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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TnDep on November 15, 2009, 09:01:29 AM
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Just curious to see what everybody's views are when attacking bombers. What position do you to shoot from ect. ?
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Cockpit.
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I prefer 2 or 10 o'clock high. High speed slashing attack. Aim point cockpit / wingroot. Setting up the next attack run begins immediately when passing the buffs.
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Ask 999000...... :noid
:salute 11
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I prefer 2 or 10 o'clock high. High speed slashing attack. Aim point cockpit / wingroot. Setting up the next attack run begins immediately when passing the buffs.
sweet position!, 2nd run do you use the sun on your climb and do you try to use the 2 to 10 oclock position again if you have the E?
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I prefer 2 or 10 o'clock high. High speed slashing attack. Aim point cockpit / wingroot. Setting up the next attack run begins immediately when passing the buffs.
I concur.
I think 999000 would agree
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I prefer 2 or 10 o'clock high. High speed slashing attack. Aim point cockpit / wingroot. Setting up the next attack run begins immediately when passing the buffs.
:aok
Standard procedure for all interceptors.
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I prefer 2 or 10 o'clock high. High speed slashing attack. Aim point cockpit / wingroot. Setting up the next attack run begins immediately when passing the buffs.
Quoted for truth.
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for me it really depends on the bombers im attacking. If they are lancs or Ju-88s just about any angle is fine as just as long as you make sure you have alt so you can use that for speed. the bb's that those 2 planes fire are more of an annoyance than a threat if you happen to get hit by them. B-24's and B-17's you def need speed and a lot of it and i usually hit them from high 2-4 o'clock or 8-10 o'clock
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sweet position!, 2nd run do you use the sun on your climb and do you try to use the 2 to 10 oclock position again if you have the E?
When you come in high high to low. Immediately at or after your burst start making your U turn (Really more like a wide V) extending out then starting you climb for the next pass. Dont pull too hard on the stick as this will only cause you to bleed E making it more difficult to get out above and ahead of your target and will decrease your ability to be able to do it again and again if you need to. not to mention it will make your passes slower, thus making you an easy target.
Basically what your doing is the same thing as when you rope. Only instead of coming in and going up vertical. Your doing it more like a 45 degree angle
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When you come in high high to low. Immediately at or after your burst start making your U turn (Really more like a wide V) extending out then starting you climb for the next pass. Dont pull too hard on the stick as this will only cause you to bleed E
Exactly.
After the pass you are not only trying to get away from the buffs. You are already starting to setup the next attack. If you just extend and then start thinking about the next attack, you will just find yourself in an unfavorable position. Also, starting your turn right after the pass will make you a much more difficult target for the buff gunner.
sweet position!, 2nd run do you use the sun on your climb and do you try to use the 2 to 10 oclock position again if you have the E?
Yes, If possible I do use the sun to my advantage, and I do use the same attack again & again. Patience is the key to killing buffs. Of you have lost position and/or E, regain it first.
Of course, there are sometimes situations where I have to abandon this careful approach, for example when the bombers are about to drop their load on a CV.
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Lusche knows patience. :aok
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Trust me. Have met Lusche's cannons more than once. His tactics work.
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2 & 10 a bit higher than the buffs. Roll in shoot for engine or wingroot depending on ehst type buff. When you approach at this angle your in a constant curve making it harder for gunners to hit you. When you finishp passp you should bpe facing in the general direction the buffs are heading and continue to curl up into the starting position on opposite side to immediately attack apgain. On some passes I'll continue my roll to attack from the same side again. Don't get predictable.
If the gunner seem to be pretty accurate take more time on the setup. If they are not seemingly very accurate press the attack and stay agressive keeping your plane rolling around the buffs causing the gunner to have to swich positions to reaquire you often. Do not negate taking a single pass or two from below to make them have to watch that position too.
Patience is the key.
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Patience is the key.
And it is becoming more uncommon, it seems.
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low six oclock with little or no overtake speed
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low six oclock with little or no overtake speed
That might be true for bombers with no ball turret.
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Thanks Guys Great Advise! :salute
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Historically it seems head on or 10-2 from above worked the best. People espouse it in here too. I get pretty much right on top of them, and shoot them in the canopy(HEAD SHOT)
The attack ends up being a near vert/slightly 6 attack. People may tell you this is no good. I can post the stats that shows it works just fine for me and I fly a 51: neither particularly lethal nor sturdy a plane.
Here's a couple of screenies from a person who thought my technique was bad:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/twentyfo.jpg)
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looks like he was wrong :headscratch: I think I saw his other two planes go down :lol
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That might be true for bombers with no ball turret.
And it works only if the total lag is very small. The bigger the lag is, the smaller the blind spot not covered by the tail gun is getting:
(http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9403/bellylagp.jpg)
While on my screen I am out of the tail gunner's arc of fire, I'm not on the Lancaster's screen - so he can still shoot at me.
That's why low 6 attacks are usually a no-go for me.
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Historically it seems head on or 10-2 from above worked the best. People espouse it in here too. I get pretty much right on top of them, and shoot them in the canopy(HEAD SHOT)
The attack ends up being a near vert/slightly 6 attack. People may tell you this is no good. I can post the stats that shows it works just fine for me and I fly a 51: neither particularly lethal nor sturdy a plane.
Here's a couple of screenies from a person who thought my technique was bad:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/twentyfo.jpg)
That is freaking hilarious.... :lol
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Belly shot works ok if you have enough speed and they have no ball turret. If they have a belly gunner it's head on or slashing frontal attacks for me.
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If you can hit B24's in cockpit area, from even above and behind, they flame/explode every time, with an economy of bullets
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I always prefer to be on top :banana:
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always above them, by at least 3,000ft.
depending on what it is, i'll pull up to their 2 or 10, roll into a shallow dive pointing my nose ahead of them. fire when they appear about to cross my path, continue underneath them, turning slightly to parallel them again during my climb. repeat and rinse.
sometimes, i'll come from their 4 or 8 high, but the same slashing attacks. i find this one gives me a little more time to aim, while not seriously increasing their ease of hitting me.
one of my very favorites though? if i've only spotted em when they're near their drop point, i'll wait'll i see them in the approximate drop position. here, they're more than likely in the bombsite, calibrating. they cannot return fire from this position. i'll make a quick slashing attack, and if no return fire as i pass, i'll saddle up, and pop one from dead six. :D
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That might be true for bombers with no ball turret.
actually, lancs can point their tail guns very low. to be out of their fire, you'd have to be under the lanc...thus having no gun solution yourself.
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Being I usually fly the pony (thinking of flying spit8 when i return though) I usually go high 2,10, 12 oclock (12 isn't really ideal though) since the 50s are really the best of buff busters. But like several said, the noodlespit and wingroots are the best. Now and then I will just be silly and aim for all the engines.
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Being I usually fly the pony (thinking of flying spit8 when i return though) I usually go high 2,10, 12 oclock (12 isn't really ideal though) since the 50s are really the best of buff busters. But like several said, the axlespit and wingroots are the best. Now and then I will just be silly and aim for all the engines.
i just aim for the big things in front of me with wings
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Some great tips here I generally suck at shooting down bombers :cry one technique i have had a lot of success with in a k4 is diving under and in front of the bombers and then pulling hard up for a full profile wing shot and popping a few 30mm in the wing, timing it so I'm nearly colliding with the bombers wing. The wing on the bomber will nearly always come off, I'll have to give some of the other suggestions on this a go :rock
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Steve --
I always tried to use that attack too, and had some really nice fights with thundregg using it! Great thing about that approach is that if its done right (particularly if you invert first so you're pulling "up" on the stick to dive down) - even excellent gunners will find it very hard to track. In essence, you're vertically over the top gun position, so most times the gun won't elevate high enough to hit you. Even if you're not quite that vertical, small adjustments in YOUR position require large turret azimuth rotations on his part...
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If you're flying a 262 or something with serious firepower, the side on angle from slightly below works a treat. Aim ahead of the lead bomber and keep holding the trigger down as the formation flies through your gunsite one by one.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/3buff.JPG)
but be prepared to take one 50cal to the head and explode, when flying a 262...
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low six oclock with little or no overtake speed
Am i the only one who thinks your were being sarcastic here? Sounds like suicide to me :D
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I prefer dead 6'o at 200. And don't forget to honk the horn! :bolt:
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24s high slashing attacks aim for wingroot
17s and lancs high slash aim for wingtip
67s low slashing..20mm on top
of course if the gunner looks at you a tempest loses its radiator
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Am i the only one who thinks your were being sarcastic here? Sounds like suicide to me :D
I was being sarcastic lol
and some took it seriously :rofl
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I was being sarcastic lol
and some took it seriously :rofl
Ya that was funny
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for the first time in AH for me, I took three bombers out in one pass a couple days ago :t
in my Hurri :rofl
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I was being sarcastic lol
and some took it seriously :rofl
I said nothing.... i just took it that you were a bomber pilot. :aok
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Aim for this..aim for that. That's a mystery to me. Why don't people just aim for the cockpit? They are big on the buffs and a pilot kill means *boom*
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Aim for this..aim for that. That's a mystery to me. Why don't people just aim for the cockpit? They are big on the buffs and a pilot kill means *boom*
true that, every time i attack any plane bomber or fighter, in my head i say "aim for the pilot, aim for the pilot..."
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Aim for this..aim for that. That's a mystery to me. Why don't people just aim for the cockpit? They are big on the buffs and a pilot kill means *boom*
You guys who can actually hit what you're "aiming" at always made me jealous...
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Am i the only one who thinks your were being sarcastic here? Sounds like suicide to me :D
i knew he was.....but i was just pointing out a little known(i think) fact. :aok
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Aim for this..aim for that. That's a mystery to me. Why don't people just aim for the cockpit? They are big on the buffs and a pilot kill means *boom*
well......some of us aren't good enough at our gunnery yet, to aim for a particular place on the aircraft.
i was being serious when i said i just aim for the big thing with the wings in front of me. :bolt:
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First pass, I prefer 2 or 10 just above co-alt passes, rolling in from a dive set up about 1.5 or 2K away. The dive gives more speed, lessening gunner reaction, and being just about co-alt allows me to go nose low or nose high, depending on where I think the gunner is sitting.
I dive from about 2K advantage, parallel to buff flight path, roll in at about a 60 to 70 degree angle to pull lead, and aim for wingroot or cockpit on all types except the Lanc.
Lancs, depending on what I'm in, I do this always nose low, pull up and slash through the 2 to 3 oclock from underneath. Why the brits thought a buff without a ball turret was a good idea, i don't know.
Second pass, depending on plane, I set up from the opposite side and make it look like I'm doing the same thing, but end up pulling further out ahead, and come in from low 12 oclock, through formation. A low 12 pass seems to be difficult for most gunners to accurately target, after seeing the first pass....I don't know why this is, but I hardly EVER get hit in this pass. (999000 is a glaring exception to that, but he's money in all positions in Buffs.
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well......some of us aren't good enough at our gunnery yet, to aim for a particular place on the aircraft.
i was being serious when i said i just aim for the big thing with the wings in front of me. :bolt:
You can do it... aim small miss small.
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I prefer to have a lot of alt on the bombers and to attack from high twelve passing over the upper turret of drone #2s center just as I pull lead and begin shooting. Most of the time I am on the verge of black out in the firing stage but the point is to defeat the upper turret as much as possible by crossing the point at which the turret must rotate while also having enough energy to get out of gun range before the gunner can move to the ball and get guns on there. The P-51 is deal for this because even at 25k altitude it can hit and then dive 4500 feet below the bomber and still be above and in front of the bombers very quickly. Most bomber pilots start to get really nervous when this is done well and a nervous target is easier to kill.
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NO NO YOU GUYS HAVE IT ALL WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best attack of bombers has always been, will always be, a low slow dead six attack!...don't start shooting till your within 200! and never ever organize two or more fighters attacking out of fear of colliding with friendly fighters....Also never use those dam rockets!..they are not good for the enviorment.!
999000 <S>
PLEASE PLEASE disregard all previous posts on this subject!!
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:rofl 999000!
:noid
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I just killed a guy online (x3) with the approach I mentioned... bomber #2 died with just two bullets.
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well......some of us aren't good enough at our gunnery yet, to aim for a particular place on the aircraft.
i was being serious when i said i just aim for the big thing with the wings in front of me. :bolt:
:rofl just cuz I aim for pilot don't mean I hit them :rofl
but I have found that by aiming for the pilot you are more apt to at least hit the damn plane :rofl
and if by chance you do hit, they explode, which is good no one else can follow them down pumping rounds into a wingless bird and steeling your kill.
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Just curious to see what everybody's views are when attacking bombers. What position do you to shoot from ect. ?
Death from above. Watch this old promo film
http://www.filefront.com/14934197/promo1w3drdwn.wmv
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If you're flying a 262 or something with serious firepower, the side on angle from slightly below works a treat. Aim ahead of the lead bomber and keep holding the trigger down as the formation flies through your gunsite one by one.
got 3 lancs in one pass in a tempy last night doing this :aok
otherwise high 2/10, or HO from below (great for B17s soft belly if u miss the cockpit)
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:rofl :rofl
I usually take 999000's attack method
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Corrs I love you man! <S>
999000
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Corrs I love you man! <S>
999000
i think you lied to us.
i tried the 6 low approach on a set of ju88's last night.
it netted me a free trip to the tower. :headscratch: :headscratch: :bolt: :bolt:
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i think you lied to us.
i tried the 6 low approach on a set of ju88's last night.
it netted me a free trip to the tower. :headscratch: :headscratch: :bolt: :bolt:
You can't complain. You got a new plane that did not have all those nasty bullet holes in it like the old one.
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I like getting on their six, going about the same speed as they are, then only firing when I'm 1.2k out. :t
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You can't complain. You got a new plane that did not have all those nasty bullet holes in it like the old one.
ya, but it was heavier. it handled like poop, due to the extra weight. i think they used lead to patch the previous owners bullet holes. :headscratch: :noid :rofl
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I like getting on their six, going about the same speed as they are, then only firing when I'm 1.2k out. :t
+1
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I like getting on their six, going about the same speed as they are, then only firing when I'm 1.2k out. :t
+1 forgot about this one, easily the most fun way to kill buffs ;)
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I read a book written from Walther Dahl (http://www.luftwaffe.cz/dahl.html (http://www.luftwaffe.cz/dahl.html)), where he described how he and his flight attacked allied bombers. He flew the FW190.
He used two kind of approaches.
1. Head on (slightly above bomber flight path)
2. from behind (6 o´clock) -> here usually slightly below bomber flight path)
Attacking from the side was forbidden, because of the little chances to hit.
When attacking from the front, he opened fire at 500m. The pass was low over the bombers. He says that this method was very difficult and only pilots with good nerves could manage this. But it was more effective as from behind. First because of the moral impact on the bomber pilots. Secondly because the energy of the bullets was higher because you had add to there bullet speed the air speed of the bomber.
I personally prefer the 2/10 option as Lusche described it.
SF
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You do know that the calibrated airspeed that B-17s and B-24s preferred was 210? Add that to the 354 TAS of the Bf 109 (for instance) and you get 564 which will not add a lot of additional energy (projectiles are not often measured in mph). While it is likely a fighter pilot would think that he was causing a drop in morale I know for a fact most bomber gunners didnt worry about fighters unless they fell behind the group and got singled out. FlaK on the other hand was always a problem and AAA would have even the most courageous hiding in the nearest corner with his flak jacket wrapped tightly around him. Nearly every sortie every plane would catch fire in one way or another. The ball turret gunners number one fear was not getting hit by fighters but being left in the ball when everyone abandoned ship! Oxygen lines getting hit by flak was a bigger problem than fighters and accounted for more deaths too. And then if they had to bail over the target they had to worry about civilians taking matters into their own hands or gestapo executions or other soldiers just shooting them. The Russians were just as hard on them because they didnt know how to tell an American apart from a German and if the American was a POW the Russians would assume they were collaborators. Thats if they could even get out of the plane or had the courage to bail out or were not killed in their chutes.
No fighters were way down the list of things to worry about.
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Good post there, I would have also thought that a big fear held by most was having to face sobering up within a few hours and doing their job after blitzing their sadness away in the mess hall each night. Thankfully we don't have to fly sober at any hour in aceshigh :cheers:
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I concur.
I think 999000 would agree
Except he can kill you from no matter which angle you choose. I've set up attacks on him that would be 100% safe on other bomber pilots, only to end up in the tower to kill one drone.
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Good post there, I would have also thought that a big fear held by most was having to face sobering up within a few hours and doing their job after blitzing their sadness away in the mess hall each night. Thankfully we don't have to fly sober at any hour in aceshigh :cheers:
i think if i were in the position of any single member of those bomber crews......my single biggest fear would be the knowledge that we would be in enemy territory for close to 1/2 of our time in the air, with only 1 or 2 minutes of firing time per gun.
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By most accounts the guns on the bombers would be fired at most for mere seconds. In fact most bombers that had fuel problems or situation that might require ditching or landing out would toss their guns and ammunition (and anything else they could) overboard. There are probably thousands of 50 cals in the Adriatic.
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By most accounts the guns on the bombers would be fired at most for mere seconds. In fact most bombers that had fuel problems or situation that might require ditching or landing out would toss their guns and ammunition (and anything else they could) overboard. There are probably thousands of 50 cals in the Adriatic.
i had read a book by john comer......called combat crew. pretty dam good book.
it still strikes me when i read things like "we had an older pilot..he looked to be about 23 years old".
there were things in there, telling of gunners sneaking extra ammo on board for the longer missions....lot of things about "hung" bombs, and of new pilots that would "jockey" to hold formation, thus giving that fact away to the german pilots.
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there were things in there, telling of gunners sneaking extra ammo on board for the longer missions....lot of things about "hung" bombs, and of new pilots that would "jockey" to hold formation, thus giving that fact away to the german pilots.
I have to think that the attacking pilots were not that deep into analyzing their targets but I can understand why a bomber pilot or his crew would think they were.
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I have to think that the attacking pilots were not that deep into analyzing their targets but I can understand why a bomber pilot or his crew would think they were.
if i recall from reading it, the new pilots would "jockey" and could be at times as much as 40-50 feet out of position. it had to do with the turbulence.
the "older" more experienced pilots knew what to do to hold a rock steady position.
you're more than likely right......but it would be a definite tell tale, seeing #2 in a box jockeying around.....in and out, side to side, up n down......it would become pretty obvious i would think..........
stilll,.....reading what these guys did..........well........just .......dam......gotta respect the hell outta them for riding in those big aluminum death traps. :salute
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The maintenance report on 'Sweet Ada' that stated they removed 116 lbs of shrapnel about says it all. You have to wonder how the crew even lived through that!
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Is it just me or did shuffler just repeat the same thing as above :t
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this is how I do it, I sure love 262s
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/jdbecks/ah2/b17down.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/jdbecks/ah2/b17down2.jpg)
Ive died a fair few times to gunners, having the patientence to set up the attack and get into postion is the most inportant factor imho.
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By most accounts the guns on the bombers would be fired at most for mere seconds.
yup, closure rates were so much higher than in AH that a couple of seconds was all you generally had to aquire, get guns on and lead an inb fighter.
The maintenance report on 'Sweet Ada' ... stated they removed 116 lbs of shrapnel ...
jeez :uhoh
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The maintenance report on 'Sweet Ada' that stated they removed 116 lbs of shrapnel about says it all. You have to wonder how the crew even lived through that!
one of the local parts suppliers i deal with, i tend to bs with the counter guys a lot. as it turns out, jim's dad was a bombardier on a b17 near the end of the war. i thinnk he flew 7 or 8 missions.
he came to my CAP squadron, to talk to the kids.....all of us.. :D, but mainly the young kids. he told them of his training, how they got to their base, etc.
then he started telling them of a mission over italy(i think it was italy), where the flak was particularly heavy on the way in and out.
he was amazed that there weren't too many fighters, even when they weren't in the flak. as he was telling them of the malfunctioning chin turret, he reached into his pocket, and pulls out a small bundle...looks like a reg. he unwraps it carefully, and holds up a piece of shrapnel.
it couldn't have been more than 2" long, and not a full inch wide at any one point. there was nowhere to hold it without touching a very sharp edge. judging by it's size, one would only expect it to have weighed an ounce or 2.
friggin thing weighed much more than it looked like. then as it was being passed around, he explained that the malfunctioning chin turret was caused by this shrapnel. said turret also saved his life, according to the crew chief of the plane.
the guy came there in his dress uniform from the 40's.
one of the coolest guys any of us ever met.
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yup, closure rates were so much higher than in AH that a couple of seconds was all you generally had to aquire, get guns on and lead an inb fighter.
I think AH is right on for closure rates but without the icon and range indicator (and scale of the screen) your perception would be much different.
Every bomber that experienced FlaK landed with the floor of the plane covered in shrapnel ('like walking on steel gravel') and the skin of the plane pierced with tiny puncture wounds.
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(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4052/frat.th.gif) (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/frat.gif/)
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(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4052/frat.gif)
The actual image manurin was posting.
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Great thanks :aok
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No problem :)
I like the one that says "too late" :lol
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Read somewhere that while USAAF bomber crews feared flak more than fighters, more bombers fell to fighters than to flak. Must have been hell to be in the flak with no way to fight back against it, whereas at least the gunners could poop back at the fighters when attacked. Battle psychology and all that . . .
Brave boys, those bomber crews.
:salute
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It maybe true that more bombers fell to fighters than to FlaK but more crewmen died to FlaK than to fighters. You didnt have to hit a crew member to kill them because the bombers had vulnerable oxygen lines that if hit could silently kill crew and they would never know it was happening. Anoxia hits quickly and if the bombardier (its his duty to check everyone) is just a little off schedule checking everyone it could easily be too late and if you were a tail gunner and didnt answer up it might be too late before someone could even get to you. Im just glad I experience the effect through a computer instead of living through it if you know what I mean.
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Shuffler, in a head on attack I start shooting at 10000, on a low tail attack I start shooting at 600, on a high tail 800.
999000 <S>
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When I take a bomber up..... I mean other than the B-38.... it's pot luck. :D
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Shuffler, in a head on attack I start shooting at 10000
See?!?!?!?!?!?! The guns are over modeled!!!!!!!! :O
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This is one reason you can kill 999000 before you ever get into range of his guns! :devil
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:rofl
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Just read through some of this thread... and.. a few errors come up.
Bombers cruised to targets. Fighters did not cruise while attacking them.
So historically while bombers were flying very slow, very lumbering -- and some cruise speeds are listed as 180 range -- fighters would be full throttle, or even WEP or diving on a target.
Closure rates in real WW2 bomber attacks were far far faster. Also defensive fire was much much less dangerous than in this game. Gunners wouldn't open up from thousands of yards out like here, and they definitely wouldn't score any hits at that range either.
I'd personally love to see ANY sources state a 262 was brought down by defensive gunfire. I don't know one way or the other, but I currently doubt it ever happened. In this game it's the most common way to kill them: nail them while they're hitting your bombers.
So no, the closure rates are NOT historic in this game, nor are the gameplay dynamics surrounding bombers and attacking bombers.
That aside, my personal opinion is that a nice 12 high attack that rotates into a near vertical 6 is a sweet shot. You run a risk of being hit from the dorsal gunner as you close in for the kill, but if you can rotate your beginning roll just a bit you can swoop in a hair off-angle and disrupt the gunner's aim. That's just one way (in a game, not in WW2) that you can do it.
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I dont think so Krusty and bear with me I know what your thinking...
First off its true that most bombers bombed from a calibrated speed of 210 and in AH its more likely 285 but thats 285 at 26k and not 30k like it was in the war. Also most fighters attacked on one or two head on passes and had to land. In AH most attacks on bombers are from dead six which in r/l would be foolish but in AH you dont very often see 100-400 plane missions.
Given all of that I think that the head on attacks in AH are much much closer to r/l than are the 'typical' attacks on bombers in AH. Much faster? I dont think so.
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Gunners wouldn't open up from thousands of yards out like here, and they definitely wouldn't score any hits at that range either.
And neither they do in AH. A gunner that opens fire at "thousands of yards" is just wasting his ammo.
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Actually the only reason I start a burst at 1000 with a head-on attack...is to check the aim.
999000 <S>
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Actually the only reason I start a burst at 1000 with a head-on attack...is to check the aim.
999000 <S>
I try to check the aim at 200 still can't hit crap :lol can't hit nothing in a wirble either going to have to work on that any tips besides keeping my eyes open
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And neither they do in AH. A gunner that opens fire at "thousands of yards" is just wasting his ammo.
i see it a lot. guys firing at me from 2.5k. i've been hit at 1.5k.
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i see it a lot. guys firing at me from 2.5k.
You see this a lot, and you should rejoice when they are doing that :)
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You see this a lot, and you should rejoice when they are doing that :)
i do......'cause i just fly along with :devil them till i think they're out of ammo.
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this is a great way to kill anything without a belly gunner. :t
HO'ed the lead bomber then immle round and got under the other two, they didnt last long with that easy a shot.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/belly_angle.JPG)
film: http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/how_to_kill_lancs.ahf
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I prefer the low 6 o'clock position with either the bf-110 w/WrGr rockets or the B-25H w/75mm cannon at a pursuit distance of 1.5k. Though I usually end up in a ball of fire, the rewards of a successful attack and subsequent triple victory are worth the flames. :aok Mot to mention the PM's of "WTF?...How did you kill me with a bomber?" or "How can you shoot me with rockets so far away?". LOL :x
:airplane: :joystick: :airplane:
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close eyes and :pray :neener: :neener: :old: :x
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Depends on what bomber:
Lanc: anywhere below coverage of tail turret
B-17/B-24:strait from the side or HO
B-26: on the side forward of the wings
Ki-67: below the plane, or to the side forward of the 20mm
Ju88: pretty much anywhere but directly astern. The guns have pretty limited arcs of fire.
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this is a great way to kill anything without a belly gunner. :t
HO'ed the lead bomber then immle round and got under the other two, they didnt last long with that easy a shot.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/belly_angle.JPG)
film: http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/how_to_kill_lancs.ahf
dammit!!
why didn't i ever think of that???? :headscratch:
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I wonder when you flip back around and try for a belly shot if you pull hard toward there 6 then go inverted in the climb seems like that would make an easy shot :headscratch:
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For sure! There are many quicker ways but I just wanted to try this method out. The last time we did something like this was flying a 110 and I flew underneath some lancs while my squady Buffer killed them with the tail gun. Sure it would be easier to use the 30mm cannons but this was more fun!
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For sure! There are many quicker ways but I just wanted to try this method out. The last time we did something like this was flying a 110 and I flew underneath some lancs while my squady Buffer killed them with the tail gun. Sure it would be easier to use the 30mm cannons but this was more fun!
and fun is what this is all about. :aok
i'm gonna up a b26 now, and go huntin for lancs........ :noid :rofl :bolt:
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Seems to be anywhere in my bombers. :D Lately I've been amazed at the quick kills planes with .50 cal have been. They kill me like they're 30mm. Just had an F4U-1A take my wing off with a short head-on burst in my B-26's. I've had some kill my B-24's w/ .50 cal like they were paper. On the other side, I've had to put a load of .50's in the right spots and get nothing. I understand engines, cockpits and plane parts but not whole wings or even blowing up with a quick pass. Like for someone to link a video or story of US buffs losing wings to fighters. As for gunning, sometimes I can get quick kills but mostly the fighter just looks like a Christmas Tree but no damage. German gun cameras never showed taking off wings to my knowledge.