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Offline GearJrk

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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2010, 06:01:02 PM »
I'm posting this for a couple of reasons.  1) I can't let my boy Wilha take all the heat.  He's a big boy and can handle it, but I'm gonna try and take some for him.  2) There is some innuendo that is being posted regarding the Claim Jumpers as a "rogue" squad.  I want to put that to bed by telling you guys what exactly occurred over the past two weeks.

In the first frame of this FSO we were assigned A6Ms and Ki67s to attack a CV group.  We flew to target were intercepted as can be expected and sunk the CV while taking down 11 enemy aircraft.  As we flew back to base our leadership inquired about secondary targets.  This is normal for us.  There hasn't been an FSO that I've been apart of w/ the CJs that we haven't asked for a secondary target.  Either we are assigned one or they say they don't have anything for us and we RTB.  We did not receive a response.  Our bombers, feeling frisky after sinking the CV, saw the strat as a target of opportunity.  They re-armed, re-upped and blasted it into oblivion.

In the following days we received some heat on these boards regarding that decision.  However, we did not receive any sanction from the CiC or CM or whomever is in charge.  

Fast forward to week two.  We are assigned Ki61s and N1Ks to defend a CV group.  Our departure base had a strat on the radar ring.  We decided to up, give it what for, and proceed to target.  We went on to defend a CV group, that for some reason didn't have a CV, against all attackers except one lonely TBM.  We shot down 21 enemy aircraft.  We did as ordered, we completed the mission.  We stayed on target til we had just enough fuel to land.  We re-armed, re-upped and headed back to the assigned sector w/ the idea of defending any straggling attack on our CV.  As we headed out a F4U was reported and we proceeded to the sector in which he was reported.  We believe it was one of the recon F4Us.  Unfortunately, we couldn't find him.  Once again our leadership asked for and received no response regarding secondary targets.  Myself and the four other N1K's proceeded to the troop strat, did our thing and RTB'd.  

That's the story fellas.  We completed both of our missions successfully, as assigned.  Somewhere along the line the communication broke down between our squad and the FSO organizers.  We made a mistake both weeks in attacking those strats.  We've been sanctioned and warned regarding that decision.  We've apologized.  I apologize.

We are not a "rogue" squad that is told to fly to point A then decides that we're gonna fly to point B.  We successfully completed our missions.  Once again, I apologize to those that had to clean up our mess.

<S> to all.  

We'll see you in the skies, hopefully w/ me on your six.  :aok

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« Last Edit: February 15, 2010, 06:03:27 PM by GearJrk »
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2010, 06:21:36 PM »
I'm posting this for a couple of reasons.  1) I can't let my boy Wilha take all the heat.  He's a big boy and can handle it, but I'm gonna try and take some for him.  2) There is some innuendo that is being posted regarding the Claim Jumpers as a "rogue" squad.  I want to put that to bed by telling you guys what exactly occurred over the past two weeks.

In the first frame of this FSO we were assigned A6Ms and Ki67s to attack a CV group.  We flew to target were intercepted as can be expected and sunk the CV while taking down 11 enemy aircraft.  As we flew back to base our leadership inquired about secondary targets.  This is normal for us.  There hasn't been an FSO that I've been apart of w/ the CJs that we haven't asked for a secondary target.  Either we are assigned one or they say they don't have anything for us and we RTB.  We did not receive a response.  Our bombers, feeling frisky after sinking the CV, saw the strat as a target of opportunity.  They re-armed, re-upped and blasted it into oblivion.

In the following days we received some heat on these boards regarding that decision.  However, we did not receive any sanction from the CiC or CM or whomever is in charge.  

Fast forward to week two.  We are assigned Ki61s and N1Ks to defend a CV group.  Our departure base had a strat on the radar ring.  We decided to up, give it what for, and proceed to target.  We went on to defend a CV group, that for some reason didn't have a CV, against all attackers except one lonely TBM.  We shot down 21 enemy aircraft.  We did as ordered, we completed the mission.  We stayed on target til we had just enough fuel to land.  We re-armed, re-upped and headed back to the assigned sector w/ the idea of defending any straggling attack on our CV.  As we headed out a F4U was reported and we proceeded to the sector in which he was reported.  We believe it was one of the recon F4Us.  Unfortunately, we couldn't find him.  Once again our leadership asked for and received no response regarding secondary targets.  Myself and the four other N1K's proceeded to the troop strat, did our thing and RTB'd.  

That's the story fellas.  We completed both of our missions successfully, as assigned.  Somewhere along the line the communication broke down between our squad and the FSO organizers.  We made a mistake both weeks in attacking those strats.  We've been sanctioned and warned regarding that decision.  We've apologized.  I apologize.

We are not a "rogue" squad that is told to fly to point A then decides that we're gonna fly to point B.  We successfully completed our missions.  Once again, I apologize to those that had to clean up our mess.

<S> to all.  

We'll see you in the skies, hopefully w/ me on your six.  :aok

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I do not think anybody is calling you guys a "rouge' squad.  It is every time Wilha open his mouth he keeps digging him self into a deeper hole. 
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2010, 09:33:44 PM »
Quote:   Oakranger
I do not think anybody is calling you guys a "rouge' squad.  It is every time Wilha open his mouth he keeps digging him self into a deeper hole


Prime example of someone not able to end a discussion about Claim Jumpers. It is an endless battle with the few in here that HORDE the forums.

Gearjrk  explained it as it all happened, and instead of discussing any of it all you do is direct towards me, {allready apologized}, and flame again.

Nothing said about the starts last week when we did it, we do it this week and you say we have a lack of respect for the Co's and CiC's.  Such BS. Where do you get this info from?  Read Gears post again and let us know where we were disrespectful, we were warned about it this week , this week,  and we've apologized for it, and all you do is keep flaming and creating BS, that was the whole intention of this post and you know it.

Why else did you create this thread?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2010, 09:52:49 PM by denniswilha »

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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2010, 09:45:17 PM »
Quote:   Oakranger
I do not think anybody is calling you guys a "rouge' squad.  It is every time Wilha open his mouth he keeps digging him self into a deeper hole


Prime example of someone not able to end a discussion about Claim Jumpers. It is an endless battle with the few in here that HORDE the forums.

Hey. every time you come up with a pathetic excused about hitting the radar factory, i shot you down.  It seems that you are the only one that keep making the Clam Jumpers look bad.  However, GearJrk stop by, hold your hand and better explained what happen.   
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2010, 09:55:34 PM »
I have posted a link to this thread in our forum, and they all support it to the letter. People like you make this forum smell of S@&t, the only reason you posted this thread was to flame, not solve anything.

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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2010, 10:36:26 PM »
Excellent post Drano, GearJrk.

I just want to comment on one item.
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In the following days we received some heat on these boards regarding that decision.  However, we did not receive any sanction from the CiC or CM or whomever is in charge.
Which is totally my fault. I actually thought 'I had' contacted you guys about Frame 1, but had not.   :eek: Oops. When it happened again in Frame 2 I said to myself, “This has to stop”. I emailed your squad and it was taken care of quite to my satisfaction.  :salute

In any case it is all water under the bridge.

Oak and denniswilha you both need to stop posting please.
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2010, 09:47:58 AM »
Wow, I've never seen the Claim Jumpers so fired up for a FSO!  I have pity on the 2 or 3 squads that plan to join up and go head to head with the boys.  All I can say is...bring friends, this is going to be fun! 

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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2010, 09:55:15 AM »
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2010, 12:14:35 PM »
i was that lonely TBM, there was actual 2 TBM's we was about 3 k apart, i got jumped by 9 planes , he got jumped by 7 planes, that's 16 V 2, neither one of us even got a shot off or drop our bombs, CV wasn't there and the rest of our wing got waxed earlier in the flight, Its part of the FSO wither you live or die It doesn't really matter its the recreating (or best they can) of something that happened long before we were ever born, sure alot of the times we get the less desirable plane set and it may not be what we want BUT we fly FSO as a squad, for Fun and Comradely with other squads we don't get to work with in the MA
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2010, 01:30:48 PM »
Wow, I've never seen the Claim Jumpers so fired up for a FSO!  I have pity on the 2 or 3 squads that plan to join up and go head to head with the boys.  All I can say is...bring friends, this is going to be fun! 

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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2010, 02:26:52 PM »
Yes, practice flights are under way!  We'll be ready

As for 68Zoom  <S>  I wondered who it was that got past 3 layers of scouts and started our investigation of friendly fire deaths!  I had them setup to break the attackers up then regroup right where they picked you up.  I heard one say you were hard to hit...mainly from being obstructed by a squadies plane!  lol

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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2010, 03:54:03 PM »
Hard wasn't the word i dont know if i was that TBM , i had like 9 comming in on me no time to even engage it was over that fast, when fire from Niki's completely cuts the back 1/3 of the plane off, yea Prudy much over after that.  i was expecting you guys to play with your food for a bit first lol
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2010, 11:28:21 PM »
For many that fly FSO, it's all about the mission planning, coordination and performing your duty to support the overall plan of the CiC; not about getting your name in lights. When a squad decides to go off on its own, MA-style, no matter their excuse, it is a selfish thing and that squad's participation in FSO should be carefully reconsidered.

Agreed i for one am worried about MA mentality lurking into fso's,whether its fighter's peeling of buffs they should stick with to get all the kills they can,or squads just doing what they want and not fallowing orders.
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2010, 01:02:11 AM »
Agreed i for one am worried about MA mentality lurking into fso's,whether its fighter's peeling of buffs they should stick with to get all the kills they can,or squads just doing what they want and not fallowing orders.

You will find squads that do one or another.
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Re: Radar Factor #1
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2010, 01:14:31 AM »
You will find squads that do one or another.
Many many squads do both,i could name some besides the 327Th but I'm to sleepy tonight. :D
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