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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: zarkov on November 24, 2009, 12:40:51 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY5mDKmS_xk&feature=related
Start the vid at around 4:30.
The mighty Manfred Von Richthofen does what?
Yep...
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Well that does it for me. What a HO bag manfred was. Just look at what it has done to our children in AH! Turned them into open channel miscreants and defilers of humanity!
Damn the HOs Damn them! :cry
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Until we actually have to fight for our lives, fight the good fight. :salute
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Knew it !
see sig.
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It's been going on even longer than that :devil
(http://users.tpg.com.au/steelyj//medieval-knights-jousting-1.jpg)
Steely
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Neat.
Another one trying to justify his own dweeby behavior by comparing a war to a video game.
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Tactic in war..... where you get one life.
In a game it is simply dweebish.
In real life you have limited time to improve... one mistake and you'll probably die.
In game you have a lot of time to improve (should one try) and if you make a mistake you get another chance.
.... and even longer
(http://www.fotothing.com/photos/2a9/2a98d4d9c865aa34b26cb56c898e27c1_546.jpg)
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I avoid HO's like the plague, but in two and half years of flying I have been HO'ed by the worst & the best of Aces High. It happens... :aok
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Stop telling them to stop hoing.... A ho is the easiest kill in the game. :devil
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Stop telling them to stop hoing.... A ho is the easiest kill in the game. :devil
Just no fight........ and the game is about the fight.
If you just want to ho there is a perfect game.... Galaga.
(http://sheilamiller31.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/galaga.jpg)
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OH Boy is this "another" HO thread? :cry
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(http://everygame.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/headon.jpg?w=300&h=225)
in
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Looked like near the end of his 1st flight he "wacked" a friendly!! :uhoh
so let me see - it's OK to shoot you in the back but not to your face . Not sure the knights of old would see ANY honour in that! :neener:
HO-boys - gotta love em eh! :D
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It's only a HO if you're the one that gets shot down, otherwise, according to the old schoolers, it's a 'Front Quarter Angle Shot' or so I'm told.
I Always HO. You can save all that Quasi-Ettiquete for the DA where it belongs, like I said before, if I get a shot, I'm taking it. If you're foolish enough to approach a plane with cannon head on, you deserve your firey death.
-Twitchy
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It's only a HO if you're the one that gets shot down, otherwise, according to the old schoolers, it's a 'Front Quarter Angle Shot' or so I'm told.
I Always HO. You can save all that Quasi-Ettiquete for the DA where it belongs, like I said before, if I get a shot, I'm taking it. If you're foolish enough to approach a plane with cannon head on, you deserve your firey death.
-Twitchy
Hence why you couldn't fly/fight your way out of a wet paper sack :aok
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Hence why you couldn't fly/fight your way out of a wet paper sack :aok
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Hence why you couldn't fly/fight your way out of a wet paper sack :aok
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At least it's not like all the sqweekers and newbies are turning OFF their tracers to hide the HO.
I was HO'd last week by a long time vet who turned his tracers off. Not seeing tracers during the HO\ err merge.... threw off my timing and I rolled myself into the bullet stream thinking I was evading the bullets. I only had the gun flashes at the last moment in the merge to let me know he was firing. I was manuvering to slip past him at the merge when he fired. Never occured to me how much of a visual reference the other planes tracer stream is in the game for evading the HO.
THUS - The master merging shooter should disable tracers, stay in the head on merge till the last possible moment, then snap a merging shot.
Wow, just changing the language and it sounds so ordinary, technical, and less PC. Merging Shot........... :angel: :joystick:
I'm protecting the name of the long time vet because I bet he's an equal opportunity HO'er and will share with the rest of you....... ;)
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Hence why you couldn't fly/fight your way out of a wet paper sack :aok
ouch
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Half the fun of HOin is just to annoy people.
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Guys, it is a guns game. Get in the path of a bullet and you will be killed. Whether its from aft or front, above or below, to or fro.......Of course you can cotinue to whine about it, doesnt change anything.
Tally HO :O
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Funny I thought it was a fighter game. You can fight... or skip the whole idea all together and just Ho. Of course if you skip the whole idea of the game.... might as well go play Galaga..... Hoing is all you can do on that game.
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It's a proclaimation..."I suck", nothing more. From that point on it's an easy kill usually.
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It's a proclaimation..."I suck", nothing more. From that point on it's an easy kill usually.
I get killed by a HO every so often. Most who try to Ho me die though. Fairly easy to shoot down someone who puts all their eggs in one basket. You just have to make them miss the first pass.
I can't help but laugh when you fly by them and they are spraying away..... ammo can't last too long for those types... and just what the heck are they shooting at. The most basic thing one needs to do is put the piper on target then press trigger. Maybe they get too excited knowing that if the con they are Hoing gets by... they are going to the tower.
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Funny I thought it was a fighter game.
lol maybe thats your problem shuff :rock Try to understand: AH is alot more than just a fighter game, and to many people a hell of a lot more. its a strategic war game, a GV game, a territorial conquest game, a bomber game, a naval game. All sorts of combinations therin. As you now know well AH a WW2 strategic wargame and soon to add a WW1 dogfight arena (hey! right up your alley, well...sort of)!
About the only thing AH is not: AH is not a first person infantry combat shooter. Too bad really.
:salute :salute
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might as well go play Galaga..... Hoing is all you can do on that game.
So the aliens are guys who can fight out of wet paper sacks, and the little spaceship is a fighter pilot who can't, and you ho, or, um, errrrr.....I'm lost :headscratch: Darn you for your deep analogies Shuffler! :lol
It's a proclaimation..."I suck", nothing more. From that point on it's an easy kill usually.
I am not advocating HO's, but this is virtual pilot myth.
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My word, a blast from the Red Baron past!
And the same old HO thread to follow. Y-a-a-a-a-a-a-w-n.
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Y-a-a-a-a-a-a-w-n.
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What continually amazes me is the seemingly insatiable desire of HO'ers to validate their own lack of ability.
Oh it's a real-war tactic this, oh its your own fault that, etc, etc.
Flying to a fight and shooting on the merge is like driving to a cat house and jerking off in the lobby.
Some people get it, some people don't. Both are present in this thread.
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What continually amazes me is the seemingly insatiable desire of HO'ers to validate their own lack of ability.
Oh it's a real-war tactic this, oh its your own fault that, etc, etc.
Flying to a fight and shooting on the merge is like driving to a cat house and jerking off in the lobby.
Some people get it, some people don't. Both are present in this thread.
What continues to amaze me is how many people worry about what others do, or how others fly. If you don't like the HO don't do it. Its easy to avoid the HO so if it happens to you, you deserve it.
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lol maybe thats your problem shuff :rock Try to understand: AH is alot more than just a fighter game, and to many people a hell of a lot more. its a strategic war game, a GV game, a territorial conquest game, a bomber game, a naval game. All sorts of combinations therin. As you now know well AH a WW2 strategic wargame and soon to add a WW1 dogfight arena (hey! right up your alley, well...sort of)!
About the only thing AH is not: AH is not a first person infantry combat shooter. Too bad really.
:salute :salute
No.. I checked it's a fighter game.
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What continues to amaze me is how many people worry about what others do, or how others fly. If you don't like the HO don't do it. Its easy to avoid the HO so if it happens to you, you deserve it.
Oh it's a real-war tactic this, oh its your own fault that, etc, etc.
As stated.
Either way, I'd suggest that you're barking up the wrong tree. My only real complaint, when I see tracers coming at me from D2.0, as opposed to an attempt to gain separation, is that Ive found yet another dweeb who will only delay my quest for a decent fight.
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No.. I checked it's a fighter game.
Actually it's the "Internet's Premier World War II Combat Experience" game. It was at one time a strictly dog-fighting game, but no longer. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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At least it's not like all the sqweekers and newbies are turning OFF their tracers to hide the HO.
I was HO'd last week by a long time vet who turned his tracers off. Not seeing tracers during the HO\ err merge.... threw off my timing and I rolled myself into the bullet stream thinking I was evading the bullets. I only had the gun flashes at the last moment in the merge to let me know he was firing. I was manuvering to slip past him at the merge when he fired. Never occured to me how much of a visual reference the other planes tracer stream is in the game for evading the HO.
THUS - The master merging shooter should disable tracers, stay in the head on merge till the last possible moment, then snap a merging shot.
Wow, just changing the language and it sounds so ordinary, technical, and less PC. Merging Shot........... :angel: :joystick:
I'm protecting the name of the long time vet because I bet he's an equal opportunity HO'er and will share with the rest of you....... ;)
See you need some help so here ya go.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,97161.html
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Actually it's the "Internet's Premier World War II Combat Experience" game. It was at one time a strictly dog-fighting game, but no longer. Please correct me if I am wrong.
For those that have been here it is a fighter game.
OK Your corrected... :neener:
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Just no fight........ and the game is about the fight.
If you just want to ho there is a perfect game.... Galaga.
(http://sheilamiller31.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/galaga.jpg)
Man, whoever is playing Galaga in that screencap must be a total noob. I mean, come on! One fighter? Pretty weak if you ask me.
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Well butter.
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:rofl
The boards are hiccuping again.
Wonder if that is the server freezing or the software.
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:rofl
The boards are hiccuping again.
Wonder if that is the server freezing or the software.
no its just Enker being a pain in the butt :P
Actually it's the "Internet's Premier World War II Combat Experience" game. It was at one time a strictly dog-fighting game, but no longer. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Hoin AIN'T combat !
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I shall one day master the HO and be an elitist at base taking. Then all of you furballing, fighting n00bs can go crawl in a hole....
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What continues to amaze me is how many people worry about what others do, or how others fly. If you don't like the HO don't do it. Its easy to avoid the HO so if it happens to you, you deserve it.
Good grief
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What continues to amaze me is how many people worry about what others do, or how others fly. If you don't like the HO don't do it. Its easy to avoid the HO so if it happens to you, you deserve it.
Agreed. It's their 15 bucks.
With the amount of whining about what others do these days, one wonders how these guys would have fared in the ol' days when Fatty used to play.
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Agreed.
It's their 15 cents.
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If there was no concept of an HO, the whiners would whine about something else. Nothing would change. They just don't realize it is up to themselves to be in control and to have fun. :old:
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Hence why you couldn't fly/fight your way out of a wet paper sack :aok
Wait, I don't Ho and still can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag.
Flushed
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Wait, I don't Ho and still can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag.
Flushed
That's because you're being "trained" by BigRat :P
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:O, Wait a second here. Flushed has come a long way, he's farther then I was at his point in the game, despite my training :lol
:salute
BigRat
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When did you become an official trainer? #S# and congrats!
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When did you become an official trainer? #S# and congrats!
I was drafted Friday night :D
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Manfred von Richthofen was severely wounded in the head after attempting a HO on an enemy plane while flying his Albatross biplane. He took a glancing blow from the bullet off his skull and began blacking out. Miraculously, he was able to land his plane in a field in friendly territory. Soldiers in the area applied field dressings to slow the bleeding and he was taken quickly to a field hospital. It affected his tactics and attitude towards the war later.
It is rumored that he later altered the teachings of Oswald Boelke's Dicta to his men to include warning of the dangers of the HO.
ROX
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If there was no concept of an HO, the whiners would whine about something else. Nothing would change. They just don't realize it is up to themselves to be in control and to have fun. :old:
Personally I love to hear all you HOers whine then try to make it look like the Ho is more than what it really is.
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Eh, Shuffler boy? You are callin me something? On what grounds?
Go whine somewhere else, since that is all you whiners ever do :P
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See you need some help so here ya go.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,97161.html
I hope it wasn't me he was referring to, yes I fly with tracers off but it definitely was not a HO I scored on Bustr as he repeatedly tried to pick me by swooping down from his high alt perch. Got him to bleed enough energy that I was able to saddle up and splash him as he tried maneuvering in the vertical.
ack-ack
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Eh, Shuffler boy? You are callin me something? On what grounds?
Go whine somewhere else, since that is all you whiners ever do :P
You calling folks whiners and defending HOers........ :rofl Looks like a black eye for the Aces High Staff to me.
If I read your post wrong then my apologise, but that is the way I understood it.
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I hope it wasn't me he was referring to, yes I fly with tracers off but it definitely was not a HO I scored on Bustr as he repeatedly tried to pick me by swooping down from his high alt perch. Got him to bleed enough energy that I was able to saddle up and splash him as he tried maneuvering in the vertical.
ack-ack
I've never used tracers either. Just don't need them.
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It is rumored that he later altered the teachings of Oswald Boelke's Dicta to his men to include warning of the dangers of the HO.
Ok clue me in...how is getting shot in the front of the head different from getting shot in the back of the head? Other than the open casket question, in which case any head shot is likely to close the lid?
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You calling folks whiners and defending HOers........ :rofl Looks like a black eye for the Aces High Staff to me.
If I read your post wrong then my apologise, but that is the way I understood it.
Surprisingly....I got the same thing out of it. :headscratch:
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Ok clue me in...how is getting shot in the front of the head different from getting shot in the back of the head? Other than the open casket question, in which case any head shot is likely to close the lid?
If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will.
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If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will.
back at ya man :lol
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back at ya man :lol
I take it you're laughing at yourself, because you lack the skill to fight? I agree, that is funny.
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I put a clip of a olden oldie with a caption that was basically meant to be a joke and it sparks a five page flame war?
WTF?
Anyway, I avoid HO's like the plague when playing Red Baron (yes, I still play it - Thanks, DOSBox). Why? Because I want kills but I want to land them.
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Ok clue me in...how is getting shot in the front of the head different from getting shot in the back of the head? Other than the open casket question, in which case any head shot is likely to close the lid?
Much more dangerous attacking con from the front.... your open to his guns too.
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No HOs threads and parts of a thread are nothing more than a bully pulpit.
I dont HO for my own reasons. But some of your reaoning on not HOing is flawed. Mostly because a HO is clearly defined both have a gun solution. However if I am there 1 sec before the other guy that is technically not a HO. After a defined HO it is pure speculation and personal preference. Hey I have a gun solution and I pull the trigg then its other guys fault for pulling into my stream of bullits.
HOW many of you really see a HO on other than the 1st merge. If you have what are you doing in that position? It is clearly better to have vertical seperation on the merge. Like mergeing under the other con. YOU can Technically only HO a noob if he doesnt understand a thing and you still have to fly straight for his gunsight.
Then some of you go in sloppy overgeneralizations on what a fight should be.
Come on guys you have to follow the guy up to get roped. But most of you avoid it and dont think twice about it. Avoid the HO and there wont be one. I just think Most NO HO guys dont want any frontal shot but they are the first to do it when they get a slight advantage on the merge. Ive fought a few of you that will turn past the con you are fightings gun solution to get a better postion betting they won't "HO". Because they are afraid to offend after some slop they read on the BB,s But when you get the tinest lead you pull the trigger.
If we want to overgeneralize what a good fight is,Bnz and roping are lamer tactics that a HO. How many of you always saddle up on the guys six before you pull the trigger.
NO HO is Epic FAIL
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I have that very distinct sound of Spit16 guns "doppler effecting" right by me as I dodge their sad attempt at a rare air kill engrained in my head. Such a common sound in this game that is packed tight with tards these days.
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I take it you're laughing at yourself, because you lack the skill to fight? I agree, that is funny.
If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will.
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Much more dangerous attacking con from the front.... your open to his guns too.
Agreed but it is still a legitimate shot. Not a smart one, but sometimes necessary, and certainly not a shot that should be demonized.
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About the only time I'll HO is outnumbered by a large margin or when someone performs a lead turn so early that he is flying across my nose.
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And what is yours, Shuffler? Black eye for Texans? ... Americans?
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And what is yours, Shuffler? Black eye for Texans? ... Americans?
Only to folks like you. I guess we read your post correctly then.
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Hi HO...hi HO...it's off to work we HO!!!
(tap ur toes and hum along...)......hmm hm hm hmmm hmm hm hm hmmmm........
...SEE - even Uncle Walt thought HO's were ok!! :neener:
.....the FOREVER thread eh!! :D
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.... and even longer
(http://www.areavoices.com/astrobob/images/moon_formation.jpg)
"Fricken HO-Tard!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!"
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If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will.
Oh I get it, you can't fight :D
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Just no fight........ and the game is about the fight.
If you just want to ho there is a perfect game.... Galaga.
(http://sheilamiller31.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/galaga.jpg)
Shuff, move left INto the force field to get captured!!!!!! Successfully shoot the dude that has you captive and you get DOUBLE the gunships MAN!!!!
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Hi HO...hi HO...it's off to work we HO!!!
(tap ur toes and hum along...)......hmm hm hm hmmm hmm hm hm hmmmm........
...SEE - even Uncle Walt thought HO's were ok!! :neener:
.....the FOREVER thread eh!! :D
:rofl
Poor Disney rolling in his grave. :aok
(http://www.areavoices.com/astrobob/images/moon_formation.jpg)
"Fricken HO-Tard!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!"
Darn... TRUMPED again :aok
Shuff, move left INto the force field to get captured!!!!!! Successfully shoot the dude that has you captive and you get DOUBLE the gunships MAN!!!!
WOOooootttt :D
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Oh I get it, you can't fight :D
It's a waste of time with Yeager, he's an extremely timid pilot that rarely fights.
ack-ack
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he's an extremely timid pilot
Which begs the question: Why, then, would he E-risk his E-skin in an E-low-probability-of-survival E-contest?
Timid folks wouldn't bore straight into a cannon barrel, I should think.
Substitute whichever complicated explanation you wish; its a lack of confidence in one's ability. Nothing more.
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Oh I get it, you can't fight :D
If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will :neener:
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Timid folks wouldn't bore straight into a cannon barrel, I should think.
My whole point with the head on discussion is that it is a legitimate shot, not one that I strive for, but surely one that I need to be able to avoid as well as execute. Every conceivable shot that can penetrate the target is a legitimate shot. Saying that one particular aspect shot is somehow unsportsmanlike, illegal, immoral or illegitimate, opens up a slippery slope to all others.
At its core, the AH combat fighter part of the game is a guns game, pure and simple. All shots are legit with three goals as far as Im concerned. Kill, survive, and have fun while doing it. That is my take on it and thats why I pay my subscription. Timid? sure, why not :x
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...is that it is a legitimate shot...
The legitimacy of the shot isn't really the question. Jumping a single target with overwhelming odds is "legitimate". It is also dweebish......and that is the point that most of the Ho-shot detractors are trying to make.
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SIX-shooters should be banned!!! Shows a lack of Sportsmanship - absolutely NO honour in people who shoot you in the back!!!
Just because they are good at SNEAKING up on you when you are not looking shows how WEAK they are in their confidence to FACE you down. Shows how unskilled they are at getting in front of you - pulling the easy "Turn 'n Burn play for beginners" into an art.
YEP - back shootin SIX-shooters should be BANNED!! Absolutely little or no SKILL required to be a circle-fighter!!! :devil
<puts on asbestos underwear and heading for the fall-out shelter> heheheheheh :neener:
....and the FOREVER Thread continues!
..cheers eh!! :D
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SIX-shooters should be banned!!! Shows a lack of Sportsmanship - absolutely NO honour in people who shoot you in the back!!!
Just because they are good at SNEAKING up on you when you are not looking shows how WEAK they are in their confidence to FACE you down. Shows how unskilled they are at getting in front of you - pulling the easy "Turn 'n Burn play for beginners" into an art.
YEP - back shootin SIX-shooters should be BANNED!! Absolutely little or no SKILL required to be a circle-fighter!!! :devil
<puts on asbestos underwear and heading for the fall-out shelter> heheheheheh :neener:
....and the FOREVER Thread continues!
..cheers eh!! :D
"HO is a HO is a HO!!", obviously you're a Hoer
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I realise this won't change a thing. It is human nature to stick with what was said even when proven wrong. Books have been written about it, some of the greatest minds have great quotes out there saying this. This post will mostly be a waste of my time, I realise that.
I play this game for fun, like most everyone else here. Yes, fun will be different for everyone. For me, I like a challenge, I like to learn, I like to improve. Nothing in this game is more frustrating than to fly 5-10 minutes, finding action, just to get HOd. It's not the K/D loss, it's the wasted time. It's like searching for a deliciouse brownie, taking a bite, and finding out it's a dog turd. It tastes bad (I assume) and I wasted my time doing it.
Imagine a game of chess, a great, strategic game to get good at using knowledge, adaptability, planning, many great skills. Say there was one move that the first player could do which immediately creates a win or draw. The second player can also make this move, but both can only do it on the initial move. Wouldn't it be super pathetic to take such a great challenge and throw it away with that move? The person doing it shows their weak, immature, primitive lack of charactor while losing a great chance to challenge themselves and get better at something.
There are many types, but a major division will be those who play to learn and improve, and those who play only to get kills, only to "win". To me, those guys ALWAYS lose, in multiple ways. Not just in the game, but also in life.
For those who only play to win, they could possibly have more fun joining the special olympics.
For those who like to aim straight at a merging opponent and shoot them down, maybe they could set up their joystick to work as a mouse, and go around their desktop double clicking icons.
To play just to put that circle on another object relatively stationary to your plane of motion is very pathetic.
A 2 year old can do these things. Go get a fisher price toy with red buttons and use your hand eye coordination to push it.
That's how much skill it takes to HO. I could teach my 5 year old neice to HO, and that is not an exageration.
It indicates weakness, and a need to feel good at something because in general they have few life skills and a low self esteem. They are unguided and probably aren't good at setting self improving goals in life.
What is a HO?
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The definition will differ with some, for me, this is a HO:
Flying at the frontal quadrant of another plane, and during or before the initial merge, taking the shot.
That includes flying head on but at say 100m offset, only to make high deflection immediately to shoot their side.
It includes shooting at someone who COULD (but doesn't necessarily) shoot at you but is choosing to take a non collision course to create a merge.
Mainly it is flying in with the intent to shoot someone flying in general toward the HOr(their velocity in relation to HOr current location), who knows you're there, and is setting up a merge, and yet the HOr intends to take that shot regardless of what the merger does.
The main thing, is you can HO while not being exactly crosshair to crosshair. You can HO someone who doesn't HO you.
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There are some situations where it's just gunna happen.
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Say you have an enemy 1.5 to 2 back, they are faster, you have to turn into them. Just about the time you're done turning around is around the time to decide to shoot. Normally I'd prefer not to shoot, but in this situation, whether I'm the chaser or the guy turning around, I'll tend to take the shot knowing the other guy will shoot 90% of the time. As far as I'm concerned once a guy is that close behind you, jockeying for position has already occured. Either way this is bound to happen.
It's a gangbang, of course the outnumbered guy will HO most often.
I also always HO bombers when I'm in a fighter.
A high con over my field has huge E advantage over me, I will often find myself in a situation where I have to turn up at him while he dives at me, and I will HO if I think they're gunna shoot.
I will HO a guy after something strategic. If a JUG is making a run on the CV I will HO so he doesn't take it down. I will HO someone trying to pork my base.
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But I won't HO a fighter on fighter dogfight situation. It's below people mature enough to learn self respect.
A HO isn't so much a head on, as a derogatory term for someone who takes the easy way out, and tries to avoid the fight, in the form of shooting on the intial merge from the frontal quardrant of the enemy.
I understand they need the "kill" to feel adequate, but it's dissapointing that I have to waste my time to find out the red icon was a juvenile that sucks at life.
It is classless to HO.
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The legitimacy of the shot isn't really the question. Jumping a single target with overwhelming odds is "legitimate". It is also dweebish......and that is the point that most of the Ho-shot detractors are trying to make.
Then is it not also dweebish and timid to fly around and shoot down scores of n00bs and clueless pilots in the first place?
Under the same line of reasoning these so-called "HO-shot detractors" are making, the only non-dweebish act would be to actively seek out pilots of roughly similar skill level as themselves, and only fight them - instead of clubbing baby seals and preaching "ACM" or "BFM" or whatever abbreviations used to hide their dweebery.
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Then is it not also dweebish and timid to fly around and shoot down scores of n00bs and clueless pilots in the first place?
Under the same line of reasoning these so-called "HO-shot detractors" are making, the only non-dweebish act would be to actively seek out pilots of roughly similar skill level as themselves, and only fight them - instead of clubbing baby seals and preaching "ACM" or "BFM" or whatever abbreviations used to hide their dweebery.
The red icons don't say "noob" or "clueless" last I checked. The faceshot does though. :D
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Reasons why HOs should be used....
1. They did it in real life.....(this is a game)
2. Its needed to survive and have fun.....(I don't HO at all and have plenty of fun AND survive, so do many others)
The reason why you argue for HOs is either A.You suck and its the second of two ways for you to get a kill(the other is an AFK plane) or B.Your timid and if you cant get someone BnZing from a perch, you take the easy HO shot instead of fighting straight up(this is what I think Yeager is).
The fact is all those for HOs are just ignorant when it comes to fighting someone so they use basic instincts
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God these ANTI-HO folks make it SO easy to pull their chains - I LOVE IT!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
Bottom line is who the hell cares how you play the game as long as you have fun - since it IS just a game it makes NO difference if you HO or not - you get a free plane anytime you want. Or you can easily avoid the HO. Lots of times I do avoid - lots of times I don't avoid. You don't see ME whining about it.
BUT I do love seeing these guys up get all wound up over it - it's like lil 'ol god came along and placed in their pearly angelic hands the "keys" to the game....AND only they are the KEEPERS OF THE HOLY WAY!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :devil
THIS whole subject is funnier than SNL!! :x
some of these people really need to take a reality check or as the greatest of all star captains said "Get a LIFE"!!!! :neener:
...and the FOREVER Thread saga continues eh! :D
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God these ANTI-HO folks make it SO easy to pull their chains - I LOVE IT!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
Bottom line is who the hell cares how you play the game as long as you have fun - since it IS just a game it makes NO difference if you HO or not - you get a free plane anytime you want. Or you can easily avoid the HO. Lots of times I do avoid - lots of times I don't avoid. You don't see ME whining about it.
BUT I do love seeing these guys up get all wound up over it - it's like lil 'ol god came along and placed in their pearly angelic hands the "keys" to the game....AND only they are the KEEPERS OF THE HOLY WAY!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :devil
THIS whole subject is funnier than SNL!! :x
some of these people really need to take a reality check or as the greatest of all star captains said "Get a LIFE"!!!! :neener:
...and the FOREVER Thread saga continues eh! :D
I think I speak for alot of the people on the "anti-ho" side that we actually like to have a challenge when playing a game.....btw you havnt pulled any chains yet
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btw you havnt pulled any chains yet
LOL - Your very post and 6 pages here so far and about 1200 pages in past threads says YOU'RE wrong!!! :neener:
....and the FOREVER Thread rolls on and on and on........eh! :D
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LOL - Your very post and 6 pages here so far and about 1200 pages in past threads says YOU'RE wrong!!! :neener:
....and the FOREVER Thread rolls on and on and on........eh! :D
Sure has been an increase of dillusional people lately :confused:
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Sure has been an increase of dillusional people lately :confused:
LOL - yep - hard to figure how they could be so wrong about something - they have just as much chance of changing HO's as they do in suggesting teenagers refrain from sex!! - it just ain't gonna happen dude.
They need to get over it and move on...in the mean time it is immensely amusing.
....and the FOREVER Thread.....well it IS good the Universe keeps expanding to make room eh!! :D
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LOL - yep - hard to figure how they could be so wrong about something - they have just as much chance of changing HO's as they do in suggesting teenagers refrain from sex!! - it just ain't gonna happen dude.
They need to get over it and move on...in the mean time it is immensely amusing.
....and the FOREVER Thread.....well it IS good the Universe keeps expanding to make room eh!! :D
HO away, it just makes it that much easier for me to kill ya :lol
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HO away, it just makes it that much easier for me to kill ya :lol
heheh - I'd say something rude to ya but last time I did that to someone - "Steve" - the very next day he handed me my asX - the "silence" from me was DEAFENING!! heheh
Safe skies - I'll try not to be TOO easy for ya!!
...cheers eh! :D
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Seems odd that people see 'HO's as a useless, lame, and easily countered tactic. And yet,,, whine so vociferously against it at every opportunity.
I seem to recall some Shakespeare line about a lady protesting too much,,
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I've been Ho'd so many times I'm now at the point of doing this..... I see him at 3k heading straight for me then at 2 - 1.5 k ill break hard either left, right, up, or down, IF he puts his nose on me, then i can bet you I'm going to line up and HO you right back and laugh about it, This is a game and theres so many ways of playing it, SOooooo ill just have fun playing the Game, try to HO me ill return the favor
Very seldom i will find a pilot that will Merge and i find that very refreshing and shows the class of the Pilot :cheers:
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I've been Ho'd so many times I'm now at the point of doing this..... I see him at 3k heading straight for me then at 2 - 1.5 k ill break hard either left, right, up, or down, IF he puts his nose on me, then i can bet you I'm going to line up and HO you right back and laugh about it, This is a game and theres so many ways of playing it, SOooooo ill just have fun playing the Game, try to HO me ill return the favor
Very seldom i will find a pilot that will Merge and i find that very refreshing and shows the class of the Pilot :cheers:
See this is the wrong attitude shared by many that dont understand that the game gets better when you start using ACM to kill someone instead of HOing, ganging, toolshedding...all forms of sweetheartbaggery. If you HO your in the same category as that numbers dude shooting at a plane from 1.5k away, its retarded. More rewards come from getting better at fighting then wasting an opportunity to get better in a fight by just going for the HO.
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No its an Attitude of TRYING to have a good time in a Dogfight, you know what that is? equal merge... not guns blazing at 1.5 k out, Pray and Spray going for the HO... i like a good dogfight, hard to do that when its a 30/70 chance of NOT being HO'd, one night i upped, just about 5k out from the base heading to the enemy base with a Hvy Jabbo, 5 P51's were incoming and all of them tried a HO shot on the way into the base had to dodge them like crazy. <<<< Thats my point right there Try a HO and it will be returned. do i get mad that i get HO'd now? nope, more to this game.
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Seems odd that people see 'HO's as a useless, lame, and easily countered tactic. And yet,,, whine so vociferously against it at every opportunity.
I seem to recall some Shakespeare line about a lady protesting too much,,
Good point.
What also seems odd to me is that many of those who've shown face in this thread preaching anti-HOism, for some strange reason, voraciously object to any suggestions in the Wishlist boards that may effect gameplay or strats in someway that might limit their "freedom to fly whereever they want, whenever they want, in whatever they want."
Apparently, it seems their sense of "freedom" obviously doesn't apply to people who don't fly the way he thinks should be flying.
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Good point.
What also seems odd to me is that many of those who've shown face in this thread preaching anti-HOism, for some strange reason, voraciously object to any suggestions in the Wishlist boards that may effect gameplay or strats in someway that might limit their "freedom to fly whereever they want, whenever they want, in whatever they want."
Apparently, it seems their sense of "freedom" obviously doesn't apply to people who don't fly the way he thinks should be flying.
So many times HOing has been discussed and so many still miss the point.
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Looks like a pixel game alright. :lol
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So many times HOing has been discussed and so many still miss the point.
Lol brother, you aint just kdding there :t
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So many times HOing has been discussed and so many still miss the point.
Ya Yaeger - as you see above - doesn't matter how many times you try to explain it to em - THEY just don't have a clue. Their cartoon positon on HO, while perhaps being well intentioned, is just presented so insultingly - it is sort of sad. While initially I did give a bit of thought to their cartoon complaints - the repeated insults and degrading comments about people who do not play the game THEIR way has totally turned me off from them.
BESIDES - it's ALL cartoon - none of their circle-fight demands are any more realistic than anything else - NONE of this is real so none of it matters except that you should be having fun!!
MY fun may be different than theirs - let em go to the DA and play in the mud - I'll play my way and no one has the right to demand I, or anyone else, must play their way.
Must be the HIGH altitude air in their living room has gone to their heads!! :lol
...and the FOREVER HO thread goes round 'n round eh! :D
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Yep. Shufflers comment was entirely ironic coming from him. I do appreciate the overall complaints about new people to the game not knowing how to play, or about people not giving a rats bellybutton and/or exploiting the collision model (intentional ramming). But for me it is this constant whining that head on shots are immoral to attempt, even a snapshot, anywhere on the front quarter, and that two planes in the head on merge should "hold fire". Take your rules to the DA and go play. These are the same people that support coding an invincibility bubble around the nose of all airplanes. Getting HTC to do this would destroy the simulation aspect of this game completely, in its entirety. That is exactly what they want. Dumbing the game down to their base level ability to comprehend. If will fight against it as best I can.
Im not digging in on you Shuff, your a damned good P38 player in game......its just that on this subject you are an easy target :rock
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Ok clue me in...how is getting shot in the front of the head different from getting shot in the back of the head? Other than the open casket question, in which case any head shot is likely to close the lid?
MAJOR clues...the odds, and tactics.
Sure, Boelke's Dicta preached about using many types of advantages (coming in with the sun at your back, ie.) to gain any advantage to get behind your prey for the kill shot(s)...the shot where the enemy is most vulnerable and you are least vulnerable. The highest odds of getting the kill and not getting killed are based on those tactics. If you read Manfred von Richthofen's "Der Rot Kampf Flieger" ("The Red Battle Flier"), you will see that his Mentor, Boelke, and later von Richthofen, as a squadron leader kept as close an eye on their pilots (especially rookie pilots) as well as fighting their own battles to see if they were following the teachings of the dicta...and who was getting killed by not. The odds, however, were far less in surviving a head-on vs head-on attack, as von Richthofen found out personally.
A dogfight is much like gambling. Depending on the game (aircraft), how much each person (pilot) is educated at the game (dogfighting experience), being aware of what is going on at the table (Situational Awareness), how experienced a gambler is at playing that game (pilot training)--you can come up with odds on just how risky a bet (tactical maneuver) actually is. All of Boelka's Dicta (and his later surviving commanders teachings) was an attempt to stack all available odds in their favor--as well as avoiding very high risk moves.
He also understood that the head-on was at times completely unavoidable as both an offensive and defensive move once the attack was underway as well as if one finds one self having to fight multiple attackers simultaneously. This was not so much expressed in print by von Richthofen--but more by the surviving pilots accounts after the war. Hermann Goering inherited von Richthofen's Jasta after his death and until the end of the war. von Richthoffen confided much in his brother Lothar as well as his adjutant Karl Bodenschatz.
ROX
PS--During WWII, US and Japanese pilots routinely used the HO. The US pilots believed that their planes with multiple .50 cals would give them an advantage, and the Japanese believed their 20mm's cannons gave them the advantage. In the present day, even though missle technology has taken old fashioned "dogfighting" aout of much of the equasion, they are still taught Boelke's Dicta in the classroom.
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MAJOR clues...the odds, and tactics.
PS--During WWII, US and Japanese pilots routinely used the HO. The US pilots believed that their planes with multiple .50 cals would give them an advantage, and the Japanese believed their 20mm's gave them the advantage. In the present day, even though missle technology has taken old fashioned "dogfighting" aout of much of the equasion, they are still taught Boelke's Dicta in the classroom.
Good post. Well written and expressed. The point I was trying to get to as in "clue me in" was that after the fact, after the bullet has entered your head and killed you, it simply does not matter WHERE that bullet came from. Tactics and strategy play their role in deciding how you are put in a position to kill or be killed, not some stoopid childish AH dicta that planes should NOT fire during a particular moment in any engagement.
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Good post. Well written and expressed. The point I was trying to get to as in "clue me in" was that after the fact, after the bullet has entered your head and killed you, it simply does not matter WHERE that bullet came from. Tactics and strategy play their role in deciding how you are put in a position to kill or be killed, not some stoopid childish AH dicta that planes should NOT fire during a particular moment in any engagement.
Thank you sir and a big <<<<<S>>>>>.
You are correct, after a rifled .303 or Spandau fired bullet entered a pilot's head (except at the glancing skull shot that von Richthofen suffered--and almost killed him as well from blacking out while attempting to land) the game is over and get ready to be in a box.
I haven't read most of the game related posts about the HO in this thread (I only passed on the historical side on the subject) because the debate on the HO has been beaten into the dust in scads of past threads.
All I can pass on is what I tell my squaddies:
A) Have the Situational Awareness to not get into the position of being HO'ed in the first place.
B) There is a simple maneuver to not only avoid the HO, but to get a decent shot on the enemy attempting the HO--AND take away his HO firing solution in the same maneuver. We work on this maneuver two to three squad nights a year in the DA as well as share films.
C) There are times the using the HO is absolutely unavoidable in a fight, especially when fighting multiple enemy silmultaneously, but realize the statistical odds are not in your favor.
D) The players out there who are one-trick-ponys and the HO is all they know--realize that on the first pass---and use the other tactics available in your mental experience to turn their HO-addiction against them. One squaddie takes HO addicts to the deck and dispatches them pretty quickly in his Brewster Buffalo.
Anyone complaining about the HO because they keep getting HO'ed and killed, need to work on their tactics and maneuvers. If they don't they will continue to be the easy kill for the HO addicts.
ROX
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Ya Yaeger - as you see above - doesn't matter how many times you try to explain it to em - THEY just don't have a clue. Their cartoon positon on HO, while perhaps being well intentioned, is just presented so insultingly - it is sort of sad. While initially I did give a bit of thought to their cartoon complaints - the repeated insults and degrading comments about people who do not play the game THEIR way has totally turned me off from them.
BESIDES - it's ALL cartoon - none of their circle-fight demands are any more realistic than anything else - NONE of this is real so none of it matters except that you should be having fun!!
MY fun may be different than theirs - let em go to the DA and play in the mud - I'll play my way and no one has the right to demand I, or anyone else, must play their way.
Must be the HIGH altitude air in their living room has gone to their heads!! :lol
...and the FOREVER HO thread goes round 'n round eh! :D
Misses the point of a COMBAT sim.
Yep. Shufflers comment was entirely ironic coming from him. I do appreciate the overall complaints about new people to the game not knowing how to play, or about people not giving a rats bellybutton and/or exploiting the collision model (intentional ramming). But for me it is this constant whining that head on shots are immoral to attempt, even a snapshot, anywhere on the front quarter, and that two planes in the head on merge should "hold fire". Take your rules to the DA and go play. These are the same people that support coding an invincibility bubble around the nose of all airplanes. Getting HTC to do this would destroy the simulation aspect of this game completely, in its entirety. That is exactly what they want. Dumbing the game down to their base level ability to comprehend. If will fight against it as best I can.
Im not digging in on you Shuff, your a damned good P38 player in game......its just that on this subject you are an easy target :rock
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Will probably never understand a COMBAT flight sim GAME
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Ya kin lead donkeys to a FACT - ya just cn't make em think eh!!! :D
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Will probably never understand a COMBAT flight sim GAME
hmm.....
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