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Offline Chalenge

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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2009, 03:25:11 PM »
Ack-ack I think you are concentrating on a small area of AH which would be one single little-used arena and scenarios (which may be fun but still a very small part of AH). The LW main arena is the arena that sees the highest use and attracts the most customers. Considering that along with the coming changes to AH as well as the appeal to young and historically minded users alike the B-29 will be a very large contributor to the pocketbooks of AH and could very well fund further development in the areas you desire.

In order to accomplish your desires for more aircraft in early war you will have to become the devils advocate and throw your hat into the 'I want the B-29' ring.
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2009, 03:28:42 PM »
Thats a good point chalange, I was looking at it from a gamer's stand point, but (asside from those who will quit (if any) because HTC adds the B-29 for fear it will kill their KTD ratio) it would benifit HTC to add the B-29.

What I don't believe is that even if we get the plane set filled out, the people who say no the the B-29 now will just say "OK, now we can add it".
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2009, 03:29:04 PM »
I'm thinking if the EW stuff was a bit more fleshed out. It might just be a bit more popular.
 As it stands now it's just free hurri IICs and that is no fun.
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2009, 03:46:56 PM »
About all they will be good for is the tools who hang out in EW/MW arena, and scenarios. Past that, most of them will be outclassed by LW rides. I know some MW/EW planes have earned a place for themselves in the LW arena, but still you don't see hoards of Huricane MkIIC's around.

Ahh...the little boy is starting to hurdle insults because someone disagrees with him?  Why are those that fly in the EW or MW 'tools'?  Maybe those that fly in those arenas don't want to have to contend with the myriad of unskilled players like yourself that can only fly in a hord. 


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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2009, 03:47:34 PM »
The LW main arena is the arena that sees the highest use and attracts the most customers.
Fill out the plane set with more useful planes than late war super bombers and low production speed queen fighters then see what happens to the EW and MW arenas...actual historical aficionados have a better appreciation for early and mid war aircraft than the Spixteen and Runstang dweebs have for a B-29.

When truly useful planes like the plethora of missing Luftwaffe and Russian bombers get put in...then there will be a place for the B-29...until then it's just another AR234. And talk about a major project to model correctly...the HE-111, Do-17z and Pe-2 would be easier.
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2009, 03:49:58 PM »
Ack-ack I think you are concentrating on a small area of AH which would be one single little-used arena and scenarios (which may be fun but still a very small part of AH). The LW main arena is the arena that sees the highest use and attracts the most customers. Considering that along with the coming changes to AH as well as the appeal to young and historically minded users alike the B-29 will be a very large contributor to the pocketbooks of AH and could very well fund further development in the areas you desire.

In order to accomplish your desires for more aircraft in early war you will have to become the devils advocate and throw your hat into the 'I want the B-29' ring.

The main reason why the EW, AvA and to a certain extent the MW arena are underpopulated isn't because those 'eras' are not favored by the majority of the players, it's because there is a serious lack of aircraft for those time lines.  Look at the EW plane set we have, most of them aren't really EW era aircraft and belong more in the MW time line.  Fill in the gaps in the EW plane set and you'll see an increase in the population for that arena, with the side benefit of also increasing the population of the AvA arena as you'll be able to run weekly set ups with a historically accurate plane set instead of mix and matching planes from different time lines.


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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2009, 03:52:22 PM »
The main reason why the EW, AvA and to a certain extent the MW arena are underpopulated isn't because those 'eras' are not favored by the majority of the players, it's because there is a serious lack of aircraft for those time lines.  Look at the EW plane set we have, most of them aren't really EW era aircraft and belong more in the MW time line.  Fill in the gaps in the EW plane set and you'll see an increase in the population for that arena, with the side benefit of also increasing the population of the AvA arena as you'll be able to run weekly set ups with a historically accurate plane set instead of mix and matching planes from different time lines.


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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2009, 03:52:32 PM »
Ahh...the little boy is starting to hurdle insults because someone disagrees with him?  Why are those that fly in the EW or MW 'tools'?  Maybe those that fly in those arenas don't want to have to contend with the myriad of unskilled players like yourself that can only fly in a hord. 


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Nope, I went in there one time and everyone ran to the other side of the arena, in EW at least. I might not be able to say that about the MW players. And I never fly in a hoard. All I was saying is that EW and some MW planes aren't popular, or are just too outclassed by better preforming A/C.

You've read far too much into my post. I don't usually hide info in my posts, so its pointless to try and find some hidden meaning to my words as you will come to false conclusions.
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2009, 03:58:09 PM »
Nope, I went in there one time and everyone ran to the other side of the arena, in EW at least. I might not be able to say that about the MW players. And I never fly in a hoard. All I was saying is that EW and some MW planes aren't popular, or are just too outclassed by better preforming A/C.

You've read far too much into my post. I don't usually hide info in my posts, so its pointless to try and find some hidden meaning to my words as you will come to false conclusions.

You called people that flew in the EW and MW arena 'tools', how can one not miss the point you were trying to make about those that fly in those arenas or make a false conclusion by your insult?

LW aircraft are popular with unskilled players such as yourself that rely on needing the fastest plane in order to run from a fight, not that EW or MW planes are unpopular or outclassed.  It's an undeniable fact that I, in my "MW" plane, will beat the crap out of you in any LW fighter you fly and it really wouldn't even be a fair match nor a fight that would last more than a couple of turns off the merge.


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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2009, 04:01:36 PM »
  It's an undeniable fact that I, in my "MW" plane, will beat the crap out of you in any LW fighter you fly and it really wouldn't even be a fair match nor a fight that would last more than a couple of turns off the merge.


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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2009, 04:09:47 PM »
The main reason why the EW, AvA and to a certain extent the MW arena are underpopulated ...

I am not disagreeing with you I am merely pointing out that by giving a little you get a lot more. Ask yourself one question: Which plane is asked for more than any other by two-weekers? I have noticed a dip in numbers online and I think this would help bring numbers up and increase profits for HTC.

I also have a suggestion for HTC for when they put the B-29 in the game. Historically at the time General LeMay decided to switch to low level bombing (using incendiaries which we probably will never have...) he also ordered that the upper and lower guns be removed from the turrets. The reason was to conserve fuel because at lower altitudes the engines are not as efficient. So if the B-29 is flown short distance (lets say 25 and 50% fuel depending on performance versus time required to get to altitude) the only guns it should have are the two .50s and one 20mm in the tail. That should help to keep it from being used as a hangar killer but also it should be the one bomber that always has manual calibration required.
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2009, 04:10:09 PM »
I rarely run unless its pointless to continue (turnfighting  A6M's in a Fw190D or simmilar situation) and even then i come back and do some more damage or need to change my position to help out a squadie. The only time I truely run is if I have damage (such as engine oil, or fuel leak in my last remaining tank) that doesn't allow me to continue to fight.


I don't deny that your a better pilot than I am, but it all boils down to expierence. I'm a relativly new player. And it depends on your plane. If you say you can beat my P-51D in a P-39Q, it may be so, but I doubt it would be as bad for me as you say. Unless there are rules somewhere that say a fight is over if the fighting A/C are more than 1.5K distance from each other, then if we fought, I would use my advantages for all they're worth. Only an inexpierenced pilot would hold off on using advantages unless intending to lengthen the fight.
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2009, 04:22:51 PM »
If you say you can beat my P-51D in a P-39Q, it may be so, but I doubt it would be as bad for me as you say.

Me in a P-38J and you in any LW plane will be as bad for you as I say.


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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2009, 04:30:47 PM »
Again, it may be so, but only if I'm unable to use advantages I have. I'm not going to turnfight you, thats for certian, and if you can't get within firing range, thats your problem.
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Re: November 10, 1943 - Cairo
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2009, 04:34:27 PM »
Me in a P-38J and you in any LW plane will be as bad for you as I say.


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