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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: humble on January 27, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs&feature=player_embedded)
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:rofl Me and my professor were actually talking about this earlier today in Network Security class.
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I predict apart from the usual fan buyup ipad will go the way of the newton. It's an oversized overpriced ipod touch, and has some glaring functionality issues. Gimme an Ideapad S10 anyday :)
(waits for the fanboy flames)
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iPod = game-changer.
iPad = Betamax-level failure, I predict.
Computer cables up skirts = oddly arousing... BRB.
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I thought the clip was funny = haha...
As for the Ipad....funny = bust
what a dud
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Yeah all it is is a giant iphone. This is Apples attempt to get into the netbook market, but I think the whole netbook thing is gonna be a failure.
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Bet that would have great lift when thrown, Well until the double 00 buckshot hits it. :devil
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Oh my... his small laptop has no screen protection or storage.
PASS
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Yeah all it is is a giant iphone. This is Apples attempt to get into the netbook market, but I think the whole netbook thing is gonna be a failure.
I like the concept...but really a 15" laptop is small enough...I guess for travel purposes though. I was going to buy a netbook when I got my new laptop just to have...woulda been a waste of money.
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:rofl
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I just wonder if it will run EVE Online :devil :pray
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Yeah all it is is a giant iphone. This is Apples attempt to get into the netbook market, but I think the whole netbook thing is gonna be a failure.
Errr I dunno, there's some cool netbooks hitting the market this year.... like this baby (US$499 rrp):
(http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/S10-3t_3.jpg)
(http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lenovo-ideapad-S10-3t-specifications.jpg)
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Errr I dunno, there's some cool netbooks hitting the market this year.... like this baby (US$499 rrp):
(http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/S10-3t_3.jpg)
(http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lenovo-ideapad-S10-3t-specifications.jpg)
I just think that people would rather just get a laptop then a netbook, but I guess will just have to wait and see if the market is there.
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iPad = iPod on a period
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iPad = iPod on a period
iPod? I think it's more like an iPhone then anything.
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I would love something like iPad, it's just the right size too. If there isn't any unreasonable europe fine in the price with it I just might buy it, even though I generally dislike Apple's products. Although there may be limitations that may well prevent me from buying it.
Too bad that laptops and such usually only provide DVI/VGA out but not DVI/VGA in. Touchscreen computer could be then easily used as a second display at home - with the touchscreen!
Another thing that I would like would be a similar concept of the size of a 4" GPS navigator along with the functionality. I tend to have navigator in the pocket every now and then, but it can't be used for anything else, even though it would be a perfect electronic notebook. Navigators can be easily carried with you when you need it. They're also bigger than cellphones, which makes them much more convenient to use. I prefer to have a smaller cellphone than a brick.
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iPod? I think it's more like an iPhone then anything.
It's mostly a big ipod touch, which is an iphone without the phone part. The ipad does everything an iphone does, except let you make phone calls. I think this will be the sole reason it will see lower than expected sales. If it could make calls, an ipad with a bluetooth headset would be very trendy and useful. As it is, you'll have to carry both a phone and the ipad, and people will end up just leaving the ipad at home because their phone will be almost as useful and why carry duplicate gadgets.
And that's the second major drawback to the ipad... It is still an appliance or gadget, not a computer. The applications are all locked down, to the point where it is clear that even after the sale, the ipad still isn't yours to do whatever you want with it. At least with a real apple computer, you could freely write and run any program you want. Or buy/download any program and run it. With the iphone, ipod touch, and now ipad, you are buying a gadget, a fancy kitchen appliance with utility limited to whatever apple deems appropriate.
To heck with that, I don't need a gadget nanny. My kindle is the only appliance of this sort that I'll buy. Everything else I do needs a real computer, not a gadget.
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What eagl said...
As above, no USB (host): why do I need USB host: I'd like to use my phone or 3G stick I already own. Or attach my camera to download photo's to it. I still have to own a computer of some sort to get photo's from my phone to it, if I travel that means a laptop. If I have a laptop why do I need an $1000 ipad?
No flash slots: as above with regards to the camera. Or even exchanging files/pdf's with people. If I go visit someone who has some documents for me, they have to email me (assuming I'm within wifi range - screw having Mb's of 3G data charges). Once again I need my laptop to get the documents on there.
No multitasking? For me that means no 3rd party networking apps, like SSL VPN clients, which means no access to my corporate intranet, or client sites that I support. I still need my laptop nearby. But the ipad would still need my laptop to exist.
No camera? Hello apple? How simple would a camera be?
GPS? No, it's aGPS, which means no GPS on the wifi models on GPS on the 3G models (not due til mid year) only if your telco supports it.
It probably means no tethered phones either, I don't want to have mobile phone accounts. I want to use my cellphone as either a bluetooth or USB modem (but apple won't let me do that).
IMHO the ipad is to reliant on the host pc/mac to be useful. It needs to be more of an independent device.
I use an ultraportable notebook (NEC S9100), and it's great, I could easily move to a device like the Ideapad, it woudl cover pretty much all I do now.
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Another thing it's missing is that is doesn't support Flash which is something you might want in a product that's gonna be used to surf the net, because if it supported flash then you would be able to use Flash apps that you didn't buy from their app store.
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Yeah all it is is a giant iphone.
Either that or Steve Jobs has shrunk...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs&feature=player_embedded)
lol
What's even more hilarious is the fact that that video is over two years old... :lol
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That ideapad looks cool, mini version of the Gateway one...really don't see much use for it though. Like said above, why would you want to carry that and a phone, when most phones can do that everything the ipad can anyway...just a bigger screen.
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There will be plenty of clowns who buy it. Look at the ebook reader market. This could be one of those with more bells and whistles.
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As an e-book reader it could be a winner. I could see these doing really well if apple managed some content arrangements with text book publishers. much easier to truck a iPad about the uni than bound books.
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As an e-book reader it could be a winner. I could see these doing really well if apple managed some content arrangements with text book publishers. much easier to truck a iPad about the uni than bound books.
but school textbooks will be the last to go digital. i could almost say never.
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So, apparently iPad does have the same operating system as iPhone. That'll make it an expensive brick. I really didn't think that Apple would be that stupid.
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What eagl said...
As above, no USB (host): why do I need USB host: I'd like to use my phone or 3G stick I already own. Or attach my camera to download photo's to it. I still have to own a computer of some sort to get photo's from my phone to it, if I travel that means a laptop. If I have a laptop why do I need an $1000 ipad?
Not to disagree with anyone, but there will be a new camera connector, I have the old connector, doesn't work on iphone, but am mildly excited about the camera connection kit (if it's like the old one, you'll plug your digital camera into the iPad, and it'll download all images to your photo library)
"Connectivity, the 30-pin connector on the bottom of the iPad allows you to dock and charge it. It also lets you connect to iPad accessories like the Camera Connection Kit and the Keyboard Dock."
I'll be honest, I would like one, but would use it mostly as an e-reader I think.
Steely
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So, apparently iPad does have the same operating system as iPhone. That'll make it an expensive brick. I really didn't think that Apple would be that stupid.
:confused: explain?
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:confused: explain?
Not sure but I think he means because it wont have a filing system in it.
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:confused: explain?
From what I've heard it doesn't have Flash or multitasking in the background, just like iphone.. Who knows what else is gimped.
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ok, just that brick normally means "a device that cannot function in any capacity (such as a device with damaged firmware)"
I can think of a few things the iPad would be useful for me to have around, just not enough to buy one. then again I'm one of the few people around that doesnt own an iPod :)
edit: actually I did buy a refurbed nano when our music on hold CD system died for our PBX, jury-rigged a charging cable from the PBX 5v supply (the ipod battery functions as a UPS for it now). pressed play over 2 years ago and its still playing - pretty impressive :aok
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(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4605/26453z.jpg)
The more I learn about iPad the less I like it. How can they screw it up like this? Unbelievable.
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(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4605/26453z.jpg)
The more I learn about iPad the less I like it. How can they screw it up like this? Unbelievable.
That image is EXACTLY what I think is wrong with the ipad... It is a big itouch, a gimmicky toy or entertainment device. If it had been a bridge between the itouch/iphone and a real computer, mostly by including external ports and not being locked into apple approved applications, then I could see myself buying one. If it was a real computer, it could have been really useful to me. But it isn't.
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i notice the touchscreen, battery life, weight and thickness have been ... conveniently omitted from that comparison. wonder why :headscratch:
given the ubiquity of wireless these days what features do you think are missing in the comparison?
btw the iPad does have a stereo headphone jack, and a SD card adapter is available
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That image is EXACTLY what I think is wrong with the ipad... It is a big itouch, a gimmicky toy or entertainment device. If it had been a bridge between the itouch/iphone and a real computer, mostly by including external ports and not being locked into apple approved applications, then I could see myself buying one. If it was a real computer, it could have been really useful to me. But it isn't.
Indeed, I would also need a "real computer" rather than an enlarged iPhone. I assumed it as self-evident that iPad will be like a minilaptop without keyboard, but this approach really surprised me.
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mostly by including external ports
which ports would you want?
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I think its best use is more Kindle DX related than iPhone related and for the money it blows Kindle out of the water. Even so it wont be wise to even think about getting one until 2nd Gen the way Apple screws things up and getting stuck with AT&T Customer No Service? No thanks.
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which ports would you want?
A simple USB port would have been nice.
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for what?
edit: btw the "camera connecting kit" is actually just a USB adapter ...
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So you can hook an iPhone to it in order to share files between each other and you become a self-contained network of one labeled iStupid? :)
Just a guess, mind you.
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So you can hook an iPhone to it in order to share files between each other and you become a self-contained network of one labeled iStupid? :)
Just a guess, mind you.
:rofl
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I dont have an iPhone (yet), how do you do filesharing on them? they both have bluetooth builtin, can you use this?
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for what?
edit: btw the "camera connecting kit" is actually just a USB adapter ...
See how they do that, instead of just making it a feature, they make you spend more money.
And what do you mean for what, there's a lot of things you could connect to it with one, for one you could connect your ipod or any mp3 player to transfer music.
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could you not do that via bluetooth or wifi?
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There will be plenty of clowns who buy it. Look at the ebook reader market. This could be one of those with more bells and whistles.
The e-book market (if we're both talking about Amazon's Kindle) is actually fairing better than I expected.
I don't own one, but I have purchased three as gifts and it is a rather impressive product. When it was first released, I figured it would flop. But, it didnt. It's simple, functional and, especially for those who spend a lot of time on airplanes, very useful when compared to the option of lugging heavy books around.
That said, its focused. Its a tool for downloading and reading (on a brilliant, non-headache-inducing screen) everything from newspapers to novels.
I'm still trying to figure out what the iPad is supposed to be used for... So far as I can tell, it's got no focus. Its just a gadget.
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could you not do that via bluetooth or wifi?
Not everyone has wifi or Bluetooth for their mp3 players, plus wouldn't it just be easier to plug it into the iPad to do it. Plus there are other things a USB port would be used for, I mean it's not like it takes up so much space & weights so much that it wouldn't have been doable to add it, it's just Apple finding another way to get you to fork over more money making you buy it separate.
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From what I've heard it doesn't have Flash or multitasking in the background, just like iphone.. Who knows what else is gimped.
its definitely not a web browser withoit flash support.
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its definitely not a web browser withoit flash support.
Apple doesn't like Flash because it would allow other companies to get their software onto their products, which would mean that you don't have to get all your app's & music from the iTunes store, Apple likes to have total dominance over it's products no matter how it effects your web browsing capabilities..
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Not everyone has wifi or Bluetooth for their mp3 players, plus wouldn't it just be easier to plug it into the iPad to do it.
can you do that with an iPhone? or any other phones or e-book readers? infact do any of those devices run flashplayer?
my take is its supposed to be a standalone peripheral, likes phones or mp3 players rather than a PC replacement. thats why I asked about the USB port, you could reasonably want card readers, removable storage, more power etc etc as well but all these things add weight and bulk, and reduce battery life. and that market is already very well served by the smaller laptops.
I can imagine using it a fair bit, but not enough to justify the cost.
edit: I thought youtube was flash-based, so how does it play youtube vids? :headscratch:
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can you do that with an iPhone? or any other phones or e-book readers? infact do any of those devices run flashplayer?
my take is its supposed to be a standalone peripheral, likes phones or mp3 players rather than a PC replacement. thats why I asked about the USB port, you could reasonably want card readers, removable storage, more power etc etc as well but all these things add weight and bulk, and reduce battery life. and that market is already very well served by the smaller laptops.
I can imagine using it a fair bit, but not enough to justify the cost.
edit: I thought youtube was flash-based, so how does it play youtube vids? :headscratch:
If they had added a USB port to it the weight would be so minuscule you wouldn't notice. I'm not really sure what you would define the iPad as, but it would be as close to a netbook as you could get and I just think Apple really missed the mark with this thing, I mean the features they left out of it are just ridiculous, like no multitasking, flash support(but that was no surprise), USB port, & camera.
As for YouTube they've started experimenting with using HTML5 video players.
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which ports would you want?
Mini display port. Mini usb. eSATA would be nice but optional. Stereo audio output and microphone input (might be there, but the announcement talks about mono speaker, so...?) SDHC card port, or even microSD.
An IR port so ipads could talk to each other would be neat, but palm never could get the IR communication thing to catch on, so maybe Apple didn't consider it because of that failure. Almost no laptops have IR ports anymore. I used my IR port all the time when I was using my palm pilot, but I haven't used one in a while. Still, an IR port would allow the thing to serve as a huge programmable TV remote or to accept inputs from an IR remote.
Those are just a few of the things I'd expect a portable computing device to have...
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can you do that with an iPhone? or any other phones or e-book readers? infact do any of those devices run flashplayer?
my take is its supposed to be a standalone peripheral, likes phones or mp3 players rather than a PC replacement. thats why I asked about the USB port, you could reasonably want card readers, removable storage, more power etc etc as well but all these things add weight and bulk, and reduce battery life. and that market is already very well served by the smaller laptops.
I can imagine using it a fair bit, but not enough to justify the cost.
edit: I thought youtube was flash-based, so how does it play youtube vids? :headscratch:
There is a specific youtube app for iphone touch ipad etc.
The point is there are other products hitting the market that are better spec'd, similar size/weight. The ideapad S10 just makes a mockery of the ipad: it has everything you want, multitouch screen, keyboard, card reader, usb, wifi, 3g/wimax, ethernet, 320Gb storage, full OS (Win7 or Linux or whatever)... US$499! It's cheaper than the ipad.
Then the things that the ipad is supposed to do well it does:
- ebook read: screen nowhere near as good as an eink screen
- mediaplayer: 4:3 screen, no hdmi output, no non-apple codec support (no avi's, mkv's, etc)
- web browser: only safari, no flash support
- gaming: no decent control inputs (imho gaming on the touch/iphone sucks, and yes I have a touch)
From the apple fan corner we hear "you don't need USB, an SD card, or a camera". So why then did apple announce a USB adapter, a camera, and an external card reader for it at launch?
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From the apple fan corner we hear "you don't need USB, an SD card, or a camera". So why then did apple announce a USB adapter, a camera, and an external card reader for it at launch?
The reason that Apple didn't include those things in the iPad already built-in was so they could that extra bit of money out of you when you have to buy them.
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well, ipad is dead, long live ideapad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOewI35BS4
And it's not the only one like it.
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well, ipad is dead, long live ideapad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOewI35BS4
And it's not the only one like it.
See why would you buy a iPad when you can buy a device like that that looks like it can basically do everything an iPad will but a whole lot more.
I'll be very interested to see sales numbers on the iPad a year out from now.
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for what?
edit: btw the "camera connecting kit" is actually just a USB adapter ...
So then you're beyond OK and satisfied with Apple making you pay them more money for a universal port that comes standard on every-other modern electronic device? I don't know about you, but USB is so standard now that I mave more USB to USB cords lying around my aparmtent than what I know to do with them. And yet Apples latest and greatest inovation.... and it's not even anything special about their extrenal port, it's as fast if not slower than a standard USB port.
Not everyone has wifi or Bluetooth for their mp3 players, plus wouldn't it just be easier to plug it into the iPad to do it. Plus there are other things a USB port would be used for, I mean it's not like it takes up so much space & weights so much that it wouldn't have been doable to add it, it's just Apple finding another way to get you to fork over more money making you buy it separate.
See, here's the thing, Bluetooth adapters are available for everything... the catch (or problem here with iCrap)... They plug into any commonly available electronic device with a universaly-standard (except by guess who....) USB port!
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See, here's the thing, Bluetooth adapters are available for everything... the catch (or problem here with iCrap)... They plug into any commonly available electronic device with a universaly-standard (except by guess who....) USB port!
Not sure you understood my post there, I was saying that Apple needs a USB port.