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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: rshubert on December 11, 2009, 08:51:51 AM
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I'll admit it. We (the Birds of Prey) have used NOE 110 raids to effectively grab enemy fields for the last couple of years, a LOT. It's fun. It worked. It took "the enemy" by surprise.
But these days not so much. People have learned how to respond. It only takes one alert guy to notice the base/town flashing, and the mission is a death ride. Hundreds and thousands (ok, maybe a few only) of angry bees launch from the base, kill the 110s, find the goon, and end it. Wirbles and ostis up and surround the vehicle hangar, then speed out to the town. It's a nightmare. OH THE HUMANITY!
So now we're going to have to go back to more sophisticated tactics. You are warned.
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shubie
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It is not the death of NOE I want to see. It is the death of the overkill NOE I want to see. No more 40 plane NOE missions! :aok
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I always thought they were fun. Flying with a good bunch is always fun.
Course there are those who dont think much of them. Until "the crowd" thinks much of them. Then they will think much of them.
Defending against them are even more fun cause you know they are coming and 110s are pretty easy to shoot down. There are several reasons why I dont fly them anymore. First off I get tired of the same few guys meeting us at the same place in the route, in the same Typhie, at the same Alt "2,000'", in the same area of the map where nothing is happening. :headscratch:
Mostly tho I'm tired of flying 110s NOE. That and Ive lost interest in flying groups with 10 different country sets included. I love looking at film and stills of actual history correct skins and planes flying in historically correct manner. You dont need to mix 110s, Nikis, P-51s, Spits, 205s when the correct country sets are so effective and awsome to behold.
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It is not the death of NOE I want to see. It is the death of the overkill NOE I want to see. No more 40 plane NOE missions! :aok
Sure could of fooled me by your NOE wall of shame post, i guess you seem to feel the need to only want people to play it your way, which way is that?? Furball? GV? take bases?? whats your style? enlighten us as to the proper game play, heaven forbid anyone plays the game how THEY want to, its funny how you cry NOE, its no surprise mission, once you break the dar bar everything starts flashing anyway, So whats your problem?? not knowing how many are attacking your base, lol do you want an invitation with pilot numbers to the base Attacks so you can be ready? 40 plane NOE missions lol thats funny right there, would you cry if 40 planes were at 30K saying "Death to Alt BOMBERS it takes to long to climb to them" you want furball there is a DA
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Sure could of fooled me by your NOE wall of shame post, i guess you seem to feel the need to only want people to play it your way, which way is that?? Furball? GV? take bases?? whats your style? enlighten us as to the proper game play, heaven forbid anyone plays the game how THEY want to, its funny how you cry NOE, its no surprise mission, once you break the dar bar everything starts flashing anyway, So whats your problem?? not knowing how many are attacking your base, lol do you want an invitation with pilot numbers to the base Attacks so you can be ready? 40 plane NOE missions lol thats funny right there, would you cry if 40 planes were at 30K saying "Death to Alt BOMBERS it takes to long to climb to them" you want furball there is a DA
I have always had much respect for the 68's and have gladly fought alongside of them mutiple times, but I admit that you are new to me. So I will take it easy on ya. It is not about my way of playing. It is about what causes this game to thrive and what drives people away. Simply put, if there is no combat, there is no fun. 40+ pilots smashing down town and hangars in just a few minutes leaves no room for combat. It is avoidance of engagement with unfriendly cons that irks me. By all means Sir play your way, but I do not see the behaviors you are defending as part of the normal activities of the 68th. Just questioning where you are coming from here Zoom.
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I'd actually like to see some variety in the mission format, seems like every mission that's posted as the same aircraft in it over and over again (this coming from a die-hard 38/39 pile-it I know, I know). If someone posted a mission with some actual historical matches, or dare I say some mid or early war birds I would probably join them from time to time. If you're going to go NOE why not grab B-25C's with the strafer/gun packages and post some P-38G's, P-40E's, or P-39D/Q's for escort? Get something going with a little flair or historical feel.
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I'd actually like to see some variety in the mission format, seems like every mission that's posted as the same aircraft in it over and over again (this coming from a die-hard 38/39 pile-it I know, I know). If someone posted a mission with some actual historical matches, or dare I say some mid or early war birds I would probably join them from time to time. If you're going to go NOE why not grab B-25C's with the strafer/gun packages and post some P-38G's, P-40E's, or P-39D/Q's for escort? Get something going with a little flair or historical feel.
Nailed it right on the head. I rarely ever join a 110 raid. Its generic and lacks flavor. Mix it up some, like what Soulyss mentioned, or better yet, try missions that are NOT noe. Altitude works just as effectively as noe if you know what youre doing.
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I think HTC should redesign the mission interface... Instead of making us click the 'Mission' button, they should list all of the current, open country missions on a tower chalkboard... That way, every one'd see them and they'd be more more of a normal, integrated, 'concentrated-firepower' kind of thing to do. As it stands, missions are so infrequent that no-one ever has a reason to check the mission list, and mission makers practically have to scream it across the country channel to get anyone to join.
To get even crazier, how about adding automated, regularly scheduled missions with varying plane-types and objectives (CAP,CAS,etc) to the mission board? It'd sort of be like combining the scrapped Combat Theater or whatever that HTC was working on into the main arenas. :O
edit. Just add a positive perk point modifier based on the mission's success to convince people to join... That's teamwork, Kyle! :rock
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I have always had much respect for the 68's and have gladly fought alongside of them mutiple times, but I admit that you are new to me. So I will take it easy on ya. It is not about my way of playing. It is about what causes this game to thrive and what drives people away. Simply put, if there is no combat, there is no fun. 40+ pilots smashing down town and hangars in just a few minutes leaves no room for combat. It is avoidance of engagement with unfriendly cons that irks me. By all means Sir play your way, but I do not see the behaviors you are defending as part of the normal activities of the 68th. Just questioning where you are coming from here Zoom.
what behavior am i defending??? NOE runs? Furballing, GV missions?? there ALL part of the Game
New? same can be said for yourself, New to you maybe Sir, ive been with the 68th 6 months after KO and Bragg formed it, i taught KO how to fly in AW, Oh and please be easy on me i scare easy , The 68th plays about every aspect of the game, and YES we do NOE runs time to time,sometimes one after the other (did 3 last night), we furball , we GV, we up at heavly contested bases to try to save them, what ever our squad wants to do, and we have fun doing it, in your opinion what makes this game thrive as you put it?? oh i know Combat..
The 68th really enjoy this game doing whatever we can to have fun, maybe that why alot of our squad are CM's and do alot of senerio's cause we love the game, its NOT one demensional to us as it is to other Good Day
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I'll admit it. We (the Birds of Prey) have used NOE 110 raids to effectively grab enemy fields for the last couple of years, a LOT. It's fun. It worked. It took "the enemy" by surprise.
But these days not so much. People have learned how to respond. It only takes one alert guy to notice the base/town flashing, and the mission is a death ride. Hundreds and thousands (ok, maybe a few only) of angry bees launch from the base, kill the 110s, find the goon, and end it. Wirbles and ostis up and surround the vehicle hangar, then speed out to the town. It's a nightmare. OH THE HUMANITY!
So now we're going to have to go back to more sophisticated tactics. You are warned.
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shubie
Now that would be something novel. I havent seen anything even resembling sophisticated tactics used in a mission in game in a very very very long time. And even then its been a rare occurance.
And no. Taking a conga line of 75 planes to take a base defended by 3 people isnt "sophisticated tactics"
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what behavior am i defending??? NOE runs? Furballing, GV missions?? there ALL part of the Game
New? same can be said for yourself, New to you maybe Sir, ive been with the 68th 6 months after KO and Bragg formed it, i taught KO how to fly in AW, Oh and please be easy on me i scare easy , The 68th plays about every aspect of the game, and YES we do NOE runs time to time,sometimes one after the other (did 3 last night), we furball , we GV, we up at heavly contested bases to try to save them, what ever our squad wants to do, and we have fun doing it, in your opinion what makes this game thrive as you put it?? oh i know Combat..
The 68th really enjoy this game doing whatever we can to have fun, maybe that why alot of our squad are CM's and do alot of senerio's cause we love the game, its NOT one demensional to us as it is to other Good Day
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Sound like you have a chip on your shoulders. It definetly doesn't sound like 68th boyz :aok
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No Chip, just tired of people wanting everyone to "play" the game "there way" theres alot of ways to enjoy this game, and i enjoy all the ways to play it, so does the squad
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To be clear. I have nothing against NOE missions. But with the type of missions of all types that are put up. So much more could be accomplished if some imagination and forward thinking were used or I should say implemented.
But that presents its own set of problems With the instant gratification mindset being the norm. And everyone wanting to do what they want to do and not follow the mission creators vision. And complaints of people playing "general" when they do try to get creative.
It makes it near impossible to plan anything other then the types of missions that are the most common.
Which is why you never see me putting up any missions. I would require that people actually follow to a T what my vision is. In short I'd have to play "general" which many people dont like. So why sign up for that sort of aggravation?
Naa, not worth it. Instead I'll just watch and sometimes tag along with the silliness that goes on. knowing that it can be done better. but also knowing that for that to happen. Groups of people or entire squads have to be willing to subordinate themselves totally to someone elses vision.
And the only place you see that is in the events like FSO. the MA...not so much
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I'd actually like to see some variety in the mission format, seems like every mission that's posted as the same aircraft in it over and over again (this coming from a die-hard 38/39 pile-it I know, I know). If someone posted a mission with some actual historical matches, or dare I say some mid or early war birds I would probably join them from time to time. If you're going to go NOE why not grab B-25C's with the strafer/gun packages and post some P-38G's, P-40E's, or P-39D/Q's for escort? Get something going with a little flair or historical feel.
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some of the best fun i have ever had in the game was Thunder egg bomber missions w/ escort (historically accurate):!!
the Betty boop Stuka raids and P 40b / C202 sweeps.
I was on a CV once and it was sunk by a hoard of SBDs ....that was fun to watch.
I would love to see more people have fun with a variety of planes (in the MA).
I'M just sayin.......
froger
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::yawn::
Same topic, slightly different slant... Very slightly...
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Someone needs to revamp the Mother of all missions again. Tell em your coming and dare em to stop ya. Who wants to light the torch?
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Sound like you have a chip on your shoulders. It definetly doesn't sound like 68th boyz :aok
8 posts.Why do I smell a troll?
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it seems like 40+ people enjoy the game to the 1 person who doesn't.
majority rules?
anyway, i would rather fight players than shoot at buildings and auto guns any day, but that's just my $15.
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Someone needs to revamp the Mother of all missions again. Tell em your coming and dare em to stop ya. Who wants to light the torch?
MOM! :aok
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I have always had much respect for the 68's and have gladly fought alongside of them mutiple times, but I admit that you are new to me. So I will take it easy on ya. It is not about my way of playing. It is about what causes this game to thrive and what drives people away. Simply put, if there is no combat, there is no fun. 40+ pilots smashing down town and hangars in just a few minutes leaves no room for combat. It is avoidance of engagement with unfriendly cons that irks me. By all means Sir play your way, but I do not see the behaviors you are defending as part of the normal activities of the 68th. Just questioning where you are coming from here Zoom.
Why don't you take your whinny, oinkie little piggies and up and fight the hords? Or better yet if you don't like the game quit. BTW just how old are you you sound like a little sissy girl.
Glad I don't have to listen to that oink cra*
Yeah I know rule # something.
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Why don't you take your whinny, oinkie little piggies and up and fight the hords? Or better yet if you don't like the game quit. BTW just how old are you you sound like a little sissy girl.
Glad I don't have to listen to that oink cra*
Yeah I know rule # something.
Wow,someone needs a midol.
You might get to enjoy our company,we are coming to a country near you soon. :neener:
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it seems like 40+ people enjoy the game to the 1 person who doesn't.
majority rules?
anyway, i would rather fight players than shoot at buildings and auto guns any day, but that's just my $15.
Ok but most of the majority of that NOE mission will get tired of playing and quit within a year
Why don't you take your whinny, oinkie little piggies and up and fight the hords? Or better yet if you don't like the game quit. BTW just how old are you you sound like a little sissy girl.
Glad I don't have to listen to that oink cra*
Yeah I know rule # something.
We actually stick away from the hordes starting our own fights by flying to bases and calling people out on 200...and Ill see you within the next couple months
Wow,someone needs a midol.
You might get to enjoy our company,we are coming to a country near you soon. :neener:
HAHAHA, I already started crap on the rooks...I find I befriend the people who actually dont take the talk seriously or who kick some back, CrazyIvn for an example :rock
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We ran across a rather interesting NOE the other night. Batched tends to sit in the tower and watch things a lot and he noticed a coastal base flashing two or three "lines" back from the nearest Knight field and we had ownership of their CV. Xtrepid rolled an AA vehicle and I upped my Il-2 (my main ride) to see what was going on. Out in the distance "C-47" pops up. Xtrepid starts to laugh and comment on what noobs they must be running a goon to a full-up town; upon getting within draw distance, I discovered the town was down. I killed four or five of the troops and the goon, rather dumbfounded. Just as I was landing, the base started flashing again. Xtrepid disco'd and batched took off; two more goons running down the coast.
Batched had been staring at that map for who knows how long and that base hadn't been flashing. That was WEIRD. :lol
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I'd love to run into an NOE raid with a D9, it almost never happen =/
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its funny how you cry NOE, its no surprise mission, once you break the dar bar everything starts flashing anyway, So whats your problem?? not knowing how many are attacking your base
How long does it take to get from the edge of dar to the town? Maybe 2 minutes? Do you think there are 20 pilots just sitting in the tower studying the map like experten map readers waiting for something to start flashing so they can roll to stomp the potential NOE mission? Or perhaps you think someone will scream on country channel "NOE RAID Axx!!!" and then 20 allies will just bail from their aircraft no questions asked to up at this base? Sometimes blind luck will give enough allies the chance to roll in time, most times not. It's all good though, whenever I see 20 plane NOE horde missions taking bases I try to go in there in time killing and taking names. Incessant mocking of these skilless pilots that STILL died will usually ensue.
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well said :aok
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These posts from the no NOE people are lame. NOEs are part of the game. I don't think they should go any where. They are fun to fly in and fun to bust up. If you don't like them don't fly in em. I don't understand why you care if they take a undefended base most of you seem to want to furball only so it really shouldn't matter to you what they do. The key point though I want to get across what you find fun may differ from what others find fun. That's one great thing about being human we are all different. :salute
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These posts from the no NOE people are lame. NOEs are part of the game. I don't think they should go any where. They are fun to fly in and fun to bust up. If you don't like them don't fly in em. I don't understand why you care if they take a undefended base most of you seem to want to furball only so it really shouldn't matter to you what they do. The key point though I want to get across what you find fun may differ from what others find fun. That's one great thing about being human we are all different. :salute
Yes a 6-7 guy NOE raid may be fun and a challenge, but when 40 people come NOE....where is the fun in that? you may get to kill a building....
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The mentality of the typical NOEer is classic. They get pumped and spam country chan when the mission planner goes up to 30-40 guys to smash an undefended part of the map. God forbid one or two guys up when a base is flashing, see a NOE raid and make a B-line to the goon..they get called cheats, spies..etc. The same guys that plan these missions are the first to cry chesspiece horde when the same tactic is used against them. Fact is..you never see these guys that plan these missions head to the same target base when things go awry and suddenly you get some opposition.
IMO, the NOE tactic itself is ok, The NOE tactic with 20-30 guys is lame, cowardly and way overused, like throwing a stick of dynamite in a lake to catch that bigmouth bass, no skill or patience and I doubt that tactic will ever go away. Every generation of players has those 1 or 2 guys that want to be chesspece heros
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Yes a 6-7 guy NOE raid may be fun and a challenge, but when 40 people come NOE....where is the fun in that? you may get to kill a building....
I have never been in one that has been 40 people 25 is the most I have flown with, and I fly in a lot of missions. I think missions of all kinds can really help a new pilot get into the game. I know my first few months that's really where I learned the basics. They are a place for new pilots to get started in our community and should be promoted. And even noes fit that bill. Some people may like taking bases and killing ack and buildings, and rarely a noe goes uncontested so there is always some sort of fight.
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The mentality of the typical NOEer is classic. They get pumped and spam country chan when the mission planner goes up to 30-40 guys to smash an undefended part of the map. God forbid one or two guys up when a base is flashing, see a NOE raid and make a B-line to the goon..they get called cheats, spies..etc. The same guys that plan these missions are the first to cry chesspiece horde when the same tactic is used against them. Fact is..you never see these guys that plan these missions head to the same target base when things go awry and suddenly you get some opposition.
IMO, the NOE tactic itself is ok, The NOE tactic with 20-30 guys is lame, cowardly and way overused, like throwing a stick of dynamite in a lake to catch that bigmouth bass, no skill or patience and I doubt that tactic will ever go away. Every generation of players has those 1 or 2 guys that want to be chesspece heros
Tral, your sooooo last year............. :rofl
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These posts from the no NOE people are lame.
Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection. Where is the fight in that. You want a fight... jump up say here I am and here is where I am going... let's get it on.
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+1 Tral
you hit the nail on the head
my advise is you can conplain about the NOE or you can take your squad and hunt the NOE!
To my knowledge if you do this enough they will get tired of being shot down ALL the time and noone will want to fly in their NOE missions.
now don't get me wrong NOE missions are fun but to use that tactic with 20-40 planes everytime is lame.
Tral, your sooooo last year............. :rofl
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Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection.
Quoted for Truth! :aok
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My take on the NOE raid is that it does have a place in the game. What I would like to see is a set alt above the ground required before you show up on dar and towns and field start flashing. Oh an yes do away with the DAR BAR unless they break the altitude limit.
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My take on the NOE raid is that it does have a place in the game. What I would like to see is a set alt above the ground required before you show up on DAR and towns and field start flashing. Oh an yes do away with the DAR BAR unless they break the altitude limit.
Last I checked you had to stay below 200ft for Dar. As for alt for town and bases flashing, I think the system is just fine. I used to take vehicle bases really easy with my 3 man squad. You just have to come up with a good tactic. Try a P38, A-20, and a goon. Let the goon fly lead till 5k from base. Have the others wep in to down ack and as there hitting ack your landing. Anything comes out the A20 has enough ords to cap it with help from the 38. Time your attacks opposite when vehicles up. When one is diving the other should be grabbing alt. This was about the only way my squad could capture a base by ourselves.
Here's a pic done with a 110 instead of the 38
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg66/choker41/ahss3.jpg)
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Yes, NOE's have a place in the game, NO they do NOT promote fighting. The whole idea of an NOE is to sneak in and steal a base as fast as you can WITH OUT being caught. Why as fast as you can? Because you are low and heavy in most cases, a very bad way to start a fight.
On the other hand, an NOE can be used to pull the defense apart at a heavily defended base by trying to sneak an adjacent base at the SAME TIME as continuing to attack the main base.
30 people on an NOE is just stupid, half the people in the mission won't even get a chance to drop their bombs..... WOW that must be fun ! Why not split that force and hit 2 bases at the same time? Maybe 20 guys go in at 12k as a mission, while the other 10 go NOE to an adjacent base AT THE SAME TIME.
Most NOEs are made and run by the "less skilled" players. Hiding in their "horde" substitutes for their lack of skill in defending themselves. Maybe they can complete their mission BEFORE everyone get killed. If these people worked on learning how better to defend themselves in stead the game it self would become a much better game. Look at Lusche's post, less than 20% of the people flying can keep better than a kill per sortie.... I think that was what I read, it may have been k/d, either way it shows the lack of skill today.
Todays "goal" is the "capture". If more players leaned toward the "fun of the fight" they would learn more, bring the skill levels up increasing the fun of everyone. They run a mission and if they didn't get the capture they are failures. This NOT how you should be playing this game. Sure its fun to be part of a team and capture a base, win the war, but the fun....as I see it is the fight, the challenge, to get there. You take 10 guys, run an NOE and steal a base. The whole mission lasts 15 minutes, and you get the capture. WOW that was fun! Now you do the same mission, but 5 guys up to defend. Mission lasts 30-40 minutes and you have to come back at least once more, but you and your buddies beat back the defense and you capture the base. Wouldn't that be a lot more fun?
Don't be afraid of dieing.... you don't really die you know. As most of you are the lower skilled players the only way your going to get better is to go against some opposition. Learn from what happens on the missions, in your fights. Sure you are going to get shot down a lot, but you'll get better, everyone does. Challenge your selves. NOEs won't do that for you.
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waystin and shuffler, there is one absolutely sure way you guys can have a fight every time. Go to DA together. A dream come true. Why are you guys even playing at any other arena since "the fight" is all you need? :rolleyes:
To many others there are so many additional interesting aspects in this game included. Why don't you let us enjoy them?
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waystin and shuffler, there is one absolutely sure way you guys can have a fight every time. Go to DA together. A dream come true. Why are you guys even playing at any other arena since "the fight" is all you need? :rolleyes:
To many others there are so many additional interesting aspects in this game included. Why don't you let us enjoy them?
I find plenty of fights.... for you folks stuck in a gv or bomber there is the DA too... or the TA might be a better choice.
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I find plenty of fights.... for you folks stuck in a gv or bomber there is the DA too... or the TA might be a better choice.
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Why do you then constantly whine about how others play :headscratch:
And if you refer to me with that "you folks", go ahead and check my gv and bomber stats. :eek:
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Why do you then constantly whine about how others play :headscratch:
And if you refer to me with that "you folks", go ahead and check my gv and bomber stats. :eek:
Why do you constantly whine about my posts? My post was aimed at trying to help some of the newer folks understand.
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waystin and shuffler, there is one absolutely sure way you guys can have a fight every time. Go to DA together. A dream come true. Why are you guys even playing at any other arena since "the fight" is all you need? :rolleyes:
To many others there are so many additional interesting aspects in this game included. Why don't you let us enjoy them?
Hello Blauk,
Shuffler and myself could not be any more different. Where he spends almost all of his time in the 38 dog-fighting, I will GV, bomb, field gun, furball, and other assorted looney endeavours with my friends. I say do what you enjoy, I am just asking for a chance to fight you, not play hide and seek. Let me specific, NOES have a place in this game. I usually only participate in them when our country is outnumbered by both sides...
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Way
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Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection. Where is the fight in that. You want a fight... jump up say here I am and here is where I am going... let's get it on.
What's fascinating after all these years of the same unresolved never-ending subject is that Hitech has not altered the NOE aspect at all.
Why?
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Why do you constantly whine about my posts? My post was aimed at trying to help some of the newer folks understand.
Well, unfortunately to me those posts appear mostly as "my way is the only right way to play this game" -type of posts.
Great if you are doing what you say, maybe I just misread them...
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Well, unfortunately to me those posts appear mostly as "my way is the only right way to play this game" -type of posts.
Great if you are doing what you say, maybe I just misread them...
Maybe if people would STOP reading posts as that they may look at it with a bit more of an open mind. As has been stated there are many ways to play this game. Every post has an idea that may actually be fun if people could just pull themselves away from the ol tried and true NOEs that they always run. I think those that defend that single style of play are those that afraid to step outside of their comfort zone. It's a game people, lets try PLAYING !
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Well, unfortunately to me those posts appear mostly as "my way is the only right way to play this game" -type of posts.
Great if you are doing what you say, maybe I just misread them...
Maybe I posted in a way that left that door open. Everyone knows I prefer to dogfight. I might sit in a ship gun if tired or something at home going on. I might up a different bird, the cv won't let me have a 38. I might up an A-20 and go dogfight. I might up a 25H and hit GVs and dogfight (lol dogfighting in a 25H is fun but not recommended for the faint of heart). I've been known to up a panzer or osty a bit (although I have each person in the vacinity sign a silence agreement).
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Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection. Where is the fight in that. You want a fight... jump up say here I am and here is where I am going... let's get it on.
And so they may not promote fights they don't have to.
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And so they may not promote fights they don't have to.
isnt "combat" the the whole point?
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And so they may not promote fights they don't have to.
Sure they don't have to. So they should stop saying they do.
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I just say do whatever people think it's fun. iIt's a game aniway xD. If I know I do something and it would push your button I'd do it 10x more just to piss you off !
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NOE's will always be around. It's just that you can't run them over and over again. What I think will happen is that NOE's will use a different plane set. Say, Typhoons or something that can fight and yet tear down buildings.
Tell you what I would do if I ran missions. I would send a couple of bombers at alt. have them drop on town and the kill a couple objects on the base. Then while the uppers are chasing the bombers, I would sneak my noe over there.
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I think the maps should be designed to promote fewer NOEs by having bases away from the initial front progressively hilly in such a way as to make it impossible to go far with NOE attacks. NOE is a sneak attack that may initiate momentum and the stronger teams can then generate the momentum of initial victories and then move forward with more prepared assaults.
Personally I cant stand to take part in anything NOE but not because its a field capture in easy mode (or however you look at it). I just dont like getting near ack period because the stuff is attracted to my ride like blondes to muscle cars. :lol
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I think the maps should be designed to promote fewer NOEs by having bases away from the initial front progressively hilly in such a way as to make it impossible to go far with NOE attacks. NOE is a sneak attack that may initiate momentum and the stronger teams can then generate the momentum of initial victories and then move forward with more prepared assaults.
Personally I cant stand to take part in anything NOE but not because its a field capture in easy mode (or however you look at it). I just dont like getting near ack period because the stuff is attracted to my ride like blondes to muscle cars. :lol
What do you care? You're conserving fuel at 30k :D
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:rofl
Why do you then constantly whine about how others play :headscratch:
And if you refer to me with that "you folks", go ahead and check my gv and bomber stats. :eek:
Is argueing for a fix in something we think is flawed, a whine?
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Is argueing for a fix in something we think is flawed, a whine?
No. Assuming it is something that needs "fixed" in the first place is.
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I'd actually like to see some variety in the mission format, seems like every mission that's posted as the same aircraft in it over and over again (this coming from a die-hard 38/39 pile-it I know, I know). If someone posted a mission with some actual historical matches, or dare I say some mid or early war birds I would probably join them from time to time. If you're going to go NOE why not grab B-25C's with the strafer/gun packages and post some P-38G's, P-40E's, or P-39D/Q's for escort? Get something going with a little flair or historical feel.
P40 and B-25 NOE mission. We can call it the Ben Affleck! :P
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I will say this. Even the 40 man NOE raids have a place in the game. Sometimes they are the only kind of missions or organized effort you can find.
I have been in plenty of 40 man NOE raids. A lot of them were standard affairs, I'd say about half. Those missions were fine. It's not so much the "I get to fight" feeling as the feeling of "I am contributing to an effort larger than myself. It doesn't matter if I get kills or not. I'm doing my part to help the group." About half the time in those missions, the raid goes ahead as planned, undisturbed by major opposition. The other half, it get's completely bogged down. The latter scenario is often the catalyst for those infamous, gigantic furballs that seem to suck in half of the entire server. The NOE raid gets intercepted. The fighter escorts begin to do their best to protect the 110's and other attack craft. More defenders come up. If there are organized squads participating, this is where it can get good. A new mission (or sometimes two) is created. Somties the mission is omitted and instructions are given verbally. The attackers re-up at the nearest base in fighters and high-tail it to the base. Furball gets going. The entire objective of the raid is lost, but everyone gets to be in a GPU-melting, stick-busting good time.
The other half is something else entirely. The other half is made up of an entirely new demographic of NOE raids. Theme raids (In Service of the Queen, Looney Gooney, ect) that are as large as the standard raids, but go out of their way to achieve historical accuracy, fighter sweeps, duration flights, and even more. Back when I was active, I flew with rook squad leaders like Limbo0 and 96Delta, so when we had a mission, it was always grand. There are two NOE missions that I remember as clear as a whistle.
The first was a raid on a Bish field with a nice waterfront view. Our original approach was off of a CV in heavy Corsairs. When that raid was marginally intercepted, we left the others to fight it out. Limbo and Delta took the LCA and 357th pilots in attendance and formed a second attack mission on a neighboring base. We quickly hit the runway in La5fn's, with bombs and full guns. We took off as quickly as we could, heading NOE to a second base nearby. Once we passed over the hill, only about 3K from the airfield, it came alive. The mission itself was made up of around 25 La5fn drivers. Once we hit that pass, more cons than I ould count came up to fight. Not only did it turn into a low level furball.... It turned into a massacre. The tightest, densest, most chaotic furball I have ever seen in my entire time playing AH. It lasted less than 10 minutes. And then we struck again. Soon after the attack was met head on by heavy resistance, Limbo0 told everyone there to reup at the same base with an La7 with 50% fuel and wait for further instructions. Once enough of us died, we reupped as quickly as we could, passing by yet another flight of rook La5fn's headed to roughly the same area, but a different base. Once we got there, it was still a gigantic, fuming furball and everyone involved had an incredible time.
My second NOE raid that I'm writing about had much less action, but I remember it just as vividly. There were around 12 of us. It was the map where the rooks hold the bottom edge. We put up a mission to take a small number of Lancasters, loaded to 75% fuel and plenty of ordinance. We headed out east from the rook mainland to go way out beyond the Bish space and around to two lille v-bases out in the rear, beyond two mountain passes. After we launched, we stayed as close to the deck as possible, going out over the water. Our escorts scouted ahead about 3/4 a sector. For about an hour, we flew over water towards a mountain pass that we would use to stay under radar all the way to the v-bases. About 70 minutes in, we made our turn north and headed up into the mountain pass. We had a few close calls with the hills, but we made it ok. Then we got to the bases. I can't remember completely if we capped them or not, but I do remember landing at one of the v-bases. Definately the LONGEST NOE raid I have ever been on. It was a blast. I wouldn't do it again, but it was an incredible experience.
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P40 and B-25 NOE mission. We can call it the Ben Affleck! :P
:lol
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The days of the 110 raids are extremely far from over.
ROX
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P40 and B-25 NOE mission. We can call it the Ben Affleck! :P
Bad joke thief! Scroll down to the sagatious musings of bait. This is from tour 108. :P
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