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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Chalenge on November 10, 2009, 11:34:38 PM
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President Roosevelt issues his approval to the China-India B-29 basing plan later to be called 'Matterhorn.' Matterhorn calls for the early sustained bombing of Japan and was the blueprint for the strategic air offensive bombing campaign. Not only would the B-29s have to be flown over the Himalayas (The Hump) but so would the air bases since there were none in China at the time.
Bring on the B-29! :bolt:
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I dont think cute pictures of stop signs and kittens is going to make any difference. This is a popular wish and now with recent changes in the game (and those about to come about) the B-29 will be needed.
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/B-29_windshield_view.jpg)
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(http://atomicbombmuseum.org/bombings/b29.jpg)
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Hey I like the B-29 and think it should be in the game, but I'm guessing the guys at HTC have gotten the message already.
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B29 itself? Okay. B29 as another version of a "Lancstuka" for the no-patience "I want my candy NOW" gamers? No.
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+1 No Nuke.
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The B-29 is "needed" how exactly? There isn't a map the existing bombers cannot traverse easily with 100% fuel. Few if any fly the existing bombers over 25k. Even if it was for some odd reason added into the plane set (considering there are a very large number of more valuable planes missing)...it would probably be perked to the point where few could use it.
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it would probably be perked to the point where few could use it.
ya because the 262 perk is too high and its in no way killable eather.
people have plenty of bomber perks sitting around and a B29 is not indestructible.
perk it and play with it i say, and i think most sane people agree no nuke.
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I'm with USHC on this. And if it gets to the point to where it gets less use than the 262 cause no one can afford to fly it, then lower the perks to make use about equivelant to the 262.
B-29 is the 262 of bombers, no getting around that. If we have the 262 which is uber, then we should get the B-29 which is uber.
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The thing about the B-29 is it would allow us to use up some bomber perks. However, it would be perked so heavily that after a while (probably until we ran out of bomber perks, or the novelty wore off), you'd rarely see it in the arenas any more - which would sort of negate the point of adding it...
I'm afraid I still think the A-26 should be added next, just to fulfil the role of a perked bomber.
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read two posts up. I believe I answered your problem.
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Other planes are needed far more than the B-29 or the A-26. There are gaping holes in the EW and MW plane set that need to be addressed first.
ack-ack
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Then do something about it. Don't just sit back and say "we need others first". Start a thread, email hitech.
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The strategic changes to AH are going to make strats much more important to winning the maps and even taking fields. The strats are going to be much larger as well and it will take much more than a few of the currently available bombers to take strats down to the levels of porkage required especially if you are one of the carpet bombing noobs we have now. Really the B-29 has already been needed (for survival if nothing else) but most people have never realized it because they do not attack bombers properly. Most people attack bombers from dead six which is really the dumbest way to do it but if they can manage just one kill most of them are happy because in a one versus one fighter fight they will lose. Bombers are really easy to take down if you do it right because their guns can be defeated so easily and because there are so many fighters that greatly out match their speed. The only real defense the current bombers have is speed and altitude and the smart bomber pilots will hit their targets as quickly as possible from 'service ceiling' and then climb to maximum ceiling as quickly as they can on egress.
The B-29 will make even 163s think twice.
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Before Americas entry into WWII the U.S. in June 1941 had already signed on with England in a super secret agreement to take Europe from Hitler first. The idea was to engage in a holding action in the Pacific designed to allow America to use her resources against one foe at a time. The USAAF at the time was not even allowed to consider strategic bombing an option because her representatives felt that even drawing up a plan might embolden her enemies. At Boeing the executives knew just the same that long range bombers and extremely long range bombers would be needed to fight the war that was coming. So it was that the B-29 was in the planning stages even before the B-17 but the B-29 was such a huge and demanding project that the head start was needed just to get the project underway. When the way was finally cleared to begin planning a strategic campaign (Roosevelt requested a plan for the defeating of Hitler) it was decided that not only would they need a four engine bomber but they would need a bomber that could fly extremely long range. The Army crunched the numbers and decided they would need a force of nearly 2,500,000 personnel in order to win the war and they would save the extremely long range bombers for battling Japan because the bombers would be needed in that theater of war and because it would take time to develop those bombers. They were planning on beginning the bombing of Japan in 1946.
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Other planes are needed far more than the B-29 or the A-26. There are gaping holes in the EW and MW plane set that need to be addressed first.
ack-ack
Those EW and MW planes will do nothing to address the conspicuous lack of perked bombers. That is one of the game's main weaknesses in the plane set at the moment.
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Other planes are needed far more than the B-29 or the A-26. There are gaping holes in the EW and MW plane set that need to be addressed first.
ack-ack
Haven't our last couple planes been EW/MW? B-25, P-39, I-16, and the Brew?
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It's not that I don't think it could be useful...but with the maps in cycle now, it's not useful. Why the AR234 is in when the HE111 and DO17z are missing is beyond me but...if you have that many bomber perks to use up, grab the AR234. Adding another long range high alt bomber to the existing set is akin to having 2 rectums...it's just more crap.
And in case you haven't noticed...there are a lot of "wishlist" threads about planes that are more important overall to the AH war than the B-29.
Those EW and MW planes will do nothing to address the conspicuous lack of perked bombers. That is one of the game's main weaknesses in the plane set at the moment.
Oh really...so B-24J, B-17G and Lancaster all with massive bomb load capacities, high alt capability, and very long range... as well as the AR234 perk bomber...makes the plane set weak? The only weakness is the players who either don't know how or don't have the patience to use the to their advantages...and the B-29 isn't going to make that aspect any better.
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It's not that I don't think it could be useful...but with the maps in cycle now, it's not useful. Why the AR234 is in when the HE111 and DO17z are missing is beyond me but...if you have that many bomber perks to use up, grab the AR234. Adding another long range high alt bomber to the existing set is akin to having 2 rectums...it's just more crap.
And in case you haven't noticed...there are a lot of "wishlist" threads about planes that are more important overall to the AH war than the B-29.
Oh really...so B-24J, B-17G and Lancaster all with massive bomb load capacities, high alt capability, and very long range... as well as the AR234 perk bomber...makes the plane set weak? The only weakness is the players who either don't know how or don't have the patience to use the to their advantages...and the B-29 isn't going to make that aspect any better.
Sorry, I forgot to mention part of my point :p
The Ar-234 actually isn't that useful - yes, it's very fast, but it has an extremely limited bomb load - it can only take three bombs, for a total of 1,500kg (or about 3300 lbs). By contrast, the A-26 could take almost twice that bombload (6000 lbs), it had a huge number of nose mounted .50s (up to 16 of them!), and is still very fast at 355 mph (according to Wikipedia :P). This means that it would be capable of ground attack, high altitude level bombing, dive bombing, NOE runs etc etc. This is a FAR greater capability and flexibility than either the Ar-234 or the B-29 (both of which are effectively limited to level bombing, unless you have a slightly suicidal pilot lol).
The fact that the A-26 would be SO flexible and so capable at all those roles means it would probably see high usage in the MAs, and thus fill the role for a much-needed USEFUL perked bomber.
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It's not that I don't think it could be useful...but with the maps in cycle now, it's not useful. Why the AR234 is in when the HE111 and DO17z are missing is beyond me but...if you have that many bomber perks to use up, grab the AR234. Adding another long range high alt bomber to the existing set is akin to having 2 rectums...it's just more crap.
And in case you haven't noticed...there are a lot of "wishlist" threads about planes that are more important overall to the AH war than the B-29.
Oh really...so B-24J, B-17G and Lancaster all with massive bomb load capacities, high alt capability, and very long range... as well as the AR234 perk bomber...makes the plane set weak? The only weakness is the players who either don't know how or don't have the patience to use the to their advantages...and the B-29 isn't going to make that aspect any better.
He means that the slight lacking of EW/MW planes is the sets only real weak spot.
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I demand the most numerous USAAF bomber at Pearl Harbor, the Douglas B-18 Bolo.
;)
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Actually I liked Pyro's idea for the B29 & nuke question.
While drinking a beer one night at con he talked about adding the B29 & the nuke. With a very very high perk price for the nuke. Like 1 million perks.
He was chuckling when he got to this part. So imagine some dweeb spending 5 years doing nothing but bomber runs to run up enough perks. Hours and hours and tours and tours of milk runs. Finally he gets enough, rolls, approaches his target, drops and the nuke goes "______"
The idea's were flying fast and furious. Some were pretty interesting.
"Crew chief not expecting this mission, Safety devices not removed from device"
"Pilot failed to initiate correct drop procedures, fail safe's not disengaged"
"Nuclear bomb 1 mil perks, plutonium extra"
"Host connection lost, server meltdown"
So yes I expect to see b29 someday soon, yes I expect there to be a nuke in the hanger.
No I won't ever waste the time trying to get enough perks to see if it really goes Kabloooeeee or only "pop"
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Stay on topic. We need the B-29 with the new, and coming changes, no doubt about that.
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Stay on topic. We need the B-29 with the new, and coming changes, no doubt about that.
This is on-topic, and the answer to that is basically no (for now).
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I meant simba.
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I do not want an atom bomb in AH.
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Those EW and MW planes will do nothing to address the conspicuous lack of perked bombers. That is one of the game's main weaknesses in the plane set at the moment.
A lack of a perked bomber is hardly the game's main weakness. however, lack of planes to plug the gap in the EW and MW plane sets are one of the main weakness of the current plane sets and one of the main reasons why arenas like EW, MW and AvA are under populated.
ack-ack
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He means that the slight lacking of EW/MW planes is the sets only real weak spot.
slight lacking? Look at the plane sets in the EW arena, only a couple of those planes truly fall in the EW era. Then you have countries that have glaring holes in their plane sets and some not even represented. Those need to be addressed before we get planes like the B-29 or the A-26, which the only thing they actually bring to the table is that they'll be 'perk bombers'.
ack-ack
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About all they will be good for is the tools who hang out in EW/MW arena, and scenarios. Past that, most of them will be outclassed by LW rides. I know some MW/EW planes have earned a place for themselves in the LW arena, but still you don't see hoards of Huricane MkIIC's around.
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Ack-ack I think you are concentrating on a small area of AH which would be one single little-used arena and scenarios (which may be fun but still a very small part of AH). The LW main arena is the arena that sees the highest use and attracts the most customers. Considering that along with the coming changes to AH as well as the appeal to young and historically minded users alike the B-29 will be a very large contributor to the pocketbooks of AH and could very well fund further development in the areas you desire.
In order to accomplish your desires for more aircraft in early war you will have to become the devils advocate and throw your hat into the 'I want the B-29' ring.
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Thats a good point chalange, I was looking at it from a gamer's stand point, but (asside from those who will quit (if any) because HTC adds the B-29 for fear it will kill their KTD ratio) it would benifit HTC to add the B-29.
What I don't believe is that even if we get the plane set filled out, the people who say no the the B-29 now will just say "OK, now we can add it".
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I'm thinking if the EW stuff was a bit more fleshed out. It might just be a bit more popular.
As it stands now it's just free hurri IICs and that is no fun.
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About all they will be good for is the tools who hang out in EW/MW arena, and scenarios. Past that, most of them will be outclassed by LW rides. I know some MW/EW planes have earned a place for themselves in the LW arena, but still you don't see hoards of Huricane MkIIC's around.
Ahh...the little boy is starting to hurdle insults because someone disagrees with him? Why are those that fly in the EW or MW 'tools'? Maybe those that fly in those arenas don't want to have to contend with the myriad of unskilled players like yourself that can only fly in a hord.
ack-ack
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The LW main arena is the arena that sees the highest use and attracts the most customers.
Fill out the plane set with more useful planes than late war super bombers and low production speed queen fighters then see what happens to the EW and MW arenas...actual historical aficionados have a better appreciation for early and mid war aircraft than the Spixteen and Runstang dweebs have for a B-29.
When truly useful planes like the plethora of missing Luftwaffe and Russian bombers get put in...then there will be a place for the B-29...until then it's just another AR234. And talk about a major project to model correctly...the HE-111, Do-17z and Pe-2 would be easier.
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Ack-ack I think you are concentrating on a small area of AH which would be one single little-used arena and scenarios (which may be fun but still a very small part of AH). The LW main arena is the arena that sees the highest use and attracts the most customers. Considering that along with the coming changes to AH as well as the appeal to young and historically minded users alike the B-29 will be a very large contributor to the pocketbooks of AH and could very well fund further development in the areas you desire.
In order to accomplish your desires for more aircraft in early war you will have to become the devils advocate and throw your hat into the 'I want the B-29' ring.
The main reason why the EW, AvA and to a certain extent the MW arena are underpopulated isn't because those 'eras' are not favored by the majority of the players, it's because there is a serious lack of aircraft for those time lines. Look at the EW plane set we have, most of them aren't really EW era aircraft and belong more in the MW time line. Fill in the gaps in the EW plane set and you'll see an increase in the population for that arena, with the side benefit of also increasing the population of the AvA arena as you'll be able to run weekly set ups with a historically accurate plane set instead of mix and matching planes from different time lines.
ack-ack
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The main reason why the EW, AvA and to a certain extent the MW arena are underpopulated isn't because those 'eras' are not favored by the majority of the players, it's because there is a serious lack of aircraft for those time lines. Look at the EW plane set we have, most of them aren't really EW era aircraft and belong more in the MW time line. Fill in the gaps in the EW plane set and you'll see an increase in the population for that arena, with the side benefit of also increasing the population of the AvA arena as you'll be able to run weekly set ups with a historically accurate plane set instead of mix and matching planes from different time lines.
ack-ack
What he said.
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Ahh...the little boy is starting to hurdle insults because someone disagrees with him? Why are those that fly in the EW or MW 'tools'? Maybe those that fly in those arenas don't want to have to contend with the myriad of unskilled players like yourself that can only fly in a hord.
ack-ack
Nope, I went in there one time and everyone ran to the other side of the arena, in EW at least. I might not be able to say that about the MW players. And I never fly in a hoard. All I was saying is that EW and some MW planes aren't popular, or are just too outclassed by better preforming A/C.
You've read far too much into my post. I don't usually hide info in my posts, so its pointless to try and find some hidden meaning to my words as you will come to false conclusions.
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Nope, I went in there one time and everyone ran to the other side of the arena, in EW at least. I might not be able to say that about the MW players. And I never fly in a hoard. All I was saying is that EW and some MW planes aren't popular, or are just too outclassed by better preforming A/C.
You've read far too much into my post. I don't usually hide info in my posts, so its pointless to try and find some hidden meaning to my words as you will come to false conclusions.
You called people that flew in the EW and MW arena 'tools', how can one not miss the point you were trying to make about those that fly in those arenas or make a false conclusion by your insult?
LW aircraft are popular with unskilled players such as yourself that rely on needing the fastest plane in order to run from a fight, not that EW or MW planes are unpopular or outclassed. It's an undeniable fact that I, in my "MW" plane, will beat the crap out of you in any LW fighter you fly and it really wouldn't even be a fair match nor a fight that would last more than a couple of turns off the merge.
ack-ack
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It's an undeniable fact that I, in my "MW" plane, will beat the crap out of you in any LW fighter you fly and it really wouldn't even be a fair match nor a fight that would last more than a couple of turns off the merge.
ack-ack
I'll start the pool.
$5 says he wont make it past the first turn after the merge. :D
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The main reason why the EW, AvA and to a certain extent the MW arena are underpopulated ...
I am not disagreeing with you I am merely pointing out that by giving a little you get a lot more. Ask yourself one question: Which plane is asked for more than any other by two-weekers? I have noticed a dip in numbers online and I think this would help bring numbers up and increase profits for HTC.
I also have a suggestion for HTC for when they put the B-29 in the game. Historically at the time General LeMay decided to switch to low level bombing (using incendiaries which we probably will never have...) he also ordered that the upper and lower guns be removed from the turrets. The reason was to conserve fuel because at lower altitudes the engines are not as efficient. So if the B-29 is flown short distance (lets say 25 and 50% fuel depending on performance versus time required to get to altitude) the only guns it should have are the two .50s and one 20mm in the tail. That should help to keep it from being used as a hangar killer but also it should be the one bomber that always has manual calibration required.
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I rarely run unless its pointless to continue (turnfighting A6M's in a Fw190D or simmilar situation) and even then i come back and do some more damage or need to change my position to help out a squadie. The only time I truely run is if I have damage (such as engine oil, or fuel leak in my last remaining tank) that doesn't allow me to continue to fight.
I don't deny that your a better pilot than I am, but it all boils down to expierence. I'm a relativly new player. And it depends on your plane. If you say you can beat my P-51D in a P-39Q, it may be so, but I doubt it would be as bad for me as you say. Unless there are rules somewhere that say a fight is over if the fighting A/C are more than 1.5K distance from each other, then if we fought, I would use my advantages for all they're worth. Only an inexpierenced pilot would hold off on using advantages unless intending to lengthen the fight.
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If you say you can beat my P-51D in a P-39Q, it may be so, but I doubt it would be as bad for me as you say.
Me in a P-38J and you in any LW plane will be as bad for you as I say.
ack-ack
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Again, it may be so, but only if I'm unable to use advantages I have. I'm not going to turnfight you, thats for certian, and if you can't get within firing range, thats your problem.
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Me in a P-38J and you in any LW plane will be as bad for you as I say.
ack-ack
I'd take him in an Emil...
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For some reason, I feel we have gotten off topic. Is there any REAL reason besides "we need others first" for not adding the B-29?
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Again, it may be so, but only if I'm unable to use advantages I have. I'm not going to turnfight you, thats for certian, and if you can't get within firing range, thats your problem.
Even if you use the 'advantages' you have, the fight will be very short. The only way the fight would last more than 30 seconds is if you would run away and not engage.
ack-ack
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For some reason, I feel we have gotten off topic. Is there any REAL reason besides "we need others first" for not adding the B-29?
In virtually all the B-29 wish list threads, players have repeatedly stated reasons why other planes should receive priority ahead of the B-29. That you choose to ignore them because they don't mesh with what you want is an entirely different matter and speaks volumes about your thought process than anything else.
ack-ack
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Come on guys stay on topic! :old:
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I said "besides 'we need others first'" indicating I was acknowledging that was a valid reason.
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Even if you use the 'advantages' you have, the fight will be very short. The only way the fight would last more than 30 seconds is if you would run away and not engage.
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Engaging doesn't mean turn fighting. It includes BnZ'ing and anything else relating to combat.
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Engaging doesn't mean turn fighting. It includes BnZ'ing and anything else relating to combat.
You said stay on topic... ;)
And Ack-Ack's right on all counts here (about the B-29 and him being able to beat you [and almost certainly me as well] in any plane with functional guns)...but I still want the A-26 first :P
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I'll start the pool.
$5 says he wont make it past the first turn after the merge. :D
I'll bet my perks the oft-posting youngling will pwn ack-ack's 38 with his BnZ Spixteen skillz! ;)
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No. :aok
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I was origionaly going to fight Ack Ack with my P-51. But that outclimbs me, I'll have to look for a new plane. Maybe the spixteen, or maybe the hellkitty.
And Yossarian, I'll fight both you and ack-ack when I get back on. I just have to get method of mayment working.
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I was origionaly going to fight Ack Ack with my P-51. But that outclimbs me, I'll have to look for a new plane. Maybe the spixteen, or maybe the hellkitty.
I'm quite certain that I could beat you in a Bf 109E-4 with you flying a P51D.
Also the P51 climbs better than the F6F, both in sustained in zoom climb I believe.
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Yes, but I was concidering abandoning the BnZ tactic for this fight.
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Yes, but I was concidering abandoning the BnZ tactic for this fight.
"It's not a question of where he grips it, it's a simple question of weight ratios! A 5 ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut!"
It doesn't matter how you fight or with what style or plane, the simple fact of the matter is that you need experience and practical know how to do anything.
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Engaging doesn't mean turn fighting. It includes BnZ'ing and anything else relating to combat.
Again, the only way you'd last more than 30 seconds is if you'd run and not engage. It's not an idle boast, I'm merely stating a fact.
ack-ack
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I'll bet my perks the oft-posting youngling will pwn ack-ack's 38 with his BnZ Spixteen skillz! ;)
And after he looses, do you want to be next in your Dweebfire Mk XVI?
ack-ack
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Oh please Motherland, been there done that, and we all know what happened - yep, you kicked my backside all over the place :D :D :D
Sorry Bubi, sorta kinda just had to ;)
(ok, back to what you were doing (oh, and my moneys on Ack-Ack))
Wurzel
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President Roosevelt issues his approval to the China-India B-29 basing plan later to be called 'Matterhorn.' Matterhorn calls for the early sustained bombing of Japan and was the blueprint for the strategic air offensive bombing campaign. Not only would the B-29s have to be flown over the Himalayas (The Hump) but so would the air bases since there were none in China at the time.
Bring on the B-29! :bolt:
Most creative B-29 wish I have seen so far.
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Again, standard dueling rules nem wouldn't last one turn past the merge.
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Where are the "standard dueling rules"? I wish to study them so I won't unknowingly violate one during the fight.
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Where are the "standard dueling rules"? I wish to study them so I won't unknowingly violate one during the fight.
- If you challenge a player, they have the choice of the first round plane set.
- The fuel will be 25% unless otherwise stated as being a handicap for a particular contestant.
- Only two contestants to a dog fight.
- Only one dog fight at a time.
- The winner of a round has the choice of the next plane set.
- Both contestants must get a fresh plane before the next round.
- The bout winner will be best out of five rounds.
- Rounds must start Co Alt and Co E before the initial merge. This means no going above the agreed altitude before the initial merge in order to gain more E then your opponent, but you may dive under your opponent once you are in icon range
- No Head-Ons on the initial merge.
- No rams.
- If you get more then 2.5K from your opponent while your plane’s nose is pointed away from him, you lose that round. If both contestants are nose away, that round is forfeit. This includes altitude.
- Any modifications of the these rules must be noted in text upon take-off of the first round, and both contestants must agree in text before the initial merge of the first round. This includes any fuel handicaps.
ack-ack
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Where are the "standard dueling rules"? I wish to study them so I won't unknowingly violate one during the fight.
Very simple if you won you must have broken one of the rules.
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Wurzel! Long time no see!
Oh please Motherland, been there done that, and we all know what happened - yep, you kicked my backside all over the place :D :D :D
Sorry Bubi, sorta kinda just had to ;)
Wurzel
You're too modest... I've been pushed to the edge of my seat about every time I've fought you. :salute
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OK, and I think I'm going with my La-7 for this one, its the plane I have the most fighting expierence with, and it has good firepower.
So may I carry 75% fuel? Or do you want 50%?
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Nemesis some advice
Go cram 20 years of flight simming in before you dual Akak
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Wurzel! Long time no see!You're too modest... I've been pushed to the edge of my seat about every time I've fought you. :salute
Too long no see Bubi, always enjoy fighting ya mate, always fun.
:salute
Wurzel
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I don't really care if I win. I've already admited he was most likely better than me. To think all this started because I said a lot of the EW and some of the MW planes were outclassed by LW rides.
Edit: Ack Ack, I'll let you know when I get back on so we can set a date and time for our duel.
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I don't really care if I win. I've already admited he was most likely better than me. To think all this started because I said a lot of the EW and some of the MW planes were outclassed by LW rides.
and its been a lot of fun
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I can't say your wrong there phatzo. I'm kinda looking forward to the fight. I'm sellin' tickits :devil.
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I don't really care if I win. I've already admited he was most likely better than me. To think all this started because I said a lot of the EW and some of the MW planes were outclassed by LW rides.
Edit: Ack Ack, I'll let you know when I get back on so we can set a date and time for our duel.
Actually it was because you called the people who fly in the EW and MW "tools" then you went about saying that the MW and EW planes aren't popular...when you get back online...look very closely at what's flying...most nights I'm on the ratio is generally 3 to 1 MW to LW and once in a while you will find an early bird in the hoard tearing up the Spixteen dweebs in a turn fight on the deck.
FYI...if you're gonna take on Ack Ack in his 38, better get on his low 6 and hope he doesn't spot you...anything else and you're dead.
Back on topic...of all the people who post stuff in the wishlist area, the number of B-29 posts since 2005 is maybe 15 and it's the same 6 or 7 people re-posting every 4 or so months...and they take turns. Some of those very same people have posted their support for other more important planes...must be one of those full moon events or something.
Hmmm... :headscratch: I might take the time to investigate who is supporting the B-29 in this thread and in other threads supporting other useless late war "uber allied" aircraft...could be interesting to see if their priorities are self serving or more toward the community.
Ack-ack I think you are concentrating on a small area of AH which would be one single little-used arena and scenarios (which may be fun but still a very small part of AH). The LW main arena is the arena that sees the highest use and attracts the most customers. Considering that along with the coming changes to AH as well as the appeal to young and historically minded users alike the B-29 will be a very large contributor to the pocketbooks of AH and could very well fund further development in the areas you desire.
In order to accomplish your desires for more aircraft in early war you will have to become the devils advocate and throw your hat into the 'I want the B-29' ring.
Chalange...if you call 300+ people in the FSO and 200+ in scenarios a "very small part of AH"...I'd hate to see what you consider the big part of AH. And no, the B-29 would have no impact on the pocketbook of HTC...especially if it's perked like it should be. You don't seriously think there would be sudden higher retention of "2 weekers" just because of the B-29 do you? If you do, I have a really nice piece of land in southern Louisiana I could sell you...complete with a beautiful waterfront view.
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I called them tools because when I went into the arena, they all went to the otherside of the map, or loged out. I do admit MW might be different. I said they aren't as popular, and mostly about EW planes. Same for them being outclassed by LW fighters, I mostly meant the EW planes, since there are some great MW birds.
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And I'm changing to the Fw190A5.
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I don't really care if I win. I've already admited he was most likely better than me. To think all this started because I said a lot of the EW and some of the MW planes were outclassed by LW rides.
Edit: Ack Ack, I'll let you know when I get back on so we can set a date and time for our duel.
actually, you called those that flew in the EW and MW tools for no reason other than insult those that choose to fly in those arenas.
About all they will be good for is the tools who hang out in EW/MW arena, and scenarios. Past that, most of them will be outclassed by LW rides. I know some MW/EW planes have earned a place for themselves in the LW arena, but still you don't see hoards of Huricane MkIIC's around.
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That gives no reason for my insult. I've said before, they ran to the far side of the arena, or loged out when I came near. For that, they are tools. Had I given them some reason to avoid me, then I could see some sense in their actions, but as I had just logged on, and went to the nearest base with friendlies at it, I hadn't given them any such reason.
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And after he looses, do you want to be next in your Dweebfire Mk XVI?
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The ;) smiley meant it was a joke, oh wise sage of AH2. I am in awe of your powers of perception.
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Chalange...if you call 300+ people in the FSO and 200+ in scenarios a "very small part of AH"...I'd hate to see what you consider the big part of AH. And no, the B-29 would have no impact on the pocketbook of HTC...especially if it's perked like it should be. You don't seriously think there would be sudden higher retention of "2 weekers" just because of the B-29 do you? If you do, I have a really nice piece of land in southern Louisiana I could sell you...complete with a beautiful waterfront view.
Yes I think those areas (FSO and scenarios) are a very small part of AH because they are not ongoing on a day-to-day basis. Yes I think the 'cool factor' of a B-29 in AH would hold interest a lot longer. Now if you think the younger set is not attracted to this I have some quality hotel property in Bohol to sell you.
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Nemisis stop digging the hole is plenty deep enough. Just appologise for the broad brush coment.
EW does have a specific group that run from a fight though.
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Challenge sir with all due respect I have to disagree.
FSO with its 500 + crowd 3 out of 4 friday nights is in many respects a bigger draw than the main.
I could list several squadies just off the top of my head who no longer fly in the main.
But who keep an acct with HTC just for FSO.
People in the main come and go, crowd is always changing. People in FSO tend to be very very loyal, and stick around for years and years. In its way it can have just as big an impact as main arena pilots.
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FSO does not attract new customers and yes for the very reason it only happens once a week it is a very small part of AH and the numbers that take part dont make any difference its still just once a week AND by the very rules of FSO new people cannot take part in it.
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Nemisis stop digging the hole is plenty deep enough. Just appologise for the broad brush coment.
EW does have a specific group that run from a fight though.
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Everyone in there (the usual crowd anyway) runs from a fight but if they know there are Lancasters in the air they will all give chase deep behind enemy lines and die just to try and 'ruin their score' as they put it. You have to love noobs! :D
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Yes I think those areas (FSO and scenarios) are a very small part of AH because they are not ongoing on a day-to-day basis. Yes I think the 'cool factor' of a B-29 in AH would hold interest a lot longer. Now if you think the younger set is not attracted to this I have some quality hotel property in Bohol to sell you.
Sorry but you're reaching for some semblance of fact...bad news...the "cool factor" of the fighters draws and retains more players than any other factor...do you have a marketing degree from a tech school or something?
Try again.
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You are funny gyrene but your lame attempt at a put-down FAILS. Fighters are what you and I and most of the purists hold dear but kids dont look at it that way. This is why you get so many kids in the game that will come back time after time strafing the CV and dive bombing GVs with Lancs. You dont understand it (obviously) and I dont either but this is what they want... the B-29.
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Nemisis stop digging the hole is plenty deep enough. Just appologise for the broad brush coment.
EW does have a specific group that run from a fight though.
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I appologize to those that won't run to the other side of the arena when someone new logs in, past that I stand by what I said.
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The next thread on the B-29 will remain on topic! :mad:
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how can we bring the sheep back when you keep asking for some more planes. let the developers spend their time to model the new sheep properly, sheesh where's your priorities. B29 or sheep now which one adds more to the game. :neener:
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Fighters are what you and I and most of the purists hold dear but kids dont look at it that way. This is why you get so many kids in the game that will come back time after time strafing the CV and dive bombing GVs with Lancs. You dont understand it (obviously) and I dont either but this is what they want... the B-29.
So your argument is that the B29 is needed for the squeekers to suicide dive bomb the CV with better efficiency? Excellent idea.
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So your argument is that the B29 is needed for the squeekers to suicide dive bomb the CV with better efficiency? Excellent idea.
I am not surprised you would think that but the obvious answer is only someone that has been on line for a few months (and bombing ALOT) would have the perks to even try it. I know you have not been paying attention over the course of the B-29 threads past (again... obviously) as I have always said I thought the first bomber should be free and drones should be perked. Also... what I have already said in the thread holds true. Guns should be removed on everything but the tail on low fuel bombers. Why would someone use a B-29 when they can lancstuka already and have guns too (or B-24 or B-26 or B-17)? The B-29 is so fast and (in a dive) will pick up speed so fast that dive bombing is not survivable (I believe).
There was a case in Japan where the B-29s hit a munitions dump from 8k. One B-29 was right over a major blast and was blown up to 13k and rolled inverted. Before the plane recovered it was at 3k and only the pilot was still conscious. Food for thought.
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Bombers are big, slow (relative to fighters), and unmanuverable aircraft. Adding one that had 6k more bombs than the lanc, and is faster won't kill the game play. I've got 100$ says you all didn't whine this much when they added the 262. You all act like its untouchable, while the P-47's (all of them) are about 100mph faster than the B-29, and many other fighters can catch them. And as someone stated in another thread, they wouldn't even be able to make it up to 30k with a full bomb load and still go anywhere.
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Bombers are big, slow (relative to fighters), and unmanuverable aircraft. Adding one that had 6k more bombs than the lanc, and is faster won't kill the game play. I've got 100$ says you all didn't whine this much when they added the 262. You all act like its untouchable, while the P-47's (all of them) are about 100mph faster than the B-29, and many other fighters can catch them. And as someone stated in another thread, they wouldn't even be able to make it up to 30k with a full bomb load and still go anywhere.
Who are you talking about?
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Bombers are big, slow (relative to fighters), and unmanuverable aircraft. Adding one that had 6k more bombs than the lanc, and is faster won't kill the game play. I've got 100$ says you all didn't whine this much when they added the 262. You all act like its untouchable, while the P-47's (all of them) are about 100mph faster than the B-29, and many other fighters can catch them. And as someone stated in another thread, they wouldn't even be able to make it up to 30k with a full bomb load and still go anywhere.
Bolded section, I'm adressing everyone opposed to the B-29 for reasons of "it would kill the gameplay". Everything else is just aimed at everyone who opposes the B-29 for other various reasons.
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<----Opposed to it simply due to the fact that it would add nothing to the game except for an uber bomber in the main arenas...that is not to say it would not have its place but as of right now it has as much use as the P-47M. I don't see any of you "pro B-29" fanboiz asking for any actual useful bombers that could be used somewhere besides the main arenas for your own little niche of what you feel is useful.
I also don't see a 100 people jumping on your bandwagon asking for the B-29 in this or any of the previous threads started on it...if it's that much of a poplular notion, where is the popular support? Doesn't exist any more than Chalanges notion that it would help HTC increae revenue.
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My bet is most stay away because these things turn into slugging matches. Not a whole lot of support for your "it would add nothing" notion. Seems to be split pretty evenly.
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<----Opposed to it simply due to the fact that it would add nothing to the game except for an uber bomber in the main arenas...that is not to say it would not have its place but as of right now it has as much use as the P-47M. I don't see any of you "pro B-29" fanboiz asking for any actual useful bombers that could be used somewhere besides the main arenas for your own little niche of what you feel is useful.
I also don't see a 100 people jumping on your bandwagon asking for the B-29 in this or any of the previous threads started on it...if it's that much of a poplular notion, where is the popular support? Doesn't exist any more than Chalanges notion that it would help HTC increae revenue.
Quoted for BS factor... Look... the B-29 served in large numbers in the Pacific and served for two years with distinction. The B-29 was in the planning stages before the B-17 (bet you didnt know that)! The B-29 would also open scenarios to new possibilities just like any other bomber. The B-29 would also teach noobs not to attack bombers from the tail... EVER.
I dont know when the first B-29 post was and it really doesnt matter but I bet it had some suggestion attached to the bomber concerning the NUKE. I think its the nuke that is the bad idea and not the bomber. Why are you afraid of the B-29 gyreene? Make no mistake it is fear because in all honesty there is no viable reason (anymore) to keep the B-29 out of the game! I mean answer the question honestly what major problem is the B-29 going to cause? Is it too heavy for the runways we have? NO. Are the guns too powerful? NO. Is the payload too big? NO. Is it too fast for most planes? Maybe thats what has you worried? Maybe you like the P-39 and you wont get B-29 kills and you feel left out? Thats why Hitech gave you the P-47M you know... its compensation. :D
Yes I think the B-29 is 'cool' and so do a lot of people that 'dont line up on the BBS' for the same reason a lot of users dont even post on the BBS. Its true that the things that make the B-29 cool will not translate to online because online just does not model things like pressurized compartments and radar bombing and directed gun controllers (yes ala Millenium Falcon) but what really makes this airplane cool is something Tibbets himself discovered while training in the B-29 (quite by accident). At 30000 feet the B-29 will out turn a P-47. And for that reason alone it will hold the top cool factor for bombers online.
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OH CHIT!!! I can't wait do dog fight some P-47 stick in my B-29. Thats one of the more likelier planes to meet that high as well. Bet it'll piss off the P-47's who try to attack from behind.