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Title: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Big Rat on January 09, 2010, 08:33:07 PM
The Ju-88 being one of the most versitile planes produced during world war 2, and yet we only have one variant.  Given that we already have the Ju-88A4 in game, couldn't we do something similiar to that of the B25's with weapon options.  Given it's payload and maneuverability for it's size, it could make a great attack plane, If it had the forward firepower of the fighter versions.  Something like this might even make the A20 a bit less common.

 :salute
BigRat 
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Nemisis on January 09, 2010, 09:18:46 PM
Are you suggesting that we put .50's in the nose of the Ju-88  :huh? If you have a variant in mind, please let us know, but we don't change armament from what is historicly accurate.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Krusty on January 09, 2010, 09:21:35 PM
The "fighter" versions of the Ju88 [Ju-88C and Ju-88G] were night fighters only. They carried no bombs and had no bomb sights.

Since this game doesn't do night fighting, onboard radar, or anything like that, I doubt we'll ever see them (much as I'd like to play around with Ju-88Gs!)
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: The Fugitive on January 09, 2010, 09:23:49 PM
Are you suggesting that we put .50's in the nose of the Ju-88  :huh? If you have a variant in mind, please let us know, but we don't change armament from what is historicly accurate.

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Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Lusche on January 09, 2010, 09:26:59 PM
The "fighter" versions of the Ju88 [Ju-88C and Ju-88G] were night fighters only.

Not all of them were nightfighters. Particularly some of the C variants were classified as "Zerstörer" (same as the early 110's), and used in that role for daylight fighting, mostly in Russia and on the Atlantic coast.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Nemisis on January 09, 2010, 09:30:00 PM
The Ju-88 being one of the most versitile planes produced during world war 2, and yet we only have one variant.  Given that we already have the Ju-88A4 in game, couldn't we do something similiar to that of the B25's with weapon options.


Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like a request for .50's in the Ju88?
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Krusty on January 09, 2010, 09:30:14 PM
This is news to me. However, come to think of it, I do recall seeing some 88Cs with "painted-on" canopies on the nose to make them look like normal bombers, but no radar sticking out of the nose.

That might explain it.

EDIT:

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like a request for .50's in the Ju88?

I think so, yes.  :D
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Baumer on January 09, 2010, 09:30:43 PM
I believe that during 1943, Ju88's were used during the day to intercept American bombers. They were primarily used to launch WGr21's and were not very effective. Once the escorts showed up the Ju88's were withdrawn and used only at night.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Nisky on January 09, 2010, 10:29:32 PM
On the Eastern front in 1943, 4./kg76 used the Ju88C-6 for train busting. To deceive soviet fighter pilots, they painted the nose to resemble a bomber with a glazed nose.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Big Rat on January 09, 2010, 10:30:32 PM
Lusche is correct from all that I have read on the c models.  Was really looking at the C versions, aramament changed between models but seems the common setup was one mg 151, one mg 15, and 3 mg 17's all fixed forward.  The big question is, did they carry bomb payloads or not.  Couldn't find a difinitive answer.  I did find it mentioned they were used for coastal and anti-shipping roles.  Anti-shipping would make me think they still carried a bomb load.  Only fighter variant I could find listing a bomb payload was the C2 with 550kg.  

 :salute
BigRat  
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: FTJR on January 09, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Were not the Ju88's used over the Bay of Biscay as fighters to intercept the Sunderlands and PBY's of Coastal Command?  I've read of Sunderlands been attacked by Ju88's. Though I dont know the Ju88's intended role there.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Banshee7 on January 09, 2010, 11:25:14 PM
How did I know you were going to post this?  :D  I say yes!  I need something else to kill new guys in.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Spikes on January 09, 2010, 11:26:34 PM

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like a request for .50's in the Ju88?
Yup.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: RaptorL on January 09, 2010, 11:56:13 PM
Bring it. +
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Templar on January 10, 2010, 12:07:03 AM
+1 But far down in the que for new or modified aircraft.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 10, 2010, 12:12:33 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like a request for .50's in the Ju88?

Yes.

BR, I like the sound of the idea. +1  :aok
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 10, 2010, 12:33:11 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like a request for .50's in the Ju88?

+4 on yes.

If you're not going to get out of the house, read a book.


wrongway
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Karnak on January 10, 2010, 01:17:19 AM
Mosquito fighters tangled with Ju88 fighters over Norway on multiple occasions.  Mosquito FB.Mk VIs vs Ju88C-6s mostly I believe.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Ghosth on January 10, 2010, 06:10:01 AM
Thing is guys its a variant, takes virtually nothing to build one because the work is already done.

Just a matter of swapping out the ord packages.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: JunkyII on January 10, 2010, 06:54:35 AM
Thing is guys its a variant, takes virtually nothing to build one because the work is already done.

Just a matter of swapping out the ord packages.
more of a reason to have it ;)

+1
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: TwinBoom on January 10, 2010, 08:26:11 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-484-2984-31A%2C_Flugzeug_Junkers_Ju_88.jpg)

(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7871/img20.jpg)
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Krusty on January 10, 2010, 07:36:48 PM
I'm pretty sure the -Cs only had 1x MG/FF (20mm) and 3x MG17 (7mm) guns. The G had the improved firepower, carrying 2x MG151/20s fixed forward, and 2 in upward firing positions in night fighters.

I think it'd be cool to tool around in a Ju88 fighter, but sitting duck against most planes attacking it ;)

It's like a Ju87, light on controls and nimble, but still can be killed.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Wmaker on January 10, 2010, 07:52:34 PM
This is news to me.

You have claimed the same thing on this board before and been corrected about it before aswell.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Big Rat on January 11, 2010, 07:09:12 PM
Mosquito fighters tangled with Ju88 fighters over Norway on multiple occasions.  Mosquito FB.Mk VIs vs Ju88C-6s mostly I believe.

I saw some film of this shot from a naval vessel at one time.  Wish I could recall where I saw it though.

 :salute
BigRat
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Nemisis on January 11, 2010, 07:17:49 PM
If you're not going to get out of the house, read a book.

Please expand on that wrong way. I don't really get what you mean by that. He said something like "a weapon loadout simmilar to that of the B-25H". Forgive me for thinking that, aside from the 75mm, the B-25 carrys only .50's.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2010, 07:30:56 PM

Am I the only one who thinks that sounds like a request for .50's in the Ju88?

Yes.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2010, 07:33:59 PM
Please expand on that wrong way. I don't really get what you mean by that. He said something like "a weapon loadout simmilar to that of the B-25H". Forgive me for thinking that, aside from the 75mm, the B-25 carrys only .50's.

He meant the different weapon packages similiar to how the B-25 has various weapon packages, for example the B-25C.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 11, 2010, 07:36:56 PM
Ju 88 fighter versions

Ju 88C
Zerstörer, fighter-bomber and night fighter, based on A-series, but with sheet metal nose.

Ju 88C-1
Planned fighter variant, powered by two BMW 801MA engines. Never built.

Ju 88C-2
Initial production variant.

Ju 88C-4
Heavy fighter, reconnaissance variant.

Ju 88C-5
Improved heavy fighter variant.

Ju 88C-6a
Improved Ju-88C-5 variant.

Ju 88C-7c
Heavy fighter variant.

Ju 88H-2
Fighter variant.

Ju 88H-4
Fighters variant.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: jay on January 11, 2010, 09:21:53 PM
alot of german planes had literaly had over 100 varients exp. the 190 had over 500 vareints in the war
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: Motherland on January 11, 2010, 09:24:47 PM
alot of german planes had literaly had over 100 varients exp. the 190 had over 500 vareints in the war
The Fw 190 did not have over 500 variants during the war unless you count factory and field kits. And that's just silly.
Title: Re: Fighter version of Ju-88
Post by: jay on January 11, 2010, 09:38:57 PM
The Fw 190 did not have over 500 variants during the war unless you count factory and field kits. And that's just silly.

heres a better answer it had ALOT