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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Mustang T on November 28, 2009, 08:27:33 PM
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D4Y3_pulling_up.jpg) I thought we could use this as antother Japanese plane because personaly, I think we could use a little more. And it's over 70 mph faster than the D3A which is a good benifit. Just throwing out an idea.
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Oh my god sheesh here it ishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D4Y_Judy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D4Y_Judy)
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I gotta give this one a :aok. The B5N itself is a great joy ride when torpedo bombing, but make it faster, with forward firing guns, (add the Judy) I'm druling. I'd love to see it added.
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Absolutely!
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Would be great for FSO scenarios, snapshots etc.
+1 :aok
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<Waits for Sikboy>
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Judy, Judy, Judy.
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Juday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs2476Y8Y7I
Language
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Double thumbs up! :aok :aok
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Heres a picture or two- (http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Profiles/PTO_IJN_Aircraft_(Late_500s)-Dateien/Yokosuka%2520D4Y2%2520M.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/D4Y3_pulling_up.jpg/800px-D4Y3_pulling_up.jpg)
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I gotta give this one a :aok. The B5N itself is a great joy ride when torpedo bombing, but make it faster, with forward firing guns, (add the Judy) I'm druling. I'd love to see it added.
The Judy was a Dive Bomber. I'd like to see the B6N Jill Torpedo Bomber added as well although like the B5N you won't get the forward firing guns with it
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True, thats why I suggested the Judy. It would be nice if there was a Japanese Torpedo bomber that had Forward Fireing guns.
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When the D4Y prototype came out in 1938 it had shortened wings removing the need for folding wings on the carrier, the original power plant was to be a license built Daimler Benz 601A, the Aichi Atsuta was not available at the time, so a DB600 was installed. The DB600 produced 20% less horse power than was called for, even in trails it excelled in operations but a weakness in the wing root system made the first series of these a carrier based Recon plane, under the designation D4Y1-C. In march of 1938 the Model 11 came out and was put to fleet with reinforced wings and improved dive breaks. During 1944 the plane was easy prey for the allied aircraft, during the "Maraina Turkey shoot" due to the lack of armor for the pilot and the fact that the D4Y1 did not have self sealing fuel tanks. The later D4Y2 that followed had the same short comings, lack of armor, nonsealing fuel tanks, had an Aichi AE1P 32 in-line engine. The D4Y2a had improved weaponry, the 7.92 rear mounted machine gun, was replaced with a 13mm. The variant D4Y2a-C and D4Y2A KAI were modded for recon and Carrier Catapult launching. There was no effort put out to make the plane any less of vulnerable to allied fighters. In the Philippines they were shot out of the sky in mass. The D4Y3 had a more mechanic friendly, and reliable 1560hp Mitsubishi MK8P Kinsei radial engine. Again there was no effrot to install more armor, or self sealing fuel tanks. The several D4Y2s were outfit for Night fighting Armed with an an obliquely mounted 20mm cannon it saw marginal success as a night fighter against the B-29s. The final production version was a D4Y4 that carried a semi- recessed 1764lb bomb in the fuselage, and was single seat, its sole purpose was for Kamikaze attacks in the final days of the war. Due to the weaknesses that were never addressed in any production run, the 2038 planes that were built were never really able to press the fight to the allied targets. If the IJN Technical arsenal at Yokosuka had addressed the problem of the non self sealing fuel tanks and the lack of armor, from the beginning the D4Y Suisei(Judy) would have had a major impact on the war, other than just being Machine gun practice for the allied fighters. Yes it does meet the criteria for being put into game, but why when it was such a marginal contributor, and deathtrap to its pilots.
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When the D4Y prototype came out in 1938 it had shortened wings removing the need for folding wings on the carrier, the original power plant was to be a license built Daimler Benz 601A, the Aichi Atsuta was not available at the time, so a DB600 was installed. The DB600 produced 20% less horse power than was called for, even in trails it excelled in operations but a weakness in the wing root system made the first series of these a carrier based Recon plane, under the designation D4Y1-C. In march of 1938 the Model 11 came out and was put to fleet with reinforced wings and improved dive breaks. During 1944 the plane was easy prey for the allied aircraft, during the "Maraina Turkey shoot" due to the lack of armor for the pilot and the fact that the D4Y1 did not have self sealing fuel tanks. The later D4Y2 that followed had the same short comings, lack of armor, nonsealing fuel tanks, had an Aichi AE1P 32 in-line engine. The D4Y2a had improved weaponry, the 7.92 rear mounted machine gun, was replaced with a 13mm. The variant D4Y2a-C and D4Y2A KAI were modded for recon and Carrier Catapult launching. There was no effort put out to make the plane any less of vulnerable to allied fighters. In the Philippines they were shot out of the sky in mass. The D4Y3 had a more mechanic friendly, and reliable 1560hp Mitsubishi MK8P Kinsei radial engine. Again there was no effrot to install more armor, or self sealing fuel tanks. The several D4Y2s were outfit for Night fighting Armed with an an obliquely mounted 20mm cannon it saw marginal success as a night fighter against the B-29s. The final production version was a D4Y4 that carried a semi- recessed 1764lb bomb in the fuselage, and was single seat, its sole purpose was for Kamikaze attacks in the final days of the war. Due to the weaknesses that were never addressed in any production run, the 2038 planes that were built were never really able to press the fight to the allied targets. If the IJN Technical arsenal at Yokosuka had addressed the problem of the non self sealing fuel tanks and the lack of armor, from the beginning the D4Y Suisei(Judy) would have had a major impact on the war, other than just being Machine gun practice for the allied fighters. Yes it does meet the criteria for being put into game, but why when it was such a marginal contributor, and deathtrap to its pilots.
Hmmm because some people love the D3A and would like to see an improved version? Because it would be fun?
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The B-26 was nicknamed the widowmaker because of it's number of crashes but yet, it's in the game.
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The B-26 was nicknamed the widowmaker because of it's number of crashes but yet, it's in the game.
One of the things about flight sims like AH is that mechanical problems that plagued an aircraft aren't modeled, that's why planes that were notorious for their mechanical failures are in the game. For example, the engine troubles suffered by the early P-38 models (like the G we have in game) caused by inadequate cooling systems isn't modeled in game.
ack-ack
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Point taken, just pointing some things out about the plane.
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The reasons behind the widowmaker nickname for the B-26 were due to the difference flying qualities (high wingloading/stall speed/landing speed) compared to the most US bombers of the era, not due to mechanical failures. The obvious good side of this was the gain in speed and therefore very good survivability in combat.
EDIT/And BIG yes for Judy!!/EDIT
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Also it would help correct the imbalance between Japanese and allied Planeset's. Any scenario you care to try has the Allied side able to out bomb the axis 2 or 3 to 1. Allied fighters can carry more ord than the Axis bombers we have in game.
Judy would be a step in the right direction to correcting that.
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True, thats why I suggested the Judy. It would be nice if there was a Japanese Torpedo bomber that had Forward Fireing guns.
B7A2. Only 114 built though, and too late to operate off of carriers, they didn't have any left. It was supposed to be about as maneuverable as an A6M5.
Data from wikipedia, matches data from every other source I've seen:
B7A2 Ryusei 'Grace'
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/B7A-Ryusei_torpedo.jpg)
General characteristics
* Crew: 2
* Length: 11.49 m (37 ft 8.33 in)
* Wingspan: 14.40 m (47 ft 3 in)
* Height: 4.07 m (13 ft 4.5 in)
* Wing area: 35.40 m² (381 ft²)
* Empty weight: 3,810 kg (8,400 lb)
* Loaded weight: 5,625 kg (12,401 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 6,500 kg (14,330 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Nakajima NK9C Homare12 18-cylinder radial engine, 1,360 kW (1,825 hp)
Performance
* Maximum speed: 567 km/h (306 kn, 352 mph)
* Range: 3,038 km (1,888 mi)
* Service ceiling: 11,250 m (36,910 ft)
* Rate of climb: 9.6 m/s (1,889.8 ft/min)
Armament
* Guns:
o 2 × 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons in wings
o 1 × 7.92 mm (0.312 in) Type 1 or 13 mm (0.51 in) Type 2 machine gun in the rear cockpit
* Bombs:
o 800 kg (1,764 lb) of general ordnance or
o 1 × 800 kg (1,764 lb) torpedo
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Point taken, just pointing some things out about the plane.
That's irrelevant.
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Hmm thank for that info Ive heard of the Grace but didn't know it had Forward Fiering guns.
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Alrighty, so as it stands, the list contains of:
< D4Y Judy :cheers:
< B7A2 Grace :x
< B6N Jill :x
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+1 For this idea. :aok
While they're at it why not update the rest of the japenese planes?
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"One of the things about flight sims like AH is that mechanical problems that plagued an aircraft aren't modeled"
Sadly true. But not in IL-2, where engine mismanagement will drastically shorten your sorties - and the odd random engine failure has to be expected as well.
Ah yes, back to the matter in hand: I vote for the D4Y 'Judy' in both its inline- and radial-engined variants. And the B6N 'Jill'. And the J2M Raiden 'Jack', G4M 'Betty', Ki-21 'Sally', G3M 'Nell', A5M 'Claude', Ki-27 'Nate', Ki-43 'Oscar', Ki-46 'Dinah' . . .
<is dragged away by men in white coats>
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<is dragged away by men in white coats>
<After a brief but deciding punchup, Simba is brought back to a Cheering crowd and given a bouqet!>
Nothing wrong with those ideas :aok
+ to all requests
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B7A2. Only 114 built though, and too late to operate off of carriers, they didn't have any left. It was supposed to be about as maneuverable as an A6M5.
Data from wikipedia, matches data from every other source I've seen:
B7A2 Ryusei 'Grace'
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/B7A-Ryusei_torpedo.jpg)
General characteristics
* Crew: 2
* Length: 11.49 m (37 ft 8.33 in)
* Wingspan: 14.40 m (47 ft 3 in)
* Height: 4.07 m (13 ft 4.5 in)
* Wing area: 35.40 m² (381 ft²)
* Empty weight: 3,810 kg (8,400 lb)
* Loaded weight: 5,625 kg (12,401 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 6,500 kg (14,330 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Nakajima NK9C Homare12 18-cylinder radial engine, 1,360 kW (1,825 hp)
Performance
* Maximum speed: 567 km/h (306 kn, 352 mph)
* Range: 3,038 km (1,888 mi)
* Service ceiling: 11,250 m (36,910 ft)
* Rate of climb: 9.6 m/s (1,889.8 ft/min)
Armament
* Guns:
o 2 × 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons in wings
o 1 × 7.92 mm (0.312 in) Type 1 or 13 mm (0.51 in) Type 2 machine gun in the rear cockpit
* Bombs:
o 800 kg (1,764 lb) of general ordnance or
o 1 × 800 kg (1,764 lb) torpedo
This is a good idea for an addition Karnak. :aok
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Can it wait until we get the G4M Betty? The game could really use a Japanese twin engine bomber.
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Can it wait until we get the G4M Betty? The game could really use a Japanese twin engine bomber.
You mean an earlier Japanese twin engined bomber, as the Ki-67 we have is most certainly a twin engined Japanese bomber.
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Grace was probably used only for kamikaze suicide runs. It was a replacement for the B6N, which itself was also too late (the Japanese carriers being sunk) and the B6N Tenzan was used pretty much for suicide runs towards the end of the war. Well it's replacement can't have seen much action either.
I would doubt they ever dropped a torpedo in anger. :headscratch:
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Its a twin engine fighter, they just mounted the twenty millimeter on the wrong end.
:aok :D
Strip
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Grace was probably used only for kamikaze suicide runs. It was a replacement for the B6N, which itself was also too late (the Japanese carriers being sunk) and the B6N Tenzan was used pretty much for suicide runs towards the end of the war. Well it's replacement can't have seen much action either.
I would doubt they ever dropped a torpedo in anger. :headscratch:
You would be wrong too. You really have a massive chip on your shoulder regarding the Japanese. I don't know where you get this bias from, but it leads you to very faulty conclusions. The B7A2 did see operational use. The Japanese were not inclined to use their best aircraft as kamikazes. You have this nutty idea that nothing the Japanese built in the last year saw any service at all and they had no idea what to do with an airplane once it left the factory.
That said, it is a very low priority for AH.
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You're quite wrong, as a matter of fact, on my opinions of the Japanese aircraft. I have no such bias.
[EDIT: Your comments are obviously trying to throw my comments from the Ki84 thread in my face, but you fail because there's still no evidence they saw any action -- try again later]
It's a fact they used what they had for kamikaze attacks, and at the end of the war they had "superior" (compared to earlier) aircraft.
Even the "superior" B6N was used primarily for kamikaze attacks after.. what was it? Bougainville? After that there was little the Japanese could do. The B7N was a replacement for the B6N... Replaced it doing what?
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You're quite wrong, as a matter of fact, on my opinions of the Japanese aircraft. I have no such bias.
[EDIT: Your comments are obviously trying to throw my comments from the Ki84 thread in my face, but you fail because there's still no evidence they saw any action -- try again later]
It's a fact they used what they had for kamikaze attacks, and at the end of the war they had "superior" (compared to earlier) aircraft.
Even the "superior" B6N was used primarily for kamikaze attacks after.. what was it? Bougainville? After that there was little the Japanese could do. The B7N was a replacement for the B6N... Replaced it doing what?
The first time a B6N2 was used for kamikaze missions was during the Battle of Okinawa. The B6N1 was not used in kamikazi attacks when it debuted in the Battle of the Philippines but lack of air superiority doomed the B6N1's battle debut and suffered heavy losses at the hands of the USN fighters.
ack-ack
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That's pretty much what I read. They had a lot committed, and they lost most of them. What they had leftover were eventually used for suicide runs.
As for the B7A2...
Did a bit of checking. They only were in 2 places. So I was checking to see the dates they were there, might give clues to the action they saw.
Only 2 groups had them: 752nd and Yokosuka Kokutais.
The 752nd only received them after 1945 had started, from what I can gather on the Internet. Before that they flew Betties and other planes.
Yokosuka is an airbase in Japan. It mostly had Raidens and Georges and whatnot to try intercepting the B-29 raids. In 1945 if you were an attack bomber stationed on the Japanese homeland, you tell ME what the chances are that they saw non-kamikaze action?
I'd be interested to learn a bit about 752 Kokutai history, though, see if any of them saw action.
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Judy!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247129.0.html
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+1 for Judy, Grace and Jill :salute