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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: oakranger on February 13, 2010, 02:11:45 AM
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Same squad as last frame. What is the point of doing that? It will not count hope you all know that.
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It's getting really old, seeing the same squad not following orders and going after worthless strats.
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In both frame 1 and 2, they bombed and/or strafed the radar factory near by their base. Just to rack up the objective destroyed numbers. Even thought that it will not count for any anything, it is going against the rules, disrespect the CiC/CM, and all the squadrons and making a mockery out of FSO.
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In both frame 1 and 2, they bombed and/or strafed the radar factory near by their base. Just to rack up the objective destroyed numbers. Even thought that it will not count for any anything, it is going against the rules, disrespect the CiC/CM, and all the squadrons and making a mockery out of FSO.
Oh I know... my :huh was a look of bewilderment as to why they did it AGAIN... not a look of not understanding your statement. And I agree with you 100% that it is BS. But, it appears they have gotten a "letter" from the CM Admins... so hopefully that will take care of it.
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no letter yet
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really simple, Why put a factory right next to our base we up at,,,, and it fires at us as we climb out,,,,,, I have a rule of my own, if it fires at you fire back, don't like it, ask for the factories to not be unfreindly,,,,,, that would solve the problem, owe and by the way, we followed orders and did quiet well I must say, I think 1 TBM made it to the CV area,,,,, WTG CLAIM JUMPERS even though they make you take off into enemy fire and expect you to not do anything about it.
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really simple, Why put a factory right next to our base we up at,,,, and it fires at us as we climb out,,,,,, I have a rule of my own, if it fires at you fire back, don't like it, ask for the factories to not be unfreindly,,,,,, that would solve the problem, owe and by the way, we followed orders and did quiet well I must say, I think 1 TBM made it to the CV area,,,,, WTG CLAIM JUMPERS even though they make you take off into enemy fire and expect you to not do anything about it.
You rules do not apply to FSO rules. And if it was such a problem, then why do you have few of you guys in both frames, landed, rearmed, up and hit the radar factory then land again? Some did it three or more times. I think you better find a better excuse.
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really simple, Why put a factory right next to our base we up at,,,, and it fires at us as we climb out,,,,,, I have a rule of my own, if it fires at you fire back, don't like it, ask for the factories to not be unfreindly,,,,,, that would solve the problem, owe and by the way, we followed orders and did quiet well I must say, I think 1 TBM made it to the CV area,,,,, WTG CLAIM JUMPERS even though they make you take off into enemy fire and expect you to not do anything about it.
This has occurred in the past for other scenario's and other squad's. Sometimes we are forced to play within the limitations of the game and cannot have everything our way. Talk to the CM's, and if they can't fix it stay under 3k until you're out of range. It's fairly simple.
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Maybe rolling in the other direction is worth a try, that's what we did when we were assigned that base to launch from. it worked too.
shamus
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We are really sorry we crashed and ruined all or your Black Panther Parties,,,, we will not do it again sorry we hurt your feelings by dropping a factory,,, we will make sure you see your squads name there being your so tired of seeing ours, its just a joke to take this so serious when you didn't hear us gripping about flying around for an hour defending a non-existing CV, if it smells like BS well guys it is. We just went ahead and had fun.
Real sorry for upsetting you guys, IT WON"T HAPPEN AGAIN.
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Might sound harsh. but I am of the opinion that if a squad intentionally goes against the rules of the event. Then that squad should be ejected from said event. No warnings. No second chances.
You would see this problem cleared up rather quickly
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For many that fly FSO, it's all about the mission planning, coordination and performing your duty to support the overall plan of the CiC; not about getting your name in lights. When a squad decides to go off on its own, MA-style, no matter their excuse, it is a selfish thing and that squad's participation in FSO should be carefully reconsidered.
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We are really sorry we crashed and ruined all or your Black Panther Parties,
Attitude like that will get your squad removed from FSO
we will not do it again sorry we hurt your feelings by dropping a factory,,, we will make sure you see your squads name there being your so tired of seeing ours,
FSO is a historical conflicts from 1938 to 1945 and in all theatres of operations. it is not who or what squad can get the most kills or object destroyed. It is each squad to preformed their duty as part of the whole country to carry out their mission and win the event or war. There are no rules of such to get a lot of kills or objects destroy. What you guys did was disrespectful of the whole FSO community. There are some squads that do not get a kill or a assist.
its just a joke to take this so serious when you didn't hear us gripping about flying around for an hour defending a non-existing CV, if it smells like BS well guys it is. We just went ahead and had fun.
Have fun is what it is all about in FSO. There are times that your objective may not go as plane. That will happen sometimes. My squad was assigned to sink a CV but the CV was not where it was supposed to be. We spend a hour looking and end up ditching do to running out of fuel.
Real sorry for upsetting you guys, IT WON"T HAPPEN AGAIN.
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Might sound harsh. but I am of the opinion that if a squad intentionally goes against the rules of the event. Then that squad should be ejected from said event. No warnings. No second chances.
You would see this problem cleared up rather quickly
And like you said it's your opinion, we have been warned, so now please get over yourself and go flame on another thread. Be sure and do a search first for Claim Jumpers.
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OH wow Dred in your post about max alt, you said you thought max alt was 25k but you went ahead and went to 27k, even though it wasn't a rule you thought 25k was the max and went above it anyway, your such a hipocrit!!!! The pot calling the kettle black. :neener:
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I have heard from their C.O. He was very humble and apologetic and I look forward to their continued participation in FSO. :)
Sent Angel. <S>
Black Panther Parties? I am not sure where you are coming from denniswilha, but let me explain something to you. Literally hundreds of players look forward to FSO every Friday night. It takes dozens of hours each week to make it work. Hours put in by squad members, flight leaders, C.O.'s, X.O.'s, CiC's, and CM's. It is not a perfect event. Just about everyone here without exception has had a night or two that sucked because someone else dropped the ball, game limitations, or an error on the part of CM's.
This may come as a shock to you but you're not the ONLY one who has had to take off near enemy fire, never see action, get a lousy ride, die in 10 minutes, disco right when you were about to pull the trigger.
Hurt our feelings? Upset us? I don't think you get it denniswilha. It IS about doing your part so everyone can participate and hopefully enjoy their Friday night with their squadies. It is about respecting the time and effort every FSO player puts in to make this work. It is about allowing squads to occasionally shine with kills, objects destroyed, a job well done by escorting or defending a target.
FSO goes beyond a 'game' as you put it. For many here it is a hobby. If you can't see that, then you are welcome to go play your game in the MA where you will not have to put up with our BS as you put it.
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Well said Dad!
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I'll be there with bells on!!!!!!
Salute to the guys that put it together, I'm sure its not easy, it is a big deal to me, i have invested over a grand in my PC to just play this GAME, it is a Hobby of mine, and if I didn't give a damn I wouldn't be posting my opinion here. I want things to be better is why I voice my opinion and respect each person that does the same. Its flat wrong to flame over that. Don't take what I say disrespectful, is not meant to be that way, but don't call us cheats or say we don't follow rules. We followed our orders and I don't recall anything being posted about not hitting the factories. Never has been posted too. We started doing it and all hell breaks loose because the Claim Jumpers did it.
It has been said for us not to do it so we won't, no problem. This week we don't get ords so I guess we can't even compete for objects destroyed. Big salute guys. Be my last post on this subject, you win!!!! Congrats.
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Don't take what I say disrespectful, is not meant to be that way...
All good then. :) Glad you enjoy FSO and care about it as much as we do. :aok See you in the skies and good luck in Frame 3. :salute
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Don't take what I say disrespectful, is not meant to be that way...
All good then. :) Glad you enjoy FSO and care about it as much as we do. :aok See you in the skies and good luck in Frame 3. :salute
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Don't take what I say disrespectful, is not meant to be that way...
All good then. :) Glad you enjoy FSO and care about it as much as we do. :aok See you in the skies and good luck in Frame 3. :salute
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Don't take what I say disrespectful, is not meant to be that way...
All good then. :) Glad you enjoy FSO and care about it as much as we do. :aok See you in the skies and good luck in Frame 3. :salute
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Holy quadruple post boss :huh. Fingers must be working fast tonight :neener: :bolt:
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LOL tried 4 times to post, but each time it would hang. Hit refresh to make sure it did not post and tried again. So much for a refresh working. LOL :D
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I hate when that happens. If you try to summit it and it hang there. After about 20sec it is a sure thing that it got posted.
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OH wow Dred in your post about max alt, you said you thought max alt was 25k but you went ahead and went to 27k, even though it wasn't a rule you thought 25k was the max and went above it anyway, your such a hipocrit!!!! The pot calling the kettle black. :neener:
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it?
Yes I "unintentionally" went beyond what I thought was max alt.
I also came back down to 23K after that realization.
Im not talking about the unintentional. What you guys did can in no way be explained by "oops we didnt mean to" Particularly since it would seem your entire unit participated in it.
What I said was "I am of the opinion that if a squad intentionally goes against the rules of the event." And also note I said squad and not individual. Though the individuals of a squad should also be held accountable to the squad leader whom by being a squad leader automatically assumes responsibility for its members.
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I'll be there with bells on!!!!!!
Salute to the guys that put it together, I'm sure its not easy, it is a big deal to me, i have invested over a grand in my PC to just play this GAME, it is a Hobby of mine, and if I didn't give a damn I wouldn't be posting my opinion here. I want things to be better is why I voice my opinion and respect each person that does the same. Its flat wrong to flame over that. Don't take what I say disrespectful, is not meant to be that way, but don't call us cheats or say we don't follow rules. We followed our orders and I don't recall anything being posted about not hitting the factories. Never has been posted too. We started doing it and all hell breaks loose because the Claim Jumpers did it.
It has been said for us not to do it so we won't, no problem. This week we don't get ords so I guess we can't even compete for objects destroyed. Big salute guys. Be my last post on this subject, you win!!!! Congrats.
There is an old saying from WWII that fits well here as a rule of thumb. "The mission comes first"
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really simple, Why put a factory right next to our base we up at,,,, and it fires at us as we climb out,,,,,, I have a rule of my own, if it fires at you fire back, don't like it, ask for the factories to not be unfreindly,,,,,, that would solve the problem, owe and by the way, we followed orders and did quiet well I must say, I think 1 TBM made it to the CV area,,,,, WTG CLAIM JUMPERS even though they make you take off into enemy fire and expect you to not do anything about it.
See part of the problem here is the 'tude. Ya really need to lose that. That's one thing right out of the gate. Your group is getting banged for a reason and to the rest of us that do this every week--and for years too btw, have a good reason to bang them. Period. So you need to get over that. I get the whole squad got dissed and you're standing up for them. And that's cool. But "two wrongs" factors in here, bro.
I read in one of your later posts in this thread that you appreciate the time it takes to pull this off every week. I'd say you have no idea until you've personally been a side CO once or twice to actually have a clue as to what's involved. Hours on end of testing and timing routes offline, arranging the mission assignments, trying to get everyone in a ride they'd like if possible--and it isn't always possible. It's a pain for sure. Then it comes to the start of the frame and it's a thousand questions. It's even worse when you've formed a strategy for your frame as the CO and some group just goes all rogue on you and does whatever they wanted to do totally hosing not only your plan of attack but possibly costing the whole side's efforts for the frame. It's a team effort in FSO. That's the only way this works. Unfortunately we seem to be paying a cost for the expansion of players in recent months and it seems this sort of thing is happening most every frame anymore. And as you're finding out it doesn't go unnoticed.
As to the strat shooting at you--well--it does show on the map as enemy does it not? So why did you fly right into it? Anywhere else in the game you fly over an enemy base the acks shoot at ya. So ya tend to avoid flying over them so ya don't get shot at. Make sense? Understand that the strats are a part of the terrain and unlike the bases can't actually be individually changed. You may change some of the fields and some strats may flip but some may not and there's no way to change each one of them. So we just deal with it. By not flying over them. Or by flying near enough to trip the radar if that's a problem regarding your mission. Easy enough. Just wasting time attacking it over and over again just because it shot at you is--well--as quite lame an excuse as there is. Gotta say.
Understand that the style of game play in FSO is a different animal than the MA norm and we've set it up to be that way on purpose. We don't do "scores" here if it doesn't have anything to do with the week's objectives. The focus of every frame is on the objectives given to each side by the CMs each week. Everything else is a monumental waste of everyone's time. We've had guys that have had a problem with "the rules" in the past and they're in the past too. No one's missed them here. Not sayin you're one of them or not but I'm seeing you rush to the defense of this behavior and that's a bad reflection on you whether you want to believe that or not. Wouldn't know you from Adam but I'd say if you like this style of play and can get your head wrapped around the mission based team concept then by all means we're glad to have you along because that's how we roll in FSO. If that's a problem then absolutely hit the MAs.
<S> and hope to see you guys up on Fridays.
Drano
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Here you go new guy........ I'll bash oakranger for you....... We do not do anything prior to Sept. 1 1939. Nothing from '38. (Since Germany has to invade Poland first)
And like you said it's your opinion, we have been warned, so now please get over yourself and go flame on another thread. Be sure and do a search first for Claim Jumpers.
There......... You happy? Whoever you are............ :D
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I'm posting this for a couple of reasons. 1) I can't let my boy Wilha take all the heat. He's a big boy and can handle it, but I'm gonna try and take some for him. 2) There is some innuendo that is being posted regarding the Claim Jumpers as a "rogue" squad. I want to put that to bed by telling you guys what exactly occurred over the past two weeks.
In the first frame of this FSO we were assigned A6Ms and Ki67s to attack a CV group. We flew to target were intercepted as can be expected and sunk the CV while taking down 11 enemy aircraft. As we flew back to base our leadership inquired about secondary targets. This is normal for us. There hasn't been an FSO that I've been apart of w/ the CJs that we haven't asked for a secondary target. Either we are assigned one or they say they don't have anything for us and we RTB. We did not receive a response. Our bombers, feeling frisky after sinking the CV, saw the strat as a target of opportunity. They re-armed, re-upped and blasted it into oblivion.
In the following days we received some heat on these boards regarding that decision. However, we did not receive any sanction from the CiC or CM or whomever is in charge.
Fast forward to week two. We are assigned Ki61s and N1Ks to defend a CV group. Our departure base had a strat on the radar ring. We decided to up, give it what for, and proceed to target. We went on to defend a CV group, that for some reason didn't have a CV, against all attackers except one lonely TBM. We shot down 21 enemy aircraft. We did as ordered, we completed the mission. We stayed on target til we had just enough fuel to land. We re-armed, re-upped and headed back to the assigned sector w/ the idea of defending any straggling attack on our CV. As we headed out a F4U was reported and we proceeded to the sector in which he was reported. We believe it was one of the recon F4Us. Unfortunately, we couldn't find him. Once again our leadership asked for and received no response regarding secondary targets. Myself and the four other N1K's proceeded to the troop strat, did our thing and RTB'd.
That's the story fellas. We completed both of our missions successfully, as assigned. Somewhere along the line the communication broke down between our squad and the FSO organizers. We made a mistake both weeks in attacking those strats. We've been sanctioned and warned regarding that decision. We've apologized. I apologize.
We are not a "rogue" squad that is told to fly to point A then decides that we're gonna fly to point B. We successfully completed our missions. Once again, I apologize to those that had to clean up our mess.
<S> to all.
We'll see you in the skies, hopefully w/ me on your six. :aok
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Gear
Claim Jumpers
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I'm posting this for a couple of reasons. 1) I can't let my boy Wilha take all the heat. He's a big boy and can handle it, but I'm gonna try and take some for him. 2) There is some innuendo that is being posted regarding the Claim Jumpers as a "rogue" squad. I want to put that to bed by telling you guys what exactly occurred over the past two weeks.
In the first frame of this FSO we were assigned A6Ms and Ki67s to attack a CV group. We flew to target were intercepted as can be expected and sunk the CV while taking down 11 enemy aircraft. As we flew back to base our leadership inquired about secondary targets. This is normal for us. There hasn't been an FSO that I've been apart of w/ the CJs that we haven't asked for a secondary target. Either we are assigned one or they say they don't have anything for us and we RTB. We did not receive a response. Our bombers, feeling frisky after sinking the CV, saw the strat as a target of opportunity. They re-armed, re-upped and blasted it into oblivion.
In the following days we received some heat on these boards regarding that decision. However, we did not receive any sanction from the CiC or CM or whomever is in charge.
Fast forward to week two. We are assigned Ki61s and N1Ks to defend a CV group. Our departure base had a strat on the radar ring. We decided to up, give it what for, and proceed to target. We went on to defend a CV group, that for some reason didn't have a CV, against all attackers except one lonely TBM. We shot down 21 enemy aircraft. We did as ordered, we completed the mission. We stayed on target til we had just enough fuel to land. We re-armed, re-upped and headed back to the assigned sector w/ the idea of defending any straggling attack on our CV. As we headed out a F4U was reported and we proceeded to the sector in which he was reported. We believe it was one of the recon F4Us. Unfortunately, we couldn't find him. Once again our leadership asked for and received no response regarding secondary targets. Myself and the four other N1K's proceeded to the troop strat, did our thing and RTB'd.
That's the story fellas. We completed both of our missions successfully, as assigned. Somewhere along the line the communication broke down between our squad and the FSO organizers. We made a mistake both weeks in attacking those strats. We've been sanctioned and warned regarding that decision. We've apologized. I apologize.
We are not a "rogue" squad that is told to fly to point A then decides that we're gonna fly to point B. We successfully completed our missions. Once again, I apologize to those that had to clean up our mess.
<S> to all.
We'll see you in the skies, hopefully w/ me on your six. :aok
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Gear
Claim Jumpers
I do not think anybody is calling you guys a "rouge' squad. It is every time Wilha open his mouth he keeps digging him self into a deeper hole.
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Quote: Oakranger
I do not think anybody is calling you guys a "rouge' squad. It is every time Wilha open his mouth he keeps digging him self into a deeper hole
Prime example of someone not able to end a discussion about Claim Jumpers. It is an endless battle with the few in here that HORDE the forums.
Gearjrk explained it as it all happened, and instead of discussing any of it all you do is direct towards me, {allready apologized}, and flame again.
Nothing said about the starts last week when we did it, we do it this week and you say we have a lack of respect for the Co's and CiC's. Such BS. Where do you get this info from? Read Gears post again and let us know where we were disrespectful, we were warned about it this week , this week, and we've apologized for it, and all you do is keep flaming and creating BS, that was the whole intention of this post and you know it.
Why else did you create this thread?
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Quote: Oakranger
I do not think anybody is calling you guys a "rouge' squad. It is every time Wilha open his mouth he keeps digging him self into a deeper hole
Prime example of someone not able to end a discussion about Claim Jumpers. It is an endless battle with the few in here that HORDE the forums.
Hey. every time you come up with a pathetic excused about hitting the radar factory, i shot you down. It seems that you are the only one that keep making the Clam Jumpers look bad. However, GearJrk stop by, hold your hand and better explained what happen.
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I have posted a link to this thread in our forum, and they all support it to the letter. People like you make this forum smell of S@&t, the only reason you posted this thread was to flame, not solve anything.
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Excellent post Drano, GearJrk.
I just want to comment on one item.
In the following days we received some heat on these boards regarding that decision. However, we did not receive any sanction from the CiC or CM or whomever is in charge.
Which is totally my fault. I actually thought 'I had' contacted you guys about Frame 1, but had not. :eek: Oops. When it happened again in Frame 2 I said to myself, “This has to stop”. I emailed your squad and it was taken care of quite to my satisfaction. :salute
In any case it is all water under the bridge.
Oak and denniswilha you both need to stop posting please.
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Wow, I've never seen the Claim Jumpers so fired up for a FSO! I have pity on the 2 or 3 squads that plan to join up and go head to head with the boys. All I can say is...bring friends, this is going to be fun!
Flifast
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i was that lonely TBM, there was actual 2 TBM's we was about 3 k apart, i got jumped by 9 planes , he got jumped by 7 planes, that's 16 V 2, neither one of us even got a shot off or drop our bombs, CV wasn't there and the rest of our wing got waxed earlier in the flight, Its part of the FSO wither you live or die It doesn't really matter its the recreating (or best they can) of something that happened long before we were ever born, sure alot of the times we get the less desirable plane set and it may not be what we want BUT we fly FSO as a squad, for Fun and Comradely with other squads we don't get to work with in the MA
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Wow, I've never seen the Claim Jumpers so fired up for a FSO! I have pity on the 2 or 3 squads that plan to join up and go head to head with the boys. All I can say is...bring friends, this is going to be fun!
Flifast
Excellent! I trust you will put the resources I've assigned you to good use in Frame Three. :devil
Good luck, and good hunting! :salute
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Yes, practice flights are under way! We'll be ready
As for 68Zoom <S> I wondered who it was that got past 3 layers of scouts and started our investigation of friendly fire deaths! I had them setup to break the attackers up then regroup right where they picked you up. I heard one say you were hard to hit...mainly from being obstructed by a squadies plane! lol
Flifast
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Hard wasn't the word i dont know if i was that TBM , i had like 9 comming in on me no time to even engage it was over that fast, when fire from Niki's completely cuts the back 1/3 of the plane off, yea Prudy much over after that. i was expecting you guys to play with your food for a bit first lol
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For many that fly FSO, it's all about the mission planning, coordination and performing your duty to support the overall plan of the CiC; not about getting your name in lights. When a squad decides to go off on its own, MA-style, no matter their excuse, it is a selfish thing and that squad's participation in FSO should be carefully reconsidered.
Agreed i for one am worried about MA mentality lurking into fso's,whether its fighter's peeling of buffs they should stick with to get all the kills they can,or squads just doing what they want and not fallowing orders.
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Agreed i for one am worried about MA mentality lurking into fso's,whether its fighter's peeling of buffs they should stick with to get all the kills they can,or squads just doing what they want and not fallowing orders.
You will find squads that do one or another.
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You will find squads that do one or another.
Many many squads do both,i could name some besides the 327Th but I'm to sleepy tonight. :D
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You will find squads that do one or another.
Many many squads do both,i could name some besides the 327Th but I'm to sleepy tonight. :D
Sunka, this reads like you are saying that your squad does both of the things you frown upon. Or were you so sleepy you meant the opposite and either you missunderstood oakranger's comment or I did<<<coffee still making.
At this point I either salute your honesty or you squad's honer of FSO's intent. Just not sure which yet :devil
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:lol No more posting for me before bed.I meant mine and other squads fly in both FSO and main,and yes we treat FSO diffrent then main.But my squad basically started koth so we understand special events. :rock