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Title: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Treize69 on November 16, 2009, 02:46:57 PM
I know that its going to just be a dogfighting arena (at least that's the plan now)- no strats, no bombers, no 'War'. I'm fine with that. Not looking to get into an argument over the goals of the new addition. I'm just happy we're getting it, and overjoyed at the interest in WWI aircraft and fliers that's been generated since the announcement.

However, is this new WWI add-on going to only be late-war aircraft? Only 1917-18? Or will it eventually creep forward to fill in the planeset a bit with earlier models? I mean, will it always be higher profile, big name fighters like the Camel, Dr.I and D.VII (with which we are starting out) and later additions to this same point, like the SPAD, Nieuport 28, Albatros D.Va, Se.5 et al? Or will it eventually include the earlier, but no less important boxes like the Eindecker, Fe.2, Dh.2, FB.5, Avro 504, Sopwith Pup, Fokker D.I and D.II, Halberstadt... the list goes on and on. Aircraft that might not be the first most folks think of when they think of WWI dogfights, but that are no less important.

I for one hope like heck that it will eventually roll forward to fill in everything from the Eindecker right through to the planes of the Fall of 1918. Does anyone else feel the same way, or are we all just happy to have some wood and canvas to fly and don't really care about 'filling out the planeset'? I know I'll fly it either way, just wondering who else feels the same as I do about it and what the long-term goals at HTC might be.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Anaxogoras on November 16, 2009, 02:49:50 PM
I would be really surprised to see the Eindecker or DH2 from HTC in my lifetime.  But who knows? ;)  I'm all for the 1915-1916 fighters.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Motherland on November 16, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
<Wants to fly the Eindecker
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Treize69 on November 16, 2009, 02:53:35 PM
I've always been a big fan of the Eindecker and its pilots (big Boelcke fan) but I understand MMP reluctance to include it- its relatively slow and not very maneuverable, its only claim to fame was its synchronized gun and the skill and innovativeness of some of its pilots. But still, if it was matched up with other planes of the same point in time (like the Avro, which started out as a recon bird and ended up being used as a bomber and fighter too) it could also be a lot of fun and real learning experience for those of us who are drawn here by the history and love of the planes themselves rather than the need to just rack up cartoon kills.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Oldman731 on November 16, 2009, 03:48:54 PM
I for one hope like heck that it will eventually roll forward to fill in everything from the Eindecker right through to the planes of the Fall of 1918.

Guess that will depend on how popular the arena becomes.  As the present version of AH2 shows, however, it isn't realistically possible to create all planes for all wars.

- oldman
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Treize69 on November 16, 2009, 03:53:05 PM
Yeah, that was bit of a typo- I meant everything as in the whole period of the war, not every aircraft that flew. I know thats both impossible and impractical.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Anaxogoras on November 16, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
As the present version of AH2 shows, however, it isn't realistically possible to create all planes for all wars.

- oldman

You're assuming that the present version of AH is good evidence for that conclusion.  I can think of a sim that has all of the early war aircraft we wish for, i.e. He 111, G4M, Ki-43, P-36, Yak-1, Lagg-3, etc. ;)

Sorry for the hijack, bring on the E.III!
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Treize69 on November 17, 2009, 12:36:19 AM
(http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=266&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=1597652)

!
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Anaxogoras on November 17, 2009, 05:53:47 AM
(http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/attachments/replica-fighters/2612d1228919501-walt-redfern-fokker-dr-1-triplane-drawings-sale-dh2.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Anaxogoras on November 17, 2009, 06:32:32 AM
And your favorite:

(http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/Europe/Belgium/Deurne/museum_stampe/Albatros_D.Va.JPG)
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Furball on November 17, 2009, 07:20:13 AM
I would love to see a Sopwith Pup or a 'Tripehound'.

(http://www.airmuseumsuk.org/airshow/2003/Shut030907/800/images/002%20Sopwith%20Triplane.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Crythos on November 17, 2009, 07:31:44 AM
Think its a great addition, personally hope they add the Spad sooner rather than later.

About a million years ago as a snot nosed kid building plastic models was always my favorite would be great to fly one on the PC rather than run round with my arm in the air :P
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Treize69 on November 17, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
(http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Albatros/hitechrevsm.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Megalodon on November 17, 2009, 11:53:09 AM
I know that its going to just be a dogfighting arena (at least that's the plan now)- no strats, no bombers, no 'War'. I'm fine with that. Not looking to get into an argument over the goals of the new addition. I'm just happy we're getting it, and overjoyed at the interest in WWI aircraft and fliers that's been generated since the announcement.

However, is this new WWI add-on going to only be late-war aircraft? Only 1917-18? Or will it eventually creep forward to fill in the planeset a bit with earlier models? I mean, will it always be higher profile, big name fighters like the Camel, Dr.I and D.VII (with which we are starting out) and later additions to this same point, like the SPAD, Nieuport 28, Albatros D.Va, Se.5 et al? Or will it eventually include the earlier, but no less important boxes like the Eindecker, Fe.2, Dh.2, FB.5, Avro 504, Sopwith Pup, Fokker D.I and D.II, Halberstadt... the list goes on and on. Aircraft that might not be the first most folks think of when they think of WWI dogfights, but that are no less important.

I for one hope like heck that it will eventually roll forward to fill in everything from the Eindecker right through to the planes of the Fall of 1918. Does anyone else feel the same way, or are we all just happy to have some wood and canvas to fly and don't really care about 'filling out the planeset'? I know I'll fly it either way, just wondering who else feels the same as I do about it and what the long-term goals at HTC might be.


I had the same question  in the previous thread, had it all laid out pics and all, and hit the frickin back button :mad: and never reposted.

I would be nice to leave some of the candy on the tree so to speak and start with the early models. Like the Eindecker would be a perk plane in the early set.  I sure hope that we dont get 2-3 arenas.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Shuffler on November 17, 2009, 11:58:27 AM

  I sure hope that we dont get 2-3 arenas.

I don't think the numbers will require it after it all pans out.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: HHBurn on November 17, 2009, 01:13:14 PM
No idea why your wasting space on this subject.  Surely your not getting your hopes up..do none of you remember the CT or campaign thingy?
The only constant around here is smoke and mirrors and incomplete ideas.
We are seeing the very early stages of what might turn out to be the next great "two weeks" joke.
If you want to post on anything..post requests for realistic time frames and weekly/bi-monthly updates on progress.
That way we don't have to see 300 posts about where is the WWI arena?
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Yeager on November 17, 2009, 01:17:11 PM
The only constant around here is smoke and mirrors and incomplete ideas.
We are seeing the very early stages of what might turn out to be the next great "two weeks" joke.
lol who pee'd in your wheaties this morning  :aok
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: SirLoin on November 17, 2009, 04:26:56 PM
It would have to be a RPS for ww1.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Treize69 on November 17, 2009, 05:25:08 PM
(http://www.theaerodrome.com/gallery/files/1/1/1/0n17-med.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Gabriel on November 17, 2009, 06:13:30 PM
It's moot now I'm sure but I would have preferred a 1916 starter set  :uhoh
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Simba on November 18, 2009, 10:16:05 AM
I rather fancy a nice il'l Bristol Scout, like this'un, but with a forward-firing Vickers instead of Lanoe Hawker's early Lewis bolt-on.

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/Simba_of_DuxWing/bristol_scout.jpg)

Historically correct for No.6 Squadron RFC, y'see - the great Hawker was a Flight Commander and won his VC in 1611, 25th July 1915.

 :cool:

Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: HHBurn on November 18, 2009, 12:44:00 PM
lol who pee'd in your wheaties this morning  :aok

Noone I've just competed in this rodeo before..anyone who was looking forward to CT or any of the other "great creations" has seen this dance before...the "new" cityscape has been released at least twice that i've seen and toted as evidence of progress...
Its all well and fine to become excited about a new shiny but, if we do not learn from the history of events we are doomed to see them repeated.
Ask for updates and timeframes, these are useful pieces of information..dont spam the forums full of pictures of balsa wood aircraft that you know you will never get.
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Boxboy on November 18, 2009, 02:18:00 PM
Noone I've just competed in this rodeo before..anyone who was looking forward to CT or any of the other "great creations" has seen this dance before...the "new" cityscape has been released at least twice that i've seen and toted as evidence of progress...
Its all well and fine to become excited about a new shiny but, if we do not learn from the history of events we are doomed to see them repeated.
Ask for updates and timeframes, these are useful pieces of information..dont spam the forums full of pictures of balsa wood aircraft that you know you will never get.

I thought they were quite specific "for a game producer", not this next patch but before the end of the year.  I just don't think your going to get any better than that.

Let me say that the team has done WWI "before" so this is not experimental like CT was, and futher more it is unlikely that HTC would follow a fail like CT with another one what would be the point??
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: SPKmes on November 18, 2009, 02:39:03 PM
There has been only 1 time ENY has interfered with my usual ride and I used the p40b    any at the time was 39 :O
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Boxboy on November 18, 2009, 03:44:12 PM
There has been only 1 time ENY has interfered with my usual ride and I used the p40b    any at the time was 39 :O

 :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: :O
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: Treize69 on November 18, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
There has been only 1 time ENY has interfered with my usual ride and I used the p40b    any at the time was 39 :O

(http://humour.200ok.com.au/img/pancake_bunny.jpg)
Title: Re: Yet another WWI planeset question-
Post by: phatzo on November 19, 2009, 08:54:32 PM
can I have a toke tongs