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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BMathis on January 28, 2010, 08:06:27 AM
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A man was driving when he saw the flash of a traffic camera. He figured that his picture had been taken for exceeding the limit, even though he knew that he was not speeding.
Just to be sure, he went around the block and passed the same spot, driving even more slowly, but again the camera flashed.
Now he began to think that this was quite funny, so he drove even slower as he passed the area again, but the traffic camera again flashed.
He tried a fourth time with the same result. He did this a fifth time and was now laughing when the camera flashed as he rolled past, this time at a snail's pace...
Two weeks later, he got five tickets in the mail for driving without a seat belt.
You just can't fix stupid.
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:rofl Fantastic. I'd love to have seen the person reviewing that film. :aok
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thats to funny
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lol brilliant.
A mate of mine purchased a registration plate that was supposed to be camera proof. After all the advert said it was camera proof. So me mate deliberately goes through a speed camera and poof he's photoed for speeding. One month later a picture and a 75 quid fine + 3 points on his license turns up in the mail. :rofl
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Friend of mine got busted by one of those intersection cameras which have the yellow light set far too short in order to get send out more tickets.
He got caught in the family barge one day. When he got the ticket, he went through this lengthy scheme designed to let him get revenge on the city for their cheesy use of the short-yellow-lighted-cameras.
He happens to have a 427SC Cobra (kit). One day he parks in a parking lot away from the intersection and clicks off the seconds for the red and yellow lights. He then waits for a clear road. He pulls out, at high speed, and as he approaches the intersection, the light turns yellow, he abruptly and adeptly places the car into a broadslide. The cameras would not be able to get a pic of the license plate.
He is also wearing a mask representing Alfred E. Newman (irony was not lost on this one), and he raises one hand and offers the fickle finger of fate gesture. As he slid out of the intersection, he is facing another parking lot with a small burger joint on the corner. Sliding passed that he spots a local parked behind the building who sticks his head out of the car and waves.
His car got impounded. I have no idea what it cost to get it all taken care of, but his license was suspended as well.
Yes, he got even, sort of.
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the yellow must be of a reasonable time, if not find a lawyer. The purpose of traffic lights is to insure safe and efficient use of the roads, not to generate income.
5.3.2 Vehicular Change and Clearance Intervals
The intent of the vehicle phase change and clearance intervals is to provide a safe transition between two conflicting phases. It consists of a yellow change interval and, optionally, a red clearance interval. The intent of the yellow change interval is to warn drivers of the impending change in right-of-way assignment. The red clearance interval is used when there is some benefit to providing additional time before conflicting movements receive a green indication.
Yellow Change
The duration of the yellow change interval is typically based upon driver perception-reaction time, plus the distance needed to safely stop or to travel safely through the intersection.
A state’s Uniform Vehicle Code directly affects yellow change interval timing, as it determines whether a permissive or restrictive yellow law is in place.
•Permissive Yellow Law: A driver can enter the intersection during the entire yellow interval and be in the intersection during the red indication as long as the vehicle entered the intersection during the yellow interval. Under permissive yellow law, an all-red clearance interval must exist as a timing parameter to ensure safe right-of-way transfer at an intersection. This rule is consistent with paragraph 11-202 of the Uniform Vehicle Code (9).
•Restrictive Yellow Law: There are two variations of this law (10). In one variation, a vehicle may not enter an intersection when the indication is yellow unless the vehicle can clear the intersection by the end of yellow. This implies that the yellow duration should be sufficiently long as to allow drivers the time needed to clear the intersection if they determine that it is not possible to safely stop. In the other variation, a vehicle may not enter an intersection unless it is impossible or unsafe to stop. With restrictive yellow law, the presence of an all-red interval is optional and good engineering judgment should be applied.
Due to the varying interpretations of the yellow change use, it is encouraged that traffic engineers refer to the local and regional statutes for guidance in determining the purpose of the yellow change time.
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Friend of mine got busted by one of those intersection cameras which have the yellow light set far too short in order to get send out more tickets.
He got caught in the family barge one day. When he got the ticket, he went through this lengthy scheme designed to let him get revenge on the city for their cheesy use of the short-yellow-lighted-cameras.
He happens to have a 427SC Cobra (kit). One day he parks in a parking lot away from the intersection and clicks off the seconds for the red and yellow lights. He then waits for a clear road. He pulls out, at high speed, and as he approaches the intersection, the light turns yellow, he abruptly and adeptly places the car into a broadslide. The cameras would not be able to get a pic of the license plate.
He is also wearing a mask representing Alfred E. Newman (irony was not lost on this one), and he raises one hand and offers the fickle finger of fate gesture. As he slid out of the intersection, he is facing another parking lot with a small burger joint on the corner. Sliding passed that he spots a local parked behind the building who sticks his head out of the car and waves.
His car got impounded. I have no idea what it cost to get it all taken care of, but his license was suspended as well.
Yes, he got even, sort of.
i thought i was reading a good story. then it turned out to be a tragedy. :(
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Alfred E. Newman :rofl Thats a blast from the past. :lol
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OT: john9001, I have a friend who works for Lockheed, who happens to be the supplier of most of the camera-light systems. They have been getting more and more requests from the cities, where they are installed, to reduce the yellow light times in order to boost revenue.
After a period of time people get used to the fact these yellows are short, so they panic stop at yellow lights now, causing rear end collisions to escalate.
I got caught at one of those short yellow lights once. Left hand turn, speed limit up to intersection 45MPH. I was behind a car at the red light. He went at green and I followed. As I entered the intersection, the light changed to yellow. Before I could clear the intersection the light was red and they snapped me.
I talked to an attorney who told me to pay the fine as there is no way you can beat the cities on this. They will simply tie it up in court until you are dead. Got that same advice from several attorneys. Paid the ticket.
No matter what the law is, if no one enforces it, it is just so many words on a piece of paper.
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Got one of those in the mail last month, my car at an intersection near where my wife works. So after a few hours of getting berated by the wife, I look at my appt. book and see that was the day I was helping her brother work on a camper. She had taken my car to work that day. She then looks at the pictures and says - I stopped at that light before I turned, look at my brake lights- I'm not paying 100.00 for that. I see that you can go to the web site and play a video showing the infraction.....
If she even waved at the light I would be amazed.
lol
NwBie
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Friend of mine got busted by one of those intersection cameras which have the yellow light set far too short in order to get send out more tickets.
In San Diego a few years back, Lockheed Martin was sued, along with the city I think as well, when it was found that the cameras provided to the city by Lockheed were incorrectly programmed. Further investigation showed that Lockheed was given a sweet deal by the city to provide the cameras and it was shown that Lockheed also knew the cameras were not programmed correctly but failed to fix the problem. The reason why they never fixed the problem after it was brough to their attention is that in the deal with Lockheed made with the city, Lockheed would get $70 from each ticket.
The plaintiffs won and all of the cameras were removed from the city, which were positioned at the stop lights where most red light violations occured in San Diego. As a result, there was another lawsuit filed by those that received tickets at these stop lights when the cameras were in use. They were suing to get the money back from the fines they paid and to have the tickets removed from their driving record. Not sure what happened in that case though or if it ever got resolved.
ack-ack
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Well you can thank my home state of Victoria back in Australia for this wonderful invention. Now if your running red lights I say fair enough you deserve to get busted. However these things have warped into becoming hidden cameras that do nothing for the most part now but catch speeders now back home.
So be warned we got the cameras back in the early 80's so they have come up with a lot of stuff now that really has no impact on road tolls just another cash cow for local governments under the guise of safety.
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See Rule #14
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Well you can thank my home state of Victoria back in Australia for this wonderful invention. Now if your running red lights I say fair enough you deserve to get busted. However these things have warped into becoming hidden cameras that do nothing for the most part now but catch speeders now back home.
So be warned we got the cameras back in the early 80's so they have come up with a lot of stuff now that really has no impact on road tolls just another cash cow for local governments under the guise of safety.
Well South Australia have trumped it with wheelie bin cam
(http://aussieexotics.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/wheelie-bin-camera.jpg)
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I feel uneasy driving a road populated with traffic cameras, even though I always drive within the speed limits. It feels like I'm not keeping the speed in check often enough, but at the same time I also feel like I'm not following the traffic enough.
Meanwhile as a pedestrian I don't remember ever being in danger of being run over by a car only because of speeding. There's enough times I've almost been run over by a car running through the lights - only one has been also speeding. Yet there's speed cameras all over, but hardly any cameras watching the lights - I only know of one in the whole country and it's in an area where the pedestrians usually are at fault. I've even seen a camera footage from there of a pedestrian jaywalking and getting hit by a car which throws her over 30 feet away from the crosswalk - miraculously surviving through it with only bruises.
I think that traffic cameras have shifted focus from law enforcement and made the traffic only more dangerous. Their primary function seems to be money making instead of the traffic safety. Cameras in general have reduced safety. They reduce crime and increase safety on paper, but not in the practice. Cameras are cheaper than real cops, but cheap is cheap, regardless of how you put it.
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Well South Australia have trumped it with wheelie bin cam
(http://aussieexotics.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/wheelie-bin-camera.jpg)
Yeah the OZ speed cameras are out of control hidden in parked cars back side of over passes mounted on poles in the middle of no where & on & on.
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A man was driving when he saw the flash of a traffic camera. He figured that his picture had been taken for exceeding the limit, even though he knew that he was not speeding.
Just to be sure, he went around the block and passed the same spot, driving even more slowly, but again the camera flashed.
Now he began to think that this was quite funny, so he drove even slower as he passed the area again, but the traffic camera again flashed.
He tried a fourth time with the same result. He did this a fifth time and was now laughing when the camera flashed as he rolled past, this time at a snail's pace...
Two weeks later, he got five tickets in the mail for driving without a seat belt.
You just can't fix stupid.
Crap,! just spit me soda everwhere. MUHAAA! :rofl :rofl FAIL :rofl :rofl
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See Rule #4
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Any info on just throwing the tickets in the trash.... I thought if your not served by a person. they cant do any thing about it?
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It seems to me that one way to beat the system is to have your own "black-box." Mini's camera's all 4 directions, a computer to record your speed, and a microphone you can turn on to record a conversation between the authorites and you. This way you have a defense and they cannot lawfully tell you to turn it off since it is public roads.
People should see documentaries of the police state America, England and other nations are becoming and the abuses of goverment towards its citizens.
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It seems to me that one way to beat the system is to have your own "black-box." Mini's camera's all 4 directions, a computer to record your speed, and a microphone you can turn on to record a conversation between the authorites and you. This way you have a defense and they cannot lawfully tell you to turn it off since it is public roads.
People should see documentaries of the police state America, England and other nations are becoming and the abuses of goverment towards its citizens.
i think it's vk or some company like that......glases with video/audio camera built in, 4 gig flash drive, and they do bluetooth too.
now, that being said........bunches of yas said i was paranoid when i mentioned that i keep digital voice recorders in my cars, soon to be supplemented with video. :noid :neener:
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The real problem fighting these things is that cash strapped municipality's see it as a quick means for replenishing their coffers. So do you think the local judges & officials will do much to stop them when the fines help pay their way? I think not.
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here.
http://www.spygadgets.com/undercover-cameras/sunglasses-camera.html
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The real problem fighting these things is that cash strapped municipality's see it as a quick means for replenishing their coffers. So do you think the local judges & officials will do much to stop them when the fines help pay their way? I think not.
which is why we need our own video...........
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here.
http://www.spygadgets.com/undercover-cameras/sunglasses-camera.html
Lol yeah, Noooo One would ever suspect anything unusual with those blocks on your face.
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First of all :rofl to the story........... In Az they gotta put up signs to let you know a camera is coming so they are easy to aviod.. Well sort of... I still see morons gettin flashed. :salute
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First of all :rofl to the story........... In Az they gotta put up signs to let you know a camera is coming so they are easy to aviod.. Well sort of... I still see morons gettin flashed. :salute
Same in New South Wales, we always have a speed camera ahead sign, without it its entrapment.
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here.
http://www.spygadgets.com/undercover-cameras/sunglasses-camera.html
I like those. :aok Wish they were around when I was married to settle arguments.
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A lot of folks in the DFW area have apparently stopped paying them because there is nothing the cities or red light cameras can really do to collect. It's not a moving violation because a cop did not issue the ticket.
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The real problem fighting these things is that cash strapped municipality's see it as a quick means for replenishing their coffers. So do you think the local judges & officials will do much to stop them when the fines help pay their way? I think not.
If you decide to pay them, you're right. But if you fight it in court, you bring your own video proving your innocence, and they still decide against you, you can get publicity against the city and they system.
All it takes is some pressure and they will step back and do the right thing.
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i think it's vk or some company like that......glases with video/audio camera built in, 4 gig flash drive, and they do bluetooth too.
now, that being said........bunches of yas said i was paranoid when i mentioned that i keep digital voice recorders in my cars, soon to be supplemented with video. :noid :neener:
It's not paranoia, it is fact. This is a society that we are moving to and people are asleep at the wheel and letting this happen. Good for you for standign up for your rights.
BTW - when you find the name of that company, please let me know.
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Any info on just throwing the tickets in the trash.... I thought if your not served by a person. they cant do any thing about it?
Well... unless they send it certified mail, they can't prove that you ever got it.
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I feel uneasy driving a road populated with traffic cameras, even though I always drive within the speed limits. It feels like I'm not keeping the speed in check often enough, but at the same time I also feel like I'm not following the traffic enough.
You could just set the cruise control to legal speed and drive normally like I do. Cameras never bothered me and I drive 45000km for work yearly.
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You could just set the cruise control to legal speed and drive normally like I do. Cameras never bothered me and I drive 45000km for work yearly.
But that's not fun, as for cameras I don't believe New Jersey has any that give out tickets for speeding and running lights. We do have a lot of officers that use dashboard mounted speed radars, that is why I invested in a radar detector. Bought my cousins older one for 180 bucks (300 new) and that thing has saved me 10 times the amount from speeding tickets and points on my license.
Oh and kind of a HiJack here but this event kinda pissed me off. I had a person in front of me driving like a complete arse, drifting around, taking up two lanes, randomly slowing down with nobody in front of him, but he was doing the speed limit. When I got the chance I passed him, kind of gassing it I'm not going to lie. As I passed him there was a cop sitting in the shoulder around the bend, he tagged me with a laser and pulled me over. The speed limit was 40 and I want to say I hit 50 while passing.
The officer didn't say one thing to me, didn't even ask for my papers just stood there. I handed him everything, including my PBA card, and asked him way I was pulled over. He looked at the card, walked to his car and tossed it in. Came back, gave me my stuff and walked away.
Now 2 questions
First is passing someone considered speeding, and yes I started to slow down once I got around.
Second, isn't the officer supposed to tell you why you were being pulled over, I would have liked to have the chance to explain to him what happened since he wasn't in view to witness this guys horrendous driving and possibly keep my PBA card.
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In San Diego a few years back, Lockheed Martin was sued, along with the city I think as well, when it was found that the cameras provided to the city by Lockheed were incorrectly programmed. Further investigation showed that Lockheed was given a sweet deal by the city to provide the cameras and it was shown that Lockheed also knew the cameras were not programmed correctly but failed to fix the problem. The reason why they never fixed the problem after it was brough to their attention is that in the deal with Lockheed made with the city, Lockheed would get $70 from each ticket.
The plaintiffs won and all of the cameras were removed from the city, which were positioned at the stop lights where most red light violations occured in San Diego. As a result, there was another lawsuit filed by those that received tickets at these stop lights when the cameras were in use. They were suing to get the money back from the fines they paid and to have the tickets removed from their driving record. Not sure what happened in that case though or if it ever got resolved.
ack-ack
Yeah, see that is not going to happen in Texas. Lockheed has a huge infrastructure here in Texas. The state will protect that business from any lawsuits. How? By making sure the suits never get to court. Same thing with Verizon and SBC. Laws get passed all the time to favor large business concerns in Texas.
An example. In Texas, we have to pay a fee to the phone companies if we opt out of long distance service on a land line. Coincidentally, we also have to pay a minimum fee if we do not use that long distance service. Did I mention the fee for both is identical?
There are also laws on the books to protect phone companies from competition.
There is nothing anyone can do about it either. You can write letters all day long (I have) and they will be ignored. As it is with these cameras at intersections.
Again, no matter what laws there are, if they are not enforced, they are just words on a piece of paper.
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Yellow Change
The duration of the yellow change interval is typically based upon driver perception-reaction time, plus the distance needed to safely stop or to travel safely through the intersection.
not in the UK unfortunately, its fixed at 3s +-0.25s regardless of the speed limit. ok in a 30mph zone but waay too short in a 70mph zone. Ive been caught out by this, doing 70ish along a dual carriageway, saw the lights but nothing waiting at the junction (ie. no potential hazards to make me reduce speed) then for no apparent reason the lights go amber.
I judge the stopping distance and realise that it will need some pretty hefty braking to stop for the line and there are cars behind me that may not be as alert as me or have such decent brakes (tarox grooved discs/pagid blue pads upgrade) so coast through only to see red just before I cross the line and get flashed by the camera.
I went back later and timed the amber several times at 2.8s, with reaction time thats about 0.4g braking required. presumably why every other country afaik uses about 5s delay at these speeds. 3 points and £60 fine :furious
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I like those. :aok Wish they were around when I was married to settle arguments.
:rofl
those are lower priced..........there's more expensive ones from a company called "gk vessa". i think they're based in florida.
theirs have interchangable lenses, so they could be worn at night too.
http://www.gkvessa.com/
i talked to bill(i think). they have a pair that isn't listed yet.
4 gig flash drive. 1.3 megapixel digital, video, and audio camera. mp3 player. bluetooth stereo which will also recieve music from your phone through the bluetooth.
expensive.......but definite coolness. :D
hey skuzzy.........i don't remember everything i typed yesterday....what'd i get "rule 4'd for? :noid
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A lot of folks in the DFW area have apparently stopped paying them because there is nothing the cities or red light cameras can really do to collect. It's not a moving violation because a cop did not issue the ticket.
i think there's also the fact that they can never really prove that you got the notice in the mail....unless they wanna send it through registered mail.
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It's not paranoia, it is fact. This is a society that we are moving to and people are asleep at the wheel and letting this happen. Good for you for standign up for your rights.
BTW - when you find the name of that company, please let me know.
http://www.gkvessa.com/
they're pricey.......but i think i may make a pair of them my late christmas present to me. :D
and soon.....been seeing somerdale, stratford and nj's finest looking more active as far as stops are concerned lately.
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You could just set the cruise control to legal speed and drive normally like I do. Cameras never bothered me and I drive 45000km for work yearly.
truck driver?
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But that's not fun, as for cameras I don't believe New Jersey has any that give out tickets for speeding and running lights. We do have a lot of officers that use dashboard mounted speed radars, that is why I invested in a radar detector. Bought my cousins older one for 180 bucks (300 new) and that thing has saved me 10 times the amount from speeding tickets and points on my license. deptford and cherry hill have redlight cameras on a trial basis. there's only 2 in cherry hill...i think on the north side. there are cameras on rt. 561, between brace rd, and burnt mill rd. i don't know if they're also redlight cameras, traffic cameras, or they just use em to adjust the timing of the lights to traffic conditions. they are there though.
rt. 295 has cameras every few miles(which you can access on the web). i know they only monitor right now, but my radar detector used to go off every time i approached one.
Oh and kind of a HiJack here but this event kinda pissed me off. I had a person in front of me driving like a complete arse, drifting around, taking up two lanes, randomly slowing down with nobody in front of him, but he was doing the speed limit. When I got the chance I passed him, kind of gassing it I'm not going to lie. As I passed him there was a cop sitting in the shoulder around the bend, he tagged me with a laser and pulled me over. The speed limit was 40 and I want to say I hit 50 while passing. yes, you were speeding. more than likely, you'd have not been bothered for that speed had you not been passing.
The officer didn't say one thing to me, didn't even ask for my papers just stood there. I handed him everything, including my PBA card, and asked him way I was pulled over. He looked at the card, walked to his car and tossed it in. Came back, gave me my stuff and walked away.dam....any time i've used my cards, they give em back.
Now 2 questions
First is passing someone considered speeding, and yes I started to slow down once I got around.any time you're over the posted limit, you're considered to be speeding.
Second, isn't the officer supposed to tell you why you were being pulled over, I would have liked to have the chance to explain to him what happened since he wasn't in view to witness this guys horrendous driving and possibly keep my PBA card. yes, they pretty much have to tell you why you were stopped.
i am always polite with them, but never give em anything till i'm told just why i was stopped. if they don't offer an explanation, i politley ask. if they repeat their question, with no explanation, i repeat my question.
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Skuzzy we have one of those lights in our city that only one car can make it through. I will not write a ticket on that light. A few of us at my dept have asked if they can fix the light b/c all it does is cause wrecks of course the city just ignores us.
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Cajun, I think everyone is aware the police officers have no say in this.
On the other hand. :) My Wife was in a left turn lane with a green arrow. To do anything other than turn left, she would have broken the law, big time. She makes the left, at the green arrow, and then promptly gets pulled over and ticketed for not using her left turn signal. Technically, she broke the law.
While she was waiting, another motorcycle police officer was pulling over everyone that did the same thing. She said when she pulled away, there were 13 cars in line for tickets. Apparently, no one making that left could figure out why everyone was getting pulled over.
I find myself now using my turn signal whenever I have to deviate from a straight path, even when I am in a dedicated turn lane, which has a curb to prevent you from changing your mind, and cannot possibly impose a hazard to anyone when no turn signal is present.
Just a heads up, but the City of Grapevine must be hard up for cash this month so be careful when driving through it folks.
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Cajun, I think everyone is aware the police officers have no say in this.
On the other hand. :) My Wife was in a left turn lane with a green arrow. To do anything other than turn left, she would have broken the law, big time. She makes the left, at the green arrow, and then promptly gets pulled over and ticketed for not using her left turn signal. Technically, she broke the law.
While she was waiting, another motorcycle police officer was pulling over everyone that did the same thing. She said when she pulled away, there were 13 cars in line for tickets. Apparently, no one making that left could figure out why everyone was getting pulled over.
I find myself now using my turn signal whenever I have to deviate from a straight path, even when I am in a dedicated turn lane, which has a curb to prevent you from changing your mind, and cannot possibly impose a hazard to anyone when no turn signal is present.
Just a heads up, but the City of Grapevine must be hard up for cash this month so be careful when driving through it folks.
Wow. That's just ridiculous.
In Houston they have speed traps as you exit the freeway to the feeder. Some are just along the feeders though. The (some) exit's go from 65 to 35 in 2.2 seconds. These cops are sitting behind trees with radars, then walk out into the 3 lane feeder to stop you like someone carjacking you. Meanwhile, as your getting served for speeding, there's people selling dope 50 yards away. Literally.
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truck driver?
Heh no, ISV consultant/trainer.
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Cajun, I think everyone is aware the police officers have no say in this.
On the other hand. :) My Wife was in a left turn lane with a green arrow. To do anything other than turn left, she would have broken the law, big time. She makes the left, at the green arrow, and then promptly gets pulled over and ticketed for not using her left turn signal. Technically, she broke the law.
While she was waiting, another motorcycle police officer was pulling over everyone that did the same thing. She said when she pulled away, there were 13 cars in line for tickets. Apparently, no one making that left could figure out why everyone was getting pulled over.
I find myself now using my turn signal whenever I have to deviate from a straight path, even when I am in a dedicated turn lane, which has a curb to prevent you from changing your mind, and cannot possibly impose a hazard to anyone when no turn signal is present.
Just a heads up, but the City of Grapevine must be hard up for cash this month so be careful when driving through it folks.
JUST ABOUT ALL townships and states are hurting right not.
you should've been using your turnsignals all along though. they;re there for a reason. it doesn't matter if you're in a dedicated turn lane or not, turn signals are still necessary.
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1) It was not me that got the ticket.
2) I said she did break the law.
3) My point was how common sense has been eschewed for the almighty dollar.
Yes, you can pick nits about it all day long. Point of fact, I have made that same left hand turn many times and been followed by police officers who did not ticket me and who also did not use their turn signals.
A dedicated single lane left turn controlled by signal is not posing any danger for anyone not using a turn signal. Yes, lawfully a turn signal is required. She will pay the ticket. She was wrong and she knows it. This is not going to stop me from squeaking about the inconsistency of it all.
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1) It was not me that got the ticket.
2) I said she did break the law.
3) My point was how common sense has been eschewed for the almighty dollar.
Yes, you can pick nits about it all day long. Point of fact, I have made that same left hand turn many times and been followed by police officers who did not ticket me and who also did not use their turn signals.
A dedicated single lane left turn controlled by signal is not posing any danger for anyone not using a turn signal. Yes, lawfully a turn signal is required. She will pay the ticket. She was wrong and she knows it. This is not going to stop me from squeaking about the inconsistency of it all.
I was just making a statement.......and i missed that it was the wife, and not you....sorry bout that.
i wasn't meaning to lecture......it just tends to piss me off when someone's in front, and suddenly, i'm standing on the brakes, because they've just decided to go left from the right lane...no turnsignals or anything.
i do agree with ya though.....ot have to use the signals in a dedicated lane, is ridiculous at best....but they can nail us for it.
the big thing around here in nj is cell phones. same in philly. i see police on them ALL the time, yet i've had friends pulled over for it.
one was kinda funny......my friend saw the cop, said to hold for a second as she was putting me on speakerphone. she was sitting at a red light, the cop pulled up behind her.
he pulled her over as soon as she started to move, although the phone was sitting in her lap by that time. he sounded like he was gonna be a real arse, as i could hear him. she gave him her reg and paperwork, then made a comment as if he had walked away.
thinking he walked away, i made a comment(about his attitude) saying somethign like "what a schmuck!". i didn't hear anything for a moment, and she then told me that he was standing there when i said that.......and thankfully, the cop laughed at it.
he let her off, but warned her about next time.
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Well... unless they send it certified mail, they can't prove that you ever got it.
Can it still go on your driving record?? I'm in California. Any cops know about this?
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3) My point was how common sense has been eschewed for the almighty dollar.
The legitimacy of Laws in any society and its effectivness depends on how ethical the law is and to a high standard.
When it is a corporate scheme or a money grab by government, people ultimately will have less respect of those "laws". If there were to be a class-action lawsuit by thousands of people, the discovery process would damn government officials and just that alone, would see these laws repealed.
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Can it still go on your driving record?? I'm in California. Any cops know about this?
IDK, but that's part of why I think it violates the right to due process, they cannot prove your actually received a citation. What if your on vacation when it comes in the mail, what if the postman drops it in your neighbors box, and they just throw it out, what if you dog eats it. The whole idea of mailing out citations, several days (or even weeks) after the fact, when no officer actually witnessed the event, is just wrong on many levels.
Also your removing a real-life officer who has the innate ability to use his/her good judgment in any given situation, and can testify in a court of law to circumstances surrounding the citation, and replacing them with a completely disambiguous computer/camera system, which can take into account no possible extenuating circumstances.
Besides can a traffic cam catch drunk drivers, or drowsy drivers, or reckless drivers who aren't speeding, or a vehicle with and unsafe load? Real officers can do all that, AND still catch speeders/red light runners as well. It seems to me that municipalities using traffic cams are placing a much greater value on $$$$$ then on the actual safety of motorists.
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Besides can a traffic cam catch drunk drivers, or drowsy drivers, or reckless drivers who aren't speeding, or a vehicle with and unsafe load? Real officers can do all that, AND still catch speeders/red light runners as well. It seems to me that municipalities using traffic cams are placing a much greater value on $$$$$ then on the actual safety of motorists.
apparently they seem to think they do in the uk. if or not, they really do, i don't know.....what i DO know, is that i do not want to live in a society like they have over there.....where every single move one makes can and will be recorded.
these are intended for good.......but the fact is that they will be used for other than good too.
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hey its not all bad here - we're not required to indicate in a dedicated turn lane :D
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apparently they seem to think they do in the uk. if or not, they really do, i don't know.....what i DO know, is that i do not want to live in a society like they have over there.....where every single move one makes can and will be recorded.
these are intended for good.......but the fact is that they will be used for other than good too.
Thankfully some of the dodgy speed cameras have been removed in my home town. When I say dodgy I mean in places like bottom of hills or 50 feet into a slower speed restriction.
As for CCTV, as you rightly point out, its rampent over here. Shop security cameras we can't do anything about...so long as it's not picking up activity of you in your home across the street. CCTV on the highways, by ways and shopping centres have been used covertly. To the point where Government has had to tighten it's laws. Some councils had used them to catch anything from dole cheats to litter bugs. Thankfully there hasn't been many infringements of privacy or the rules of use.
Unfortunately I can see a time where a street camera will send you a ticket for you breathing too much air as you go about your daily business. The majority of folk over here don't care. "well if you didn't break the law whats to worry about." :rolleyes:
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hey its not all bad here - we're not required to indicate in a dedicated turn lane :D
dam dude!!
:neener: :noid :rofl
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Thankfully some of the dodgy speed cameras have been removed in my home town. When I say dodgy I mean in places like bottom of hills or 50 feet into a slower speed restriction.
As for CCTV, as you rightly point out, its rampent over here. Shop security cameras we can't do anything about...so long as it's not picking up activity of you in your home across the street. CCTV on the highways, by ways and shopping centres have been used covertly. To the point where Government has had to tighten it's laws. Some councils had used them to catch anything from dole cheats to litter bugs. Thankfully there hasn't been many infringements of privacy or the rules of use.
Unfortunately I can see a time where a street camera will send you a ticket for you breathing too much air as you go about your daily business. The majority of folk over here don't care. "well if you didn't break the law whats to worry about." :rolleyes:
dam...thanks for not jumping down my throat. when i just now re-read my post that you quoted, i think it comes off as me being an ass.
the security cameras in shops and stores......i'm on the fence with them. i know they use them for loss prevention, and i respect that. sometimes, it's just bothersome knowing that we're on candid camera though.
the cameras in the streets.......i truly believe they should go. there are those that will extol the virtues and benefits of them, but as you seem to realize, they can and will eventually be used for less and less legitimate things.
so far the cameras on the highways near me aren't used for speed enforcement, but i would imagine that they soon will. they'll give us a few years to get used to them being there, then hit us with the "we need to supplement our state troopers to protect you" line. unfortunalty, the people will say what you said they say there..."if you're not doing anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry". of course they say this, then go cruise the freeway at 75mph in a 55 zone, while talking on their cell phone, and eating a burrito. :noid :rolleyes:
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Interesting subject that was an issue while back home after Christmas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpMGN0R3F3o&feature=PlayList&p=7E845FE7742AE9EF&index=3
http://www.theage.com.au/national/ken-lay-top-traffic-cop-caught-speeding-20100114-maan.html
My only real issue with this is that it was swept under the rug by the police & the state government to avoid embarrassment so the safety campaign would have credibility for the Christmas break. So what else has been hidden? & he was right they did catch him :D Since the speed cameras in Victoria were taken over by a contractor & not in control of the police any more friends of mine on the police force were not happy as they could no longer take it in to the station & have it well.... lets just say get it taken care of. I guess every cloud has it's silver lining.
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Interesting subject that was an issue while back home after Christmas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpMGN0R3F3o&feature=PlayList&p=7E845FE7742AE9EF&index=3
http://www.theage.com.au/national/ken-lay-top-traffic-cop-caught-speeding-20100114-maan.html
My only real issue with this is that it was swept under the rug by the police & the state government to avoid embarrassment so the safety campaign would have credibility for the Christmas break. So what else has been hidden? & he was right they did catch him :D Since the speed cameras in Victoria were taken over by a contractor & not in control of the police any more friends of mine on the police force were not happy as they could no longer take it in to the station & have it well.... lets just say get it taken care of. I guess every cloud has it's silver lining.
lol he said "I clearly didn't notice the speed camera, perhaps I was distracted or fatigued." He said that on camera. Over here that would be admitting to driving without due care and attention. If I said that I would be nicked.
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so far the cameras on the highways near me aren't used for speed enforcement, but i would imagine that they soon will.
We have Tech companies over here trying to sell CCTV software upgrades to local authorities. A standard CCTV camera can able to do face recognition and link into the police database. Cars would be checked for motor insurance, MOT's (road safety certs) and TAX (tags).
Its just a matter of time...."but it's OK folks, it's only for catching criminals and terrorists." Soon after that it'll be litter dropping, crossing the road on red (don't walk) and wearing brown shoes with a green coat. If it was something more important like not showing undue control over your children while shopping I'd be up for it.
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Speed and Red light Camera laws by state
http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/auto_enforce.html
Some states like Kalifornia have laws on the books dictating how long a yellow light is supposed to be at the minimum for a given speed limit
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21455_7.htm
Chart posting these minimums here
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
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Thank goodness red light cameras haven't made it to this country. Having said that for the most part I don't think they're needed. I have very rarely seen people run red lights. I cannot think of a time when I ran a red. Possibly the amber light is set to a sensible time scale.
We do have speed cameras, GATSOs and vans with cameras. They carefully place the vans where they know they will catch people over the limit. Usually main roads with lots of lanes. Make sure you have an absurdly low limit and bingo, in comes the cash.
Of course in Ireland, we are always anxious to ensure our reptutation for quirkiness is maintained with the rest of the world. So we have this kind of thing (http://www.heyitsourwebsite.com/80km.jpg)That's 50MPH on a road where couldn't do 20mph. That was plucked off the website of an American tourist. I'm sure most tourists have their own version. I've seen worse, the other day out on a drive we turned up a road with 80k signs only for it to turn to a dirt track in yards and so narrow that both mirrors were scraping the hedges. Somehow we turned around and as we rejoined the main road the speed limit sign placed on the back of the 80kmh sign said 60kmh (40mph). :eek: I've also seen a 100kmh sign placed just before a sharp left over a humpback bridge only wide enough to allow one car to a pass at a time. But yet they've just reduced to general speed limit in Dublin city to 30kmh. Which will be ignored by everyone including the police.
In 30 years on the road, bikes and cars, never had a ticket. I was stopped last October but haven't heard anything since. I wonder if the cop on the day decided not to bother. It turned out that one of the three in their car was a trainee out on work experience from the Garda college. He recognised me as the pilot when he did a tandem skydive a few weeks earlier. We all had a good laugh and I told them I would be doing over 240 kmh soon and they couldn't touch me for it. I told them to come over for a jump so I could earn some of the money back to pay the fine. Perhaps in the light of that he decided it wasn't worth the paperwork. Here's hoping. You couldn't do that with a camera. Plus I drive really slowly past that spot ever since. Lesson learned.
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Posted Speed Minimum Yellow Interval
MPH KM/H SECONDS
25 40 3.0
30 48 3.2
35 56 3.6
40 64 3.9
45 72 4.3
50 80 4.7
55 89 5.0
60 97 5.4
65 105 5.8
see that looks reasonable, I was ticketed at 70mph where the delay was 2.8s ... :furious
edit: things must have changed alot in the last 10 years cp, I used to work in Dublin regularly and was shocked by the driving, for the mostpart red lights and pedestrian crossing were just ignored. one of the scariest journeys ive ever taken was by bus through Kiliney, never experienced roll-oversteer in a double decker before :o also discovered that Damon Hill must like the booze - apparently every cab driver in Dublin used to drink with him in their local :lol
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was watching traffic and weather reports today while i was getting ready for work.
they report the speed on rt. 295....this would tell me that the cameras i mentioned before, do indeed record speed.
i wonder if they can pinpoint a specific car yet.
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OK, camera's suck and no matter what the original intention was for them, eventually they are there for revenue generation. For me, traffic laws should have to include an element that says there is a burden of proof on the prosecution that not only did the claimed infraction take place, but that in doing so, the driver created a dangerous situation. For example, someone who slowed almost, but not quite, to a complete stop at a stop sign could not be prosecuted unless doing so was actually dangerous. Or (as in Skuzzy's wife's case) turning left in a left hand turn lane with a left turn signal could only be prosecuted if it could be proven that another driver or pedestrian had been confused by the lack of a turn signal.
Police officers could usually be relied on to make such judgments (unless being leaned on from above to raise revenue). Machines can not make such judgments. However, sometimes even the real live police officers need to take a look at themselves...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8486842.stm
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My buddy tells me the other day he passed some News crew reporting on how bad the roads were with the snow.....later that night my Mom says "Isnt that DJ's truck on the TV?"
My buddy was doing fish tails all over the place the camera lady was just speechless :D
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My buddy tells me the other day he passed some News crew reporting on how bad the roads were with the snow.....later that night my Mom says "Isnt that DJ's truck on the TV?"
My buddy was doing fish tails all over the place the camera lady was just speechless :D
OK in this case law enforcement cameras are needed. :D
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OK in this case law enforcement cameras are needed. :D
Yea he was driving like ricky bobby :devil