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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: The Grinch on January 07, 2010, 09:53:27 AM
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OK...
Today i was flying in a LA-5.
And i was hunting down a one winged LA-7. The thing is that, when the LA-7 lost hes wing i was about 1.5K behind him.
And i was in the LA-5 with the WEP on. Still i didn't get closer to the LA-7. Instead he flew faster then me, and i ended up like 4.0K behind him.
I don't think that is right. I got that on film, and I'm gonna post it.
He should fly slower doe to the damage.
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Film?
Too many variables.
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Most likely half a wing, still flyable and less drag.
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Most likely half a wing, still flyable and less drag.
Ok... but it sounds not right... :cool:
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Film?
Too many variables.
I know, but i still think its not right. You getting more speed, and i think that the more airpressure you get, the wing should fall off.
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I found the Plane
(http://images.military.com/Shock/images/051013_OneWing.jpg)
and the Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0OSxvgmuG8&NR=1
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I too have chased down one-winged LA7's with an exceeding amount of difficulty. I believe that flight model may need looking at.
:cheers:
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You gotta remember all the extra weight it dosent have to carry with that more-powerful-than-your-LA5 engine :D
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la-7's are VERY easy to fly with one wing and have to remember the la-5 is slower than a la7
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MotleyCH +1
Jay +1
:old:
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I found the Plane
(http://images.military.com/Shock/images/051013_OneWing.jpg)
and the Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0OSxvgmuG8&NR=1
I know about this one... ( Very good job to landing that F-15 ) But did he do that twice?
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OK...
Today i was flying in a LA-5.
And i was hunting down a one winged LA-7. The thing is that, when the LA-7 lost hes wing i was about 1.5K behind him.
And i was in the LA-5 with the WEP on. Still i didn't get closer to the LA-7. Instead he flew faster then me, and i ended up like 4.0K behind him.
I don't think that is right. I got that on film, and I'm gonna post it.
He should fly slower doe to the damage.
Post the film. But the La7 will easily outpace the La5FN. Negative on the "slower".
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i think the point he is trying to make is, planes with 1/2 wings shouldn't be able to fly at full speed. I personally think they shouldn't be able to fly at all, even thou I love when I can land my K4 or 190 with 3 well earned kill after taking damage like that...
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Some planes in the game need a bunch of rudder input after losing part of a wing to offset roll. These in general slow noticeably due to the increased drag from the rudder.
Other planes in the game only require a small amount of aileron input after losing part of a wing. These planes hardly slow down if at all and can be placed on auto-pilot while missing wing parts.
I don't know where the La7 fits but I suspect it's in the second group.
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i think the point he is trying to make is, planes with 1/2 wings shouldn't be able to fly at full speed. I personally think they shouldn't be able to fly at all, even thou I love when I can land my K4 or 190 with 3 well earned kill after taking damage like that...
Yes sir :salute
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i think the point he is trying to make is, planes with 1/2 wings shouldn't be able to fly at full speed. I personally think they shouldn't be able to fly at all, even thou I love when I can land my K4 or 190 with 3 well earned kill after taking damage like that...
Really? Here's one example of why you should. It landed safely in Italy after striking a chimney while strafing ground targets. That is a decent amount of "wing" removed from the plane.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/BrazilianP-47hitschimney.jpg)
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Some planes in the game need a bunch of rudder input after losing part of a wing to offset roll. These in general slow noticeably due to the increased drag from the rudder.
Other planes in the game only require a small amount of aileron input after losing part of a wing. These planes hardly slow down if at all and can be placed on auto-pilot while missing wing parts.
I don't know where the La7 fits but I suspect it's in the second group.
It is in the second group,
It is also probably the fastest plane in the game on the deck :noid
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Any airplane missing a large section of wing will be slower, not faster. An open gash through a wing and trim drag created by deflected flight controls to maintain flight results in a large increase in drag. The airplane will slow down.
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Any airplane missing a large section of wing will be slower, not faster. An open gash through a wing and trim drag created by deflected flight controls to maintain flight results in a large increase in drag. The airplane will slow down.
I got no problem pushing doras and K4 at 300+ on the deck with missing wingtips.
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Really? Here's one example of why you should. It landed safely in Italy after striking a chimney while strafing ground targets. That is a decent amount of "wing" removed from the plane.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/BrazilianP-47hitschimney.jpg)
WHOA! Ok you got me there. You would think the pilot would bail out after taking damage like that. I'll up the ante to finding a pic of a F6F flying around with both wing tips missing. :devil
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I got no problem pushing doras and K4 at 300+ on the deck with missing wingtips.
I guess I need to be more specific. A REAL aircraft will slow down.
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I guess I need to be more specific. A REAL aircraft will slow down.
Ah, thought you were referring to the aircraft in game. With the above statement I completely agree with your last post.
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Any airplane missing a large section of wing will be slower, not faster. An open gash through a wing and trim drag created by deflected flight controls to maintain flight results in a large increase in drag. The airplane will slow down.
Yes, slow down or crash. Not be able to keep full speed.
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Yes, slow down or crash. Not be able to keep full speed.
They do slow down. Should they instantly lose the stored Energy?
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Wings! we don't need no stinking wings! :airplane:
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They do slow down. Should they instantly lose the stored Energy?
eeeehh.. Yes. cause the wing ain't aerodynamic anymore. And more airpressure will tear the wing more apart, cause the air suppose to go around the wing.... not in it. So if you wanna keep the rest on the wing, you have to stay slow and consentrate to stay in air to make a safe landing.
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Talking about airplanes flying with half wing missing....
(http://i8.tinypic.com/6uskz2a.jpg)
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Talking about airplanes flying with half wing missing....
(http://i8.tinypic.com/6uskz2a.jpg)
Another ALLIED H4XX0R!!!!!!!
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eeeehh.. Yes. cause the wing ain't aerodynamic anymore. And more airpressure will tear the wing more apart, cause the air suppose to go around the wing.... not in it. So if you wanna keep the rest on the wing, you have to stay slow and consentrate to stay in air to make a safe landing.
Wrong. If a wing portion is shed, it won't INSTANTLY, reduce to the speed of flyable cruise. It will gradually come down (if flyable), but not an immediate stop.
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Wrong. If a wing portion is shed, it won't INSTANTLY, reduce to the speed of flyable cruise. It will gradually come down (if flyable), but not an immediate stop.
yeah!!! and plus it also depends on if the person is turning his plane much (and also how you got that trim!)
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Wrong. If a wing portion is shed, it won't INSTANTLY, reduce to the speed of flyable cruise. It will gradually come down (if flyable), but not an immediate stop.
Ok, it seem weird that the plain is getting more speed with a bighole in its the wing. In this case, the plane DIN'T reduse speed at all.
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I lost both wings on a Spit 14 and flew for over 2 minutes with just a lawn dart. Was really weird. Kinda had to do a non-stop slow barrel roll to keep it in the air. That 14 sure has some HP! I will try to find the film for post...
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I lost both wings on a Spit 14 and flew for over 2 minutes with just a lawn dart. Was really weird. Kinda had to do a non-stop slow barrel roll to keep it in the air. That 14 sure has some HP! I will try to find the film for post...
Cool... :) I'm trying to post my film, but there are something wrong. I got an Error message. I can see the film, but when I'm trying to post it, i get : cant find the file.....
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I lost both wings on a Spit 14 and flew for over 2 minutes with just a lawn dart. Was really weird. Kinda had to do a non-stop slow barrel roll to keep it in the air. That 14 sure has some HP! I will try to find the film for post...
Furball once posted a film where he lost both wingtips of his 262 and he managed to keep it flying and fighting... it was funny, the wingtips were tore apart simmetrically, so he didn't even had to do much work to keep it level... I must still have it somewhere, I'll upload it! ;)
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Furball once posted a film where he lost both wingtips of his 262 and he managed to keep it flying and fighting... it was funny, the wingtips were tore apart simmetrically, so he didn't even had to do much work to keep it level... I must still have it somewhere, I'll upload it! ;)
I would imagine he had better success keeping it flying. The torque on the 14 kept rolling me right! Would love to see the film! :aok
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You're lucky, I found it immediately. :) Even though Furbie doesn't really fight, just flies (and HO :D)
http://www.filefront.com/15355795/Furball_clipped%20wings.ahf
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You're lucky, I found it immediately. :) Even though Furbie doesn't really fight, just flies (and HO :D)
http://www.filefront.com/15355795/Furball_clipped%20wings.ahf
Thx. :aok I'm gonna see the move when I'm home from work.
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I ran into a bit of bad luck on this hop, but still made it back to land with some scalps.
One thing I see here, is that we don't lose "half" of a wing. Closer to a third of it. I don't think the planes should fail to fly with that loss, but should be (and are) much more difficult to control and land safely. Mine sure feels slower too. But I need to land at a higher speed than normal.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/untitled.jpg)
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I ran into a bit of bad luck on this hop, but still made it back to land with some scalps.
One thing I see here, is that we don't lose "half" of a wing. Closer to a third of it. I don't think the planes should fail to fly with that loss, but should be (and are) much more difficult to control and land safely. Mine sure feels slower too. But I need to land at a higher speed than normal.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/untitled.jpg)
The planes gives the pilot a last chance to get out of the heat and try to make a safe landing.
But i don't think it out run at the same level, or maintain the top speed.
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la-7's are VERY easy to fly with one wing and have to remember the la-5 is slower than a la7
LA7 and LA5 have the exact same engine, however they moved certain things around on the aircraft, and reducing drag, therefore you have a faster plane
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LA7 and LA5 have the exact same engine, however they moved certain things around on the aircraft, and reducing drag, therefore you have a faster plane
The La-7 utilized more alloys.
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Here is the Spit 14 film. Finally found it...
http://www.mediafire.com/?mkmxjdkjwza (http://www.mediafire.com/?mkmxjdkjwza)
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Hey Grinch, not sure if ya remember, but I shot the crap out of an F4U at 8k...he was about as shot up as mtnmans F4 pic, dropped 7k, and outran both you(in a 38 I think), and I(In K4) to make it home and land kills. Im not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I would think that missing even 1/3 of your wing would reduce your speed considerably.
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Hey Grinch, not sure if ya remember, but I shot the crap out of an F4U at 8k...he was about as shot up as mtnmans F4 pic, dropped 7k, and outran both you(in a 38 I think), and I(In K4) to make it home and land kills. Im not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I would think that missing even 1/3 of your wing would reduce your speed considerably.
yes it should. I don't remember.... :salute