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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Frod on October 31, 2009, 12:14:10 PM
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Why not enable a resupply load for B-24s? This was done routinely during WWII. Waddaya :Osay?
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I say that your nuts :rofl. I'd be VERY supprised if this hasn't been asked for. The board goes back to 2000 if I'm right. Someone almost HAD to have asked for this in the almost 10 years the BBs been here.
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I think B-24 with cargo is a very good idea because like he said it was very normal for B-24 to fly supplies into bases. Plus a B-24 would be able to carry more so you could carry 2 boxes in place of 1. They would have to disable formations for that load out or people could resupply whole bases in 1 go.
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Sounds good to me. :aok
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Very normal?
Yes, it was done. But, very normal?
wrongway
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wrong way, I can't tell: is that a yes, or a no?
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Very normal?
Yes, it was done. But, very normal?
I agree with DemonFox on one thing, disable formations and give them 2 boxes, but there'd have to be some stipulations in place, 2 boxes of field supps in one load? That's a bit of resupp. Second, it wasn't routine (a heavily used purpose for the aircraft), so, I say a light perk on it (5 points?). This will give people a way to blow off their bomber perks, and, can make completly dropping a base a little bit more of a challenge. ;)
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In 'Shot at and Missed' the author writes (pg 40) about a rescue mission where B-24s and B-17s (with supporting fighters and attackers) went into enemy territory and rescued American POWs (1100) as the Germans and Russians were fighting for control of the city (Bucharest). 109s were still sitting on the field and it would have been nice if someone had thought to 'capture' one of them.
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Trigger, if we do get it, it should be perked more like 15, because you can up field immedietly, and its faster than the C-47, AND it has defensive guns....
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Trigger, if we do get it, it should be perked more like 15, because you can up field immedietly, and its faster than the C-47, AND it has defensive guns....
Valid point, I was just bringing up the idea of perking it, plus, it'd give us an something other than the 234s to spend our perks on.
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trigger, has anyone ever told you your avatar looks like a depressed smiley face with a uni-brow if you look at it quickly?
BTW +1 on the idea :aok
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Valid point, I was just bringing up the idea of perking it, plus, it'd give us an something other than the 234s to spend our perks on.
If all this is is a way to burn through perks, then we should be asking for something different all together. Clone, your right, i didn't see it at first, but now I do.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying no to the idea, just that it needs some work.
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trigger, has anyone ever told you your avatar looks like a depressed smiley face with a uni-brow if you look at it quickly?
Erm. No? I though that it was common knowledge that that's what it was. :neener:
Anywho, like the idea, perk it, take out the formations, let it fly.
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Perk it at 15 and that will get rid of at least 25% of the uppers, if not more like 50% or even 75%.
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Perk it at 15 and that will get rid of at least 25% of the uppers, if not more like 50% or even 75%.
Highly unlikely, most of us (not including me, I actually am content with just the 234) have 1000's of buff perks to blow and I'm sure 15 perks is no big deal whatsoever.
As for the defensive guns, did they keep them on during these 'supply runs'?
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I thought they kept them, but I could be wrong :headscratch:.
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Here is one scenario that happened in Bucharest.
As the Russians approached the city the Germans began pulling back valuable hardware while commiting the luftwaffe and infantry to the battle. Stukas supported by 109s were attacking the advancing columns but it was obvious that a tactical withdrawal was in order. The Germans left Rumanians in charge of the allied POWs and they grew more and more nervous as the Russians drew nearer. Finally they opened the gates and released all the prisoners who then scattered and hid any plance they could find. An American Colonel found a Rumanian officer and talked him into flying him to Italy for a reward and capture by Americans versus Russians. So they removed the radio gear and the American officer crammed himself into the available space of a Bf109. The sign of surrender in those days was to fly with your gear down and this got them to the airfield where the situation was explained.
The 15th A.F. then cut orders for every available bomber fighter and attack aircraft available to join in a joint mission the following day. Bombers (B24s and B17s) had their bomb bays covered over with wooden planks in two layers to passenger the men home. Approaching Bucharest at 22000 feet the P47s and A36s set about destroying any resistance in the area while P51s and P38s held air superiority. The luftwaffe and German infantry were quickly swept from the area and the bombers began a spiral descent in to land. More than 1100 men awaited rescue and they boarded the planes with all sorts of souvenirs and eagerly consumed any rations made available.
After landing in Italy and following the celebration anyone that had any part in the rescue or celebration was deloused due to contact with the prisoners.
Now thats something I would love to see on film! Oh and BTW... the 8th A.F. got credit for this in the press. :rolleyes:
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thats roadkill. The 15th got em out. Why did the 8th get credit?
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All the reporters (most anyway) were stationed in England. They got the press release and assumed a bit because of the censored information concerning bases having been removed and so on...
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that seems unfair :headscratch:.
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NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!! Life is unfair. :old:
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thats bullsoup. The 15th got em out. Why did the 8th get credit?
the 15th prolly didn't want to admit they got delouse? but seriously, missions like often required required logistics from more than 1 divison etc. also at the time it was war, so pretty much the pentagon, or whatever was called back then could basically print whatever they wanted as they saw fit, so they 8th did it :). but if u ask me half the credit should go to the Romanians for not shooting the prisoners like they were supposed to, of course the Romanians were also looking for their own interest, but...
semp
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If you were offered the choice between freezing cold russia in a POW camp or a POW camp in england or the states, which would you choose?
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I dont think they were offered anything. and btw russians didnt take prisioners. find out how many germans who were captured at stalingrad and the other cities made it home after the war. and oh yeah they even shot russians that were captured by the germans for failure to fight to the death. war is hell and the glory goes to whoever has the connections :salute
semp
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There were many many German prisoners in Russian gulags following the war.
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RAF used a bunch of Mitchells for transport duties too, not sure if they were armed or not.
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There was transport versions of B24's made if your talking about those I would say yes :aok But our b24 with the ability to carry supplies in the game NO.
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There was transport versions of B24's made if your talking about those I would say yes :aok But our b24 with the ability to carry supplies in the game NO.
C-87 Liberator Express. 287 built in addition to an unknown amount of B-24s converted in the field. In addition there was the C-87A VIP transport version and the C-109 dedicated fuel transport. The US Navy operated 3 RY-1 (C-87s modified to carry 16 passengers), and 5 RY-2 (C-87 modified to carry 20 passengers). The British operated 6 LB-30A transports (mostly used to ferry RAF pilots to the US to ferry back fighters and other planes) and also the Lend-Lease variant of the RY-2, the RY-3 which was given the RAF designation Liberator C.IX.
Also, early model B-24s were used as long range transports between Britain and Egypt and also aided in the evacuation of Java. I believe these were RAF Liberator IIs that were converted for this role.
C-87
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/6/9/4/0857496.jpg)
(http://www.stinsonflyer.com/consolac/c87-4c.jpg)
(http://www.stinsonflyer.com/consolac/c87-3c.jpg)
C-87A
(http://www.airforceone.info/afoGWII_c87a.jpg)
The above photo is of C-87A "Guess Where II" that was the first aircraft specifically assigned for Presidential use. It was used to fly various Cabinet members and Eleanor Roosevelt but never used to fly presidents.
LB30-A
(http://www.aircrashsites-scotland.co.uk/images_liberator_am261/B_24_in_raf_service_web.jpg)
C-109 Fuel Transport
(http://www.cbi-history.com/pictures/c109_2ats.jpg)
ack-ack
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un armed in all the photos.
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Why not enable a resupply load for B-24s? This was done routinely during WWII. Waddaya :Osay?
I would support this only if the option to air drop them is removed and they'd have to land to either off load supplies or troops. The C-87 transports (converted B-24s) did not air drop their supplies.
ack-ack
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I'll take it. But you don't have to land on the runway, any old dirt strip will do.
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Highly unlikely, most of us (not including me, I actually am content with just the 234) have 1000's of buff perks to blow and I'm sure 15 perks is no big deal whatsoever.
As for the defensive guns, did they keep them on during these 'supply runs'?
No, regular B-24s were not used as transports. The B-24s that were converted as transports (C-87/A, RY-1/2/3 and C-109) were all unarmed.
I thought they kept them, but I could be wrong :headscratch:.
un armed in all the photos.
Of course, they were transport versions of the Liberator and came out of the factory unarmed. The B-24s that were converted to C-87/As on the field also had their weapons removed. They didn't need them and I don't recall seeing anything about any being lost due to enemy fighters.
ack-ack
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I thought they flew near the front. But I'm a little tired, that could be part of the problem.
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In the "Timeless Voices of Aviation" series, the crews speak of resupply missions to Army units as well as partisans . No formations, just singles, no escorts. These were armed bombers on special, volunteer missions. Supplies were dropped low usually at night. Hmmmmmm? Maybe a balance to B-29 development in the game? Something to think about.
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how the hell is it a 'balance' to getting a B-29?
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I think what he means is the B-29 can do a lot of damage and a B-24 as resupply can bring in double cargo.
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Oh, OK. I thought he meant like it would kill the B-29's or something :rofl.