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Title: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Kazaa on February 01, 2010, 12:16:21 PM
Front page.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: waystin2 on February 01, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
Looks nice HTC.  Thanks for the update on status of WWI arena.... :aok
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Yeager on February 01, 2010, 12:31:56 PM
Agreed very much.  I am really needing this new era to keep things interesting, and the update really is appreciated  :cheers:
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Raptor on February 01, 2010, 12:35:27 PM
Bristol F.2B looks like fun. Anyone else notice the canopy hangar?
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: BaldEagl on February 01, 2010, 12:43:35 PM
Awsome job on the Bristol Superfly.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: JunkyII on February 01, 2010, 12:52:20 PM
Bristol F.2B looks like fun. Anyone else notice the canopy hangar?
You can see a wheel to some type of truck/cart too.....looks AWESOME :salute
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Ghosth on February 01, 2010, 01:00:01 PM
Looks great, can't wait! 

<S> HTC
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: RaptorL on February 01, 2010, 01:02:58 PM
Its a work of art HTC.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: dunnrite on February 01, 2010, 01:05:11 PM
You can see a wheel to some type of truck/cart too.....looks AWESOME :salute

I saw that, too. :noid
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 01, 2010, 01:12:56 PM
Looks gorgeous!!!

But.....ummmmmm....... errrrrrr.

Dont they fly better with props?

LOL

Missing the prop spinning motion thingie.

Not a knock. Just a tongue in cheek observation. Looks absolutely fantastic though
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: xNOVAx on February 01, 2010, 01:38:34 PM
Looks gorgeous!!!

But.....ummmmmm....... errrrrrr.

Dont they fly better with props?

LOL

Missing the prop spinning motion thingie.

Not a knock. Just a tongue in cheek observation. Looks absolutely fantastic though


LOL yeah.. I've always thought that the spinning props should be darker.. Your cant even see them...
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Strip on February 01, 2010, 01:40:41 PM
You can see a wheel to some type of truck/cart too.....looks AWESOME :salute

I noticed that, was going to post something until I read yours...

I wonder what else HTC is hiding?

Strip
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: BMathis on February 01, 2010, 01:43:12 PM
That is so awesome!  I CANNOT WAIT!  :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: CptTrips on February 01, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
Whooooot!

Its ALLLLLLLLLLLLL happening!!!!!!!!!!
 

:rock,
Wab
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: FireDrgn on February 01, 2010, 02:10:38 PM
I wonder if we will be able to join  plane...... get a gunner or do we have to fire looking backwards.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: humble on February 01, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
so were just waiting on the d.VII now?
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Motherland on February 01, 2010, 02:17:51 PM
What a hideous aircraft... nice 3D model, though :D

I guess all of the debugging is in the damage model? Should be interesting...
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: waystin2 on February 01, 2010, 02:30:47 PM
I wonder if we will be able to join  plane...... get a gunner or do we have to fire looking backwards.


Either way, mo gun = mo fun! :D
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 01, 2010, 02:53:33 PM


I guess all of the debugging is in the damage model? Should be interesting...

I personally would be interested in some sort of overview as to what the new damage modeling is going to be like.

If this question has been addressed already. could someone put up the link to the thread please.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: texastc316 on February 01, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
I'm sure there will be quite a write up on the damage model when they release it. Of course if HTC wanted to fill us in a little ealry with the details, I wouldn't compain ;)
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: whiteman on February 01, 2010, 03:09:17 PM
now i think i would enjoy gunning for someone in that, kinda like from an sbd in a dog fight in the MA's.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: 999000 on February 01, 2010, 05:14:43 PM
It's got a tail gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
999000
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: texastc316 on February 01, 2010, 05:17:07 PM
Perk it!
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: jolly22 on February 01, 2010, 05:34:31 PM
cv plane too???? its got some hanging from the back of the plane near the tailwheel.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: whiteman on February 01, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
my guess is that is a skid instead of using a tail wheel, don't know the technical terms for it.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: ImADot on February 01, 2010, 06:25:56 PM
my guess is that is a skid instead of using a tail wheel, don't know the technical terms for it.

It's a Deffelmeyer device.  The pilots (in keeping with clarity and brevity) called it what it does...a skid.
 :D
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: trax1 on February 01, 2010, 06:38:04 PM
I wonder if we will be able to join  plane...... get a gunner or do we have to fire looking backwards.

It has a forward firing .303 gun as well.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 01, 2010, 07:00:23 PM
It has a forward firing .303 gun as well.

Let me be the first to say.

The damn things overmodeled!  ;)
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: CptTrips on February 01, 2010, 07:00:53 PM
My biggest fear is that I will re-activate my account just for this arena but won't be able to get into the dang thing for 6 weeks because of arena cap!  

:O,
Wab

Title: That lower wing worry
Post by: Oldman731 on February 01, 2010, 07:01:57 PM
When I was in Brussels last April I had the opportunity to visit the very well stocked military museum they have there.  One of their exhibits is a genuine F2B.  I'd always wondered whether the lower wing really was attached by a few nuts and bolts.  It was:  

 http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1970/dscn0438jh.jpg

Those guys had a lot of trust.

- oldman
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: gon4beer on February 01, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
Loved flyin in the f2b or CL2.Dive bye and under and then spray there belly. See their wings shake while they looked for ya. mmmm
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Clone155 on February 01, 2010, 09:20:34 PM
Man this looks like fun!
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: bravoa8 on February 01, 2010, 10:10:28 PM
 :aok Nice work Superfly,and the rest of the modelers! It looks great! :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Ghosth on February 02, 2010, 05:23:16 AM
AKWabbit, ever notice how big the cap is on midwar, earlyway? Normally its set fairly high for all but the late war twins.

I really doubt it will be an issue.

I do think you'll see lots of folks the first 2 weeks, and that it will taper off after that.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: RaptorL on February 02, 2010, 07:26:33 AM
Someone should totally make a music video Of Snoopy Vs The Red Baron when the WWI arena comes out.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: CptTrips on February 02, 2010, 08:56:29 AM
AKWabbit, ever notice how big the cap is on midwar, earlyway? Normally its set fairly high for all but the late war twins.

I really doubt it will be an issue.

I do think you'll see lots of folks the first 2 weeks, and that it will taper off after that.


I think you're right.  At least thats what I'm gambling on.  :pray

And its not like the WWII arena's aren't entertaining, but it the WWI that I'm coming back for.

 :airplane:,
Wab






Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: tassos on February 02, 2010, 09:43:32 AM
You guys dont even want to Fly Spit 1 ore be in Early war,want do you want with this plane?


The 2 weeks arena will be open in 2 weeks
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: CptTrips on February 02, 2010, 10:03:39 AM
You guys dont even want to Fly Spit 1 ore be in Early war,want do you want with this plane?


The 2 weeks arena will be open in 2 weeks


Different strokes for different folks.
If you're not in to it, then don't worry about it.

 :),
Wab
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Sunka on February 02, 2010, 01:02:48 PM
Someone should totally make a music video Of Snoopy Vs The Red Baron when the WWI arena comes out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf---13Q0g
 :D
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: RaptorL on February 02, 2010, 02:35:32 PM
Nah. Not that one this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSrjFtTPtbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSrjFtTPtbo)
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: jay on February 02, 2010, 04:32:00 PM
not even sure of my graphic card is up to flying WWI   :headscratch:    :uhoh
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: mensa180 on February 02, 2010, 11:17:54 PM
Oh man am I going to have fun gunning in that thing.

Paging Soulyss as chauffeur...
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: trax1 on February 03, 2010, 08:18:48 AM
My biggest fear is that I will re-activate my account just for this arena but won't be able to get into the dang thing for 6 weeks because of arena cap! 

:O,
Wab


I don't think they would ever let the arena cap in a single arena or the WW1 arena to be exceeded, I think that if it started to get close to the cap number they would just automatically raise it.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Megalodon on February 03, 2010, 11:55:43 AM
will it have 2 or 1 gun in the back?
(http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/wp-content/gallery/f2b-eduard-8488/bristol-fighter-armament.jpg)

Betty with her gunners one for each gun.
(http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/1a/images/imag0521.jpg)
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: tassos on February 03, 2010, 12:33:13 PM
will it have 2 or 1 gun in the back?
(http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/wp-content/gallery/f2b-eduard-8488/bristol-fighter-armament.jpg)

Betty with her gunners one for each gun.
(http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/1a/images/imag0521.jpg)
:aok
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Superfly on February 03, 2010, 12:34:58 PM
Only 1 gun on the back.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: CptTrips on February 03, 2010, 12:39:53 PM
Only 1 gun on the back.

They're lookin sweet Fly!

Wab
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Megalodon on February 03, 2010, 03:41:08 PM
Only 1 gun on the back.

Thanks Super :)

How bout an Aldis gunsight?

quite a few photos with them installed in a F.2B and a good page for skinners.

http://wingnutwings.com/ww/739377A47475B2388FAF2C217B1E8866 (http://wingnutwings.com/ww/739377A47475B2388FAF2C217B1E8866)
2nd from the left bottom row: Shows the cord for opening the lens cap. The cap was used to keep the oil off the lense :) great shot!


Note: Many other planes made use of them as well in combination with the ring and dot.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: LLogann on February 03, 2010, 06:16:43 PM
 :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl

Quote
The news had come out in the First World War
The bloody Red Baron was flying once more
The Allied command ignored all of its men
And called on Snoopy to do it again.

Twas the night before Christmas, 40 below
When Snoopy went up in search of his foe
He spied the Red Baron, fiercely they fought
With ice on his wings Snoopy knew he was caught.

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ring out from the land
Asking peace of all the world
And good will to man

The Baron had Snoopy dead in his sights
He reached for the trigger to pull it up tight
Why he didn't shoot, well, we'll never know
Or was it the bells from the village below.

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ringing through the land
Bringing peace to all the world
And good will to man

The Baron made Snoopy fly to the Rhine
And forced him to land behind the enemy lines
Snoopy was certain that this was the end
When the Baron cried out, "Merry Christmas, my friend"

The Baron then offered a holiday toast
And Snoopy, our hero, saluted his host
And then with a roar they were both on their way
Each knowing they'd meet on some other day.

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ringing through the land
Bringing peace to all the world
And good will to man

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ringing through the land
Bringing peace to all the world
And good will to man

Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: wgmount on February 03, 2010, 11:49:55 PM
Still teasing us huh? Come on make something available in the TA so I can crash it in the lake. :D
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: BMathis on February 04, 2010, 08:31:20 AM
Thanks Super :)

How bout an Aldis gunsight?

quite a few photos with them installed in a F.2B and a good page for skinners.

http://wingnutwings.com/ww/739377A47475B2388FAF2C217B1E8866 (http://wingnutwings.com/ww/739377A47475B2388FAF2C217B1E8866)
2nd from the left bottom row: Shows the cord for opening the lens cap. The cap was used to keep the oil off the lense :) great shot!


Note: Many other planes made use of them as well in combination with the ring and dot.


Great pictures there. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: CptTrips on February 04, 2010, 10:32:37 AM
Great pictures there. Thanks for sharing.

I thought I've always read that the aldis was pretty useless.  I can't image having to lean foward and put my eye up to a telescope in the middle of a dogfight.  If you're that far away, aren't you too far to be shooting?

 :joystick:,
Wab
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Megalodon on February 04, 2010, 11:57:02 AM
I thought I've always read that the aldis was pretty useless.  I can't image having to lean foward and put my eye up to a telescope in the middle of a dogfight.  If you're that far away, aren't you too far to be shooting?

 :joystick:,
Wab

Well Wab,

I think your right about the 1st edition but it was magnified. when they took out the magnification 1v3 to 1v1 and changed from cross hairs to circles, it made all the difference.

"In 1915 Martlesham Heath tested an optical sight submitted by the Aldis Brothers of Sparkhill, Birmingham. It consisted of a 559 mm (22 in) metal tube containing lenses giving a magnification of x 3 and a cross-hair aiming mark. The new sight was mounted on the cowling of a Be.2c with a Lewis gun on the upper wing, and firing tests were carried out at ground targets. The sight proved more accurate than the ring and bead, though on one occasion the pilot nearly flew into the ground whilst looking through it! The sight was then tested in air fighting manoeuvres. Magnification of the field of view often made it difficult to locate the target quickly. Another problem was that the front lens was prone to fouling by oil from the engine, and it was also no longer possible to estimate target range by comparing the wingspan with the ring diameter. Hugh Aldis was therefore asked to submit a sight without magnification, but with a circular graticule which could be used for range-finding, and possibly, deflection. A spring-loaded oil flap was fitted, and leather-lined adjustable clamps mounted on short sturdy brackets were supplied.

"Production Aldis sights were issued to selected front-line squadrons for operational trials in mid-1916. Pilots found the Aldis superior to the ring and bead, and news of a secret new gunsight soon spread to other squadrons. The Aldis was said to possess almost magical powers, and at a time of high casualties the authorities did nothing to dispel these rumours.

By 1917 the Aldis had become the standard British sight for fixed guns. It was usually mounted on the right side of the engine cowling, with the ring and bead on the left. A smaller version was used on large guns such as the Davis and COW, and a version for anti-aircraft guns had a prism which could be clipped into the field of view, giving a set deflection of 30 degrees."

Some also had the ring and bead mounted directly on top of the Aldis sight like in the Camel.
The sight could be used as little as 5" and as far as 12" away. In a few planes the sights were put right through the windshield and in some case's the windshield was just removed.

Here is a good write up about a few of the wwI sights, the Aldis is "part 7"

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=17649 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=17649)

 :salute



Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: CptTrips on February 04, 2010, 12:39:44 PM
Well Wab,

I think your right about the 1st edition but it was magnified. when they took out the magnification 1v3 to 1v1 and changed from cross hairs to circles, it made all the difference.

Cool info.  yeah, I guess it could be tied to the zoom-view button to auto-move your head over to behind the sight.  That'd be interesting.  Might be a good trial for some of the WWII craft that had something similar.  Didn't one of the navy dive bombers have a telescopic sight?  Didn't "Aces of the Pacific" have something like that?

Regards,
Wab
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Megalodon on February 04, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Cool info.  yeah, I guess it could be tied to the zoom-view button to auto-move your head over to behind the sight.  That'd be interesting.  Might be a good trial for some of the WWII craft that had something similar.  Didn't one of the navy dive bombers have a telescopic sight?  Didn't "Aces of the Pacific" have something like that?

Regards,
Wab


The 1st edition wasn't used only tested. The sight had no magnification! as it says ^

In the F.2b the sight was mounted in the middle since the gun was underneath the cowling.

(http://www.theaerodrome.com/classifieds/data/2/thumbs/DSCF0148_edited.jpg)

You tell me.

Ace's of the Pacific?   don't know what that is




Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Megalodon on February 04, 2010, 08:50:07 PM
:aok
haha no kidding, this is how they were trained

"If your bad you will lose your parts"
(http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archive/1w/images/F2bMascot.jpg)

seriously... No, 22 squadron  F.2b mascots
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Megalodon on February 06, 2010, 12:20:05 PM

quite a few photos with them installed in a F.2B and a good page for skinners.
2nd from the left bottom row: Shows the cord for opening the lens cap. The cap was used to keep the oil off the lense :) great shot!

F.2b photo page update
http://wingnutwings.com/ww/074E242D0BD0C724925C6A4D89485F6A (http://wingnutwings.com/ww/074E242D0BD0C724925C6A4D89485F6A)
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: IrishOne on February 07, 2010, 11:47:02 PM
+1
Title: Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
Post by: Bruv119 on February 08, 2010, 04:04:23 AM
Mannock shot down four planes. He delightedly announced to the mess hall, "Flamerinoes - four! Sizzle sizzle wonk!"