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Title: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Drewster327 on November 11, 2009, 02:10:50 PM
I know lately a lot of people have been muted in chat including me. But I know what I said and it was nothing offensive. I would like to ask to skuzzy and the admins if we could have more indepth guidelines of what's appropriate and what's not. Obviously Swearing out the word is not appropriate obviously, but what is appropriate and a mutable offense that's not the actual word For instance Abreviations etc. I know I got muted for say F!$% that and some others got muted for saying F that, so I ask how is that offensive? Surely it's not going to offend a young child because it's not even a word, it leaves it to the imagination it would be anything Freak that, Fudge that, etc. Which brings me to the next thing is that with all the muting it gives people who don't like other people to get them an excuse to report their nemesis for "abusive language" such as those above that aren't even offensive and anyone that does that is sorry to say is a jerk move. So can we get some more in depth guidelines of what's appropriate and whats not so we know what to avoid so we don't get muted for rediculous reasons.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Boxboy on November 11, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Heheheh welcome to the "politically correct" world where the waterboys have taken over the world.  HTC put in the "report" function for bad situations, the pc crowd have used it to advance their agenda, don't take personal and just stay off text an all will be well ;)
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Twizzty on November 11, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
So when you said "F!$% that", what four letter F word were you going for?

BTW, you are the one giving them the excuse to mute you, not the system. Don't F anything...see how that works for ya!  :aok
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Banshee7 on November 11, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
So when you said "F!$% that", what four letter F word were you going for?

BTW, you are the one giving them the excuse to mute you, not the system. Don't F anything...see how that works for ya!  :aok

Agreed.  :aok
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Drewster327 on November 11, 2009, 02:40:05 PM
It's not a word, so how is it offensive. infact how is the letter F offensive at all, like I said it could mean anything, fudge, frack, freak, frick. It's just rediculous how sensitive people are to the letter F. But if someone comes in and tells us that the Letter F or abreviations are no longer allowed that's fine, I'll avoid them, but just being muted for that is a little too strict especially since I didn't know that the letter F with asteriks "foul language"
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Banshee7 on November 11, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
It's not a word, so how is it offensive. infact how is the letter F offensive at all, like I said it could mean anything, fudge, frack, freak, frick. It's just rediculous how sensitive people are to the letter F.

If it meant any of those words you would most likely type them out.  The only reason to use the letter "F" or "F#$%" is to hide a specific word because you know it's bad and will not fly.  You deserve the punishment you received, end of story.  Have a nice day!  :aok
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Twizzty on November 11, 2009, 02:55:10 PM
It's not a word, so how is it offensive. infact how is the letter F offensive at all, like I said it could mean anything, fudge, frack, freak, frick. It's just rediculous how sensitive people are to the letter F. But if someone comes in and tells us that the Letter F or abreviations are no longer allowed that's fine, I'll avoid them, but just being muted for that is a little too strict especially since I didn't know that the letter F with asteriks "foul language"

Here is a shovel, keep digging!
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Drewster327 on November 11, 2009, 03:07:19 PM
well if it's not appropriate then I'll avoid it, but how would I have known, so as I was saying before we need some regulations of what we can and can't say, such as the letter F or !$!# because it's SOOOOO offensive, last I remember Swear words were just that, actually "WORDS" :furious
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: waystin2 on November 11, 2009, 03:11:01 PM
How about conducting yourself with a slight bit of respectfulness at all times?  It works wonders for me.  Then you do not have to worry about where the line is, how close you can get to it, and where you cross it. :aok
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Bronk on November 11, 2009, 03:12:43 PM
I'd say BBS rules somewhat apply to arenas..


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html
6- Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.


Take note of the enlarged type.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Soulyss on November 11, 2009, 03:13:10 PM
*edit* Whoops Bronk beat me to it. :)
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Drewster327 on November 11, 2009, 03:30:28 PM
Most of the profanity filters in the games I play actually filter words by doing this "!$%" so I never thought it would be offensive
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Bronk on November 11, 2009, 03:34:13 PM
IF you just would have done "$%^%!!!!!" it would have been fine. You however preceded it with an F, making it an attempt to bypass the filter.



NEXT

Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
It's not a word, so how is it offensive. infact how is the letter F offensive at all, like I said it could mean anything, fudge, frack, freak, frick. It's just rediculous how sensitive people are to the letter F. But if someone comes in and tells us that the Letter F or abreviations are no longer allowed that's fine, I'll avoid them, but just being muted for that is a little too strict especially since I didn't know that the letter F with asteriks "foul language"

Then just simply post what your meant and all will be good.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: boomerlu on November 11, 2009, 03:38:01 PM
Uhh all the guys bashing the OP....

You realize that things like foook, fk, chit, etc which are more indicative of the word trying to be censored PASS the filter? Yet when the OP self-censors more of the word than these instances do... he gets muted?

Seems weird to me.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: SEraider on November 11, 2009, 03:39:57 PM
There are no guiedliness other than if you catch them in a bad mood, you are getting muted.  That happens to everybody. 

Soon enough you'll just laugh it's so rediculous.

Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 11, 2009, 03:41:19 PM
It's not a word, so how is it offensive. infact how is the letter F offensive at all, like I said it could mean anything, fudge, frack, freak, frick. It's just rediculous how sensitive people are to the letter F. But if someone comes in and tells us that the Letter F or abreviations are no longer allowed that's fine, I'll avoid them, but just being muted for that is a little too strict especially since I didn't know that the letter F with asteriks "foul language"

Masked vulgarity is still vuglarity.  Maybe when you get a little bit older you'll understand, until then enjoy your time out from chat, I know I will.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2009, 03:48:21 PM
Uhh all the guys bashing the OP....

You realize that things like foook, fk, chit, etc which are more indicative of the word trying to be censored PASS the filter? Yet when the OP self-censors more of the word than these instances do... he gets muted?

Seems weird to me.
I have seen no one bashing the OP. He comes to the boards asking about something that he should be calling HT about.

The other words getting by does not make what he is doing right. If you'd like to see something similar..... try travaling with a couple of other trucks down the highway at higher than posted speed. Cop may pull just you over..... if you ask why he picked you, he'll probably tell you it's like duck hunting..... you can't get them all.  :aok
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Bronk on November 11, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
Uhh all the guys bashing the OP....

You realize that things like foook, fk, chit, etc which are more indicative of the word trying to be censored PASS the filter? Yet when the OP self-censors more of the word than these instances do... he gets muted?

Seems weird to me.
Please point out where I bashed the OP. He asked, I answered to the best of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: boomerlu on November 11, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
The other words getting by does not make what he is doing right. If you'd like to see something similar..... try travaling with a couple of other trucks down the highway at higher than posted speed. Cop may pull just you over..... if you ask why he picked you, he'll probably tell you it's like duck hunting..... you can't get them all.  :aok
As far as bashing, that's the tone I read into everybody else's posts. It's fine if I'm wrong on that.

On the other hand... him not being right does not make it FAIR. And that's my point. If this happened to me, I wouldn't be angry at being censored but with all the other versions slipping by, especially in AH where these variations are COMMON and almost accepted as substitutes. Maybe I am taking my personal lens to what the OP was asking about, but that's how I see it.

And with the cop, it's a completely different situation. There's ONE cop and therefore he can only catch one person at a time. The profanity filter could easily catch at LEAST the common variations that I've mentioned in addition to the less obvious F!(%*^ variation.

Edit: the proper police analogy in this case would be IGNORING the guy driving at 150 mph while catching the guy driving at 70 mph but trying to slow down to the limit when he sees the cop.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2009, 04:01:37 PM
As far as bashing, that's the tone I read into everybody else's posts. It's fine if I'm wrong on that.

On the other hand... him not being right does not make it FAIR. And that's my point. If this happened to me, I wouldn't be angry at being censored but with all the other versions slipping by, especially in AH where these variations are COMMON and almost accepted as substitutes. Maybe I am taking my personal lens to what the OP was asking about, but that's how I see it.

And with the cop, it's a completely different situation. There's ONE cop and therefore he can only catch one person at a time. The profanity filter could easily catch at LEAST the common variations that I've mentioned in addition to the less obvious F!(%*^ variation.

Edit: the proper police analogy in this case would be IGNORING the guy driving at 150 mph while catching the guy driving at 70 mph but trying to slow down to the limit when he sees the cop.

They all get caught sooner or later.

If someone wants to play the word game they must expect it coming one day
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: boomerlu on November 11, 2009, 04:06:25 PM
They all get caught sooner or later.

If someone wants to play the word game they must expect it coming one day
Once again, you miss the point.

If it takes an equal effort to catch... say a killer or a speeder, who would you rather catch first? Obviously the killer.

Something obviously worse gets by while something obviously less harmful gets caught when it's just as easy to catch one as the other. Doesn't make sense. Justice may be served tomorrow, but that doesn't make today's treatment more just.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: hitech on November 11, 2009, 04:06:56 PM
Quote
On the other hand... him not being right does not make it FAIR. And that's my point. If this happened to me, I wouldn't be angry at being censored but with all the other versions slipping by, especially in AH where these variations are COMMON and almost accepted as substitutes. Maybe I am taking my personal lens to what the OP was asking about, but that's how I see it.

Any attempt to bypass is not acceptable, including the ones you posted. The rules are perfectly fair. They apply to all.  The filter did not trip him up, the common judgment of people in the arena tripped him up. It is impossible to write a filter to catch all, so we have back up systems such as moderators and the report feature.

99% of the time someone comes here and post something like this, they are posting only the final statement that broke the camels back.
......
Skuzzy walks in my office after I typed above, and also was reading this but we had no knowledge of each other reading.
Skuzzy looked at the logs and muted him. And as I said about 99% of the time, I was correct.

Since you asked it was not what you state why you were muted, but many other incidences that showed up in the logs.
HiTech
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: boomerlu on November 11, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Any attempt to bypass is not acceptable, including the ones you posted. The rules are perfectly fair. They apply to all.  The filter did not trip him up, the common judgment of people in the arena tripped him up. It is impossible to write a filter to catch all, so we have back up systems such as moderators and the report feature.

99% of the time someone comes here and post something like this, they are posting only the final statement that broke the camels back.
......
Skuzzy walks in my office after I typed above, and also was reading this but we had no knowledge of each other reading.
Skuzzy looked at the logs and muted him. And as I said about 99% of the time, I was correct.

Since you asked it was not what you state why you were muted, but many other incidences that showed up in the logs.
HiTech
Ok, I got it. It's not the filter. No more complaints here.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Drewster327 on November 11, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
Thanks for the response hi-tech, can you PM me what I said that got me muted so I can avoid it in the future. But is saying thing such as F that or Fug or Frik bypassing? BTW I'm not appreciating everyone jumping and insulting me in here.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2009, 04:28:17 PM
Once again, you miss the point.

If it takes an equal effort to catch... say a killer or a speeder, who would you rather catch first? Obviously the killer.

Something obviously worse gets by while something obviously less harmful gets caught when it's just as easy to catch one as the other. Doesn't make sense. Justice may be served tomorrow, but that doesn't make today's treatment more just.

You miss the point.... derogatory terminology is what it is. It's all bad. Play the word game and one day they will be caught.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 11, 2009, 04:30:34 PM
Thanks for the response hi-tech, can you PM me what I said that got me muted so I can avoid it in the future. But is saying thing such as F that or Fug or Frik bypassing? BTW I'm not appreciating everyone jumping and insulting me in here.

Any attempt to bypass is not acceptable, including the ones you posted.
HiTech

I think that pretty much answers your question.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 11, 2009, 04:33:54 PM
Thanks for the response hi-tech, can you PM me what I said that got me muted so I can avoid it in the future. But is saying thing such as F that or Fug or Frik bypassing? BTW I'm not appreciating everyone jumping and insulting me in here.

Well drew... what were you looking for..a shoulder to cry on? When you have this type of problem it is better to call HT. These type posts never do well on the boards where they really do not belong.

Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: boomerlu on November 11, 2009, 04:39:50 PM
You miss the point.... derogatory terminology is what it is. It's all bad. Play the word game and one day they will be caught.
Last time I'll write on this, especially since HT answered my concerns.

It's not IF you get caught. It's WHEN - before somebody who's a much worse offender or afterwards?

And no, not everybody is caught because not all of it is used in a context which offends people (i.e., squad chats for example, among friends who don't care). FWIW, I feel much better with HT's post and explanation - I mostly trust the reporting system when it's filtered through their judgement.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: lyric1 on November 11, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
I would like to add to the wish list too include pictogram's for the text buffer like the ones in the forums for the benefit of those who can't write the written word with out getting in trouble. :neener: <----Like this one. :bolt:
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: stodd on November 11, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
Here is a shovel, keep digging!
Twizzty, would you report someone for typing or saying over vox "F that"?
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Banshee7 on November 11, 2009, 06:41:02 PM
Any attempt to bypass is not acceptable, including the ones you posted. The rules are perfectly fair. They apply to all.  The filter did not trip him up, the common judgment of people in the arena tripped him up. It is impossible to write a filter to catch all, so we have back up systems such as moderators and the report feature.

99% of the time someone comes here and post something like this, they are posting only the final statement that broke the camels back.
......
Skuzzy walks in my office after I typed above, and also was reading this but we had no knowledge of each other reading.
Skuzzy looked at the logs and muted him. And as I said about 99% of the time, I was correct.

Since you asked it was not what you state why you were muted, but many other incidences that showed up in the logs.
HiTech

Mr. Hitech, just a little observation I made the other day:  The "s" word that usually is a substitute for feces or poop gets through the filter.  I let it slip  :o and never received any message like "Continued use of profanity..."  After I read it I waited for a mute message but never got it. 
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Bear76 on November 11, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
Twizzty, would you report someone for typing or saying over vox "F that"?
Would a cat pose for a picture with a piece of cheese on its head?
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: stodd on November 11, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
Would a cat pose for a picture with a piece of cheese on its head?
:lol Apparentally so.....unless it was tricked  :noid :noid
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: sidey on November 11, 2009, 07:38:25 PM
A japanese squaddie of mine wondered what this PM was about, i reassured him it was a compliment on his technique lol.

However it just shows you can make your point without using profanities

(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg211/sideburnjoe/stoddwhine.jpg)
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: stodd on November 11, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
Yep I remember that vaguely, I think he dropped down from his perch and ho'd me in a niki.(Your squad's good at picking with alt) He probably swore at me in Japanese because I had no clue what he was saying, I also said the same thing on 200.

Did he send you any of his pm's back to me?

 :lol
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 12, 2009, 12:05:04 AM
Last time I'll write on this, especially since HT answered my concerns.

It's not IF you get caught. It's WHEN - before somebody who's a much worse offender or afterwards?

And no, not everybody is caught because not all of it is used in a context which offends people (i.e., squad chats for example, among friends who don't care). FWIW, I feel much better with HT's post and explanation - I mostly trust the reporting system when it's filtered through their judgement.

They all get caught eventually.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Jayhawk on November 12, 2009, 12:08:07 AM
Don't F anything

 :eek: What!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  :cry
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: 5PointOh on November 12, 2009, 02:07:53 AM
This isn't a complaint really, I just find it amusing. A while back, I was chasing a Niki in Brew.  I made a comment on 200 "Come back Niki, this Brewster will not catch you". VonMessa suggested on 200 I type /.<Something Not Terriblely Bad>  .  In a purely joking manner I typed "/.<Something Not Terriblely Bad> .  Boom muted for 30min.  Ok I broke the rules and was muted, no big deal. This is where I was amused.  VonMessa who typed the exact same thing only got 20min of mute time. 

I would think that if there shall be mods, shouldn't they be impartial?
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Ghosth on November 12, 2009, 06:54:15 AM
Its all about showing a little bit of respect and consideration to those that you share the arena with.

We all have more than enough frustration and anger in our lives. So keep yours on your side of the monitor please.

None of us get enough respect, courtesy or consideration so please feel free to share all you can. Trust me, in time it will come back to you 10 fold.

Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: BaldEagl on November 12, 2009, 07:11:53 AM
I know I got muted for say F!$% that and some others got muted for saying F that, so I ask how is that offensive? Surely it's not going to offend a young child because it's not even a word, it leaves it to the imagination it would be anything Freak that, Fudge that, etc.

Do you really believe the first thing people will think is Freak that, Fudge that, etc.?

Please.

Even kids know what the F word is.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Twizzty on November 12, 2009, 07:17:51 AM
Twizzty, would you report someone for typing or saying over vox "F that"?

Na Stodd, I don't think I've ever reported anyone at all. I will normally just detune 200 or squelch ya if it's over the top.

I also won't come here and start a thread whine when I get caught circumventing the filter!  

Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: lagger86 on November 12, 2009, 09:02:30 AM
When I see a squad member land kills I tell them GFY, They say thanks....I tell somebody on 200 GFY they get mad....what the heck...all I know is that it's (G)ood (f)or (y)ou to not take typing so seriously.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 12, 2009, 09:11:13 AM
Try Grats
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Hawk55 on November 12, 2009, 10:26:39 AM
But is saying thing such as F that or Fug or Frik bypassing? BTW I'm not appreciating everyone jumping and insulting me in here.

Why do you feel the need to even imply that word?  Quite frankly, most don't want to hear it nor read it.  As HiTech mentioned, it was a culmination of your log files. And yes, it is bypassing.  
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: boomerlu on November 12, 2009, 11:41:40 AM
What I'm gathering from HiTech/general AH policy...

Bypassing is fair game for reporting, but it's up to your peers in the arena/BBS to decide what passes for abuse and what doesn't and actually DO the reporting. And after that, it's up to HTC to decide whether you deserve a mute.

So if you get muted, not only do you have to piss somebody off in the arena, but you have to be abusive enough for HTC to decide your behavior warrants a mute.

Personally, I think that sounds fair. Under this system, if you get muted, you pretty much deserve it.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: AWwrgwy on November 12, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
Rule of thumb:

Would you say it to your Mother?

If you tell your Mother or Father or boss "F that" are they ok with that?


wrongway
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: bj229r on November 12, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
What I'm gathering from HiTech/general AH policy...

Bypassing is fair game for reporting, but it's up to your peers in the arena/BBS to decide what passes for abuse and what doesn't and actually DO the reporting. And after that, it's up to HTC to decide whether you deserve a mute.

So if you get muted, not only do you have to piss somebody off in the arena, but you have to be abusive enough for HTC to decide your behavior warrants a mute.

Personally, I think that sounds fair. Under this system, if you get muted, you pretty much deserve it.
I said something in this vein the other night (wasn't a directed insult or anything, but 'masking' nonetheless)....about 30 seconds later, got the little popup window saying buh-bye text for 10 minutes...obviously a human saw it...concluded I needed to be muted for it...was deserved
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: stodd on November 12, 2009, 02:30:12 PM
Na Stodd, I don't think I've ever reported anyone at all. I will normally just detune 200 or squelch ya if it's over the top.

I also won't come here and start a thread whine when I get caught circumventing the filter!  


Ok just curious. Id probably to that as well. :aok
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: gpa3 on November 12, 2009, 06:03:34 PM
See Rules #4, #6
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Banshee7 on November 12, 2009, 06:06:20 PM
See Rules #4, #6

ALL chat suspensions are for 8 days, to the hour.  









I think someone wasn't loved as a child
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: gpa3 on November 12, 2009, 06:14:03 PM
ALL chat suspensions are for 8 days, to the hour. 

Thanks for the info!

I would highly recommend that be placed in the message from the program. If it's 8 days or 8 months, at least you would know where you stand.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: lyric1 on November 12, 2009, 06:14:48 PM
See Rules #4, #6
Time for the IN.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: crazyivan on November 12, 2009, 06:44:29 PM
I think a warning and a 10min- timeout is fair also, but a warning first. Secondly, talking trash in the dueling arena isn't smart. Do you really have to talk trash flying into furball lake? Did you think it was going to be a fair fight? :rolleyes: It's nice too all these backseat administrators giving the noob a hard time. :D

Kinda wish that report system would be dissolved. And emplement a better squelch system, hense perma squelch!

Guess that's for the wishlist, yet Santa won't bring it this Christmas. :cry
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: CAP1 on November 12, 2009, 07:09:38 PM
So when you said "F!$% that", what four letter F word were you going for?

BTW, you are the one giving them the excuse to mute you, not the system. Don't F anything...see how that works for ya!  :aok

frak
fart
fort
four
fore
frig
 :neener: :neener:
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: CAP1 on November 12, 2009, 07:10:59 PM
I'd say BBS rules somewhat apply to arenas..


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html
6- Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.


Take note of the enlarged type.

could ya make that a little bigger pleaes? i only had to back 1/2 way across my room to read it.

thanks!!

 :neener: :neener:
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: CAP1 on November 12, 2009, 07:12:40 PM
As far as bashing, that's the tone I read into everybody else's posts. It's fine if I'm wrong on that.

On the other hand... him not being right does not make it FAIR. And that's my point. If this happened to me, I wouldn't be angry at being censored but with all the other versions slipping by, especially in AH where these variations are COMMON and almost accepted as substitutes. Maybe I am taking my personal lens to what the OP was asking about, but that's how I see it.

And with the cop, it's a completely different situation. There's ONE cop and therefore he can only catch one person at a time. The profanity filter could easily catch at LEAST the common variations that I've mentioned in addition to the less obvious F!(%*^ variation.

Edit: the proper police analogy in this case would be IGNORING the guy driving at 150 mph while catching the guy driving at 70 mph but trying to slow down to the limit when he sees the cop.

i don't see anyone bashing the dude. i see them giving him honest answers.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: CAP1 on November 12, 2009, 07:14:51 PM
Thanks for the response hi-tech, can you PM me what I said that got me muted so I can avoid it in the future. But is saying thing such as F that or Fug or Frik bypassing? BTW I'm not appreciating everyone jumping and insulting me in here.

actully, the best way to not get muted..........talk as if you were talking to a priest, a nun, or a kid.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 12, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: gpa3 on November 13, 2009, 05:13:10 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Bronk on November 13, 2009, 05:54:32 AM
See Rule #4

The problem is you take the bait. Lemme tell ya shuff's last post was really, really bad bait also.  The hook was was clearly visible.
Grow some thicker skin and develope a little wit to your retorts, instead of depending on vulgarity over vox.... problem solved
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Skuzzy on November 13, 2009, 05:59:53 AM
See Rules #4, #6
See Rule #4

If anyone uses the .report facility to abuse another member of the community, all that person has to do is contact us, and if it is found out the feature was abused, that person's chat is restored and the people who abused the system lose thier privs for 8 days.

Try that in communist China.  Next time, maybe ask a question or two before going off and assuming the worst case scenario and insulting us.  Your choice.  Or you can chose to continue and end up losing your privs to this bulletin board.  It is all about your choices.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: WMLute on November 13, 2009, 06:58:39 AM
If anyone uses the .report facility to abuse another member of the community, all that person has to do is contact us, and if it is found out the feature was abused, that person's chat is restored and the people who abused the system lose thier privs for 8 days.

Try that in communist China.  Next time, maybe ask a question or two before going off and assuming the worst case scenario and insulting us.  Your choice.  Or you can chose to continue and end up losing your privs to this bulletin board.  It is all about your choices.

You are in early today Skuzzy.

I was gonna post about the "contact HTC re: abuse" but ya' beat me to it.

actually, the best way to not get muted..........talk as if you were talking to a priest, a nun, or a kid.

Great rule o' thumb Cap.  I always use "would I say it in front of a kindergarten class".

The BEST way to not run afoul of being moderated is to not put yourself in that position in the first place.

There is a player who will remain unnamed who constantly blames me for getting muted.  He would start an argument with me and invariably starts personal attacks on me choked full of profanity.  To this player it is MY fault because I MAKE him type such things when we argue.

Now, I am not 100% blameless in this.  I do engage this player in a little verbal "tête à tête", so I do shoulder some of the blame for us having an argument.  I should just .squelch them right off the bat because I DO know better and I know how it is going to end. (many times I do just .squelch, but unfort. not always)  I might add that having an argument with this player is akin to picking a fistfight with a senior citizen quadriplegic.

So I own the fact that I am egging this player on to some small degree.  But it is not my fault that they type what they do.  There really is not a good valid excuse to use profanity in AcesHigh, masked or otherwise.  I did not reach through the internet and force this player to type bad words.  Nobody in this game can MAKE another player use profanity.

So next time think before you type/talk.  Would you type/say that in front of a classroom of kindergarten students?

See Rule #4

Insult them back all you want.  Just don't use profanity and keep it light.
(and try to be at least a little creative about it.  style points matter)

(and FYI gpa3 it's HiTech)
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: CAP1 on November 13, 2009, 07:43:14 AM
See Rule #4


uumm.......just an FYI.....to the best of my knowledge, shuff's never done that. he also never does those one liners in malice. they're exactly that.........one liners.

he's havin fun.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: VonMessa on November 13, 2009, 08:43:52 AM
Rule of thumb:

Would you say it to your Mother?

If you tell your Mother or Father or boss "F that" are they ok with that?


wrongway

Yes

Yes

Any more questions?
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: VonMessa on November 13, 2009, 08:46:49 AM
actully, the best way to not get muted..........talk as if you were talking to a priest, a nun, or a kid.

As in asking them to not hold yours ears so tightly?   

(one liner) 
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 13, 2009, 12:00:31 PM
See Rule #4

Ha.. your way off the mark there.

I couldn't care less what you do as long as you keep it civil and are not trying to ruin the game for others.

There are some groups out there that will mass report though for no reason what-so-ever. They can get in trouble for doing that too.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: gpa3 on November 13, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
If anyone uses the .report facility to abuse another member of the community, all that person has to do is contact us, and if it is found out the feature was abused, that person's chat is restored and the people who abused the system lose thier privs for 8 days.
That would be kinda hard to prove. Not like they leave DNA evidence or crime scene video of them talking to each other on team chat.

There are two teams that hang out in DA. They have laid claim to two countrys. They pitch out insult after insult from their two teams to anyone who does not fly by 'their rules'. It is constant and non-stop abuse. But I'm sure they will lay low for a while since people they don't like are getting silenced. They got what they wanted after all. Why not just give people a way of turning off the chat box (or perma-block as someone else requested) so we don't have to read their non-stop insults while we are trying to play a game.

Some other ways you could stop the constant chat abuse in the DA is to make the program not allow any head on shots, no shooting allowed unless you are over the lake, no shooting unless you are in same exact plane as your opponent, no shooting if more than two planes are within 1k of each other, no shooting unless you are same altitude as your opponent, no shooting unless you ask permission from the opponent and all his team members first. As long as the program allows these type kills, I will assume they are legal kills and I will report 100% of the abusers from now on.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Shuffler on November 13, 2009, 12:28:53 PM
That would be kinda hard to prove. Not like they leave DNA evidence or crime scene video of them talking to each other on team chat.

There are two teams that hang out in DA. They have laid claim to two countrys. They pitch out insult after insult from their two teams to anyone who does not fly by 'their rules'. It is constant and non-stop abuse. But I'm sure they will lay low for a while since people they don't like are getting silenced. They got what they wanted after all. Why not just give people a way of turning off the chat box (or perma-block as someone else requested) so we don't have to read their non-stop insults while we are trying to play a game.

Some other ways you could stop the constant chat abuse in the DA is to make the program not allow any head on shots, no shooting allowed unless you are over the lake, no shooting unless you are in same exact plane as your opponent, no shooting if more than two planes are within 1k of each other, no shooting unless you are same altitude as your opponent, no shooting unless you ask permission from the opponent and all his team members first.

Oh but they do leave evidence. It is just not available to me and you.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: 68ZooM on November 13, 2009, 12:30:49 PM
i think its ime for a Face Palm. This aint going no where fast  :neener:
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: twitchy on November 13, 2009, 12:37:08 PM
I'd like to see a permanent squelch function though sure enough. There's a few guys in the game that just don't have anything to say that I want to hear or see, nor are they likely to in the near future and having to squelch them on each relog is needlessly tedious.
-Twitchy
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Stang on November 13, 2009, 12:49:06 PM
The squeak is strong in this thread.

Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: stodd on November 13, 2009, 01:44:15 PM
The squeak is strong in this thread.


:lol :aok I leave this thread now KEKEKEE

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww279/stodd602/owned.jpg)
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: TnDep on November 13, 2009, 02:36:41 PM
That would be kinda hard to prove. Not like they leave DNA evidence or crime scene video of them talking to each other on team chat.

There are two teams that hang out in DA. They have laid claim to two countrys. They pitch out insult after insult from their two teams to anyone who does not fly by 'their rules'. It is constant and non-stop abuse. But I'm sure they will lay low for a while since people they don't like are getting silenced. They got what they wanted after all. Why not just give people a way of turning off the chat box (or perma-block as someone else requested) so we don't have to read their non-stop insults while we are trying to play a game.

Some other ways you could stop the constant chat abuse in the DA is to make the program not allow any head on shots, no shooting allowed unless you are over the lake, no shooting unless you are in same exact plane as your opponent, no shooting if more than two planes are within 1k of each other, no shooting unless you are same altitude as your opponent, no shooting unless you ask permission from the opponent and all his team members first. As long as the program allows these type kills, I will assume they are legal kills and I will report 100% of the abusers from now on.

First off HTC can review the chat logs of the DA.  Secondly the team chat option I'm sure Skuzzy can also see that text as well, if not your recored video footage would be sufficient. 

As far the the two teams from two different claimed country's- the bases cann't be captured  :lol had to throw that one in there.  I've been in the DA now for 9 months and I don't recall seeing your name in there and after 15,000 sorties I would seem to think I would.  But's lets say you do go in there WHY?  All these complaints why do you go in there, makes no sense.  If your not having fun or enjoying the game why are you not in the MA. 

The DA has changed alot over the past 2 months.  It use to be a fun furball but it's not anymore.  Maybe be a good thing I don't know but I've switched to flying in the MA and have joined up with the Pigs.  I got alot of friends in the DA so I will fly there on occasion for catching up purposes. 

I'm sure with your computer skills you can design that program your talking about and I'm sure Skuzzy will take a look at it for implementing it.  No, but on a more serious note the lake is going to be the lake until they take it away.  Taking away the lake might not be a bad thing and making the side fields inviteable only. The side fields are the dueling fields.  I got into a few 1on1's over the past week in the lake but it was either early morning or out on the shoreline of the lake.  Your not going to get a 1on1 in the lake at peek times without someone jumping in ___line.

A redesign of the DA that Ranger was talking about would be nice.  Do I look for it in the future no, but it would be nice.   :salute
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Motherland on November 13, 2009, 02:51:31 PM
The DA has changed alot over the past 2 months.  It use to be a fun furball but it's not anymore.  Maybe be a good thing I don't know but I've switched to flying in the MA and have joined up with the Pigs.  I got alot of friends in the DA so I will fly there on occasion for catching up purposes. 
You probably just grew out of it. The DA has been a cesspool at least since they killed H2H a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: justIN on November 13, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
Taking the DA away is not the answer many people like the fast fights.Many would leave the whole game,all the DA needs is a make over add perks and the F3 mode.
By perking many would stop the hoin that started the big down fall of the DA thats all 60% can do by perkin they will think twice maybe.
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 13, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
See Rules #4, #6.

If you have been a victim of a mass .report grief, all you need to do is email Skuzzy and he'll remove the suspension and punish those that griefed you.

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See Rules #4, #6

The best solution would not say things that would get you chat suspended. Simple solution.  I know, you'll reply back that you've been griefed but from your post, your attitude clearly shows that you're probably deserving of any suspension.  You probably have the false belief that you can say what you want under 'freedom of speech'.

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See Rule #4

You don't play this game very much do you?  Cross country chat is available in the MA, just as it is in the DA and that's not even a problem nor your idea is a viable solution.  Unlike voice converstation, there really is no excuse for vulgarity outburst in text chat.

Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 13, 2009, 03:03:02 PM
That would be kinda hard to prove. Not like they leave DNA evidence or crime scene video of them talking to each other on team chat.

Please stop showing your ignorance.  HTC has logs they can check to see to verify whether or not the suspension was warranted or not.  Honestly, how did you survive as long as you did?

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There are two teams that hang out in DA. They have laid claim to two countrys. They pitch out insult after insult from their two teams to anyone who does not fly by 'their rules'. It is constant and non-stop abuse. But I'm sure they will lay low for a while since people they don't like are getting silenced. They got what they wanted after all. Why not just give people a way of turning off the chat box (or perma-block as someone else requested) so we don't have to read their non-stop insults while we are trying to play a game.

If you don't like what is being said, use the .squelch command.  It is there for a reason, it's your choice to use it or not.

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Some other ways you could stop the constant chat abuse in the DA is to make the program not allow any head on shots, no shooting allowed unless you are over the lake, no shooting unless you are in same exact plane as your opponent, no shooting if more than two planes are within 1k of each other, no shooting unless you are same altitude as your opponent, no shooting unless you ask permission from the opponent and all his team members first. As long as the program allows these type kills, I will assume they are legal kills and I will report 100% of the abusers from now on.

Wow...just wow.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Dueling arena chat regulations?
Post by: TnDep on November 13, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
You probably just grew out of it. The DA has been a cesspool at least since they killed H2H a couple of years ago.

Maybe, theres some good duelers in the Da but for the most part your fights are w/ newbs.  I'm ready for the next competition, remember the show early days  :lol