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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: fbEagle on November 11, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
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I think the CV's should be more realistic. Like the real ones. Like a torpedo riping a 15foot hole in the side of the hull and stopping the carrier dead in the water. It would make it much more interestinig.
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Same probelm as my idea of a 4000lb bomb falling from 14k punching a hole through the flight deck.
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That would have the same effect as dropping the hangar hardness at the airfields to next to nothing. Which also wouldn't make for a very fun arena. :)
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I think the CV's should be more realistic. Like the real ones. Like a torpedo riping a 15foot hole in the side of the hull and stopping the carrier dead in the water. It would make it much more interestinig.
First off all you have got to do is get close enough with something to do it with.
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I would be happy if the elevator was up.
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You and everyone else that has been killed by it.
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You know how many carriers died in WWII to a single torpedo?
None of the big ones that I can recall.
Injured, yes, slowed, perhaps, jammed the rudder, yes. Sunk, no.
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IIRC the small jeep carriers were the only ones that were worried about 1 torpedo.
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Yeah we certainly need better damage model for cvs.
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IIRC the small jeep carriers were the only ones that were worried about 1 torpedo.
The Fuso was sunk by one or two torpedoes.
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The more graphics detail means the more little bytes that have to fit thru the garden hose in microseconds. The more little bytes of data for your puter and memory card to digest, interpret, and put on your screen.
There is a limit to how many bytes you want to send, how much detail you want, and for how many people with what kind of computers. Judging from the painful upgrade we just had, across the board, and with the accompanying snivelry, the staff no doubt has to always make judgments as to what kind of detail, and for when, is important enough to write code for. Because theres theres only so much that will fit thru the garden hose.
I for onr could care less about gaping holes in a CV and realistic damage. I care a lot more about the flight related, flight combat related, issues.
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I myself would like to see progressive damage to the CV other than guns or radar, perhaps reduced speed, engine failure, rudder damage, or slight leans to the L or R sides.
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"You know how many carriers died in WWII to a single torpedo?"
H.M.S. Ark Royal was hit by only one U-boat torpedo and sank several hours later, mainly due to poor design and damage control; when her main engines shut down, no auxiliary power was available to pump or counter-flood.
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You know how many carriers died in WWII to a single torpedo?
Along the same vein:
You know how many carriers were operated 7,000 yards off the beach in WWII?
:rofl
wrongway
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Along the same vein:
You know how many carriers were operated 7,000 yards off the beach in WWII?
:rofl
wrongway
Some of them get a lot closer than that.
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Thank you for your comments! :cheers:
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Simba
Not arguing, just checking. Nothing else hit the Ark Royal ordinance wise? Just 1 single torp?
There were a lot of destroyers cruising beaches, carriers normally stayed way off the beach.
FYI even in a dedicated Sub sim like Silent Hunter 4 you just don't sink ships with a single torp.
Even relatively small 5000 ton freighters and tankers.
Carriers are much much bigger, have large crews trained in fire suppression, etc.
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Pulled from Wiki so I don't know how accurate it is.
Final voyage and sinking
On 10 November 1941, Ark Royal ferried more aircraft to Malta before returning to Gibraltar. Admiral Somerville had been warned of U-boats off the Spanish coast, and reminded Force H to be vigilant.[82] Also at sea was Friedrich Guggenberger's U-81, which had received a report that Force H was returning to Gibraltar.[81] On 13 November, at 15:40 hours, the sonar operator aboard the destroyer HMS Legion detected an unidentified sound, but assumed it was the propellers of a nearby destroyer. One minute later, Ark Royal was struck amidships by a torpedo,[83] between the fuel bunkers and bomb store, and directly below the bridge island.[84] The explosion caused Ark Royal to shake, hurled loaded torpedo-bombers into the air, and killed Able Seaman Mitchell.[84] A 130 feet (40 m) long by 30 feet (9.1 m) deep hole was created on the starboard side, which caused flooding of the starboard boiler room, main switchboard, oil tanks, and over 106 feet (32 m) of the ship's starboard bilge. The starboard power train was knocked out, causing the rear half of the ship to lose power, while communications were severed shipwide.
HMS Legion moving alongside the damaged and listing HMS Ark Royal to take off survivors
Immediately after the torpedo strike, Captain Maund attempted to order the engines to full stop, but had to send a runner to the engine room when it was discovered communications were down.[85] The hole in the hull was enlarged by the ship's motion, and by the time Ark Royal stopped she had taken on water and begun to list to starboard, reaching 18° from centre within 20 minutes.[85] Considering the lean of the carrier, as well as the fates of other carriers, including HMS Courageous and HMS Glorious, which had sunk rapidly with heavy loss of life, Maund gave the order to abandon ship. The crew were assembled on the flight deck to determine who would remain onboard to save the ship while HMS Legion came alongside to take off the rest; as a result, comprehensive damage control measures were not initiated until 49 minutes after the attack. The flooding spread unchecked, exacerbated by covers and hatches left open during evacuation of lower decks.[86]
Water spread to the centreline boiler room, which started to flood from below, and power was lost shipwide when the boiler uptakes became choked; Ark Royal had no backup diesel generators.[87] About half an hour after the explosion, the carrier appeared to stabilise. Admiral Somerville, determined to save Ark Royal, ordered damage control parties back to the carrier before taking the battleship HMS Malaya to Gibraltar to organise salvage efforts. The damage control parties were able to re-light a boiler, restoring power to the bilge pumps. The destroyer HMS Laforey came alongside to provide power and additional pumps, while Swordfish aircraft from Gibraltar arrived to supplement anti-submarine patrols.[88] The tug Thames arrived from Gibraltar at 20:00 hours and attached a tow line to Ark Royal, but flooding caused the angle of list to increase rapidly. Water had reached the boiler room flat, an uninterrupted compartment running the width of the ship, which forced the shutdown of the restored boiler.
Another photograph showing the degree of the list
The list reached 20° between 02:05 and 02:30 hours, and when 'abandon ship' was declared again at 04:00 hours, had reached 27°.[89] Ark Royal's complement had been evacuated to Legion by 04:30 hours; with the exception of Mitchell, there were no fatalities. The 1,487 officers and crew were transported to Gibraltar.[90] The list reached 45° before Ark Royal capsized and sank at 06:19 hours on 14 November.[91] Witnesses reported the carrier rolling to 90°, where she remained for three minutes before inverting. Ark Royal broke in two, the aft sinking within a couple of minutes, followed by the bow.[92]
[edit] Investigation
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"Simba
Not arguing, just checking. Nothing else hit the Ark Royal ordinance wise? Just 1 single torp?"
Allaire's reply tells it exactly as it happened, Ghost.
The Swordfish that were 'hurled into the air' (and all of which eventually went over the side when the ship capsized) were those of No.825 Naval Air Squadron, commanded by Lt.Cdr. Eugene 'Winkle' Esmonde DSO. He lived to fight and die on 12th February 1942, when he led the six Swordfish of reformed, under-strength 825 NAS from RAF Manston in a 'forlorn hope' attack on the Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Prinz Eugen as they made their 'Channel Dash'. Not one torpedo hit and all six aircraft were shot down making "the mothball attack of a handful of ancient planes, piloted by men whose bravery surpasses any other action by either side that day" (the quote is translated from the note for that day in the Kriegsmarine War Diary). Esmonde was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross, the four surviving officers each the DSO and the only surviving PO TAG the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal; the other twelve who died were Mentioned In Dispatches, the only honour other than the VC that could be awarded posthumously at that time.
Honour the brave. Now you know why I want to fly a Swordfish in AH, even if it doesn't stand a chance against the puffy ack and fighter CAP.
:salute
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No argument from me on that score simba, I'd love to be able to fly all those historic early war birds.
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Battle Stations: Pacific!!! :D
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Battle Stations: Pacific!!! :D
Red, you gota be kidding me. Really :lol :lol :lol?