P38 Gear Extension Speed

[Murdr]

The only thing is that I don't think it does damage the gear at 175mph has I tried to explain earlier, I flew with the gear down at that speed for 10 whole minutes and suffered no apparent damage at all.

Ahh, sorry.  I could have saved you the time.  My memory of 10 years of HT posts is uncanny.

2. Each system is looked at as to how it effects enjoyment vs how it effects realism.

Take the the other example of landing gear. It also has a hard limit just like the flap does, we make big noises before it is damaged. But gear is realy not used much in combat, hence it is more of just a reminder to raise your gear to keep them from being damaged. But at the same time we do not allow you to lowerer them past there set speed. All choice are made on nuiscance realism VS game play.

Other choices made in the landing gear modling. In reality the gear would most likly just be bent back. And stuck in that position until a machanic had a ferm talking with the pilot. What we choose to do , is remove them. The resone is that if you forget to raise them on take off. You can still continue the fight and make a belly landing with out gear. And no harm was done to your enjoyment that flight. But the only consideration about landing gear as far as realism goes is that people should not exceed there limits.

[FLS]

I do understand what you are saying, however, and from what I've learned just about everything in the game is based on tables, not pure caculations.   The Stress sound is heard until your airspeed exceeds 200. then you hear the sound of gear failing ( being pulled off the plane).  So no stress is applied to the aircraft. It's just a sound.
Maybe it sould be a combination of a buffet sound that changes over to a stress sound as you get closer to the point of failure.  I always associated the sound of stress on the aircraft with something bad.

The flight model is not table based and each aircraft is modeled, it's not a generic model. I think that's why it's so much fun to fly. I don't know about the damage model but it's going to be revamped so we'll see some changes there in future versions.

[Ghosth]

[quote author=TravelerIf what you say is true that the stress sound at 175 is used to convey buffet ..then that buffet should also be there at 150 and below.  It’s not.  I think it’s purpose is clearly to convey aircraft damage.

  My gut tells me that Locheed engineered the gear to be better then that. [/quote]

Neither is correct, it is to "warn" you that you are about to incur damage.
Because we don't have real world feedback a good simulation finds ways to help make up the difference.

It is not the same sound as a gear breaking. Or a wingtip breaking. That "groan" is the sound of metal under stress, there to warn us we are about to screw the pooch.

Ohhh and now we are supposed to listen to your gut?

Try opening a car door doing 200 +mph  on the interstate.
You know for someone who "says" they've been around as long as you have.
You sure come across as someone just chock full of sour grapes.
Like your trying to find reasons not to be here.

We don't care dude!

You want something changed, provide the proof from acceptable sources, submit it to HTC.
Then wait 6 months like the rest of us.

Its not a perfect world, but AH is better than anything else out there.

[FLS]

Not being professional writers we don't all have the control over the tone of our posts that we might wish to have. Let's all just relax a little.  There's no reason to get jumped on for posting a wish.

Edit: Unless you're asking for a B-29.    

[hitech]

And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.

The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.

I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.

HiTech

[hitech]

And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.

The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.

I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.

And quite frankly the simple fact that at what speed a stress sound should happen in a p38 is complained about. (And why did the OP not state the sound is incorrect instead of the gear speed is incorrect I believe shows a little bias) shows how few problems with modeling in AH there really are.

HiTech

[Traveler]

And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.

The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.

I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.

HiTech

Its not a problem.  I thought that when you heard the stress sound that the aircraft was taking damage due to stress.  I was unaware that the sound of stress is only used as a warning prior to an actual failure.  Perhaps that was based on my real world experience that stress on an aircraft was not a good thing and repeated stress could kill you.  I know now that the stress sound is only used as a warning, no damage is accured.  The 175 MPH is based on the POH for the P38 available in the AH Wiki.

[Traveler]

And to think as our goal is always accuracy, when I read the first post I went and tested the 38 to see what the speeds are. Only to find out the speeds are 200 mph. Then reading further I found out what the complaint was.

The stress sound is there to remind you to raise your gear before they break. Nothing more nothing less. To argue that you would not hear that stress sound or that it is at the wrong speed ignores so many aspects of changing from real world to a flying on a computer is simply throwing stones.

I can not even contemplate why this would be a problem for anyone.

And quite frankly the simple fact that at what speed a stress sound should happen in a p38 is complained about. (And why did the OP not state the sound is incorrect instead of the gear speed is incorrect I believe shows a little bias) shows how few problems with modeling in AH there really are.

HiTech

Again, I actually believed that when you heard the stress sound, that actual damage was being accrued by the aircraft.  That once enough stress related damage was accrued that a failure would take place.  Now that I know that the sound of stress is only a warning and has not actual effect on the integrity of the aircraft it becomes a mute point.

My original post was because I would hear the stress sound any time I extended the gear above 150MPH indicated.  Believing that damage was taking place.  I had not idea that the sound was incorrect. My reasoning was based on the POH available in AH for the P38 which states the gear extension speed is 175 MPH.  My thinking was why would I receive stress damage if I am operating the gear within limits?  That’s why I made my original request.

[LLogann]

Now we know!!!  And knowing is half the battle!!! 

[LLogann]

Good thing you said it twice!!!   

Again, I actually believed that when you heard the stress sound, that actual damage was being accrued by the aircraft. 

[Megalodon]

When you hear the stress sound and then rip off the 2 thousand pound of gear is the less weight modeled ?  

 and then is the drag that cuases modled correctly?  

 I mean it should be.. who needs landing gear. 

[Traveler]

See Rules #2, #4

[Traveler]

When you hear the stress sound and then rip off the 2 thousand pound of gear is the less weight modeled ?  

 and then is the drag that cuases modled correctly?  

 I mean it should be.. who needs landing gear. 

Not sure, you could test it using the E6B.  set gross weight, take off, leave gear down until you hear it fail, check gross weight for a major weight change.

[FLS]

See Rules #2, #4

I don't think that's fair Traveler. You've recently made several posts stating that this and that is wrong and implying that HTC shouldn't be advertising an accurate flight model. I think the main thing you should take from HiTech's response is the fact that he responded to your gear post by stopping work on developement of the next update to check the gear issue you mentioned. How many developers would do that? While many people seem to forget that this is the wishlist and not the general forum, and it's not the Hitech has to do whatever is posted unless somebody else complains forum, you can be sure that Hitech considers every idea that's presented here. Assume, as I said before, that while some game play considerations are necessary, nobody cares more about accuracy in Aces High than Hitech.

[gyrene81]

See Rule #2