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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Scotty55OEFVet on December 20, 2009, 06:23:58 AM
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I recently visited borders and came across a book titled, "Aircraft anatomy of WW2(Tech drawings of key aircraft". It has a number of aircraft such as late war IL's and Tbm's etc. Here is a list of some aircraft I know have been asked for and some that havent been:
Ju87B-2(armed with wing mounted 20mm MG 151 cannon for strafing)
Gloster Meteor
F6F-5P
IL-2M3
BF109K-4(with underwing dondola configuration)
P-61B Black Widow
Supermarine Griffon Spitfire (4-20mm cannon configuration)
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Could you please provide some more details on the less well known of those (e.g. the IL-2M3, and the F6F-5P)? :salute
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Could you please provide some more details on the less well known of those (e.g. the IL-2M3, and the F6F-5P)? :salute
and don't forget the p61 its was america's first nightfighter
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I dont think he is going to be providing anything... note that he is now "Persona Non Grata".
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I dont think he is going to be providing anything... note that he is now "Persona Non Grata".
Ah...well in that case I WANT THE A-26!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Thread hijacked. :D
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Ah...well in that case I WANT THE A-26!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Thread hijacked. :D
Oh yeah? Well I want the SE5! I mean, how can you hate a gun that fires 45 degrees up?!
Add the LaGG-3 too.
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and don't forget the p61 its was america's first nightfighter
*sigh*
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and don't forget the p61 its was america's first nightfighter
There is a lot more to the P-61 than just being the one of the first night/all weather fighter for the US. I suggest that you do some research.
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We already have the IL2M3. The IL2M3 was the two seat version of the IL2. The F6F-5P is a photo hellcat. The only difference it and the standard F6F-5 is the camera. Never knew the 109K-4 to carry the underwing gondola. I didn't think it had provisions for carrying them. The P-61 was not America's first night fighter, I believe some early P-38's and the P-70 came before the 61. I don't think HTC will ever give any spitfire the 4 x 20mm option regardless of the mark. It already has a good armament package the way it is, C or E wing. Giving it quad 20's would make it extremely overrated in the game environment.
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I recently visited borders and came across a book titled, "Aircraft anatomy of WW2(Tech drawings of key aircraft". It has a number of aircraft such as late war IL's and Tbm's etc. Here is a list of some aircraft I know have been asked for and some that havent been:
Ju87B-2(armed with wing mounted 20mm MG 151 cannon for strafing) the Ju 87B-2 was not armed with 20mm cannon... however it would be nice to have an earlier version of the Stuka)
Gloster Meteor No more jets please :aok
F6F-5P
IL-2M3 That's the version we have
BF109K-4(with underwing dondola configuration) The K-4 never carried gondolas. The point of the MK 108 was that gondolas were not needed
P-61B Black Widow
Supermarine Griffon Spitfire (4-20mm cannon configuration) The Spitfire MK XIV is Griffon engined. Please no quad Hispanos for the Spitfire
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I have to diagree with Bubi on the Meteor. I would love shooting them down in my 262.
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I dont think he is going to be providing anything... note that he is now "Persona Non Grata".
Unless they renamed PNG to "Hmm" then I don't see how this is possible.
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I researched the K4 awhile back and they came from the factory with the gondie attached,IIRC JG27 were disappointed to see their new K4's arrive with the gondies and promptly removed them!
The wings have the attachment points so I see no reason to not include them in a perked ords pack.
Now were they ever used in combat?? That is something I could not find and I assume the answer to be no,thus the reason they arent available ingame!
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Could you please provide some more details on the less well known of those (e.g. the IL-2M3, and the F6F-5P)? :salute
The F6F-5P was the armed photo recce version of the Hellcat.
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and don't forget the p61 its was america's first nightfighter
No it wasn't.
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the Ju 87B-2 was not armed with 20mm cannon... however it would be nice to have an earlier version of the Stuka)
Rudel's Ju-87B-2 was equipped with 20mm wing mounted cannons but I believe it was done just for him for field testing purposes and regular Ju 87B-2s were not produced with 20mm wing mounted cannons.
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I do not claim to be an aircraft expert. So u dont have to be real shady when you reply. I am still learning about the planes of Aces High so if I put a plane down that is in-game but maybe isnt correct nomenclature, I apologize. Give constructive remarks. A few of you left comments that corrected me and I appreciate it...but aa few of ya have to be smarty panta and make me look stupid, so thanks. To the others thank u for your comments. MOTHERLAND, straight from specifications Box on JU-87G1 and B2:
Armament-2 37mm BK 3,7 cannonand one flexible 7.92mm MG. (so I was wrong on the size of the cannon) I would have no problem scanning it and emailing u a few of these Models to prove I am not just making stuff up. <S>
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The BK 37 was equipped to the G-1 and G-2. It was not ever mounted on the Ju 87B-2 as far as I'm aware.
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The BK 37 was equipped to the G-1 and G-2. It was not ever mounted on the Ju 87B-2 as far as I'm aware.
and D-3s (battle of kursk).
ack-akc
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I thought D-3's equipped with the BK 37 became G-1's? Isn't that all a D-3 is?
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I thought D-3's equipped with the BK 37 became G-1's? Isn't that all a D-3 is?
Pretty much but during the Battle of Kursk, there was I think only a couple of 'official' G-1s and the rest were D-3s with the 37mm cannon.
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Pretty much but during the Battle of Kursk, there was I think only a couple of 'official' G-1s and the rest were D-3s with the 37mm cannon.
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Hey Ack Ack, thank you for your input. As I said, this book i swritten by a gentleman who produced 35 Air Combat Videos and wrote countless books about WW2 Aircraft. I am sure its possible he made a mistake on the Model for JU87 but if not, it would make the JU87 a much more deadly AC in the Ground Attack Mode. As I have said, I will scan the sp[ecs and email it to you guys if interested. Thank you again for the intelligetn input. <S>
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i want teh n00k (http://www.sarna.net/files/download/incoming/forum/132792-nuke.jpg)
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who wants to take a guess who Tupac is a shade for?
My pick is Nemisis, any other guesses.
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and don't forget the p61 its was america's first nightfighter
The F4U-2 was.
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*sigh*
I know here we go again some ole story.
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I agree, its probably Nemisis. :rolleyes: Kill the shade! :noid
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Heck, i just like to get the B-29. Oppps
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B29 200 perks.
Nuke 2,000,000 perks.
Look on their faces when it goes "Pop" and proves to be a dud
Priceless!
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i want teh n00k (http://www.sarna.net/files/download/incoming/forum/132792-nuke.jpg)
Nukes in this game would be ridiculous, considering they were dropped because an Invasion of the Japanese home Islands would have been a slaughter (initial estimates for assault on Kyushu topped 1 million). Think it is an unwise idea, but then who am I but just another noob, right?
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Scotty just a bit of advise, alot of these guys are really good when it comes to their WWII stuff. Dont use one source, research, double check, and tripple check. As much as possible stay away from Wikipedia, there are mistakes in it and these guys, the good ones will catch you. They have caught me on some mistakes, and I have lived around, flown, and worked on these old birds litterally all my life. Just be sure to check and double check you facts. Even Rand Mcnally makes mistakes, I know I found one in their encylopedia of WW2 aircraft when I was 8, Many Many years ago. SO dont feel bad if they catch a mistake.
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guys did you notice the sopwith camel!!! now all we need is the sopwith triplane :lol
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No we haven't please link us.
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look on the first page on www.flyaceshigh.com
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The first aircraft to be manufactured as a dedicated night-fighter for the USAAF was the Douglas P-70, developed from the A-20 Havoc; it was used for training purposes only. The F4U and other US Navy/Marine night-fighters were standard day fighters adapted by being equipped with wing-mounted radar pods. The P-61 Black Widow was the first aircraft type to be designed and built from scratch exclusively as a night-fighter for the USAAF.
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I researched the K4 awhile back and they came from the factory with the gondie attached,IIRC JG27 were disappointed to see their new K4's arrive with the gondies and promptly removed them!
The wings have the attachment points so I see no reason to not include them in a perked ords pack.
Now were they ever used in combat?? That is something I could not find and I assume the answer to be no,thus the reason they arent available ingame!
I'd like to ask for the source of this claim(if you can remember), because to my knowledge no standard Kurfurst was ever equipped with gondies.
IIRC, the original plan was to come up with Kurfurst sub-types incorporated with onboard armaments as once wielded by early 109s such as the Emil, including provisions for internal installation of either the MG151 or MK108 at the wings. These subtypes would be later designated into minor variants such as K-6 or K-8 or etc... and some ambitious plans would even go so far as to install the experimental MK103 as gondelwaffens. Except there's no evidence suggesting that these versions ever existed outside of paper..
I recall seeing some mock-up or testbed 109s equipped with MK103s and such, but I don't think I've ever seen a K-4 brandishing a gondola under its wings. It'd be nice to know if I missed something.
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The first aircraft to be manufactured as a dedicated night-fighter for the USAAF was the Douglas P-70, developed from the A-20 Havoc; it was used for training purposes only. The F4U and other US Navy/Marine night-fighters were standard day fighters adapted by being equipped with wing-mounted radar pods. The P-61 Black Widow was the first aircraft type to be designed and built from scratch exclusively as a night-fighter for the USAAF.
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Four P-70 squadrons were deployed to North Africa in 1943 to be part of the 12th AF but when they arrived in Tunisia, the units they were to be apart of received Bristol Beaufighter from England through Reverse Lend Lease. The 427th Night Figher Squadron took its P-70s with it when it deployed to Italy, but they received P-61s before they became operational and traded in their P-70s.
P-70s saw brief service in the PTO. The 6th Night Fighter Squadron began operations in February of 1943 with its P-70s from Henderson Field, Guadalcanal and later supported by the 419th Night Fighter Squadron. The 418th and 421st Night Fighter Squadrons flew out of New Guinea for a short time. P-70s were replaced as soon as possible when the P-61 came along because of poor performance. P-70s only have two kills to their credit for the entire war, they just were not capable night fighters, one would be very lucky if it could successfully intercept a Japanese night raider.
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Kweassa,
I dont recall off hand were I read that,awhile back there was alot of call for 20mm option on K4.
Thats when I was researching it,I'll look around again,I'm sure it's bookmarked somewhere..LOL
I do recall reading either JG53 or JG27 received their new K4's with gondies attached,then promptly removed them. So as soon as I find it I'll shoot you a link,I'll be interested to know if it was hogwash or not.
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corrected typo!
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Scotty just a bit of advise, alot of these guys are really good when it comes to their WWII stuff. Dont use one source, research, double check, and tripple check. As much as possible stay away from Wikipedia, there are mistakes in it and these guys, the good ones will catch you. They have caught me on some mistakes, and I have lived around, flown, and worked on these old birds litterally all my life. Just be sure to check and double check you facts. Even Rand Mcnally makes mistakes, I know I found one in their encylopedia of WW2 aircraft when I was 8, Many Many years ago. SO dont feel bad if they catch a mistake.
Thank you for your kind words sir. Like I said, I dont claim to know a lot of the Air War of WW2, but I have studied all things WW2. The book is an older one and could still be off, maybe the idea was that the K4 was originally equipped with gondies like the other G models but was scrapped in favor of one 30mm for manueverability issues. Thanks for the comment man.
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I researched the K4 awhile back and they came from the factory with the gondie attached,IIRC JG27 were disappointed to see their new K4's arrive with the gondies and promptly removed them!
The wings have the attachment points so I see no reason to not include them in a perked ords pack.
Now were they ever used in combat?? That is something I could not find and I assume the answer to be no,thus the reason they arent available ingame!
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I didn't read the rest of this thread but from what Morfiend just said about how the gondolas were taken off in the field then isn't the whole k4 field modified and shouldn't be in game?
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Thanks for the detailed gen, Ack-Ack, I live 'n' learn still, thanks to peeps like you.
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I didn't read the rest of this thread but from what Morfiend just said about how the gondolas were taken off in the field then isn't the whole k4 field modified and shouldn't be in game?
If no K4s actually flew with the gondolas, then the field mod kinda becomes the standard.