Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?

[rshubert]

I'll admit it.  We (the Birds of Prey) have used NOE 110 raids to effectively grab enemy fields for the last couple of years, a LOT.  It's fun.  It worked.  It took "the enemy" by surprise.

But these days not so much.  People have learned how to respond.  It only takes one alert guy to notice the base/town flashing, and the mission is a death ride.  Hundreds and thousands (ok, maybe a few only) of angry bees launch from the base, kill the 110s, find the goon, and end it.  Wirbles and ostis up and surround the vehicle hangar, then speed out to the town.  It's a nightmare.  OH THE HUMANITY!

So now we're going to have to go back to more sophisticated tactics.  You are warned.

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shubie

[MjTalon]

 


 

[Kazaa]

 

[waystin2]

It is not the death of NOE I want to see.  It is the death of the overkill NOE I want to see.  No more 40 plane NOE missions!

[Rich46yo]

I always thought they were fun. Flying with a good bunch is always fun.

Course there are those who dont think much of them. Until "the crowd" thinks much of them. Then they will think much of them.

Defending against them are even more fun cause you know they are coming and 110s are pretty easy to shoot down. There are several reasons why I dont fly them anymore. First off I get tired of the same few guys meeting us at the same place in the route, in the same Typhie, at the same Alt "2,000'", in the same area of the map where nothing is happening.

Mostly tho I'm tired of flying 110s NOE. That and Ive lost interest in flying groups with 10 different country sets included. I love looking at film and stills of actual history correct skins and planes flying in historically correct manner. You dont need to mix 110s, Nikis, P-51s, Spits, 205s when the correct country sets are so effective and awsome to behold.

[68ZooM]

It is not the death of NOE I want to see.  It is the death of the overkill NOE I want to see.  No more 40 plane NOE missions!

Sure could of fooled me by your NOE wall of shame post,  i guess you seem to feel the need to only want people to play it your way, which way is that?? Furball? GV? take bases?? whats your style? enlighten us as to the proper game play, heaven forbid anyone plays the game how THEY want to, its funny how you cry NOE, its no surprise mission, once you break the dar bar everything starts flashing anyway, So whats your problem?? not knowing how many are attacking your base, lol do you want an invitation with pilot numbers to the base Attacks so you can be ready? 40 plane NOE missions lol thats funny right there, would you cry if 40 planes were at 30K saying "Death to Alt BOMBERS it takes to long to climb to them" you want furball there is a DA

[waystin2]

Sure could of fooled me by your NOE wall of shame post,  i guess you seem to feel the need to only want people to play it your way, which way is that?? Furball? GV? take bases?? whats your style? enlighten us as to the proper game play, heaven forbid anyone plays the game how THEY want to, its funny how you cry NOE, its no surprise mission, once you break the dar bar everything starts flashing anyway, So whats your problem?? not knowing how many are attacking your base, lol do you want an invitation with pilot numbers to the base Attacks so you can be ready? 40 plane NOE missions lol thats funny right there, would you cry if 40 planes were at 30K saying "Death to Alt BOMBERS it takes to long to climb to them" you want furball there is a DA

I have always had much respect for the 68's and have gladly fought alongside of them mutiple times, but I admit that you are new to me.  So I will take it easy on ya.  It is not about my way of playing.  It is about what causes this game to thrive and what drives people away.  Simply put, if there is no combat, there is no fun.  40+ pilots smashing down town and hangars in just a few minutes leaves no room for combat.  It is avoidance of engagement with unfriendly cons that irks me.  By all means Sir play your way, but I do not see the behaviors you are defending as part of the normal activities of the 68th.  Just questioning where you are coming from here Zoom.

[Soulyss]

I'd actually like to see some variety in the mission format, seems like every mission that's posted as the same aircraft in it over and over again (this coming from a die-hard 38/39 pile-it I know, I know).  If someone posted a mission with some actual historical matches, or dare I say some mid or early war birds I would probably join them from time to time.  If you're going to go NOE why not grab B-25C's with the strafer/gun packages and post some P-38G's, P-40E's, or P-39D/Q's for escort?   Get something going with a little flair or historical feel.  

[Plazus]

I'd actually like to see some variety in the mission format, seems like every mission that's posted as the same aircraft in it over and over again (this coming from a die-hard 38/39 pile-it I know, I know).  If someone posted a mission with some actual historical matches, or dare I say some mid or early war birds I would probably join them from time to time.  If you're going to go NOE why not grab B-25C's with the strafer/gun packages and post some P-38G's, P-40E's, or P-39D/Q's for escort?   Get something going with a little flair or historical feel.  

Nailed it right on the head. I rarely ever join a 110 raid. Its generic and lacks flavor. Mix it up some, like what Soulyss mentioned, or better yet, try missions that are NOT noe. Altitude works just as effectively as noe if you know what youre doing.

[GuyNoir]

I think HTC should redesign the mission interface...  Instead of making us click the 'Mission' button, they should list all of the current, open country missions on a tower chalkboard...  That way, every one'd see them and they'd be more more of a normal, integrated, 'concentrated-firepower' kind of thing to do.  As it stands, missions are so infrequent that no-one ever has a reason to check the mission list, and mission makers practically have to scream it across the country channel to get anyone to join.

To get even crazier, how about adding automated, regularly scheduled missions with varying plane-types and objectives (CAP,CAS,etc) to the mission board?  It'd sort of be like combining the scrapped Combat Theater or whatever that HTC was working on into the main arenas.      

edit.  Just add a positive perk point modifier based on the mission's success to convince people to join...  That's teamwork, Kyle! 

[68ZooM]

I have always had much respect for the 68's and have gladly fought alongside of them mutiple times, but I admit that you are new to me.  So I will take it easy on ya.  It is not about my way of playing.  It is about what causes this game to thrive and what drives people away.  Simply put, if there is no combat, there is no fun.  40+ pilots smashing down town and hangars in just a few minutes leaves no room for combat.  It is avoidance of engagement with unfriendly cons that irks me.  By all means Sir play your way, but I do not see the behaviors you are defending as part of the normal activities of the 68th.  Just questioning where you are coming from here Zoom.

what behavior am i defending???  NOE runs? Furballing, GV missions??  there ALL part of the Game
New? same can be said for yourself, New to you maybe Sir,  ive been with the 68th  6 months after KO and Bragg formed it, i taught KO how to fly in AW, Oh and please be easy on me i scare easy , The 68th plays about every aspect of the game, and YES we do NOE runs time to time,sometimes one after the other (did 3 last night), we furball , we GV, we up at heavly contested bases to try to save them, what ever our squad wants to do, and we have fun doing it, in your opinion what makes this game thrive as you put it?? oh i know Combat..
The 68th really enjoy this game doing whatever we can to have fun, maybe that why alot of our squad are CM's and do alot of senerio's cause we love the game, its NOT one demensional to us as it is to other   Good Day

[DREDIOCK]

I'll admit it.  We (the Birds of Prey) have used NOE 110 raids to effectively grab enemy fields for the last couple of years, a LOT.  It's fun.  It worked.  It took "the enemy" by surprise.

But these days not so much.  People have learned how to respond.  It only takes one alert guy to notice the base/town flashing, and the mission is a death ride.  Hundreds and thousands (ok, maybe a few only) of angry bees launch from the base, kill the 110s, find the goon, and end it.  Wirbles and ostis up and surround the vehicle hangar, then speed out to the town.  It's a nightmare.  OH THE HUMANITY!

So now we're going to have to go back to more sophisticated tactics.  You are warned.

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shubie

Now that would be something novel. I havent seen anything even resembling sophisticated tactics used in a mission in game in a very very very long time. And even then its been a rare occurance.
And no. Taking a conga line of 75 planes to take a base defended by 3 people isnt "sophisticated tactics"

[CrAcKeR]

what behavior am i defending???  NOE runs? Furballing, GV missions??  there ALL part of the Game
New? same can be said for yourself, New to you maybe Sir,  ive been with the 68th  6 months after KO and Bragg formed it, i taught KO how to fly in AW, Oh and please be easy on me i scare easy , The 68th plays about every aspect of the game, and YES we do NOE runs time to time,sometimes one after the other (did 3 last night), we furball , we GV, we up at heavly contested bases to try to save them, what ever our squad wants to do, and we have fun doing it, in your opinion what makes this game thrive as you put it?? oh i know Combat..
The 68th really enjoy this game doing whatever we can to have fun, maybe that why alot of our squad are CM's and do alot of senerio's cause we love the game, its NOT one demensional to us as it is to other   Good Day
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Sound like you have a chip on your shoulders. It definetly doesn't sound like 68th boyz

[68ZooM]

No Chip, just tired of people wanting everyone to "play" the game "there way" theres alot of ways to enjoy this game, and i enjoy all the ways to play it, so does the squad

[DREDIOCK]

To be clear. I have nothing against NOE missions. But with the type of missions of all types that are put up. So much more could be accomplished if some imagination and forward thinking were used or I should say implemented.
 But that presents its own set of problems With the instant gratification mindset being the norm. And everyone wanting to do what they want to do and not follow the mission creators vision. And complaints of people playing "general" when they do try to get creative.
It makes it near impossible to plan anything other then the types of missions that are the most common.

 Which is why you never see me putting up any missions. I would require that people actually follow to a T what my vision is. In short I'd have to play "general" which many people dont like. So why sign up for that sort of aggravation?

Naa, not worth it. Instead I'll just watch and sometimes tag along with the silliness that goes on. knowing that it can be done better. but also knowing that for that to happen. Groups of people or entire squads have to be willing to subordinate themselves totally to someone elses vision.

And the only place you see that is in the events like FSO. the MA...not so much