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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Traveler on February 20, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
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USAAF Manual AAF 51-127-1 available online shows the gear extension speed at 175MPH. The Airspeed for Gear extension in AH is 150 MPH, this model is incorrect. I'd like to see the airspeeds for Gear extension set closer to the historical values.
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i think all aircraft in the game except the jets have a 150mph gear extension speed.
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F4U gear comes out at what... 350?
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I can appreciate the interest of modeling every little subsystem, within the confines of the game here I can understand reasons for a slightly more generic model in place.
Consider this, if you first assume (always dangerous I know) that the primary focus of AH is the accurate modeling of WW2 era air combat, and that the game is geared more towards this than a true flight simulation, and one of the primary draws of that design is the opportunity to pit various aircraft against each other. Then some concessions, to aircraft operation begin to make sense, modeling each individual gear speed limit would make it more difficult for players to switch between aircraft and ultimately wouldn't add anything other than forcing players to learn specific data tables in order to tell them when to push a button on the keyboard. It would seem to detract from the ability of a player (particularly a newer player) from enjoying the game without really adding anything substantial in the process.
Of course these are just random thoughts that seem to make sense in my tiny little mind, I could be way off base. :)
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The F4U is an exception because the gear was the dive brake.
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I can appreciate the interest of modeling every little subsystem, within the confines of the game here I can understand reasons for a slightly more generic model in place.
Consider this, if you first assume (always dangerous I know) that the primary focus of AH is the accurate modeling of WW2 era air combat, and that the game is geared more towards this than a true flight simulation, and one of the primary draws of that design is the opportunity to pit various aircraft against each other. Then some concessions, to aircraft operation begin to make sense, modeling each individual gear speed limit would make it more difficult for players to switch between aircraft and ultimately wouldn't add anything other than forcing players to learn specific data tables in order to tell them when to push a button on the keyboard. It would seem to detract from the ability of a player (particularly a newer player) from enjoying the game without really adding anything substantial in the process.
Of course these are just random thoughts that seem to make sense in my tiny little mind, I could be way off base. :)
If the aircraft in the game are not modeled accurately then how is it an accurate simulation of air combat. If in a dog fight in a P38 and you can’t set maneuvering flaps at 50% or use gear at 175MPH to slow the aircraft to force an overshoot , how is that an accurate simulation of Air Combat?
If the aircraft are not modeled correctly how can you consider it an accurate modeling of WWII aircraft?
Here is what Hitech Creations says and I’m quoting from their web page
Aces High Game Features
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
• Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
• Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
• Multiple arenas with unique environments offer different styles of gameplay.
• Constant updates and additions keep the game fresh.
• Create historical skins for your plane.
• Start or join a squadron for even more fun.
• Participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II.
• Learn from films you can record and view using the Aces High Film Viewer.
• Design and build your own terrain with the Aces High Terrain Editor.
• In game voice support.
• The most flexible view system in the genre. Tailor it to your liking.
• Full, true 3D cockpits.
• Customize your commands on the keyboard and the joystick.
• In-game secure account management.
• Auto-update in the game for all updates.
• Auto-update for all new skins released for the game.
• Free offline practice and missions.
• Free 2 week online trial (no billing information needed).
The number one bullet item states an “Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.”
That’s just not true. If the P38L has flaps that can’t be set to ½ flaps and you can’t lower he gear at 175MPH, that’s just not accurate.
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LOL seems like you are picking nits now. slow to 175 and hit the gear lever. turn base at 150. Turn final at 150 reducing to 130. Over the fence at 110 full flaps.
Tell ya what. Go fly some landings off line by the book. Be slowing to 175 on downwind towards 150 on base and hit your dear button. Bottom line is the gear is out and you are slowing to land at 150.
Next thing you know you'll be asking for random engine failures and freezing cockpits in the name of realisim.
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LOL seems like you are picking nits now. slow to 175 and hit the gear lever. turn base at 150. Turn final at 150 reducing to 130. Over the fence at 110 full flaps.
Tell ya what. Go fly some landings off line by the book. Be slowing to 175 on downwind towards 150 on base and hit your dear button. Bottom line is the gear is out and you are slowing to land at 150.
Next thing you know you'll be asking for random engine failures and freezing cockpits in the name of realisim.
We could use the "guy with a baseball bat" when killed for people who want excess realism. :aok
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If the aircraft in the game are not modeled accurately then how is it an accurate simulation of air combat. If in a dog fight in a P38 and you can’t set maneuvering flaps at 50% or use gear at 175MPH to slow the aircraft to force an overshoot , how is that an accurate simulation of Air Combat?
If the aircraft are not modeled correctly how can you consider it an accurate modeling of WWII aircraft?
Here is what Hitech Creations says and I’m quoting from their web page
Aces High Game Features
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
• Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
• Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
• Multiple arenas with unique environments offer different styles of gameplay.
• Constant updates and additions keep the game fresh.
• Create historical skins for your plane.
• Start or join a squadron for even more fun.
• Participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II.
• Learn from films you can record and view using the Aces High Film Viewer.
• Design and build your own terrain with the Aces High Terrain Editor.
• In game voice support.
• The most flexible view system in the genre. Tailor it to your liking.
• Full, true 3D cockpits.
• Customize your commands on the keyboard and the joystick.
• In-game secure account management.
• Auto-update in the game for all updates.
• Auto-update for all new skins released for the game.
• Free offline practice and missions.
• Free 2 week online trial (no billing information needed).
The number one bullet item states an “Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.”
That’s just not true. If the P38L has flaps that can’t be set to ½ flaps and you can’t lower he gear at 175MPH, that’s just not accurate.
We're not talking flaps, we're talking landing gear speeds. What's more dumping landing gear in a 38 in a fight is not going to accomplish anything, if you're trying to force an over shoot there are better ways to do it. If not having the ability to drop landing gear in a 25mph window of the flight envelope cost someone the fight then that person has a lot more to think about why he/she lost the fight.
I still say that setting a more or less constant speed for landing gear deployment across the plane set adds more to the game in terms of accessibility without detracting one bit from the modeling of air combat.
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Actually I stand corrected, my argument does in fact have some holes in it.
The largest one being that you CAN actually deploy the P-38's landing gear at 175mph. I just tested it in the TA on all three models. In fact it appears you can deploy them above that speed but over 200mph and they come off. :)
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Since when can't you deploy your gear at 175?
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Gears drop down at below 200MPH, I have no idea what the OP is talking about. Also if you're using your gear to cause overshoots, in anything other than a F4U, you really need to learn some ACM.
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25 may have been the difference between indicated and true at lower alts
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F4U gear comes out at what... 350?
id say 450
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25 may have been the difference between indicated and true at lower alts
All the reference speeds in pilot flight manuals of WWII were about indicated air speed.
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LOL seems like you are picking nits now. slow to 175 and hit the gear lever. turn base at 150. Turn final at 150 reducing to 130. Over the fence at 110 full flaps.
Tell ya what. Go fly some landings off line by the book. Be slowing to 175 on downwind towards 150 on base and hit your dear button. Bottom line is the gear is out and you are slowing to land at 150.
Next thing you know you'll be asking for random engine failures and freezing cockpits in the name of realisim.
No, I'm asking for what AH advertisied Accurate aircraft modeling
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N/M...
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Since when can't you deploy your gear at 175?
You can't extend the gear without causing stress on the gear. You should be able to extend the gear and not hear the stress noise.
The gear was designed to be extended at 175 MPH and not cause stress on the gear.
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You can't extend the gear without causing stress on the gear. You should be able to extend the gear and not hear the stress noise.
The gear was designed to be extended at 175 MPH and not cause stress on the gear.
Again I just ran a simple test online in the TA, took off in a P-38J, leveled flight speed at 175mph and extended the gear. I flew like that for 10 minutes without damaging the gear, I could have turned around and landed the plane.
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Again I just ran a simple test online in the TA, took off in a P-38J, leveled flight speed at 175mph and extended the gear. I flew like that for 10 minutes without damaging the gear, I could have turned around and landed the plane.
So you flew around for 10 minutes listing to the sounds of stress because you extended your gear 175 instead of the 150. My point is that you should not hear the sounds of stress on the aircraft. That the gear was designed to be extended at 175mph. That the model is not accurate. My wish is that the model aircraft used in the air combat sim be accurate. I'm not asking for something that is not accurate and inline with what Hitech creations says it offers.
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So you're really arguing about a sound? The game model allows you to deploy, and fly around at the speeds listed in the manual, the gear are not damaged by being deployed at 175mph.
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The "stress" sound is there to replace the buffet you do not feel due to the fact that you are sitting in a chair in your house. Like the stall sound.
Point is rather moot anyhow as you obviously want to lower your gear at higher speed as a speed brake and not what it was historically used for, landing.
wrongway
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The "stress" sound is there to replace the buffet you do not feel due to the fact that you are sitting in a chair in your house. Like the stall sound.
Point is rather moot anyhow as you obviously want to lower your gear at higher speed as a speed brake and not what it was historically used for, landing.
wrongway
Thank you for your contribution. You have added a new dimension which may resolve my question. Your saying that the noise heard when the gear is lowered at 175MPH is not related to stress. Why isn’t that noise heard when the gear is lowered at 150MPH.
You assumption that I want to lower my gear at a higher speed to use it as a speed break is wrong. I am not asking to be able to extend the gear at speeds above 175MPH. I want to lower the Gear at 175MPH as prescribed in the USAAF Pilot Manual for the P38 as the recommended speed at which to lower the gear.
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If the aircraft in the game are not modeled accurately then how is it an accurate simulation of air combat. If in a dog fight in a P38 and you can’t set maneuvering flaps at 50% or use gear at 175MPH to slow the aircraft to force an overshoot , how is that an accurate simulation of Air Combat?
If the aircraft are not modeled correctly how can you consider it an accurate modeling of WWII aircraft?
Here is what Hitech Creations says and I’m quoting from their web page
Aces High Game Features
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
• Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
• Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
• Multiple arenas with unique environments offer different styles of gameplay.
• Constant updates and additions keep the game fresh.
• Create historical skins for your plane.
• Start or join a squadron for even more fun.
• Participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II.
• Learn from films you can record and view using the Aces High Film Viewer.
• Design and build your own terrain with the Aces High Terrain Editor.
• In game voice support.
• The most flexible view system in the genre. Tailor it to your liking.
• Full, true 3D cockpits.
• Customize your commands on the keyboard and the joystick.
• In-game secure account management.
• Auto-update in the game for all updates.
• Auto-update for all new skins released for the game.
• Free offline practice and missions.
• Free 2 week online trial (no billing information needed).
The number one bullet item states an “Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.”
That’s just not true. If the P38L has flaps that can’t be set to ½ flaps and you can’t lower he gear at 175MPH, that’s just not accurate.
Wow.
You've been playing this game since 2004??
What tripped your trigger??
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So you're really arguing about a sound? The game model allows you to deploy, and fly around at the speeds listed in the manual, the gear are not damaged by being deployed at 175mph.
If you look at the mappings for that sound it's "STRESS" and stress was always defined to me as something bad for the aircraft. My point has always been that you should be able to extend the gear and not cause stress to the aircarft. If you extend the gear above 150, you receive that stress sound.
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Wow.
You've been playing this game since 2004??
What tripped your trigger??
Do you have something constructive to add to the discussion or do you just limit yourself to personal attacks?
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HTC advertises an accurate flight model. You drop "flight" and complain that the A/C model isn't exactly like a real A/C. You seem to be on a mission to find anything at all that you can complain about. Cite a reference to a p-38 pilot dropping his gear in a dogfight.
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Do you have something constructive to add to the discussion or do you just limit yourself to personal attacks?
You still didn't answer the question?
Apparently you started playing this "game" in 2004.
Are you telling me you JUST started noticing these minute idiosyncrasies?
You now have at least 3 recent posts asking for "historical accuracy".
What made you wait alllllllllll these many years to bring up these trivial matters?
Do I have anything constructive to add to this "discussion"??
Absolutely not! You're doing great all by yourself.
I couldn't do any better if I tried. :salute
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If the aircraft in the game are not modeled accurately then how is it an accurate simulation of air combat. If in a dog fight in a P38 and you can’t set maneuvering flaps at 50% or use gear at 175MPH to slow the aircraft to force an overshoot , how is that an accurate simulation of Air Combat?
If the aircraft are not modeled correctly how can you consider it an accurate modeling of WWII aircraft?
Here is what Hitech Creations says and I’m quoting from their web page
Aces High Game Features
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
• Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
• Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
• Multiple arenas with unique environments offer different styles of gameplay.
• Constant updates and additions keep the game fresh.
• Create historical skins for your plane.
• Start or join a squadron for even more fun.
• Participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II.
• Learn from films you can record and view using the Aces High Film Viewer.
• Design and build your own terrain with the Aces High Terrain Editor.
• In game voice support.
• The most flexible view system in the genre. Tailor it to your liking.
• Full, true 3D cockpits.
• Customize your commands on the keyboard and the joystick.
• In-game secure account management.
• Auto-update in the game for all updates.
• Auto-update for all new skins released for the game.
• Free offline practice and missions.
• Free 2 week online trial (no billing information needed).
The number one bullet item states an “Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.”
That’s just not true. If the P38L has flaps that can’t be set to ½ flaps and you can’t lower he gear at 175MPH, that’s just not accurate.
So you flew around for 10 minutes listing to the sounds of stress because you extended your gear 175 instead of the 150. My point is that you should not hear the sounds of stress on the aircraft. That the gear was designed to be extended at 175mph. That the model is not accurate. My wish is that the model aircraft used in the air combat sim be accurate. I'm not asking for something that is not accurate and inline with what Hitech creations says it offers.
Just wondering here are you concerned about flight modeling or flight sounds because it sounds like the FM is fine. In AH there is no stress created when that sound is present so no problem now right.
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All the reference speeds in pilot flight manuals of WWII were about indicated air speed.
It bears noting that IAS in a flight manual and IAS in the game may be different, because the AH IAS is always calibrated. Whereas if you needed CAS in the real plane, you would need to refer to the airspeed and altimeter correction table.
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Nevermind,
I.F.
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See Rule #4
:headscratch:
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Thank you for your contribution. You have added a new dimension which may resolve my question. Your saying that the noise heard when the gear is lowered at 175MPH is not related to stress. Why isn’t that noise heard when the gear is lowered at 150MPH.
You assumption that I want to lower my gear at a higher speed to use it as a speed break is wrong. I am not asking to be able to extend the gear at speeds above 175MPH.
See above. FLS beat me. :rock
What I'm trying to say about some "sounds" in game, such as "Stress", is they are attempting to replace the sensation you would feel flying with the gear down at 175mph or greater. Buffet(?), what you would feel at high speed or approaching a stall. "Seat of the Pants" type sensations.
Yes, it is "Stress" as well as the gear will come off at 201mph as you've stated but there are a few sounds that are there as more than just sounds.
(Does gear breaking above 200mph conform to historical accuracy?)
You need to figure compromises have to be made in translating flight from real life to a computer. How about "as accurate as they can get it"?
wrongway
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See Rule #4
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You wished for something that was already in AH...
If HiTech finds merit in information players provide about current models, they fix it.
IE: AKAK was trying to find information that the P38L should have been heavier, instead Pyro found that the P38G was missing 500lb in AH that shold have been there.
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Wow................ We have nothing better to talk about?
(friggin SAPPER's)
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IE: AKAK was trying to find information that the P38L should have been heavier, instead Pyro found that the P38G was missing 500lb in AH that shold have been there.
No, Murdr was searching for solid weight data showing the difference between our L and J and found a discrepancy in the G weight, which Pyro identified and fixed.
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No, Murdr was searching for solid weight data showing the difference between our L and J and found a discrepancy in the G weight, which Pyro identified and fixed.
yes and im still pissed at you for adding weight to my bird :furious :neener:
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I couldn't remember if it was you or akak.... so I had a 50% shot in the dark
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Two fine men that always have a valid point to make......................... . They may as well be mirror images! :salute
I couldn't remember if it was you or akak.... so I had a 50% shot in the dark
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See Rule #4
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If what you say is true that the stress sound at 175 is used to convey buffet ..then that buffet should also be there at 150 and below. It’s not. I think it’s purpose is clearly to convey aircraft damage.
The only thing is that I don't think it does damage the gear at 175mph has I tried to explain earlier, I flew with the gear down at that speed for 10 whole minutes and suffered no apparent damage at all. As near as I can find there is nothing in the flight model that prevents or prohibits anyone landing a P-38 from extending the gear at 175mph in the process of landing.
Now ponder this, if you were to program a sound that would warn a player that he/she is getting a little fast to have the gear down. And say that the speed at which critical failure were to occur is set at 200mph (as it seems to be), would it make sense to have that audible cue start at 200mph? Or at say... 150, or 160mph and give the player a nice margin for error or heads up to look at the speedometer in the event that he forgot to raise his gear on take off?
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See Rule #4
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Traveler, I have one question.
How many WW2 planes have you flown?
I myself have flown all the "L" birds, C-47s, DC-3s,Beech 18s, T-6s, A Yak-3 allison powered, A few P-51s, a Sonya replica"that would be a Jap bird" , along with a Zero and a Kate replica, I have flown a BT-13, 17 and a 19. I have also flown an SE-5a Replica, along with a Fokker DR.VII. I have more tailwheel time than I have milkstool time,"Tricyclegear" Means the wheel is in the front. I have flown everything from pietenpol aircampers to Smith-Swarengensen Aerostars. I have also flown a Ryan PT-22, the Cadet Killer, and have walked away from it, I have flown more WW2 planes than most have seen. I realize that you are a CFI, and have some amount of hours teaching, YOU of all people should realize that this is a game. The guys have done a great job of modeling the planes. Have you even ever shot an NDB approach, I know it is all GPS now. Get out of the books, My dad had 6 Piper Tomahawks, and not a one flew the same, we also had a Swift, and a Cessna 195 with a Continental W670, And a few 172'S along with a Superhawk. I have flown Barons and Cessna 421's to AT-13s. I have time in a Pv-2 Opps Howard. I am sorry Skuzzy Rule 14 if you must, I want to know where this guy gets off. The AH crew has done a great job on the flight Modeling for all the planes. If you dont like the AH modeling go to IL-2 or go to FSX.
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See Rule #4
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The only thing is that I don't think it does damage the gear at 175mph has I tried to explain earlier, I flew with the gear down at that speed for 10 whole minutes and suffered no apparent damage at all.
Ahh, sorry. I could have saved you the time. My memory of 10 years of HT posts is uncanny.
2. Each system is looked at as to how it effects enjoyment vs how it effects realism.
Take the the other example of landing gear. It also has a hard limit just like the flap does, we make big noises before it is damaged. But gear is realy not used much in combat, hence it is more of just a reminder to raise your gear to keep them from being damaged. But at the same time we do not allow you to lowerer them past there set speed. All choice are made on nuiscance realism VS game play.
Other choices made in the landing gear modling. In reality the gear would most likly just be bent back. And stuck in that position until a machanic had a ferm talking with the pilot. What we choose to do , is remove them. The resone is that if you forget to raise them on take off. You can still continue the fight and make a belly landing with out gear. And no harm was done to your enjoyment that flight. But the only consideration about landing gear as far as realism goes is that people should not exceed there limits.
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I do understand what you are saying, however, and from what I've learned just about everything in the game is based on tables, not pure caculations. The Stress sound is heard until your airspeed exceeds 200. then you hear the sound of gear failing ( being pulled off the plane). So no stress is applied to the aircraft. It's just a sound.
Maybe it sould be a combination of a buffet sound that changes over to a stress sound as you get closer to the point of failure. I always associated the sound of stress on the aircraft with something bad.
The flight model is not table based and each aircraft is modeled, it's not a generic model. I think that's why it's so much fun to fly. I don't know about the damage model but it's going to be revamped so we'll see some changes there in future versions.
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[quote author=TravelerIf what you say is true that the stress sound at 175 is used to convey buffet ..then that buffet should also be there at 150 and below. It’s not. I think it’s purpose is clearly to convey aircraft damage.
My gut tells me that Locheed engineered the gear to be better then that. [/quote]
Neither is correct, it is to "warn" you that you are about to incur damage.
Because we don't have real world feedback a good simulation finds ways to help make up the difference.
It is not the same sound as a gear breaking. Or a wingtip breaking. That "groan" is the sound of metal under stress, there to warn us we are about to screw the pooch.
Ohhh and now we are supposed to listen to your gut?
Try opening a car door doing 200 +mph on the interstate.
You know for someone who "says" they've been around as long as you have.
You sure come across as someone just chock full of sour grapes.
Like your trying to find reasons not to be here.
We don't care dude!
You want something changed, provide the proof from acceptable sources, submit it to HTC.
Then wait 6 months like the rest of us.
Its not a perfect world, but AH is better than anything else out there.
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Not being professional writers we don't all have the control over the tone of our posts that we might wish to have. Let's all just relax a little. There's no reason to get jumped on for posting a wish. :old:
Edit: Unless you're asking for a B-29. :D
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And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.
The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.
I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.
HiTech
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And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.
The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.
I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.
And quite frankly the simple fact that at what speed a stress sound should happen in a p38 is complained about. (And why did the OP not state the sound is incorrect instead of the gear speed is incorrect I believe shows a little bias) shows how few problems with modeling in AH there really are.
HiTech
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And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.
The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.
I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.
HiTech
Its not a problem. I thought that when you heard the stress sound that the aircraft was taking damage due to stress. I was unaware that the sound of stress is only used as a warning prior to an actual failure. Perhaps that was based on my real world experience that stress on an aircraft was not a good thing and repeated stress could kill you. I know now that the stress sound is only used as a warning, no damage is accured. The 175 MPH is based on the POH for the P38 available in the AH Wiki.
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And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.
The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.
I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.
And quite frankly the simple fact that at what speed a stress sound should happen in a p38 is complained about. (And why did the OP not state the sound is incorrect instead of the gear speed is incorrect I believe shows a little bias) shows how few problems with modeling in AH there really are.
HiTech
Again, I actually believed that when you heard the stress sound, that actual damage was being accrued by the aircraft. That once enough stress related damage was accrued that a failure would take place. Now that I know that the sound of stress is only a warning and has not actual effect on the integrity of the aircraft it becomes a mute point.
My original post was because I would hear the stress sound any time I extended the gear above 150MPH indicated. Believing that damage was taking place. I had not idea that the sound was incorrect. My reasoning was based on the POH available in AH for the P38 which states the gear extension speed is 175 MPH. My thinking was why would I receive stress damage if I am operating the gear within limits? That’s why I made my original request.
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Now we know!!! And knowing is half the battle!!!
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Good thing you said it twice!!! :lol
Again, I actually believed that when you heard the stress sound, that actual damage was being accrued by the aircraft.
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When you hear the stress sound and then rip off the 2 thousand pound of gear is the less weight modeled ? :devil
and then is the drag that cuases modled correctly? :t
I mean it should be.. who needs landing gear. :noid
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See Rules #2, #4
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When you hear the stress sound and then rip off the 2 thousand pound of gear is the less weight modeled ? :devil
and then is the drag that cuases modled correctly? :t
I mean it should be.. who needs landing gear. :noid
Not sure, you could test it using the E6B. set gross weight, take off, leave gear down until you hear it fail, check gross weight for a major weight change.
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See Rules #2, #4
I don't think that's fair Traveler. You've recently made several posts stating that this and that is wrong and implying that HTC shouldn't be advertising an accurate flight model. I think the main thing you should take from HiTech's response is the fact that he responded to your gear post by stopping work on developement of the next update to check the gear issue you mentioned. How many developers would do that? While many people seem to forget that this is the wishlist and not the general forum, and it's not the Hitech has to do whatever is posted unless somebody else complains forum, you can be sure that Hitech considers every idea that's presented here. Assume, as I said before, that while some game play considerations are necessary, nobody cares more about accuracy in Aces High than Hitech.
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See Rule #2
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See Rule #2
I went from AW to AH. Our Squad looked at WB and back when AH1 went to AH2 we decided it was not for us. I have no idea what WB is like from a players point of view. But now back on track, If you look at my original post I was asking a question about the gear limit, based on the POH. I had no idea that the stress sound that you hear at 175MPH was not directly related to stress damage on the aircraft. That it only sounded as a warning. It would be nice if from the gear extention limit of 175 MPH down you received a buffet sound rather then the Stress sound and the stress sound only being heard above 175 - 200 with the gear failing as it does now above 200.
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You assumption that I want to lower my gear at a higher speed to use it as a speed break is wrong. I am not asking to be able to extend the gear at speeds above 175MPH. I want to lower the Gear at 175MPH as prescribed in the USAAF Pilot Manual for the P38 as the recommended speed at which to lower the gear.
You can lower your gear in a P-38 at 175mph IAS. The stressing sounds you hear is just an audible clue that you're getting in the upper speed ranges for the landing gear. The reason for this audio clue is a concession for the platform we play on since we don't get any 'tactile' feel. It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with how the gears are deployed or modeled in game. You're just grasping at straws now.
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You can lower your gear in a P-38 at 175mph IAS. The stressing sounds you hear is just an audible clue that you're getting in the upper speed ranges for the landing gear. The reason for this audio clue is a concession for the platform we play on since we don't get any 'tactile' feel. It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with how the gears are deployed or modeled in game. You're just grasping at straws now.
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I understand now that the Sound associated with stress on the airframe was only a warning. It was my misunderstanding that when I heard that sound the aircraft was actually accumulating stress and at some point that accumulated stress would cause a failure. I understand now that the stress sound is only a warning as far as gear is concerned.
What I should have asked for is an alternate sound or a change to a combination of sounds so that 150 to 175 is more like a slow speed buffet and 175 and above is just the stress sound.