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Title: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Mano on November 19, 2009, 03:13:53 PM
 :airplane:

Gonna clean off those Goggles.......

get the scarf dry cleaned.......

purchase a new set of thermal underwear......

and pick up some glove warmers


 :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: shiv on November 19, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
From http://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html

Release of the WWI planes is expected before the end of the year although it will not be in the next version release.

Pretty excited.  It should be a lot of fun when it first comes out and there's a lot of players.   
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 19, 2009, 04:20:42 PM
From that snippet, we'll be getting possibly two updates before the new year.  While I'm excited about the WW1 arena, I'm really interested to see what is in store for the other update that will be coming first.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Plazus on November 19, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
From that snippet, we'll be getting possibly two updates before the new year.  While I'm excited about the WW1 arena, I'm really interested to see what is in store for the other update that will be coming first.


ack-ack

Im anticipating the first/next update to be something big. Its been a while now since the last update.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: phatzo on November 19, 2009, 07:51:32 PM
We fear change
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Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Ramon on November 19, 2009, 08:14:36 PM
I expect we will get the WWI update in......TWO WEEKS!!!!!
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 19, 2009, 08:31:05 PM
Im anticipating the first/next update to be something big. Its been a while now since the last update.

I hope so, not saying that I expect a new plane because I don't.  I hope that the next update has the new strat system and <crosses fingers> the perk ordnance system.  Would love to be able to carry HVAR rockets on the B-25H.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: bravoa8 on November 19, 2009, 08:33:41 PM
I expect we will get the WWI update in......TWO WEEKS!!!!!
WOOOOOOO we all know it! :lol
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: jay on November 19, 2009, 08:37:27 PM
I hope so, not saying that I expect a new plane because I don't.  I hope that the next update has the new strat system and <crosses fingers> the perk ordnance system.  Would love to be able to carry HVAR rockets on the B-25H.


ack-ack

perking ordanance would suck :/
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: bravoa8 on November 19, 2009, 08:40:32 PM
perking ordanance would suck :/
I agree.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Enker on November 19, 2009, 08:43:18 PM
We will be getting the WWI A/C on Christmas day, but only if we let HiTech's sleigh get to its destination.

 :P
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: stroker71 on November 19, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
A-26 in the next update...or so I hear!  :O :t :noid

DuHasst
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: gyrene81 on November 19, 2009, 09:22:17 PM
We will be getting the WWI A/C on Christmas day, but only if we let HiTech's sleigh get to its destination.
I'm manning the 5 inch puffy ack now.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: B4Buster on November 19, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
<---bets my perks on the Beaufighter being in the next update
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Kazaa on November 19, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
When's the last time we got something for christmas ?
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Strip on November 19, 2009, 10:30:05 PM
perking ordanance would suck :/
I agree.

I  believe only special ordnance would be perked...like the Tiny Tim, 2,000lb centerline bombs for F4u, parabombs, etc.

Standard GP bombs would more than likely still be free.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Plazus on November 19, 2009, 10:30:28 PM
When's the last time we got something for christmas ?

Coal?  :bolt:
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: thndregg on November 19, 2009, 10:57:39 PM
Waiting to see if WW1 will or will not be like Early War Arena is now. Fascinating fad when new. Rarely visited when new is gone.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 19, 2009, 11:30:16 PM
perking ordanance would suck :/

I agree.

You obviously didn't read Pyro's post from awhile back that briefly explained how the perk ordnance system would work.  I really don't understand why people would think it would suck, except those that have no clue as to what it would entail and are automatically assuming that every ordnance package would be perked. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Strip on November 19, 2009, 11:44:13 PM
You obviously didn't read Pyro's post from awhile back that briefly explained how the perk ordnance system would work.  I really don't understand why people would think it would suck, except those that have no clue as to what it would entail and are automatically assuming that every ordnance package would be perked. 

ack-ack

Perk the 100 lbers!!!
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: usvi on November 20, 2009, 07:32:23 AM
When's the last time we got something for christmas ?
You forgot last year?
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Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: PanosGR on November 20, 2009, 07:38:30 AM
Me-410 for the next update release prior to WWI introduction. HTC himslef told me that  :old: :noid
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: HighTone on November 20, 2009, 07:46:50 AM
Nope Nope its the Ki-43 and the G4M that are in the next update. I called Ms. Cleo and she told me, actually Ms. Cleo called me because she knew I wanted to know. :aok
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Shuffler on November 20, 2009, 09:07:13 AM
perking ordanance would suck :/

Why? What else is there to spend on. Once in a great while fly a 262? I've got almost 30,000 perks with nothing to spend them on.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Boxboy on November 20, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Why? What else is there to spend on. Once in a great while fly a 262? I've got almost 30,000 perks with nothing to spend them on.

Rah Rah Siscum BaH, Shuffler Shuffler he's our man if he can't do it, HiTech can  :devil :rock
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Helm on November 20, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
Waiting to see if WW1 will or will not be like Early War Arena is now. Fascinating fad when new. Rarely visited when new is gone.


I could not agree more.  The sad thing is: ... all that time and effort that could have been used to make Aces better, is wasted on this.

  I feel that the Spanish civil war would have been a better plane set to work on since some of the effort could have been translated into some nice early war events.  Many planes from that period soldiered on into 1940 and beyond.  An example:  He-51 would have been more useful to us then a bloody DR.I?

    oh well ....nobody listens to me...why I bother posting on this board is a mystery to me


Helm ...out
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: gyrene81 on November 20, 2009, 10:24:11 AM
 oh well ....nobody listens to me...why I bother posting on this board is a mystery to me
Agreed...here's a cookie.
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Look at the long term...AH is better than anything else going right now...with the projected changes coming, anything is possible as HTC continues to make improvements.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: GuyNoir on November 20, 2009, 11:05:02 AM
I could not agree more.  The sad thing is: ... all that time and effort that could have been used to make Aces better, is wasted on this.

That's not quite right.  They're gonna use the WWI arena to test out the new damage model overhaul that gets me more excited than any new planes could.  (now if they could just add in snow and desert terrains, too  :D)
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Westy on November 20, 2009, 11:10:56 AM
I'm not worried about a perk system for ordnance but I'd be ijnterested in seeing what
was talked about.  Ack-Ack do you have a link or rough idea of when Pyro posted about
the ordnance? I searched and came up with nothing unless I did not go back far enough.

thanks
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Bear76 on November 20, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
When's the last time we got something for christmas ?
Slash gave me a dog turd for christmas last year :(
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: PanosGR on November 20, 2009, 12:04:36 PM
Though i  like the idea of WWI plane set i have to agree with "Helm...out" on the spanish civil war thing. That would have been potentialy very very intresting
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Shuffler on November 20, 2009, 12:24:27 PM
... or add a crop dusting feature for the farmers.  Could be used in EW arena for raising crops (strat). The crops can be bombed and burned (add flamethrowers). Successful crops can be sold for perks. Giving new meaning to "Perk Farming".     :neener:
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 20, 2009, 02:00:33 PM
I'm not worried about a perk system for ordnance but I'd be ijnterested in seeing what
was talked about.  Ack-Ack do you have a link or rough idea of when Pyro posted about
the ordnance? I searched and came up with nothing unless I did not go back far enough.

thanks

When we got the B-25H, a thread was started about adding some of the additional ordnance packages the B-25H used operationally when Pyro replied to that thread explaining how ordnance was limited by the game but they were working on a perked ordnance system and briefly described how they envisioned it would work and would allow perked configurations of things like HVAR rockets on the B-25H.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: mensa180 on November 20, 2009, 08:21:26 PM
It just means that in addition to charging perk points for perk planes, we can also charge perk points for ordnance.  How it will work is you will have to use your perk points to equip your plane.  Every rocket, bomb, and round of ammunition will cost perk points.  The more powerful something is, the more it will cost.  .50 caliber rounds will be a lot cheaper than 20mm rounds, but you do carry a lot more of them.  The cool thing is that if you score a hit with a round, you will not be charged for that round. So if you get really close and hit with all of your rounds, it won't cost you any extra perk points.  .30 caliber rounds will always be free so even if you run out of perk points, you can still fly a Spit I or Hurricane I.  Note that if you get shot down you will be charged for all the ordnance that was on the plane.  Another cool thing about this is that if you like the heavy weaponry but aren't such a good shot, you will now be able to buy additional perk points with your credit card so you can always get that extra boost if you really want it.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Enker on November 20, 2009, 10:10:19 PM
So, Aces High will become another Korean MMO?
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Ruler2 on November 20, 2009, 10:21:54 PM
... or add a crop dusting feature for the farmers.  Could be used in EW arena for raising crops (strat). The crops can be bombed and burned (add flamethrowers). Successful crops can be sold for perks. Giving new meaning to "Perk Farming".     :neener:

That actually sounds halfway fun IMO. Although if that happened squeakers would start to whine for the whole Sims RPG setup :D
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Westy on November 21, 2009, 08:00:00 AM
Thanks Ack-Ack and Mensa180.  I'd not gone that far back :)
2006? Not sure it's still their plan but would be nice.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: jay on November 22, 2009, 11:15:08 PM
we will probley get it after the end of the year pending  :noid
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Mano on November 23, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
Many of you who have only flown in WWII or later a/c are going to be very surprised how different the dogfights are in WWI.

BnZ fighters, alt monkeys, turn and burn,  yep.....they are all there. The real difference is turn fighting. Some fights start with allot of alt and end up in the dirt while others start down in
the dirt and end in the dirt or may even end in a collision. Tactics are very different.

The maneuvers used are the Wingover, Splits S, Immelmann , Barrel rolls (inside or outside), Chandelles, Scissors, ect. and
even putting on the brakes. The pilot does not experience as many G forces as the WWII pilot.

Get a Wing and you can even do a Thach Weave. Fighting at a speed of 100 mph or less is very different indeed.

The real challenge in WWI is to dive into a Furball and be the only one to fly out alive.

That is the thrill of dogfighting in WWI.

 :salute
Mano
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Shuffler on November 23, 2009, 01:54:12 PM
Many of you who have only flown in WWII or later a/c are going to be very surprised how different the dogfights are in WWI.

BnZ fighters, alt monkeys, turn and burn,  yep.....they are all there. The real difference is turn fighting. Some fights start with allot of alt and end up in the dirt while others start down in
the dirt and end in the dirt or may even end in a collision. Tactics are very different.

The maneuvers used are the Wingover, Splits S, Immelmann , Barrel rolls (inside or outside), Chandelles, Scissors, ect. and
even putting on the brakes. The pilot does not experience as many G forces as the WWII pilot.

Get a Wing and you can even do a Thach Weave. Fighting at a speed of 100 mph or less is very different indeed.

The real challenge in WWI is to dive into a Furball and be the only one to fly out alive.

That is the thrill of dogfighting in WWI.

 :salute
Mano

Sounds about the same as in WWII to me.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: AKP on November 23, 2009, 01:55:28 PM
It just means that in addition to charging perk points for perk planes, we can also charge perk points for ordnance.  How it will work is you will have to use your perk points to equip your plane.  Every rocket, bomb, and round of ammunition will cost perk points.  The more powerful something is, the more it will cost.  .50 caliber rounds will be a lot cheaper than 20mm rounds, but you do carry a lot more of them.  The cool thing is that if you score a hit with a round, you will not be charged for that round. So if you get really close and hit with all of your rounds, it won't cost you any extra perk points.  .30 caliber rounds will always be free so even if you run out of perk points, you can still fly a Spit I or Hurricane I.  Note that if you get shot down you will be charged for all the ordnance that was on the plane.  Another cool thing about this is that if you like the heavy weaponry but aren't such a good shot, you will now be able to buy additional perk points with your credit card so you can always get that extra boost if you really want it.

Kidding aside, perk ordnance is what it sounds like- the ability to charge perks for specific ordnance loadouts.  It means that instead of having the 1C as a separate plane, I can just make 20mm cannons a perked loadout on the 1D and save space.  Beyond that, we could offer up some more exotic weapon choices without fear of them overrunning the arenas or having to add separate planes to do them.  57mm on your Mossie, Tiny Tims on your Corsair, whatever.  We're not going to do nukes so forget about that.  I don't know when this will be done so don't ask.

kamilyun: I am amazed at the number of fish your bait is catching, to bad none are keepers.

Wow... I didn't know bait lasted this long!  You would think after 3 years on the hook that it would have all be eaten up by now.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: gon4beer on November 24, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
WW! flyin is alot different. Have to hit some different places..(no gas in wings) and your alot more likely to fall off the air. :airplane:
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Simba on November 24, 2009, 03:38:09 PM
"The real challenge in WWI is to dive into a Furball and be the only one to fly out alive."

Indeed it is. I recall doing it frequently in DoA. Come in high above those silly Tripehounds turning in slow circles, select the one to kill, dive in, blast him, extend rapidly, grab alt, return and do it again until all hounds are truly triped. Excellent fighting scout, the jolly ol' SE5a . . .

 :aok
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Enker on November 24, 2009, 04:28:32 PM
WW! flyin is alot different. Have to hit some different places..(no gas in wings) and your alot more likely to fall off the air. :airplane:
There may be no gas in the wings, but you still lose structural integrity with every shattered wooden spar.  :devil
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Treize69 on November 24, 2009, 08:44:26 PM
WW! flyin is alot different. Have to hit some different places..(no gas in wings) and your alot more likely to fall off the air. :airplane:

Just do the same thing that works best in WWII AH- aim for the pilot.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Treize69 on November 27, 2009, 09:13:44 PM
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Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: bravoa8 on November 27, 2009, 11:22:18 PM
Don't forget 2 weeks! :x
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: BrownBaron on November 28, 2009, 12:29:47 AM
hm.....i dont know too much about WW1 air combat, what kind of AA will there be? if its 20 and 40mm cannons, we have no chance attacking a base at 150mph.....
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: kvuo75 on November 28, 2009, 08:33:09 AM
hm.....i dont know too much about WW1 air combat, what kind of AA will there be? if its 20 and 40mm cannons, we have no chance attacking a base at 150mph.....

I dont think there's gonna be any base attacking:

Quote from: Hitech's front page
These new planes will be available in a separate WWI dogfight arena and will also be available for special events.

Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Shuffler on November 28, 2009, 08:37:06 AM
hm.....i dont know too much about WW1 air combat, what kind of AA will there be? if its 20 and 40mm cannons, we have no chance attacking a base at 150mph.....

4 planes, no base, no strat, no buffs. Dog fighting!
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Motherland on November 28, 2009, 05:34:56 PM
hm.....i dont know too much about WW1 air combat, what kind of AA will there be? if its 20 and 40mm cannons, we have no chance attacking a base at 150mph.....
I don't think WWI AA went much beyond Maxims on tripods.
That said, I doubt you'll be attacking anything at 150 mph :D
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: zarkov on November 28, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
I don't think WWI AA went much beyond Maxims on tripods.
That said, I doubt you'll be attacking anything at 150 mph :D

Well, the SPAD XIII and the SE5a could probably hit 150 mph (or higher) in a dive.

I believe groundfire in WWI basically amounted to tripod mounted MG's, some heavier stuff which probably was more terrifying than accurate (like flaming onions), Archie (standard flak) at higher altitudes (which was so inaccurate so that it was mostly comical...comical, that is, until it hit) and, of course, every Tommy and Fritz within visual range would probably be taking pot shots with his rifle just to alleviate the boredom of life in the mud.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Spikes on November 28, 2009, 06:10:10 PM
perking ordanance would suck :/
No it would not.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Mano on December 10, 2009, 11:14:44 PM
............................. Two Weeks !

.

......... :banana:... :banana:... :banana:... :banana:
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: bustr on December 11, 2009, 05:18:54 AM
Much of WWI air combat stemmed from the importance of observation planes.

The fighter was developed from the need to protect or deny the observation plane the ability to spot troop movements, take photos, supply build ups, artillery spotting and nuisance bombing. Fighter vs. fighter combat otherwise had littel strategic value to the war effort untill they started carrying small bombs to harass trenches. Protecting or destroying the observation planes did. Observation plane crews had life spans measured in hours opposed to fighter pilots measuered to about three weeks.

In the WWI arena the heros would be the guys who can survive in two seaters.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: TexMurphy on December 11, 2009, 08:40:48 AM
Speaking of two seaters.... some of them are such a beauties... like the Salmson 2A2 which is one of my favo WW1 planes....

(http://www.karrart.com/karrart/avpix/2dpub1/APSAL.JPG)

Tex
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: 68Wooley on December 12, 2009, 01:18:18 PM
Speaking of two seaters.... some of them are such a beauties... like the Salmson 2A2 which is one of my favo WW1 planes....

Tex

On the other hand, some of them were criminally bad. The fact the RFC was still sending boys out in BE2Cs and FE2's in 1918 is beyond belief.
Title: Re: Are We Getting Those WWI A/C before Christmas?
Post by: Jappa52 on December 13, 2009, 11:27:13 AM
don't know if you guys have seen this site but you should check it out. they build ww1 aircraft to original specs including the some of the engines. Interesting to see the whole process.

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/