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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: PJ_Godzilla on February 08, 2010, 07:12:06 AM
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After months of playing, if lucky, 1-2 hours per week, and flying 109s and 190s, I've discovered both the Spits and the N1K2. It was like a revelation. I mean, I'd flown and turnfought Spits before but had little idea how easy it is to wrack up kills in both the Spixteen and Seafire. Saturday, I got an easy ten landed (installments of 2, 3,3,2) kills in the N1K2. I had no idea what a fine bomber buster/dogfighter this thing is. Indeed, on one of my sorties, I approached a triad of B-26s flown by some guy name "Fangsout" and, by slewing the rudder a bit, blew away 2 of em on the first pass and saw the system message before I even knew I'd downed 'em. Dealing with the third was cake after that.
The George is a fine balance of maneuverability, firepower, robustness, and speed. As for the Spits, well, they're just easy - call 'em a Noob special. By the end of my "experiment" away from the LuftStable, I got 17 kills (and died a few times too, just in case anybody thinks I'm braying - though my fighter ranking went from dismal to respectable - I climbed about a thousand spots), two assists in about 2-3 hours this w/e and it precipitated some further thought on other late-war Japanese types.
I found 3 right away that looked intriguing - the Ki-100, Ki-102, and Ki-44. All three meet the, imj, rather silly inclusion criteria - which I'd replace with, "if we've got test data, include 'em, proto, experimental, ALL, as time and priority permit".
The Nakajima Ki-44 shoki was mostly a buffbuster. The Kawasaki Ki-100 was a derivative of the Ki-61 and served as a high altitude interceptor. Oddly, a simple search here at the site revealed nothing on it or the ki-61-ii (using ki-100 I truned up 40 pages of junk that appeared totally unrelated, though I didn't rifle through all of it, ki-61-ii turned up nada). The Kawasaki Ki-102 was a twin groundpounder. This last, at only 241 copies, would, admittedly, have had marginal impact on the war.
As for the Ki-100, it too was produced only in a small quantity (275 copies). The Ki-44, otoh, would've been more significant and HAS been written of here before.
Anyway, I want 'em all and am re-energized on flying again. Also, I died twice at the hands of HiSpd in his Tempest this w/e. He's renewed my appreciation of "that type" of fighting - I guess you'd call it hiE B and Z. In the D-9, though, typically my gunnery lets me down. I miss way too often on my high-speed pass. It's very cool to see that from the victim side, though, to understand how it's meant to work.
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Great addition for the Jap A/C set.
Ki-100: great match against the B-29, effective gun package, good clime rate and excellent speed at high alt. only 395 where build but smaller numbers build depend on what variant.
Ki-44: Good early war A/C to add.
Ki-102: We really do need a twine engine jap fighter A/C. Not sure if this would be one of them do to limited action it saw.
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Great addition for the Jap A/C set.
Ki-100: great match against the B-29, effective gun package, good clime rate and excellent speed at high alt. only 395 where build but smaller numbers build depend on what variant.
Ki-44: Good early war A/C to add.
Ki-102: We really do need a twine engine jap fighter A/C. Not sure if this would be one of them do to limited action it saw.
the Ki-100's speed and performance at high altitude was hampered by the Ha-112-II engine it used and struggled to intercept B-29s when they flew at high altitudes.
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the Ki-100's speed and performance at high altitude was hampered by the Ha-112-II engine it used and struggled to intercept B-29s when they flew at high altitudes.
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Your are right. i over looked on that. it was not as effective at high alt but fair better at med alt.
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PJ_Godzilla,
Look into the J2M3 and J2M5 Raiden 'Jack' as well.
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PJ_Godzilla,
Look into the J2M3 and J2M5 Raiden 'Jack' as well.
Yeah, without either of those...late war Japanese special events are a pain.
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Yeah, without either of those...late war Japanese special events are a pain.
well, there are a few IJ A/C that where active late in the war. problem is that few of them saw limited action or few where produce.
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well, there are a few IJ A/C that where active late in the war. problem is that few of them saw limited action or few where produce.
[insert old rolleyes smiley]
Try doing some research before spouting off.
While it is true that not many J2Ms were built, the type is actually a mid-war design that was canceled and then reinstated because it could intercept B-29s.
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well, there are a few IJ A/C that where active late in the war. problem is that few of them saw limited action or few where produce.
I was just thinking of a way of kicking your B-29s out of the air... :D
Speaking of which, this current FSO...trying to hit B-24s at 25k with Ki-84s is not good...if we had the J2 it would be a different story.
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[insert old rolleyes smiley]
Try doing some research before spouting off.
While it is true that not many J2Ms were built, the type is actually a mid-war design that was canceled and then reinstated because it could intercept B-29s.
I'm familiar... but others have flakked for the Raiden - and will again, I'm sure.
If I recall correctly, Sakae writes of flying a Raiden late-war. I read his book a long time ago.
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I was just thinking of a way of kicking your B-29s out of the air... :D
Speaking of which, this current FSO...trying to hit B-24s at 25k with Ki-84s is not good...if we had the J2 it would be a different story.
Well, we still have the 262 and 163.
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Agree with all of these. More Japanese planes please.
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I was just thinking of a way of kicking your B-29s out of the air... :D
Speaking of which, this current FSO...trying to hit B-24s at 25k with Ki-84s is not good...if we had the J2 it would be a different story.
Is it the airspeed or the guns that make the KI-84 somewhat ineffective against the 24s at 25k??
If its really only the guns, I would like to see the KI-84lb introduced to solve the gun problem. :airplane:
Btw, all of the OPs offerings sound pretty good too!!
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Is it the airspeed or the guns that make the KI-84 somewhat ineffective against the 24s at 25k??
Airspeed, the B-24s flying level were going too fast to actually catch up to...had to dive to gain enough speed then climb and coming up from under them it's a crawl.
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Airspeed, the B-24s flying level were going too fast to actually catch up to...had to dive to gain enough speed then climb and coming up from under them it's a crawl.
B-24s were flying too fast for a proper scenario then. They should have been cruising at about 200mph, not flying full out at about 300mph.
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Historical accuracy and "bombers" do not go together in this game. It's a total laugh.
As for the Ki-100, it's a Ki-61. Same guns, same basic performance (slight difference in the power curves because of the radial engine) but more draggy radial engine.
THe only reason it was made was because they had airframes and no engines. They stuck a radial in, found it easier to maintian, more reliable, but had no better performance than the Ki-61.
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Historical accuracy and "bombers" do not go together in this game. It's a total laugh.
There isn't a real lot of historical accuracy in this "game".
And anyone who expects it is a total laugh. :salute
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You misunderstand me. The planes in this game perform their tasks historically, and their performances match what they could do in WW2, EXCEPT the laughable super-speed bombers, with laser-accurate guns, and 35k-alt performance.
You may have issues with "spits vs spits" action, which isn't historical, but the spits themselves are modeled (mostly) accurate. I have issues with certain parts of the flight models, but gameplay aside, the fighters themselves are well made.
It's the bomber system that's a joke.
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with laser-accurate guns
Yeah, it bugs me sometimes how accurate you can fire the 50cal machine guns with next to no recoil etc
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Yeah, it bugs me sometimes how accurate you can fire the 50cal machine guns with next to no recoil etc
I just plain suck on gunning in bombers. Heck, i suck in the whole game.
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It wasn't my intention to hijack the thread.
There are many japanese planes I'd like to see in-game. Some because they are needed, and some because "it would be fun" to fly them.
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I would prefer the Ki-43, G4M, Ki-21, and the Ki-44. But any Japanese planes would be great, esp for the special events.
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I would prefer the Ki-43, G4M, Ki-21, and the Ki-44. But any Japanese planes would be great, esp for the special events.
I am fully confidence that the AH staff have these on the drawing bored along with other countries A/C, Vehicle, maps, and ships.
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Historical accuracy and "bombers" do not go together in this game. It's a total laugh.
As for the Ki-100, it's a Ki-61. Same guns, same basic performance (slight difference in the power curves because of the radial engine) but more draggy radial engine.
THe only reason it was made was because they had airframes and no engines. They stuck a radial in, found it easier to maintian, more reliable, but had no better performance than the Ki-61.
Yes, basically true per the sources I see... They went over to a Mitsu radial married to the old airframe and, indeed, even called it a Ki-61-II by some accounts, yet, the descriptions you'll see in, for example, Angelucci/Matricardi or http://www.aviastar.org/air/japan/ will describe the Ki-100 as something like the "best" while bemoaning the Ki-61. This latter is reasonable, given the reliability issues around the HA140 but the former puzzles me - I see little compelling reason for the glowing revues of the KI-100 - especially given its mediocre top end. OTOH, it is quite lightweight for the period and for its wing area (looks like lower wingloading heavy than Tony). That coupled with the draggy speed-depressing radial, probably make for a sweet handler.
Of course, none of this means I don't want it for the planeset. MORE IS BETTER, EVEN IF MORE is the TBD Devastator.
Anyway, that's my, "opinion in anal retentiveness" (source/fact-based opinion to all but the sloppy). Accuracy counts and, from what I can see, neither were HE100-based and both are intriguing designs.
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I would prefer the Ki-43, G4M, Ki-21, and the Ki-44. But any Japanese planes would be great, esp for the special events.
Second this post. Add the Ki-27 for AVG bait.
Ever heard John Wayne say "Nakajima?"
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Second this post. Add the Ki-27 for AVG bait.
Ever heard John Wayne say "Nakajima?"
I expect the first "a" sounds just like the "a" sounds when he says "Vietnam".
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I expect the first "a" sounds just like the "a" sounds when he says "Vietnam".
John Wayne starred in "The Flying Tigers" in 1942. Good, shameless propaganda. A guilty pleasure.
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John Wayne starred in "The Flying Tigers" in 1942. Good, shameless propaganda. A guilty pleasure.
Yes - saw it... And, indeed, his pronunciation didn't change b/w that and "The Green Berets" in 1968.
That was good, shameless propaganda... from back in the days when we killed Communists rather than elect them.
What? Did I say that? I have no idea what I mean by such a thing.
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See rules #2, #4, #14
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Gee...it's just amazing how a thread on Japanese fighters turns into a political thread, which I'm sure will turn into a mud slinging thread quite soon.
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Ah, how refreshing, another brainless "Conservative" who doesn't actually know what a Communist is.
Oh Karnak, come off it. You know as well as I that the difference between a socialist and a communist, per the manifesto itself, is merely one of degree. The underlying ethos of redistribution and central planning seems to survive the transition quite intact (though, notably, "pure" communism, also per the manifesto, has never been achieved anywhere - begging the question, on what definition do you base your distinction?). I would note that also, per Marxist theory, that socialism is defined as a transient phase b/w Capitalism and Communism - i.e., per theory, today's socialists are simply laying the groundwork. That you would be uncomfortable with the label is understandable but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you probably shouldn't be afraid to call it a duck.
As for credentials, academic or otherwise, I'm quite comfortable with mine.
Next thing you know, you'll start escalating this ad hominem line, just demonstrating that you'd rather play the man than the ball. In any case, your rather grouchy/tetchy schoolyard taunt doesn't tip me over.
What? Are we upset over the coming deluge of backlash at the annointed one's manifold failures?
Hahaha... Be upset - be very upset. You're quite right about one thing - communism won't see the light of day here, ever. We'll happily snuff it out in its retarded adolescence. Too bad it's leaving such a hefty tab...
Otherwise, I'll cop to a little hyperbole, but then, I'm ex-FSA - thus cadre to you. There's nothing like throwing a lit butt into the rattler pile - and the rattlers are none too happy to start lately.
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Yes, basically true per the sources I see... They went over to a Mitsu radial married to the old airframe and, indeed, even called it a Ki-61-II by some accounts, yet, the descriptions you'll see in, for example, Angelucci/Matricardi or http://www.aviastar.org/air/japan/ will describe the Ki-100 as something like the "best" while bemoaning the Ki-61. This latter is reasonable, given the reliability issues around the HA140 but the former puzzles me - I see little compelling reason for the glowing revues of the KI-100 - especially given its mediocre top end.
There are a lot of lies, urban myths, and half-truths being circulated around the 'Net and in lower-quality books (ones without much fact checking?) that state the Ki-100 was this uber super plane. IMO, it's the "100" monicker, maybe.
As you, yourself, pointed out the specs tell the story. Comparable to a Ki-61, so you can use your own judgement on whether it was "uber" or not.
P.S. There's a story going around with many japanese aircraft where "fill in the blank aircraft type" ran into Hellcats on its first mission and wiped out 16 of them (give or take). This has been proven wrong, and furthermore it keeps popping up for different plane types. One of them is the Ki-100. This falls into that myth category I mentioned (or maybe lie if intentional).
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There are a lot of lies, urban myths, and half-truths being circulated around the 'Net and in lower-quality books (ones without much fact checking?) that state the Ki-100 was this uber super plane. IMO, it's the "100" monicker, maybe.
As you, yourself, pointed out the specs tell the story. Comparable to a Ki-61, so you can use your own judgement on whether it was "uber" or not.
P.S. There's a story going around with many japanese aircraft where "fill in the blank aircraft type" ran into Hellcats on its first mission and wiped out 16 of them (give or take). This has been proven wrong, and furthermore it keeps popping up for different plane types. One of them is the Ki-100. This falls into that myth category I mentioned (or maybe lie if intentional).
Indeed... looks like another sweet handler, though, albeit within the alt band. Reading further, the deletion of the liquid cooling did make for a weight and loading improvement, so my guess may be right... slower and more lightly laden than the Ki-61.
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I'm familiar... but others have flakked for the Raiden - and will again, I'm sure.
If I recall correctly, Sakae writes of flying a Raiden late-war. I read his book a long time ago.
He didn't like the plane but a pilot by the name of Sadaaka Akamastu loved the plane.
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at the time, there was alot of propogander too..when they check the records now, one side will say we scored 60 air victories on this day, where as the other country might only have had recored 14 losses etc...
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would rather see the KI-45 b4 the 102
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Oh Karnak, come off it. You know as well as I that the difference between a socialist and a communist, per the manifesto itself, is merely one of degree. The underlying ethos of redistribution and central planning seems to survive the transition quite intact (though, notably, "pure" communism, also per the manifesto, has never been achieved anywhere - begging the question, on what definition do you base your distinction?). I would note that also, per Marxist theory, that socialism is defined as a transient phase b/w Capitalism and Communism - i.e., per theory, today's socialists are simply laying the groundwork. That you would be uncomfortable with the label is understandable but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you probably shouldn't be afraid to call it a duck.
As for credentials, academic or otherwise, I'm quite comfortable with mine.
Next thing you know, you'll start escalating this ad hominem line, just demonstrating that you'd rather play the man than the ball. In any case, your rather grouchy/tetchy schoolyard taunt doesn't tip me over.
What? Are we upset over the coming deluge of backlash at the annointed one's manifold failures?
Hahaha... Be upset - be very upset. You're quite right about one thing - communism won't see the light of day here, ever. We'll happily snuff it out in its retarded adolescence. Too bad it's leaving such a hefty tab...
Otherwise, I'll cop to a little hyperbole, but then, I'm ex-FSA - thus cadre to you. There's nothing like throwing a lit butt into the rattler pile - and the rattlers are none too happy to start lately.
PWND :rofl :rofl :bolt:
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Yeah, without either of those...late war Japanese special events are a pain.
I saw this and I immediately wondered... why do you say that?
The Ki 84, N1K, and Ki 61 are fantastic, competitive aircraft. It's a funny thing that in fact I tend to do better in the Pacific than European theaters considering why I play the game.
Not saying that the Japanese planeset is filled out, but I always get more of a pain in my head when I see that it's early Pacific, not late Pacific, due to the substitutions that will certainly take place on either side.
That you would be uncomfortable with the label is understandable but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you probably shouldn't be afraid to call it a duck.
If it honks like a goose and it honks like a goose, you shouldn't call it a transitory phase between a chicken and a duck, either!
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I saw this and I immediately wondered... why do you say that?
The Ki 84, N1K, and Ki 61 are fantastic, competitive aircraft. It's a funny thing that in fact I tend to do better in the Pacific than European theaters considering why I play the game.
Not saying that the Japanese planeset is filled out, but I always get more of a pain in my head when I see that it's early Pacific, not late Pacific, due to the substitutions that will certainly take place on either side.
If it honks like a goose and it honks like a goose, you shouldn't call it a transitory phase between a chicken and a duck, either!
Indeed, but if it walks/acts/quacks like a duckling, it'll probably grow into a duck, left to its own devices. .e., same species, different phase, again per the manifesto.
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PWND :rofl :rofl :bolt:
Well, I'm glad you were entertained. Now, can someone PLEASE tell me what the pwnd acronym stands for? I know wha tit means, I just need the literal since I see it used all over around here. One of our more narcissistic members claims his mustache will pwn you, for god's sake (and I mean rice wine). That thing'd probably feel like a bristle brush - when it tosses my salad (and boy would my wife be shocked).
300 posts, making a habit of annoying the superannuated Austin Berkproglib... hmmm... must mean it's time to graduate to nickel membership.
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Gee...it's just amazing how a thread on Japanese fighters turns into a political thread, which I'm sure will turn into a mud slinging thread quite soon.
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like this
(http://www.lakersbrethren.net/files/FlingPooLMAO.jpg)
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For Godzilla hope this answers your question about pwnd
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd
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For Godzilla hope this answers your question about pwnd
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd
Hmm. Interesting, according to the internet slang dictionary I looked at, there is no literal other than "owned" with a typo. Here I was expecting an acronym but pwn has pwnd me.
Monkeys throwing crap... I like it. Actually, having taken some kids to the zoo not too long ago, I'd counsel people to avoid the apehouse, since it leads to lots of embarassing questions. Not only will the aforementioned behavior be on prominent display, so will a number of other "questionables" - like, for example, what we might call "thumbwrestling with cyclops" or "boxing the baldheaded champ".
Uncle PJ, what's that monkey doing?
He's compensating. Now lets go to the reptile house.
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For Godzilla hope this answers your question about pwnd
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd
I need to also express appreciation for the phatzo avatar - it looks like a perv about to take some biz-ay-otch from behind.
Nothing says "quality" like that. I am gratified. :aok
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Ah, how refreshing, another brainless "Conservative" who doesn't actually know what a Communist is.
Wow.... is Scuzzy on vacation. If I posted this a 30 ban would be in the mail.
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Wow.... is Scuzzy on vacation. If I posted this a 30 ban would be in the mail.
It is, as I noted in my reply, an ad hominem attack. I don't retaliate in kind because history and the facts are on my side - see my response.
The thing you have to realize about the ad hominem is that, at least in debate circles, it's considered something like surrendering the point - and doing so gracelessly.
And, as Steve once said regarding Hogs who will slow way down with their uberflaps to out-turn your diving pass, "that's like surrendering and when they do that, you should kill 'em every time".
He took the bait. It's not the first time I've seen him get all grumpy and irrational. It doesn't make him a bad sort. It just means he's got some "issues". :D
That and he's an old-timer - i.e., he's got an account upon which to draw w/r transgressions, probably. Hell, I bet he and skuzzy are on a first-name basis.