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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: antivortex on October 29, 2009, 06:50:58 AM
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O.k. lots of great posts about other variations including WWI and Korea so isn't it time to put something else on the server that some people might actually venture into? The AvA has never even come close to what the CT was and is a block of unused server space, how about we say "so long AvA, hello Korea-WWI?"...
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WWI is already on the way. If HTC were going to plan another arena, I'm sure they couldn't just throw it together at the drop of a hat. It would take time.
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"so long AvA, hello Korea-WWI?"...
+1 :aok
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"so long AvA, hello Korea-WWI?"...
The AvsA arena has been improving very good as of late......... the numbers are rising, the battles, air combat is growing,
as someone told me once, if you are not having fun, then don't do it ( read as fly there ), find another arena.......
but don't destroy or take away something people are trying to revitalize and are having good progress with .......
my worthless 2 cents
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i agree with my esteemed colleague above
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my worthless 2 cents
want some Korean won instead, its doing very good compared to the dollar these days :aok
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but don't destroy or take away something people are trying to revitalize and are having good progress with .......
He's just trolling, TC. The Korea-era planes haven't been created and it's not like the AvA is a huge burden on HTC's servers. The AvA isn't being run the way he'd like it to be run. Reminds me of one of Stephen Crane's poems:
In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
Who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said: "Is it good, friend?"
"It is bitter - bitter," he answered;
"But I like it
Because it is bitter,
And because it is my heart."
- oldman
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He's just trolling, TC. The Korea-era planes haven't been created and it's not like the AvA is a huge burden on HTC's servers. The AvA isn't being run the way he'd like it to be run. Reminds me of one of Stephen Crane's poems:
In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
Who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said: "Is it good, friend?"
"It is bitter - bitter," he answered;
"But I like it
Because it is bitter,
And because it is my heart."
- oldman
.....and you wonder why some of us don't go in there? We hear "things have changed". Common sense dictates "they never will".
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Hate to say it, but I have to agree with Karaya on this. From what I have seen from forum posts and talking to others. It seems the attitudes that chased some people out are still around. It's the only reason that I won't venture into the AvA arena.
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Maybe its time to get past the hearsay and try it out. This way you can form an opinion based on experience rather then one based on someone elses opinion. It's been alot of fun in there the past few weeks. The 2A's have been populating the place and theres almost no 200 banter of anything other then friendly and respectful chatter. Try it out. Atleast give it a shot. I think you'll be surprised. I think you should try giving people the benefit of the doubt or at the very least a second chance. Again you might be surprised.
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He's just trolling, TC. The Korea-era planes haven't been created and it's not like the AvA is a huge burden on HTC's servers. The AvA isn't being run the way he'd like it to be run. Reminds me of one of Stephen Crane's poems:
In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
Who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said: "Is it good, friend?"
"It is bitter - bitter," he answered;
"But I like it
Because it is bitter,
And because it is my heart."
- oldman
Its no troll oldman, its a legit question posted to the masses. This forum is for discussion of possible scenarios and the AvA just ain't working out. Because you don't agree you label it as a troll, I bet if you posted a poll more people would support trying something else than what clearly isn't working.
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Maybe its time to get past the hearsay and try it out. This way you can form an opinion based on experience rather then one based on someone elses opinion. It's been alot of fun in there the past few weeks. The 2A's have been populating the place and theres almost no 200 banter of anything other then friendly and respectful chatter. Try it out. Atleast give it a shot. I think you'll be surprised. I think you should try giving people the benefit of the doubt or at the very least a second chance. Again you might be surprised.
I gave you guys second, third and fourth chances.
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please define "you guys"?
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please define "you guys"?
JG54
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.....and you wonder why some of us don't go in there? We hear "things have changed". Common sense dictates "they never will".
No one ever accused you of havin common sense :D
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No one ever accused you of havin common sense :D
Does a bear watermelon in the woods? :devil
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JG54
ah ok, thank you very much, just wanted to clarify that.
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ah ok, thank you very much, just wanted to clarify that.
I don't speak hearsay, I deal in facts. I brought people in to help you on two different occasions, but it was for naught. I don't help others who are selfish, or who continually take credit for things they have no business doing. I'll be expecting a few "visitors" soon, which is S.O.P.
I'm done with this thread, because I'm not "gullible". Good luck with your venture.
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Does a bear watermelon in the woods? :devil
Only after I file an environmental impact statement and have a hazmat team on location :D
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I find it consistently interesting that folks will, in one breath, denigrate the idea of a WW1/Korea arena because they want to fly a WW2 sim, but in the same breath, refuse to fly in the AvA- arguably the only arena that approaches a WW2 flight sim arena as opposed to a sandbox with WW2 planes in it.
The AvA should be the most popular arena in AH2. It addresses at least half the most persistent problems whined about in the forums.
I refuse to believe that any type of prevailing "attitude" is the reason folks don't fly in AvA. It has to be more than that.
And no, I don't know what it is, nor why.
I think, personally, that people just don't like so much structure in their game.
But, I don't really know anything after all. :joystick:
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Been around awhile, it's 99.9% attitude related
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JG54
Since the tag itself seems to invite the microscopic scrutiny and hyper-criticism of behavior that is the norm of most other players in any arena, perhaps they should simply disband all squads in the AvA. Then maybe, just maybe, people wouldn't get their panties all in a wad every time they see a JG54 tag in the player list, and instead just shut up and fly.
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O.k. lots of great posts about other variations including WWI and Korea so isn't it time to put something else on the server that some people might actually venture into? The AvA has never even come close to what the CT was and is a block of unused server space, how about we say "so long AvA, hello Korea-WWI?"...
ill put my 2 cents in i think this guy is right :salute
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Hate to say it, but I have to agree with Karaya on this. From what I have seen from forum posts and talking to others. It seems the attitudes that chased some people out are still around. It's the only reason that I won't venture into the AvA arena.
Allaire,
Your own post says... From what I have seen from forum posts and talking to others. You say this is the only reason that you won't venture into the AVA. I encourage you to at least try it sometime and be your own judge. Yes a large number of guys that has flown in the AVA in the past has had bad exepriances. I'm not denying that. If people are looking for personalities to change forget it. It's rare for personalities to change. Attitudes can change however. This is really where the effort is aimed in the AVA lately. Improving the attitude of the arena. There's been some very positive headway along those lines. I'm not suggesting you drink any koolaid or side with this group or another group. I do suggest one evening when you log on and see people in the AVA. Give it a try and form your own opinion based on what you experianced.
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A few rotten apples make the whole bag unattractive.
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I had fun in the AvA on Tuesday evening. That's the only positive thing I have to say so I'll stop there.
I refuse to believe that any type of prevailing "attitude" is the reason folks don't fly in AvA. It has to be more than that.
Nope.
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Different folks may have different reasons to fly or not to fly AvA.
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Its no troll oldman, its a legit question posted to the masses. This forum is for discussion of possible scenarios and the AvA just ain't working out. Because you don't agree you label it as a troll, I bet if you posted a poll more people would support trying something else than what clearly isn't working.
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if jeagr keeps goin the way he is, the ava WILL end up working out.
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.Since the tag itself seems to invite the microscopic scrutiny and hyper-criticism of behavior that is the norm of most other players in any arena, perhaps they should simply disband all squads in the AvA. Then maybe, just maybe, people wouldn't get their panties all in a wad every time they see a JG54 tag in the player list, and instead just shut up and fly.
i don't. i think a lot of others don't either.
they had a few members in that squad(that i hear aren't anymore) that took their pleasure in stirring up as much poop as they could. they did some screwed up things(these members, not the squad), giving the squad a bad rep. i know you're asking why right now. well, i'll tell ya. because they were allowed to remain with that squad.
had i done anyhting like that when i was in the hired guns, or in satans playmates, they'd have kicked me out in the blink of an eye. i believe the sme is true in the 80th.
thus, although those members are out, the squad now has a bit of a rep to overcome. larry and jeagr are working their tulips off to overcome that rep. so is(i think) n7.
i don't avoid em, ad they're ALL good fights.
if jeagr keeps doing what he's doing, i think things will come 'round in the ava.
and when i see other 80th, and SAPP're going in there on a regular basis, i'll bolt in there faster than one could imagine.
:aok
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A few rotten apples make the whole bag unattractive.
dam...wish i read this before i just typed the 2 paragraphs......you said in one sentence what it took me 2 paragraphs. :neener: :rofl
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While we're on the topic of the AvA, I have been in there several times and never had a problem. I guess it's because of my nature--I try to get along with even the worst of people. BUT, I have had a few run-ins with some particular people in the MAs. Only reason I don't go in there is because it is not populated enough.
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i don't. i think a lot of others don't either.
they had a few members in that squad(that i hear aren't anymore) that took their pleasure in stirring up as much poop as they could. they did some screwed up things(these members, not the squad), giving the squad a bad rep. i know you're asking why right now. well, i'll tell ya. because they were allowed to remain with that squad.
had i done anyhting like that when i was in the hired guns, or in satans playmates, they'd have kicked me out in the blink of an eye. i believe the sme is true in the 80th.
thus, although those members are out, the squad now has a bit of a rep to overcome. larry and jeagr are working their tulips off to overcome that rep. so is(i think) n7.
i don't avoid em, ad they're ALL good fights.
if jeagr keeps doing what he's doing, i think things will come 'round in the ava.
and when i see other 80th, and SAPP're going in there on a regular basis, i'll bolt in there faster than one could imagine.
:aok
Appreciate the reply, CAP, but I think you missed where my "criticism", such as it was, was directed.
Too indirect, perhaps.
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I been in the AvA and think its a great place to go really. I enjoy having Fuel burn at 1.0 and the more historical nature of the arena. Radar's flash but don't show you where the planes are, so its for more advanced players in the game. Not your typical "Follow red dot on radar to intercept".
Also carriers going down take hour(s) to respawn compared to 15 minutes in MA.
I flew with JG54 years ago and have to say it was a great bunch of luftwaffe pilots they usually were outnumbered 2:1 always against spitfires and P51's. However such a combination of things will make this arena not work, specifically the skill level being 98% Axis based.
No im not trolling either, but last time I ran into someone in the AvA arena I got muted for laughing at the picking attempts and was muted and left and never came back. Honestly even if you lowered the AvA even to the Late war arena standards of gamey playing ability, I dont think it would do much to revise it.
I do charish the memories of my best flying time was in the AvA arena, so far its only second to FSO.
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A few rotten apples make the whole bag unattractive.
Ah. Don't know where that puts the MAs, then.
- oldman
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Went to AVA tonight and had a blast. Had been gone long time from AVA due to disco issues I had in there but got that fixed I hope.
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Appreciate the reply, CAP, but I think you missed where my "criticism", such as it was, was directed.
Too indirect, perhaps.
yea, i might've.......... :noid
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thus, although those members are out, the squad now has a bit of a rep to overcome. larry and jeagr are working their tulips off to overcome that rep. so is(i think) n7.
I haven't changed a bit and I couldn't care less about any reputation I might have here... Sorry.
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Does a bear watermelon in the woods? :devil
The bigger question is, what does he wipe with? :old:
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I haven't changed a bit and I couldn't care less about any reputation I might have here... Sorry.
Jeez. Now I see what they have been talking about. You guys are never going to change. I mean, don't you know how you act here reflects on how you act in real life? Don't you care what a bunch of middle aged men think of you? Damn, you're acting like this is some kind of game. You really need to grow up. Because if you don't we are going to make multiple posts telling you how much we don't like how you do things. So, play how we want you to play or else mister!
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Ah. Don't know where that puts the MAs, then.
- oldman
Huhh... really. What is the average numbers in the MAs... Now ava numbers. Everything is maginfied in there. That and the omission of AC when it too unbalencing. :rolleyes:
Target I have to disagee a little. While Studio 54 isn't as bad as people make out. They do their best to cultivate the rep they have.
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the omission of AC when it too unbalencing.
Spitfirephobia?
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Jeez. Now I see what they have been talking about. You guys are never going to change. I mean, don't you know how you act here reflects on how you act in real life? Don't you care what a bunch of middle aged men think of you? Damn, you're acting like this is some kind of game. You really need to grow up. Because if you don't we are going to make multiple posts telling you how much we don't like how you do things. So, play how we want you to play or else mister!
This is what I was referring too.
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This is what I was referring too.
I see and who actually started the slide in the thread? Just like the thread from two weeks ago neither N7 or Larry started the feces flinging. Actually they've shown quite a bit of restraint by letting it go as long as they did. If you bang on a person long enough they're going to respond no matter who they are. You really don't have to look too hard to see it hasn't been the JG-54 guys starting the crap the last month. The problem with the AVA the last month has been on this BBS not in the arena. However you don't actually fly on the BBS it's just for typing. Therefore you have no idea how the actual flying is. You really have missed out on some fun nights in there. I still encourage you to try it instead of basing your opinions on what happens on this BBS.
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I see and who actually started the slide in the thread? Just like the thread from two weeks ago neither N7 or Larry started the feces flinging. Actually they've shown quite a bit of restraint by letting it go as long as they did. If you bang on a person long enough they're going to respond no matter who they are. You really don't have to look too hard to see it hasn't been the JG-54 guys starting the crap the last month. The problem with the AVA the last month has been on this BBS not in the arena. However you don't actually fly on the BBS it's just for typing. Therefore you have no idea how the actual flying is. You really have missed out on some fun nights in there. I still encourage you to try it instead of basing your opinions on what happens on this BBS.
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actually, they did start the feces flinging...in response to compliments no less. go figure. guess i was wrong again, and jeagrs efforts are going to go to waste. :rolleyes:
:noid
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The bigger question is, what does he wipe with? :old:
he doesn't he justs :bolt:
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The bigger question is, what does he wipe with? :old:
The rabbit.
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actually, they did start the feces flinging...in response to compliments no less. go figure. guess i was wrong again, and jeagrs efforts are going to go to waste. :rolleyes:
:noid
what do they call it ? reading comprehension 101.......... Larry replying to what might be a possible old squad member? so who is flinging out who? JG54 certianly did not start anything with what has been posted here........
all of you need to get a grip and either put up or shut up......( speaking of the ones that are trying to give the AvsA a bad rep.........and yes I am challenging all of you!!! )
edit: not attacking you, CAP..well unless you flying on the opposite side in an arena somewhere.....then sure.I be glad to spread your 38 parts all over the place for you :aok
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actually, they did start the feces flinging...in response to compliments no less. go figure. guess i was wrong again, and jeagrs efforts are going to go to waste. :rolleyes:
:noid
Jaegers efforts are hardly wasted. Your only wrong if you're letting this BBS get in the way of what's actually happening in the arena itself. If you're going to do that you have only yourself to blame not some internet boogieman.
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Move On?
Where we going?
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what do they call it ? reading comprehension 101.......... Larry replying to what might be a possible old squad member? so who is flinging out who? JG54 certianly did not start anything with what has been posted here........
all of you need to get a grip and either put up or shut up......( speaking of the ones that are trying to give the AvsA a bad rep.........and yes I am challenging all of you!!! )
edit: not attacking you, CAP..well unless you flying on the opposite side in an arena somewhere.....then sure.I be glad to spread your 38 parts all over the place for you :aok
no prob dude....i've talked with ya in the arenas, and ta......i didn't take it as an attack.
ok......maybe what i typed could've been interpreted as poop flinging..........but it wasn't intended as such. it was in all seriousness intended as compliments on their flying, and their trying to revitalize the ava.
as for spreading my 38 parts around? you need to get in line. it's known as the conga line.
there can(it seems to me, or i'm just paranoid) be 5 of us. one or two of us in 38's. we get attacked by either equal or greater numbers. they all go for the 38's first. :noid :airplane: :joystick: :neener:
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Jaegers efforts are hardly wasted. Your only wrong if you're letting this BBS get in the way of what's actually happening in the arena itself. If you're going to do that you have only yourself to blame not some internet boogieman.
nah........like i said before, when i see squaddies and fellow sapp'rs in there, i'll join in.
hell, maybe one night when i'm bored, i might just come in anyway, and pollute the ava landscape with my 38 parts, to test the waters. . :aok :noid
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well, I certianly did not see you flinging any poop........ I was refering to 2 others.....and Shifty was refering to something totally different........
ok, riddle me this....are you 38 pile-its to weak to drink your "Lightining in the bottle" that you got to have those blenders?
I drink mine straight out of the jar :old: only way I know......... :bolt:
edit.....Soulyss and cactus were in their last night flying purty8's....... we had a blast..... :x
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well, I certianly did not see you flinging any poop........ I was refering to 2 others.....and Shifty was refering to something totally different........
ok, riddle me this....are you 38 pile-its to weak to drink your "Lightining in the bottle" that you got to have those blenders?
I drink mine straight out of the jar :old: only way I know......... :bolt:
edit.....Soulyss and cactus were in their last night flying purty8's....... we had a blast..... :x
i can drink from my sapp issued blender, and continue to fly just as i do without drinking anything. :noid :bolt:
seriopusly....in rl.....i'm an incredible lightweight with alcohol. like a sixpack and i'm done kinda lightweight. :rofl :rofl
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Call it what you want to make yourself feel better but I have standards in everything I do... yes even gaming.
Everyone chooses where they draw the line based on their own upbringing or lack thereof. You can say real life... only folks take real life time to enjoy AH. You ruin that and it is real life.
I had backed off a bit to give jaeger a chance to right the wrongs. Too bad some of his own keep putting holes in his boat.