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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Squire on January 30, 2010, 02:06:25 PM
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Most squads got the side they asked for but as usual its not possible to accomodate everybody. My thanks to all who expressed an interest in CiC duty as well. :salute
Link here:
http://ahevents.org/fso/view_assignments.html
Frame 1 objectives will be out by tonight.
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Allied Frame 2 CiC, confirmed.
:salute
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Frame 2 Axis C-in-C, confirmed. :salute
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Most squads got the side they asked for but as usual its not possible to accomodate everybody.
I'm not too sure why anyone even requests what side they would like to fly on or what type of aircraft. That particular request sheet does not seem to be used. :confused:
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Frame 1 objectives sent.
5th AF is Allied and AoM is Axis CiC for frame 1.
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I'm not too sure why anyone even requests what side they would like to fly on or what type of aircraft. That particular request sheet does not seem to be used. :confused:
If you mean not used by the COs, well it's not required but they need not complain about getting a raw deal.
If you mean by the CMs and CiCs:
I'll let a CM answer for them, but I'll take a swing at the CiC part of it.
There are several factors at play here. First you have the ones that requested the other side and did not update for the rides available to the side they got. Then there's the ones that don't request any ride. And sometimes you have the ones that let it ride so their requests are for rides not available on either side.
Next is the selection of what is available vs what needs to get done and the division of manpower to fill the seats. A CiC should also look at what each squad did in the last 3 frames (in my case 6 frames) to make sure everyone get a fair turn between egg chucking and fighters. This in itself can reduce the number of squads that get what they asked for.
Next is a CiC personal way of doing things. I get the impression that a large squad split between bombers and close escort does slightly better than 2 or 3 squads combined in a package. I also choose not to overwhelm CAP but only to distract and draw them down. And I've see 3 smaller squads split defence into 3 areas: sweep tanglers, escort strippers and bomber killers. So I tend to think along those lines. All this can further erode the ride request list.
Then it's back to the rides requested to see if I can swap rides or duties to try and get them what they asked for. In the end only half ask for anything that I could really give them and of that only half get what they ask for.
But would you rather not be asked what you would like to be put in? If nothing else it gives some the chance to volunteer for bombers or planes that are fun for a particular squad.
And not getting what you what can have unforeseen benefits. I learned a few things about the 39Q this last go round.
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I'm not too sure why anyone even requests what side they would like to fly on or what type of aircraft. That particular request sheet does not seem to be used.
I know for a fact it is used every month by the Admin CM's.
As for the CiC's/C.O.'s what RSL said. Some obviously don't even look at it. Others (I think I can say most others) do look and try to get squads the rides they want. Sometimes it is just not possible.
Jackraid I am sorry if you or your squad did not get the side they want, but we have all been there. Sometimes a couple months in a row. If it is something else then PM me and bend my ear. :) I will be glad to hear you out.
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Last minute change due to JG53 being added.
DAMNED are now Allied, JG53 is Axis.
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For me, I don't really care what a squad flew last week, or the week before that, or the week before that. The CiC has a LOT to juggle just planning for HIS mission as it is, much less now worrying about what some guy did five weeks ago.
I always look at these factors, in this order:
What do I NEED? What do I need to get the job done? Can I get away with fewer dedicated strike craft by having some of my escorts packing heavy?
Who do I HAVE? If I have the AKs and VF-17, I'm going to do whatever I can to get them in Corsairs because I KNOW these are squads who know how to use her to best effect. If I have a squadron that I know is VERY good at level-bombing, even if they request fighters there's a good chance I may put them in bombers because I KNOW that they can get the job done in that role.
What are my squadrons' historical rides? If a squad has a historical ride set I try to work that in.
What do they WANT to fly? I try my best to work in my squads' ride requests. However when you have one squadron out of a dozen that requests bombers, I'm sorry but SOMEONE isn't going to fly fighters that frame. If you request a bomber there's a very good chance you'll get it when I'm CiC.
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I have no issues with what rides the CIC's give out. Most CIC's try to honor your requests or they ask you if you would mind flying something else. Their planning can be a challenge in itself.
My issue is that we do not want to fly the Japanese plane set. Pretty broad statement, but here are my reasons: We have flown for the Emperor for the last 4 out of 5 Japanese FSO's.
1) Too little too late - Philippines Side - Japan
2) Tacloban Tango - Side - Japan
3) Marianas Turkey shoot Side - Japan
4) Bougainville Privateers Side- Japan
5) Operation August storm was the only FSO where we flew against the axis.
Sorry for the complaint / whine but having to be on the Japanese side yet again I couldn't hold it.
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Jack,
The best recommendation I can make is to carefully pick and choose which setups you chose to fly Allied. I don't personally care for the German Iron (I can't hit squat with those guns and visibility over the nose is god awful) but my squadron normally flies Axis in ETO to avoid the "no Allied 3-4 times in a row" rule so we can make sure to be entering a PTO scenario fresh off having flown Axis. The only time I make exceptions and might fly Allied in that time is if I know that the next PTO isn't for another 2-3 months.
I'm sure you can imagine our frustration that over the last year we've flown as many as 3 ETO/MTO/North Africa scenarios in a row for every 1 PTO setup.
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Jack,
I can well appreicate your frustrations, I've been with a squad for almost 2years now, this is the first time we will have had a chance to fly a hog since I've been playing. Quite frankly we were told by our CO, not to expect to fly allies. Whatever the reasons, we got it, it will be a nice change.
Now the following is just my opinion only, Saxman, while agree with some of what you post about Cic, I can't say I agree with it all. It come across as if you say it is ok to assign a squad, bombers or some other less desirable ride, to please others, even if it means that squad has to do it 3 frames in a row. Having been in that boat, it ain't fun. So looking at what a squad did last week, is important and should be taken into consideration. And yes, I have done Cic.
:salute
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j500ss,
I put the burden of "We've flown such and such mission 4 times straight" on the squad C/Os, as IMO the C/O SHOULD be proactive if he feels his squadron is getting overworked on a particular mission profile.
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Got it :aok Thanks for the clarification on that one :salute
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:aok for Frame 1 Allied CIC...
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I understand that you guys did not want Axis again in the Pacific. I have to say that we are just not setup to follow those kinds of details when it comes to assigning sides.
Did a little digging.
Went back 5 months and unless I am mistaken Jack your squad was:
Allied January
Allied December
Axis November
Allied October
Allied September
With that in mind I teach my Admin CMs to do the following when they divide up squads. They have been doing this for years.
1. Any squad that has been Axis twice in a row is automatically Allied. (unless they want Axis)
2. Any squad that has been Allied twice in a row automatically is Axis.
3. Look at dedicated rides and place squads with their ride if at all possible.
After the above three steps are done we have about ½ the squads left to deal with. Squire did exactly what I would have done. Placed your squad Axis as you have been Allied twice in a row. In fact out of the past 5 months you have been Axis only once. With Allied being predominately requested side you really should be quite pleased with the results.
I am sorry your IJN again, but your not getting the short end of the stick here. You guys have got what you requested 4 of 5 times. ;) A better ratio then most squads.
If you dont want IJN again just start requesting Axis more in the other theatres as Saxman suggested, then come a Pacific setup you should be good to go. :salute
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:aok Allide CIC frame 3
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Look...it is what it is...If you mean that we have gotten Allied 4 out of the last 5 times....then yes we have. Have we flown IJN the last 4 out of 5 IJN FSO's?...The answer to that is yes also. We could argue this up one side and down the other. This is not just a rarity with just our squad.
2 Sheets of paper or 1 page for each squad. Remove the request Allied / Axis box and here is your format. You could plan it out 6 months ahead of time and you won't have guys like me crying and wetting the bed at night over which side were on.
Type of Event Allied Vs. Germany Allied vs. Japan
FSO ### Allied XXX
FSO ### XXX Japan
FSO ### Germany XXX
FSO ### XXX Allied
FSO ### Allied XXX
I'll throw it together on spreadsheet...and would probably take a total of 5 mins to keep track of for the whole community.
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Look...it is what it is...If you mean that we have gotten Allied 4 out of the last 5 times....then yes we have. Have we flown IJN the last 4 out of 5 IJN FSO's?...The answer to that is yes also. We could argue this up one side and down the other. This is not just a rarity with just our squad.
2 Sheets of paper or 1 page for each squad. Remove the request Allied / Axis box and here is your format. You could plan it out 6 months ahead of time and you won't have guys like me crying and wetting the bed at night over which side were on.
Type of Event Allied Vs. Germany Allied vs. Japan
FSO ### Allied XXX
FSO ### XXX Japan
FSO ### Germany XXX
FSO ### XXX Allied
FSO ### Allied XXX
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I'll throw it together on spreadsheet...and would probably take a total of 5 mins to keep track of for the whole community.
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I think the point is if you want allieddurring PTO's then request that. and durring ETO's request axis.
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Remove the Allied and Axis request box?
Then just alternate squads to a side with no consideration to what side they may want, or their rides?
That would go over real well. ;)
Then we could conceivably have an FSO where the Axis squads (who want to be Axis) are all Allied and many of the Allied squads (who want to be Allied) are Axis. How could that make sense? With more squads requesting Allied every month is make no sense to ignore those that want Axis most of the time. Your suggestion would actually satisfy fewer squads.
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Its a better game strategy to ask for Axis about 1/2 the time, then when you see a setup where you really want one side over the other, you stand a better shot of getting it. Dont just ask for Allied all the time. We cannot possibly accomodate 2/3 of the squads asking for Allied every setup. At that point, we just have to start looking to see whos left to assign Axis and plug them in.
Also, in the future, if you want one side over the other *that badly*, an email or PM is perfectly ok with me. Try giving me some notice im not unreasonable. The answer still might be "no", but it cant hurt to ask. I cant possibly know the entire history of every squads FSO assignements in every setup type we run. We dont track that, and we dont want to have to.
Regards.
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Here's a post Daddog did for the FSO community.
Dec Admin daddog - Europe early 1945
Jan Admin Stoney Hungary or Eastern Front, summer 1944
Feb Admin Squire Japan 1945 or a Solomons 1943 design
March Admin Ghostdancer Greece 1941
April Admin Baumer Early North Africa
He did this from a request from The Bug for upcoming FSO events. DD also said this schedule was tentative and not written in stone due to map changes from the recent change in strat system.
We AK's looked at this great bit of information and made some long range plans for the Feb FSO. We banked on a Japan set up for 1945 that would include blue water planes. We requested Axis for both December and January and flew them both for Axis. This choice made it easier to request Allied and receive that side assignment.
It's just a matter of long term planning. On that note, can we have an updated FSO schedule please. :salute
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The 412th rotates between Axis and Allies every event, unless the P-51B/D is available, then we request Allies.
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I was going to drop the subject because apparently, I'm out in left field on this one. But what the heck.... :cheers:
After more and more threads were posted on this subject...I realized I was not reading the "Side Preference for Current/Next FSO" correctly.
Didn't realize how "strategic" everyone was about their selections. Explains a bit more...pretty much wasted two years in FSO before that was explained how that "system" works. Hopefully some of the newer FSO squads will either read up on the forums or pick up on how the "system" works.
If squad "A" flys for the Allied in an Allied vs. Germany event. The next Allied vs. Germany event then they should fly German.
If squad "B" flys for Germany in an Allied vs. Germany event. The next Allied vs. Germany event they should be Allied.
I understand how people would get upset with a set up like the one above, they couldn't work the "system". I just find it hard to believe that with 45 squads (minus the one I'm in) ....44 squads change their requests for Allied vs. Axis every scenario.
Disclaimer: All type above this line was strictly my opinion. :salute
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Not every squad changes their preference every month. Its a known fact that Stampf's squad flies axis exclusively, with the rare exception of when a certian allied plane becomes available, then they will in all likelyhood request allied. I think there a couple other squads as well who are axis when Luftwaffe aircraft are involved. So looking ahead is well worth your time and effort here as Kuya stated.
Hope this does help you out and the situation can be avoided in the future
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Looks like an awful end to the first quarter!
Vlkyrie1 <S>
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Not every squad changes their preference every month. Its a known fact that Stampf's squad flies axis exclusively, with the rare exception of when a certian allied plane becomes available, then they will in all likelyhood request allied. I think there a couple other squads as well who are axis when Luftwaffe aircraft are involved. So looking ahead is well worth your time and effort here as Kuya stated.
Hope this does help you out and the situation can be avoided in the future
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Yes, a few more dedicated Axis units would be great. I am sure the USNavy guys would appreciate that. Axis is always short requests in the Pacific. So we volunteer to fill that role, in consideration of the fact we also always request Luftwaffe in Europe. Additionally, in 4+ years of FSO, one could count how many times we have flown Allied, on one hand.
JG11 always offers to switch sides, on the rare occasion we request and are assigned Allies in the Pacific, with any squad requesting Allies and getting assigned Axis. That being said, we will gladly fly for the rising sun, again this month. Great set up it looks like. Should be great.
FSO is not meant to be a tit for tat Axis one week, Allies the next kind of set up. This is about Squadron Operations. Some good advise was given about how to plan your requests. It also does not hurt to put up a respectfully worded post to the CM team. They tend to work with everyone around here.
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Good luck to JG11 in Frame 2. It's gonna be a tough match (still trying to "win" my first frame. I would have last time out if not for some illegal rearms :furious :furious :furious ).
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Frame 2 Axis C-in-C, confirmed. :salute
The Unforgiven were kind enough to swap frames with me, after I learned that my wife had bought me a birthday present of tickets to see John Mayall the night of Frame Two. So I'll be absent for Frame 2, and C-in-C for Frame 3.