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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yeager on January 16, 2010, 12:57:55 PM
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Does it make sense to have a minimum number of sorties per catagory required before score is calculated? Say 15, maybe 20 sorties minimum per catagory.
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Are you suggesting it be like a golf handicap?
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Get rid of Rank altogether.
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Get rid of Rank altogether.
i think htc would have to fund councilling for certain players if you did that :eek:
my precious!!!
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stick with the question :aok
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Are you suggesting it be like a golf handicap?
how does a golf handicap work?
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how does a golf handicap work?
It makes a 3 hour round of golf last around about 6 hours...and makes golfers think golf is about getting a little white ball into a hole and counting the strokes it takes to do it.
As to the minimum sortie question, isn't this already a part of the scoring ranking system? Aren't say "Kill Points" counted in to stop players from flying one sortie and being ranked #1 on the strength of it?
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I'd guess that he's suggesting that the guys who get a few awesome flights in at the beginning of the TOD - then fly "attack" the rest of the month - not show in the rankings.
I don't care either way (personally).
One of the few useful things about how it is now is that if you are a fighter pilot that does a single milk run in the other categories, you can sometimes wrest the carrier away from some dope who wants to beach it under the shore battery before it gets sunk.
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Does it make sense to have a minimum number of sorties per catagory required before score is calculated? Say 15, maybe 20 sorties minimum per catagory.
Check out the Cowboys from Hell im sure they'll give a minimum. wow 2 sorties 2 kills i get rank of 800 fighter pfftt.
Score means nothing anymore to me untill a tard grabs a CV for score hoing!
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I'd guess that he's suggesting that the guys who get a few awesome flights in at the beginning of the TOD - then fly "attack" the rest of the month - not show in the rankings.
I don't care either way (personally).
One of the few useful things about how it is now is that if you are a fighter pilot that does a single milk run in the other categories, you can sometimes wrest the carrier away from some dope who wants to beach it under the shore battery before it gets sunk.
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Iagree
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Does it make sense to have a minimum number of sorties per catagory required before score is calculated?
There already is a minimum: 1
Seems to work fine to me.
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Does it make sense to have a minimum number of sorties per catagory required before score is calculated? Say 15, maybe 20 sorties minimum per catagory.
You know, i was going to ask the same last month. MW had dotcomi ranked 1 for fighter with 1 sorty and 7 vulches lol. I d say 10 sorties minimum or no score. Or something like that lol
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You know, i was going to ask the same last month. MW had dotcomi ranked 1 for fighter with 1 sorty and 7 vulches lol. I d say 10 sorties minimum or no score. Or something like that lol
lol I just looked... was a couple who tried that.
It's broke they should discontinue it.
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Also, if plane on the runway score it as attack object. Its worth the whines if nothing else lol
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lol
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15 or 20? I just took a look and seems like it needs to be 40-50 sorties in Fighter Mode to get scored......3-4 people seem to have 30-40 sorties in fighter mode a tour for the last 4 tours......makes score weak
:salute
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Actually this would make reaching that #1 spot a bit harder.
Especially if the # of flights for one category was a Significant % of the other sorties you've flown.
And rather than a # I think it should be a percentage, like 25% or 33%.
So if you flew 100 sorties in attack mode you'd need 25 sorties in fighter mode to qualify.
Encouraging the well rounded balanced player. And lowering the impact of 1 or 2 good sorties at the start of the tour.
But ultimately score is all about those who will fly to manipulate it.
Rather than post each category, I'd rather see them reward the player who had the best average of all category's.
Yes, including bombers and GV's.
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I understand the request and trying to limit those who fly a handfull of exceptional fighter sorties then fly attack mode the rest of the camp but what about guys like me who don't play as much? I become a rankless player?
Not that these are any great numbers but this represents half my playing time this month. The other half has been in GV's.
Kills 12
Assists 1
Sorties 8
Landed 5
Bailed 2
Ditched 0
Captured 1
Deaths 0
Discos 0
Time hh:mm:ss 02:25:59
Rank 414
I actually like to look at my stats/ranks to see where I stand against others in the arena, even if my playtime is limited.
This would just give me one less reason to play the game.
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I understand the request and trying to limit those who fly a handfull of exceptional fighter sorties then fly attack mode the rest of the camp but what about guys like me who don't play as much? I become a rankless player?
Not that these are any great numbers but this represents half my playing time this month. The other half has been in GV's.
Kills 12
Assists 1
Sorties 8
Landed 5
Bailed 2
Ditched 0
Captured 1
Deaths 0
Discos 0
Time hh:mm:ss 02:25:59
Rank 414
I actually like to look at my stats/ranks to see where I stand against others in the arena, even if my playtime is limited.
This would just give me one less reason to play the game.
Thats where a problem comes up and probably why they will never change it. Some people dont game the system, they just fly and use it to check their personal progress :salute
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Get rid of Rank altogether.
+1
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Does it make sense to have a minimum number of sorties per catagory required before score is calculated? Say 15, maybe 20 sorties minimum per catagory.
what about those of us tht can't always make that many?
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keep rank. have fun and fly, drive and boating. :aok
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how does HTC describe their ranking system? Is it on the web page? Tried looking cant find it....
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how does HTC describe their ranking system? Is it on the web page? Tried looking cant find it....
You have a particular question? :)
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You have a particular question? :)
how does it work?
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how does it work?
Very simple:
For each scoring category, players are sorted and assigned a rank#. Best K/D in fighters is #1, second best is #2 and so on. Same with K/S, K/H and Kill points. All those rank numbers are added. Player with smallest total # gets fighter rank number 1.
The same is done with bombers, attackers, GV.
Best overall player is the one with lowest total sum of fighter, attacker, bomber and GV rank.
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Even a minimum 10 sorties in a given category would end some of the afore-mentioned dweebishness
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Even a minimum 10 sorties in a given category would end some of the afore-mentioned dweebishness
At least in LW, with only 1 or 2 sorties in fighter mode you won't get any good rank at all, because you simply don't get enough points. Set a 10 sortie minimum, and nothing much will change.
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Some numbers:
In tour 118, there were 5487 players ranked in fighter mode with at least one sortie.
Average sorties per player: 72
Max sorties: 1308
1441 (26%) players had less than 10 sorties
1340 (24%) players had more than 100 sorties
66 (1.2%) player had more than 500 sorties
The top 10 ranked players in fighter mode had flown
280
107
175
125
163
186
59
91
117
21
sorties respectively
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The minimum sortie thing, IMO, would be more for the guy who is happy to have his fighter rank under 400--attainable with 1-2 carefully-chosen horde-missions, which will enable an overall rank of <50ish
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I understand the request and trying to limit those who fly a handfull of exceptional fighter sorties then fly attack mode the rest of the camp but what about guys like me who don't play as much? I become a rankless player?
I actually like to look at my stats/ranks to see where I stand against others in the arena, even if my playtime is limited.
This would just give me one less reason to play the game.
Actually, it will give u a better idea on where u are standing. Right now you are comparibg yourself to people that put one good vulch together. Doesnt really tell u anything about you. Im not saying to take your stats away. You can still see them. Just dont count the score on the final rankings
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Actually, it will give u a better idea on where u are standing. Right now you are comparibg yourself to people that put one good vulch together. Doesnt really tell u anything about you. Im not saying to take your stats away. You can still see them. Just dont count the score on the final rankings
Not to mention one guy flies all the uber planes to get rank..... where #20 in a p-40 is much better.
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Has anyone noticed, that apparently nobody cares about score, but always claim everybody else does? :bolt:
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stick with the question :aok
how does a golf handicap work?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Bald, thats why I suggested a %
So if you had 8 sorties as attack, you'd need at least 2 sorties in each other category to be eligible.
Promoting the well rounded player. And making it harder to fly 1 or 2 sorties as fighter with lots of help, vulches and the rest as attack.
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Has anyone noticed, that apparently nobody cares about score, but always claim everybody else does? :bolt:
There are quite a few that do think score means something. It's just always seems broke. Many of us look for the fun and damn the score.
BTW like your ava. :aok
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Get rid of Rank altogether.
I agree. But: Lets be honest.
If they did that how else would they sell the wannabe-pilet uberness on their webpage to a prospective sucker........ Its the bait on the hook to compete and be ranked with the elitist of the game. Its the first thing you see.
Most of us know the dweebery these guys do to get ranked month after month, Its usually the same ones.
Yet its proudly displayed as some contest or badge of honor that they have achieved against all odds or some awesome ability, yet most of them are there not for any of these reasons, they consistently are there for learning how to manipulate their scores by exploiting the game irregularities. Nothing more.
Dont get me wrong, some are decent sticks, timid, but decent sticks. They just know how to: and by the term "game the game".
Congrats on your achievements by the way. Kudos. ;)
January 4, 2010
Main Arena Tour 119 Completed
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Kudos to the top pilots of Tour 119. Early, Mid, and Late War Tour 120 has now begun.
----->Late War
Top Overall Ranking – Hoagi, runner-up pacerr
Top Fighter Ranking – Grizz, runner-up Wmaker
Top Bomber Ranking – Boom, runner-up Chalenge
Top Attack Ranking – Snailman, runner-up Ammo
Top Vehicle Ranking – SHawk, runner-up pacerr
----->Mid War
Top Overall Ranking – 1IH420, runner-up Dotcommi
Top Fighter Ranking – Shuffler, runner-up Dotcommi
Top Bomber Ranking – BobCat1, runner-up Bul1dog2
Top Attack Ranking – RS59, runner-up 1IH420
Top Vehicle Ranking – 1IH420, runner-up TonyJoey
----->Early War
Top Overall Ranking – flatiron, runner-up 2AEvan
Top Fighter Ranking – IrishOne, runner-up Banshee7
Top Bomber Ranking – flatiron, runner-up Mato
Top Attack Ranking – Pluto, runner-up flatiron
Top Vehicle Ranking – flatiron, runner-up 1MADDOG1
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Yet its proudly displayed as some contest or badge of honor that they have achieved against all odds or some awesome ability,
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Kudos to the top pilots of Tour 119. Early, Mid, and Late War Tour 120 has now begun.
Someone notice than almost all of that "top ranked" guys never mention their rank or score in any way? I can't remember one of those having bragged about their rank.
Indeed, the only ones constantly talking about score are the ones that say they do not care :lol
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That's embarrassing :cry
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Someone notice than almost all of that "top ranked" guys never mention their rank or score in any way? I can't remember one of those having bragged about their rank.
Why would they brag about doing something that they know would embarrass them? Would you? They know there is nothing to brag about in the way they achieve their rank.
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Why would they brag about doing something that they know would embarrass them? Would you? They know there is nothing to brag about in the way they achieve their rank.
Ok.. I am amongst "them"... which way I do achieve my #1 rank?
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Ok.. I am amongst "them"... which way I do achieve my #1 rank?
Do tell.
This is going to be good.
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Do tell.
This is going to be good.
Nice dodge. You are the one claiming to know how I do. Now tell me, and explain what part of it is "nothing to brag about".
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Why would they brag about doing something that they know would embarrass them? Would you? They know there is nothing to brag about in the way they achieve their rank.
Umm.... I was just flying. Most all of mine is low alt (5k and less). Rarely will you see me above 10k. I'm just in my big ol' 38.
While what you say may be true in some cases.... it is not in mine. I did not even know I was on there till someone brought it to my attention. If anything it just proves rank means nothing.
I don't like being on the front page of AH. I've always been one to think they should stop posting those on the site. Leave it for folks who may be interested in it to look it up.
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Nice dodge. You are the one claiming to know how I do. Now tell me, and explain what part of it is "nothing to brag about".
:rofl Dodge? Lets get it from the horses mouth since now you want to represent the lollipop guild
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:rofl Dodge? Lets get it from the horses mouth since now you want to represent the lollipop guild
You are still doing it.
You are claiming you know exactly how "we" achieve our top ranks (putting totally players like Grizz, pacerr, Snailman & Shuffler in the same basket). When being asked how, you dodge.
And I'm not representing anyone but me.
So you gonna answer my question, or do you just continue ranting?
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:rofl My word against yours, a pissing match? We can do this all day.
Instead, if you choose to. You can state how "you" do "it". Convince everyone that "dont know" that what your doing is clearly not gaming the game if you will.
So, either put up or shut up. Your explanation will be interesting to say the least of how "you" do "it".
While I am out for lunch, this should give you plenty of time to give us the know how......... :rolleyes:
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So, either put up or shut up.
:lol
You should heed your own words. You made claims, not me. You are saying I am gaming the game... so do explain how. I was the one asking you a question, you refused to answer.
Troll on! :)
Lusche out.
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I know how Lusche does it... at least in a tank.
He's got the optics down cold, and one of the few times I ventured into a tank he killed me from if I remember right between 4 and 5 KM out. It's been a while, but I think I it was on the 3rd shot - what I mostly remember was I hadn't even figured out what general direction whatever was shooting me was by the time I was dead.
Folks can argue that they are lame for doing so, but one thing I know for sure is that the guys who end up on the "front page" do so by do being far far better at most of the game - and perhaps everything in the game - than I'll probably ever be.
So... if that's their thing, so be it, more power to them. If it happens to 'em by accident, so be it, cudos. And if there are plenty of players better than one or some of them that don't, then... so be it.
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:lol
You should heed your own words. You made claims, not me. You are saying I am gaming the game... so do explain how. I was the one asking you a question, you refused to answer.
Troll on! :)
Lusche out.
Figures...... :rolleyes:
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That's embarrassing :cry
171 kills with 21 deaths in 79 fighter sorties is very respectable for mid war.
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It really matters little to me whether it is changed or not. I stopped looking at my score to see how I compare with others, and instead use it to earmark areas I want to improve. The game became way more fun for me at this point. Now I just find red guys and engage them with no worries about what's going to happen to my score. The funny thing is, my score has actually improved. My .02 cents~
Way
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In place of score, how about we have a peer-awarded kudos system each month - you see some guy pull some physics defying maneuver to reverse on to your six, you give him a big salute and award kudos. Player with most kudos awaded at the end of the month gets their name in lights on the web page...
If nothing else, it should make for some fun times on 200. :D
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In place of score, how about we have a peer-awarded kudos system each month - you see some guy pull some physics defying maneuver to reverse on to your six, you give him a big salute and award kudos. Player with most kudos awaded at the end of the month gets their name in lights on the web page...
If nothing else, it should make for some fun times on 200. :D
What are kudos worth in American dollars? :lol
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Ok.. I am amongst "them"... which way I do achieve my #1 rank?
You tell me. A minimum shorty number would not effect you, would it? Counting vulches as attack would not effect you would it? Sooooo, whats the problem here? Lets make score mean something and i will be happy to try for it.
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You tell me. A minimum shorty number would not effect you, would it? Counting vulches as attack would not effect you would it? Sooooo, whats the problem here? Lets make score mean something and i will be happy to try for it.
20 sorty/shorty minimum and whoever has the most sheep at the end of the month.
Extra ataboys if the sheep are happy.
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My trick in LW is upping a fighter plane where there are a lot of bad guys and shooting down as many as I can. It's pretty gamey I know.
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15 or 20? I just took a look and seems like it needs to be 40-50 sorties in Fighter Mode to get scored......3-4 people seem to have 30-40 sorties in fighter mode a tour for the last 4 tours......makes score weak
:salute
Maybe that's just the amount of times they've upped a fighter or just don't have the time. I know I have less than 30 fighter sorties this tour in the MW, which is where I usually spend most of my time.
ack-ack
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My trick in LW is upping a fighter plane where there are a lot of bad guys and shooting down as many as I can. It's pretty gamey I know.
YOU DWEEB :P
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I have film of it shuffler, I sent it to HTC. Disgrace to the game
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Most of us know the dweebery these guys do to get ranked month after month, Its usually the same ones.
Yet its proudly displayed as some contest or badge of honor that they have achieved against all odds or some awesome ability, yet most of them are there not for any of these reasons, they consistently are there for learning how to manipulate their scores by exploiting the game irregularities. Nothing more.
Dont get me wrong, some are decent sticks, timid, but decent sticks. They just know how to: and by the term "game the game".
I've been ranked in the top 10 overall on several occasions and I did nothing other than play the game. I didn't "exploit game irregularities". I also didn't fly attack planes unless I was flying heavy and bombing something. Nor did I fly timidly or get my kills by vulching (I used to get 2-4 kills/camp that way out of hundreds).
I will concede that I went so far as to bomb strats though and spawn camp on occasion. Pretty gamey stuff huh? Like no "legitimate" player does the same things.
Frankly, if you're at all above average ranking in the top 10 isn't that hard without gaming anything. It seems to me that those who whine about it either don't care enough to try or aren't good enough to get there.
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Must be the reason eagle. Do you understand that if you do what you say you do, a min number of shorties will not effect you? Maybe you end up #3 instead of 10?
Seems to me people dont get what the request is or . . .
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What I mean to say is: to get ranked in the overall catagory people should be required to generate a minimum number of sorties per catagory that washes out the one sortie luck streaks. 15-20 sorties should give a more rounded expression of how well people manage their skill sets. Im not looking at the best fighter, or best GVr, if people only fly one fighter sortie or one bomber sortie then let those stats stand alone, just for the combined rank, the one the allows control of the naval assets.....require a factored average .
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remove score just have general stats :old:
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Must be the reason eagle. Do you understand that if you do what you say you do, a min number of shorties will not effect you? Maybe you end up #3 instead of 10?
Seems to me people dont get what the request is or . . .
I think he's responding to Dadsgun's assertion that if you end up on the main page at the end of each tour it's because you got there by gaming the game. While it may be true for some players, there are some that end up on the list by doing nothing other than just flying. I usually end up somewhere in the top 3 each tour in the MW arena without even trying to play for any sort of rank or score. Out of the 18 deaths I have in fighters this tour, only 6 of those were the result of being shot down by another player. The other 12 were from augering because I either augered to up somewhere else for a fight or didn't feel like flying all the way back to base. Hardly something someone does if they are playing for score.
As for the OP's idea, having a mimimum required amount of sorties? While I do not play for rank, I know that some do and a few of those players will do whatever it takes to get their name in lights. There are quite a few in the MW arena that will fly a sortie or two and go either buff hunting or vulching to get as many kills as possible in those first few sorties. Afterwards they then switch to attack mode and fly the rest of the tour under that scoring so they don't 'ruin' their fighter rank. Having a miminum number of sorties required before the scoring kicks in will help eliminate gaming the ranking system in such a manner.
ack-ack
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Must be the reason eagle. Do you understand that if you do what you say you do, a min number of shorties will not effect you? Maybe you end up #3 instead of 10?
Seems to me people dont get what the request is or . . .
I totally get what the request is for. The problem I have with it is that when I was ranking high I was flying/playing 60-120 hours per month. If I was still doing that I might be more willing to go along with the idea but the fact is that for months now I'm lucky if I crack 10 hours. That means I'm not going to hit any kind of minimums, therefore, I will be an unranked player even though I might actually be flying/playing better than the vast majority of those in the arenas.
As for Ghosth's idea regarding making it a percentage, with my limited play time as of late, I rarely fly bombers or attack and spend my time doing the two things I enjoy the most, flying fighters and playing in GV's so the end result is the same. I'm an unranked player.
The problem is that whatever you do in this regard penalizes those who don't play much and, as I said earlier, would give me at least, one less reason to play.
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The problem is that whatever you do in this regard penalizes those who don't play much and, as I said earlier, would give me at least, one less reason to play.
Why would a player who doesn't play much even care if he is ranked? Do you really expect/care to get a good rank while not attaining a reasonable minimum number of sorties per month?
I used to think some sort of minimum was needed too but the guys who care about putting up inflated stats in one category would still do the same thing to meet the minimum requirements whatever HTC put it as. If the min # of sorties in Fighter Mode to attain rank was for example, 30, pacerr and gang would have 30 sorties in Fighter Mode all coming from vulches and soft fights.
As long as players have the option to choose their type of fight on the global map, there's no way to eliminate gaming the game. In the tower you get to choose what you want to do, fly outnumbered or fly with the numbers? The hard fight where you have to work for each kill or the soft fight where you can cherry pick surrounded by green? It's obviously not always cut and dry and fights do change rather quickly sometimes, but the score guys gravitate towards soft fights and will always move to the other side of the map if the fight they are involved in gets tough or turns defensive. The only time I've ever killed a guy like pacerr was when I was flying through a sea of red in a jet or ta152 and popped an unsuspecting pacerr lining up for a vulch. Never will you fight your way to an enemy base and kill a pacerr-type player defending in the trenches. It just doesn't happen. He will be in the tower sipping on coffee watching the carnage from the window while planning his 3:1 advantage-based pick fest on the other side of the map. Fight selection from the tower is the single most gamey fair scoring hindrance.
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Well I thought I would chime in on this. It is a good question IMHO.
One observation. When I fly a lot or only just a bit over various camps I seem to always end up in about the same region of the pack. Regardless of the total number of Sorties I flew.
But I do realize that Score and Ranking within the community does mean something to many palyers. For me, it doesnt really matter that much but at best it does give me some level of a feel of where I might be within the scope of the overall community. But I fly for fun and for a distraction from Real Life. So my Ranking or Score are not my primary motivation.
However that being said, and considering my observations as to what Score / Ranking I end up with each camp I dont really care if this game goes to a Minimum Number of Sorties Flown for your scores to be registered on the official score board. I am pretty sure HiTech has the stats to back up if it would make a difference overall or not.
And yeah I do see that somebody could jump in grab several fast kills, land em and bail for the rest of the camp for the purpose of elevating their rank. But I dont see that happening on a regular basis so I dont really see a need to move in that direction. But if HiTech did.... wouldnt mean much to me. Just my opinion.
Later,
KayBay :cool:
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Why don't they combine the fighter/attack catagories into one?
I'm bettin that most of the top scoring "attack" boiz haven't really flown that many true (heavy) attack sorties.
Just have one catagory, "Plane". :airplane:
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I totally get what the request is for. The problem I have with it is that when I was ranking high I was flying/playing 60-120 hours per month. If I was still doing that I might be more willing to go along with the idea but the fact is that for months now I'm lucky if I crack 10 hours. That means I'm not going to hit any kind of minimums, therefore, I will be an unranked player even though I might actually be flying/playing better than the vast majority of those in the arenas.
As for Ghosth's idea regarding making it a percentage, with my limited play time as of late, I rarely fly bombers or attack and spend my time doing the two things I enjoy the most, flying fighters and playing in GV's so the end result is the same. I'm an unranked player.
The problem is that whatever you do in this regard penalizes those who don't play much and, as I said earlier, would give me at least, one less reason to play.
I guess if you look at it like that you are right. However, not exactly what I am suggesting. I should have said not to qualify for the #1 or #2 spot in the front page. I think with only 10 hours you could not occupy that spot anyway unless you were gaming it somehow. I also think it is not fair to you, if you are trying to get a rank, to have to compete with these guys.
I am not saying or even implying that every one with a good score does that. I used a specific example (dotcomi) in MW that was ranked #1 for 3 weeks until the bomber dweeb beat him. I think it would make it more fair to anyone trying. And really, what does ranked #10 mean when you know half the guys ahead of you should not be there?
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I guess if you look at it like that you are right. However, not exactly what I am suggesting. I should have said not to qualify for the #1 or #2 spot in the front page. I think with only 10 hours you could not occupy that spot anyway unless you were gaming it somehow. I also think it is not fair to you, if you are trying to get a rank, to have to compete with these guys.
I am not saying or even implying that every one with a good score does that. I used a specific example (dotcomi) in MW that was ranked #1 for 3 weeks until the bomber dweeb beat him. I think it would make it more fair to anyone trying. And really, what does ranked #10 mean when you know half the guys ahead of you should not be there?
True all true :rofl
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remove score just have general stats :old:
I would agree but what about allowing player control of the naval component?
Warbirds used to have a great feature that did exactly that but it was seperate from the game, maintained by a player. I forget the guys name, but it was very useful to players and enjoyable to read the way it displayed the data, graphical.
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The naval side could be related to another thread awhile back. Whoever had control was reponsible for it's health or demise. They also had to be in close proximity, either on or near in a plane. If your in control and any ships meet their end, points would be subtracted.
You would not be able to take command and sail it into harms way and bail right before it is destroyed. Either the last person in control is penalized or there could be some time frame after release that the individual would still be accountable or until a new comander stepped in.
Good question Yeager.
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I used a specific example (dotcomi) in MW that was ranked #1 for 3 weeks until the bomber dweeb beat him. I think it would make it more fair to anyone trying. And really, what does ranked #10 mean when you know half the guys ahead of you should not be there?
Dotcommi is a perfect example of someone that will fly a sortie or two under attack trying to get as many kills as possible by either vulching or buff hunting. After they get those one or two sorties under 'fighter', they switch to 'attack' and fly all of their fighter sorties under that category.
Text book example of score/rank system being manipulated (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/pilot.php?selectTour=MWTour119&playername=Dotcommi&action=1).
ack-ack
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remove score just have general stats :old:
there is that too, but it will never happen. Everything competitive needs some kind of ranking. So, lets try to make it more meaningful
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My trick in LW is upping a fighter plane where there are a lot of bad guys and shooting down as many as I can. It's pretty gamey I know.
aww damn grizz, you just told everyone our secret =/