:14 PM
Cyrex:

The vertical reverse is a good defensive move, i think it is in the trainers site and there are "how to" films on it.
I NEVER go vertical if I have an enemy on my tail espically when they're in range when I climb I slow down the enemy gets closer and kills me.I usually go low and fly treetops and make them auger. :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: StokesAk on November 03, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
I NEVER go vertical if I have an enemy on my tail espically when they're in range when I climb I slow down the enemy gets closer and kills me.I usually go low and fly treetops and make them auger. :banana: :banana:

Its not really a vertical move, its gets complecated, i can show you when i have a chance.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: bravoa8 on November 03, 2009, 10:34:39 PM
Its not really a vertical move, its gets complecated, i can show you when i have a chance.
Oh,I'd like to see it.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Qrsu on November 03, 2009, 10:48:47 PM
Here are a couple of films of simple defensive reversals against opponents with momentary advantages that translate into quick snapshots. The key to these solutions is timing the reversal and then leading the target for the shot.

http://www.4shared.com/file/146108894/f2505a31/Reverse_Kill_K4vSpit.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/146108901/523a7fc0/Reverse_P51D_Killshot.html


Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: sunfan1121 on November 03, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
Here's a basic vertical reversal. All I do is turn up and in to him giving him the smallest shot i can. I make sure my nose is tracking him the whole time.
www.dasmuppets.com/public/Suns/verticalreversal.ahf
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: HellFire on November 04, 2009, 02:10:08 AM
Bravo sunfan1121 ... well executed ... good job  :aok
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Hawk55 on November 04, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
The key to these solutions is timing the reversal and then leading the target for the shot.



That's an amazing shot on the Pony Orsu!   :salute
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: wgmount on November 05, 2009, 01:03:02 AM
Here's a basic vertical reversal. All I do is turn up and in to him giving him the smallest shot i can. I make sure my nose is tracking him the whole time.
www.dasmuppets.com/public/Suns/verticalreversal.ahf



All I see is machine code?
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: sunfan1121 on November 05, 2009, 01:18:45 AM
right click and save as if your using Firefox
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: MutleyBR on November 24, 2009, 01:16:11 PM
Hi Cyrex and friends!

Please check the AH film I posted in this thread:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274715.15.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274715.15.html)

It's a long film, with lots of moves, maybe you find something there.

Mutley
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: crazierthanu on November 28, 2009, 12:00:25 PM
A lot of defensive ACM is being unpredictable so your opponent doesn't have enough lead for a shot. When a higher bandit is diving in on me, I like to go below their nose which creates a more difficult shot and forces them to bleed more E to even have a chance at the shot. Break turns, barrel rolls, low yo-yo's, pitch backs and the Split-s are all maneuvers which Help to move you from the line of fire. Besides being unpredictable and knowing some basic maneuvers it REALLY helps to have decent SA. Often there will be more than one con diving on you at different intervals and each one having a different E state. Being able to roughly predict your opponents E will help decide which maneuver is appropriate.
I just cleaned out my films and deleted about 50 of em, so I should be able to get you some within the week.
 :salute
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: -pjk-- on November 28, 2009, 04:05:52 PM
Every time i see anyone doing sunfan1121 film move online, i notice it is  a TA move. It works fine, but aft you have done it 2 times; 3rd i just shoot earler or pull a bit before shooting.
Most common move i have ever seen as Training Corps work. Nice work :rock
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Agent360 on November 28, 2009, 05:27:38 PM
See this post..has films too.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,261486.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,261486.0.html)
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: morfiend on November 28, 2009, 06:18:07 PM
Thx for linking that Agent.. :aok

  I often refer players to view your films and was having trouble finding them.

   :salute
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Phanza on November 28, 2009, 07:41:00 PM
3 reversals in a row. All in Spits  :aok

http://bygs.dk/3kills.ahf
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: wgmount on November 28, 2009, 11:51:23 PM
why does agent360's films kill my film viewer? also the last film i downloaded from dasmuppets site killed my viewer :headscratch: :(
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: prono on November 29, 2009, 11:05:04 AM
why does agent360's films kill my film viewer? also the last film i downloaded from dasmuppets site killed my viewer :headscratch: :(

The same here. Probably too old version of Aces High or terrain.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Agent360 on November 29, 2009, 06:00:05 PM
why does agent360's films kill my film viewer? also the last film i downloaded from dasmuppets site killed my viewer :headscratch: :(


I was not aware that the films will not work anymore. This sucks.

I tried to view them from the AH install films folder and they wont work from their either. (this sometimes works for some reason)

I will try to find a fix.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: Agent360 on November 29, 2009, 06:29:42 PM
Well friends the training films are now unusable.

Read my post in tech support here
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,278987.msg3512050.html#msg3512050 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,278987.msg3512050.html#msg3512050)

If you feal the same way please post your thoughts in the thread.
Title: Re: Defensive ACM
Post by: wgmount on November 30, 2009, 07:15:10 AM
Well friends the training films are now unusable.

Read my post in tech support here
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,278987.msg3512050.html#msg3512050 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,278987.msg3512050.html#msg3512050)

If you feal the same way please post your thoughts in the thread.

Well, I tried to agree with you but it seems I am not allowed to.

Flushed