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Title: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Mano on December 05, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
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The outsourcing is never gonna end.......if the big corporations want to save money......outsource the CEO's.....they're the ones making the dough.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_-aMVQWZI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_-aMVQWZI)


Every time I go thru a drive thru......they get my order wrong   :furious :furious
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Becinhu on December 05, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
While the clip is funny, there is truth to it.  I myself am a restaurant manager.  This is a current "big-ticket".  Most of the major fast-food operations are steering this direction because they say that by taking orders at a remote location orders will be more accurate and friendliness will be assured to the customer.  BS in my book, but I'm not the one making 7 figures a year either...................you do know this makes them better than you right?   :t :neener:
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: john9001 on December 05, 2009, 09:21:41 PM
i have never had a wrong order at a drive through, maybe i just speak slowly and clearly.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 05, 2009, 09:54:58 PM
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The outsourcing is never gonna end.......if the big corporations want to save money......outsource the CEO's.....they're the ones making the dough.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_-aMVQWZI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_-aMVQWZI)


Every time I go thru a drive thru......they get my order wrong   :furious :furious

i generally hit macdonalds on tuesday nights right by mcguire afb.

they never get my order wrong....and i like my burger with nothing on it. they have trouble grasping that though.........

 so i normally tell em a 1/4 pounder, plain. just a piece of meat between 2 pieces of roll.  :D
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Motherland on December 05, 2009, 09:56:16 PM
i generally hit macdonalds on tuesday nights right by mcguire afb.

they never get my order wrong....and i like my burger with nothing on it. they have trouble grasping that though.........

 so i normally tell em a 1/4 pounder, plain. just a piece of meat between 2 pieces of roll.  :D
No kidding, I hate cheese on my burgers. Biggest PITA ever to order.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: 68ZooM on December 05, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
it will end when all our jobs are gone, because they will all be overseas, win win for the Corporations  :mad:
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: AKKuya on December 05, 2009, 10:01:19 PM
I spent 8 years at Taco Bell with 5 as a manager.  I worked at over 12 stores across 5 states.

The best R&D project that they came up with back in the 90's was the automated food line with voice order system.  They built a prototype that cost millions of dollars with an automated roof inventory control system also.

This behemoth would replace all the humans in the store that make the food, take the orders, and cashier the orders.  The only store personnel was the store manager, store assistant manager, two shift managers, the computer tech/maintenace tech staff of 4 also.  Down the road, they planned to make the techs the managers to cut labor in half.

Here's how the system was designed to work.  Customer approaches the counter or drives up to the speaker in the drive-thru.  An automated message would be emitted from a speaker in the dining room or outside speaker prompting the customer to place an order.  The customer would voice the order and a software program in a computer bank would process the verbal order.  The customer would be given a total.  The automated food line which would be very complex would make the order according to the data received from the computer.  The meal when completed including being placed in wraps, boxes, and bags would be dispensed to the customer on a tray or through a tray slot in the wall for the drive thru.  The customer would pay for the meal by placing cash into a cash dispenser like a vending machine.  Change would be dispensed back.

Technology is there to make it happen.  The cost was over 5 million dollars for that system alone.

The automated inventory system in the roof was cheaper and more feasible in the future.  Most stores chose not to spend the 1 million dollar pricetage on that.  This was one system that all of us working there agreed would make our jobs easier.

The automated line system.  Another implementation of companies to reduce labor pools to save money on wages, benefits, vacations, retirement plans, stock bonuses.  Replace the human with the robot.  Ultimate outsoucing.

One day in the future this will happen.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Ruler2 on December 05, 2009, 10:03:31 PM
No kidding, I hate cheese on my burgers. Biggest PITA ever to order.


try the time we ordered some hamburgers with NO cheese at one place and make SURE they knew we said NO cheese and not MO cheese, even then we still got the cheese, and it just happened to be guess what, MO than usual,lol
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Belial on December 05, 2009, 10:10:27 PM
There are not many things that anger me more than this.  I dont mean at the drive through, I mean in every factory across the US.  In the past 2 years I have been working in and around food plants building conveyors and such.  Every food plant I have entered is filled with illegals. 



I am positive the factory's are "bringing" in the illegals.  The only people that are more than 2 year employees are the managers. 


I dont know how this has happened or how to fix it, but our country is in alot of trouble. 


Those jobs highschool grads use to get that paid 18$ an hour aren't available anymore.  They are being done by illegals!

The only thing I can say is make yourself valuable get an education.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: 68ZooM on December 05, 2009, 10:23:37 PM
Really getting a good education used to mean something,The job your going to college for just might not be there when your done in 4 years, theres alot of well educated people who cant find a job in there trained fields, period there gone, in my county alone the unemployed rate is 21% Statewide its like 16%, It's all about the Money
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Tac on December 05, 2009, 10:31:34 PM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Motherland on December 05, 2009, 10:37:39 PM
American workers are too expensive so don't hire them...
Just capitalism...
Work for less and you get your jobs back? Doesn't sound good :)
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Belial on December 05, 2009, 11:07:40 PM
American workers are too expensive so don't hire them...
Just capitalism...
Work for less and you get your jobs back? Doesn't sound good :)

You are correct and it's scary, people have an inflated veiw of worth.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 06, 2009, 01:29:54 AM
American workers are too expensive so don't hire them...
Just capitalism...
Work for less and you get your jobs back? Doesn't sound good :)

problem is that americans have to pay taxes out of their paychecks, and raise famileis........illegals don't. they are nothing but a strain on the system. they break the law every second of every day.

 i whole heartedly woulfd like to see them round each and every illegal up, and ship em back to where they came from. screw it if anyone complains.

 this is OUR country not theirs. WE make the rulse, not them.

prolly gonna get nuked for this post, but the illegal watermelon just pisses me off like you all cannot possibly imagine.  :mad: :mad: :mad: :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 06, 2009, 01:41:01 AM
Never.   
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Motherland on December 06, 2009, 02:10:17 AM
problem is that americans have to pay taxes out of their paychecks, and raise famileis........illegals don't. they are nothing but a strain on the system. they break the law every second of every day.
Outsourced workers in India and China have to pay income taxes as well...

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i whole heartedly woulfd like to see them round each and every illegal up, and ship em back to where they came from. screw it if anyone complains.

 this is OUR country not theirs. WE make the rulse, not them.
I would agree...
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: AWwrgwy on December 06, 2009, 02:14:43 AM


 


Those jobs highschool grads use to get that paid 18$ an hour aren't available anymore.  They are being done by illegals!


 :rofl

Of what jobs do you speak of?


wrongway
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Spikes on December 06, 2009, 02:19:39 AM
No kidding, I hate cheese on my burgers. Biggest PITA ever to order.
Same here.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Belial on December 06, 2009, 08:36:54 AM
:rofl

Of what jobs do you speak of?


wrongway

Well speaking in my field of work....the small businesses for welders and fabricators are out of business.  The people they did work for want stuff done for pennies because they can get illegals to make it.  Next time your to a factory that employs 1,000 people look around and do a head count, those use to be done by people my ages parents.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: AKKuya on December 06, 2009, 09:00:38 AM
The biggest reason factories hire non-Americans is that they don't complain about the unsafe working conditions, long hours, low pay, and 7 day work weeks.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: allaire on December 07, 2009, 11:24:27 PM
The meat processing I guard has a sign up at the front office and on a bulletin board that says "We do not hire illegals."  Which is funny in that I know that there have some illegals working there by proxy.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 08, 2009, 07:55:43 AM
The meat processing I guard has a sign up at the front office and on a bulletin board that says "We do not hire illegals."  Which is funny in that I know that there have some illegals working there by proxy.


they probably have to post tht sign.


there's at least 2 dozen illegals working for 2 or the local alndscapers here in my area.

 a pizza joint i used to like....had great pizza, when the owner, his wife, and brother worked the place. he got busy, and hired mexicans. illegal ones.
 the quality of the food went down the crapper. i stopped going. as did others. he went under.

illegals will be the death of this country.

 that said, i have absolutely no problem with immigrants coming here......LEGALLY
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: DrDea on December 08, 2009, 08:09:05 AM
a pizza joint i used to like....had great pizza, when the owner, his wife, and brother worked the place. he got busy, and hired mexicans. illegal ones.
 the quality of the food went down the crapper. i stopped going. as did others. he went under.
illegals will be the death of this country.
  No.People HIREING illegals will be.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 08, 2009, 08:11:36 AM
  No.People HIREING illegals will be.

good point.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: MORAY37 on December 08, 2009, 12:38:57 PM



illegals will be the death of this country.


So, it's not the business owner's fault?  For hiring cheaper labor over more expensive labor that delivers a higher quality product?

Blaming illegals is myopic.  Our own profit driven greed is the problem, not a group of people trying to make a better life for themselves however they can.  Even poverty here is better than lower class in the countries most illegals come from.  

Constantly blaming the people that have the least for our problems is stupid.  At some point, you have to look inward.  Without people giving them jobs, there wouldn't be an issue.

Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 08, 2009, 01:25:11 PM
So, it's not the business owner's fault?  For hiring cheaper labor over more expensive labor that delivers a higher quality product?

Blaming illegals is myopic.  Our own profit driven greed is the problem, not a group of people trying to make a better life for themselves however they can.  Even poverty here is better than lower class where most illegals come from. 

Constantly blaming the people that have the least for our problems is stupid.  At some point, you have to look inward.  Without people giving them jobs, there wouldn't be an issue.



i run my own repair shop.

 i can pretty much guarantee ya that there is not an illegal in nj that'll do the job i'd need done with decent quality, for less than i'd pay a legal resident.

 that being said, you get what you pay for. i would NEVER even remotely consider hiring an illegal. and, yes, i think that there should be no fines for hiring them. only jail time. it won't take long with that in place before they can't get work....assuming it is enforced.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: MORAY37 on December 08, 2009, 03:23:27 PM
i run my own repair shop.

 i can pretty much guarantee ya that there is not an illegal in nj that'll do the job i'd need done with decent quality, for less than i'd pay a legal resident.

 that being said, you get what you pay for. i would NEVER even remotely consider hiring an illegal. and, yes, i think that there should be no fines for hiring them. only jail time. it won't take long with that in place before they can't get work....assuming it is enforced.

Agreed, to a point.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: Ruler2 on December 08, 2009, 10:29:49 PM
i yes, i think that there should be no fines for hiring them. only jail time. it won't take long with that in place before they can't get work....assuming it is enforced.


You're absolutely right! What's a couple thousand or million dollars to a big company like GM or ConAgra Foods, ya know?
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 09, 2009, 01:23:26 AM

You're absolutely right! What's a couple thousand or million dollars to a big company like GM or ConAgra Foods, ya know?

i don't know if you're being sarcastic or serious.............but illegals need to go. come in legally, and they'll be welcomed with open arms.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: allaire on December 09, 2009, 04:08:07 AM
And some overlook that most illegals send a good chunk of their money back to their family in where ever they come from.  I over heard some of them saying that they were getting ready to head back to mexico cause they had a good amount of money and that the economy isn't getting any better.  Kinda funny when some illegals are bailing like rats off a sinking ship.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: MiloMorai on December 09, 2009, 06:17:57 AM
And some overlook that most illegals send a good chunk of their money back to their family in where ever they come from.  I over heard some of them saying that they were getting ready to head back to mexico cause they had a good amount of money and that the economy isn't getting any better.  Kinda funny when some illegals are bailing like rats off a sinking ship.

Legals send money back home as well.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 09, 2009, 07:59:39 AM
And some overlook that most illegals send a good chunk of their money back to their family in where ever they come from.  I over heard some of them saying that they were getting ready to head back to mexico cause they had a good amount of money and that the economy isn't getting any better.  Kinda funny when some illegals are bailing like rats off a sinking ship.


here's another one.

 the indians that pump gas at the station where my shop is. the afternoon guy was 20 years in the indian army. he did/does have a pension. i think he said it's the equilivent of about $300.00 a month. i think he's only making 7.50 or 8.00 an hour here(he wouldn't/couldn't answer me........anyway, he sends the majority back to india to his family. what he makes here is over 2x what he can get a job doing over there.

he's not illegal, although he is only on a temp. work visa.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: John Curnutte on December 09, 2009, 08:56:49 PM
 Having lived in Mexico for a while I learned some things , if some person gets a job here at a plant or shop he will call home and tell everyone he knows about his job . Then from his pueblo they begin to come north and one at a time they will work themselves in to that place . At that point these folks call home and so on and so on . At many plants and facilitys across the U.S. if you asked from where all of these folks came from you would find they are almost all from a certian area and the first guy brought it all on . Now having seen many very poor places in Mexico and lived among them for four years I feel for them and understand . However I also know what happens to Americans living abroad and the rules they must follow . I have seen my own countrymen disrespected , taken advantage of and humiliated badly . So we should do what is fair and take care of our own first and foremost for jobs and training / education . Everyone else can come after IMHO.

                                          Nutte :salute
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: allaire on December 10, 2009, 07:51:48 PM
Legals send money back home as well.

here's another one.

 the indians that pump gas at the station where my shop is. the afternoon guy was 20 years in the indian army. he did/does have a pension. i think he said it's the equilivent of about $300.00 a month. i think he's only making 7.50 or 8.00 an hour here(he wouldn't/couldn't answer me........anyway, he sends the majority back to india to his family. what he makes here is over 2x what he can get a job doing over there.

he's not illegal, although he is only on a temp. work visa.

I have absolutely no problems with the ones that are here legally sending funds back home, since most of them have paid tax on it.
Title: Re: When is the outsourcing gonna end?
Post by: CAP1 on December 10, 2009, 09:01:23 PM
I have absolutely no problems with the ones that are here legally sending funds back home, since most of them have paid tax on it.

me either.

my point was how great this country is(even with all of the faults we have, i still cannot think of another place in the world i'd want to live.) :aok