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Offline PJ_Godzilla

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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2010, 12:34:08 PM »
Ah, how refreshing, another brainless "Conservative" who doesn't actually know what a Communist is.

Oh Karnak, come off it. You know as well as I that the difference between a socialist and a communist, per the manifesto itself, is merely one of degree. The underlying ethos of redistribution and central planning seems to survive the transition quite intact (though, notably, "pure" communism, also per the manifesto, has never been achieved anywhere - begging the question, on what definition do you base your distinction?). I would note that also, per Marxist theory, that socialism is defined as a transient phase b/w Capitalism and Communism - i.e., per theory, today's socialists are simply laying the groundwork. That you would be uncomfortable with the label is understandable but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you probably shouldn't be afraid to call it a duck.

As for credentials, academic or otherwise, I'm quite comfortable with mine.
 
Next thing you know, you'll start escalating this ad hominem line, just demonstrating that you'd rather play the man than the ball. In any case, your rather grouchy/tetchy schoolyard taunt doesn't tip me over.

What? Are we upset over the coming deluge of backlash at the annointed one's manifold failures?

Hahaha... Be upset - be very upset. You're quite right about one thing - communism won't see the light of day here, ever. We'll happily snuff it out in its retarded adolescence. Too bad it's leaving such a hefty tab...

Otherwise, I'll cop to a little hyperbole, but then, I'm ex-FSA - thus cadre to you. There's nothing like throwing a lit butt into the rattler pile - and the rattlers are none too happy to start lately.




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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2010, 12:38:15 PM »
Yes, basically true per the sources I see... They went over to a Mitsu radial married to the old airframe and, indeed, even called it a Ki-61-II by some accounts, yet, the descriptions you'll see in, for example, Angelucci/Matricardi or http://www.aviastar.org/air/japan/ will describe the Ki-100 as something like the "best" while bemoaning the Ki-61. This latter is reasonable, given the reliability issues around the HA140 but the former puzzles me - I see little compelling reason for the glowing revues of the KI-100 - especially given its mediocre top end.

There are a lot of lies, urban myths, and half-truths being circulated around the 'Net and in lower-quality books (ones without much fact checking?) that state the Ki-100 was this uber super plane. IMO, it's the "100" monicker, maybe.

As you, yourself, pointed out the specs tell the story. Comparable to a Ki-61, so you can use your own judgement on whether it was "uber" or not.


P.S. There's a story going around with many japanese aircraft where "fill in the blank aircraft type" ran into Hellcats on its first mission and wiped out 16 of them (give or take). This has been proven wrong, and furthermore it keeps popping up for different plane types. One of them is the Ki-100. This falls into that myth category I mentioned (or maybe lie if intentional).

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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2010, 12:54:11 PM »
There are a lot of lies, urban myths, and half-truths being circulated around the 'Net and in lower-quality books (ones without much fact checking?) that state the Ki-100 was this uber super plane. IMO, it's the "100" monicker, maybe.

As you, yourself, pointed out the specs tell the story. Comparable to a Ki-61, so you can use your own judgement on whether it was "uber" or not.


P.S. There's a story going around with many japanese aircraft where "fill in the blank aircraft type" ran into Hellcats on its first mission and wiped out 16 of them (give or take). This has been proven wrong, and furthermore it keeps popping up for different plane types. One of them is the Ki-100. This falls into that myth category I mentioned (or maybe lie if intentional).

Indeed... looks like another sweet handler, though, albeit within the alt band. Reading further, the deletion of the liquid cooling did make for a weight and loading improvement, so my guess may be right... slower and more lightly laden than the Ki-61.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2010, 02:20:14 PM »
I'm familiar... but others have flakked for the Raiden - and will again, I'm sure.

If I recall correctly, Sakae writes of flying a Raiden late-war. I read his book a long time ago.


He didn't like the plane but a pilot by the name of Sadaaka Akamastu loved the plane.

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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2010, 06:17:03 PM »
at the time, there was alot of propogander too..when they check the records now, one side will say we scored 60 air victories on this day, where as the other country might only have had recored 14 losses etc...
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2010, 07:00:30 PM »
would rather see the KI-45 b4 the 102
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2010, 07:37:05 PM »
Oh Karnak, come off it. You know as well as I that the difference between a socialist and a communist, per the manifesto itself, is merely one of degree. The underlying ethos of redistribution and central planning seems to survive the transition quite intact (though, notably, "pure" communism, also per the manifesto, has never been achieved anywhere - begging the question, on what definition do you base your distinction?). I would note that also, per Marxist theory, that socialism is defined as a transient phase b/w Capitalism and Communism - i.e., per theory, today's socialists are simply laying the groundwork. That you would be uncomfortable with the label is understandable but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you probably shouldn't be afraid to call it a duck.

As for credentials, academic or otherwise, I'm quite comfortable with mine.

 
Next thing you know, you'll start escalating this ad hominem line, just demonstrating that you'd rather play the man than the ball. In any case, your rather grouchy/tetchy schoolyard taunt doesn't tip me over.

What? Are we upset over the coming deluge of backlash at the annointed one's manifold failures?

Hahaha... Be upset - be very upset. You're quite right about one thing - communism won't see the light of day here, ever. We'll happily snuff it out in its retarded adolescence. Too bad it's leaving such a hefty tab...

Otherwise, I'll cop to a little hyperbole, but then, I'm ex-FSA - thus cadre to you. There's nothing like throwing a lit butt into the rattler pile - and the rattlers are none too happy to start lately.







PWND  :rofl :rofl        :bolt:

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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2010, 08:50:41 PM »
Yeah, without either of those...late war Japanese special events are a pain.
I saw this and I immediately wondered... why do you say that?
The Ki 84, N1K, and Ki 61 are fantastic, competitive aircraft. It's a funny thing that in fact I tend to do better in the Pacific than European theaters considering why I play the game.
Not saying that the Japanese planeset is filled out, but I always get more of a pain in my head when I see that it's early Pacific, not late Pacific, due to the substitutions that will certainly take place on either side.



That you would be uncomfortable with the label is understandable but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you probably shouldn't be afraid to call it a duck.
If it honks like a goose and it honks like a goose, you shouldn't call it a transitory phase between a chicken and a duck, either!
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2010, 09:28:19 PM »
I saw this and I immediately wondered... why do you say that?
The Ki 84, N1K, and Ki 61 are fantastic, competitive aircraft. It's a funny thing that in fact I tend to do better in the Pacific than European theaters considering why I play the game.
Not saying that the Japanese planeset is filled out, but I always get more of a pain in my head when I see that it's early Pacific, not late Pacific, due to the substitutions that will certainly take place on either side.


If it honks like a goose and it honks like a goose, you shouldn't call it a transitory phase between a chicken and a duck, either!

Indeed, but if it walks/acts/quacks like a duckling, it'll probably grow into a duck, left to its own devices. .e., same species, different phase, again per the manifesto.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2010, 09:35:03 PM »

PWND  :rofl :rofl        :bolt:

Well, I'm glad you were entertained. Now, can someone PLEASE tell me what the pwnd acronym stands for? I know wha tit means, I just need the literal since I see it used all over around here. One of our more narcissistic members claims his mustache will pwn you, for god's sake (and I mean rice wine). That thing'd probably feel like a bristle brush  - when it tosses my salad (and boy would my wife be shocked).

300 posts, making a habit of annoying the superannuated Austin Berkproglib... hmmm... must mean it's time to graduate to nickel membership.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2010, 10:59:52 PM »
Gee...it's just amazing how a thread on Japanese fighters turns into a political thread, which I'm sure will turn into a mud slinging thread quite soon.


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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2010, 11:01:44 PM »
For Godzilla hope this answers your question about pwnd

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2010, 07:17:54 AM »
For Godzilla hope this answers your question about pwnd

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd

Hmm. Interesting, according to the internet slang dictionary I looked at, there is no literal other than "owned" with a typo. Here I was expecting an acronym but pwn has pwnd me.

Monkeys throwing crap... I like it. Actually, having taken some kids to the zoo not too long ago, I'd counsel people to avoid the apehouse, since it leads to lots of embarassing questions. Not only will the aforementioned behavior be on prominent display, so will a number of other "questionables" - like, for example, what we might call "thumbwrestling with cyclops" or "boxing the baldheaded champ".

Uncle PJ, what's that monkey doing?
He's compensating. Now lets go to the reptile house.
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2010, 07:38:12 AM »
For Godzilla hope this answers your question about pwnd

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd

I need to also express appreciation for the phatzo avatar - it looks like a perv about to take some biz-ay-otch from behind.

Nothing says "quality" like that. I am gratified.  :aok
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Re: Ki-44, Ki-100, KI-102, por favor...
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2010, 03:40:05 PM »
Ah, how refreshing, another brainless "Conservative" who doesn't actually know what a Communist is.


Wow.... is Scuzzy on vacation. If I posted this a 30 ban would be in the mail.