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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Halo on February 21, 2010, 11:42:19 AM
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For about a decade I've toyed with the idea of playing Aces High on a big screen TV, but never get around to it. So before starting my latest what-if, I'm wondering how many of you play Aces High on a big screen (e.g., 42 inches or higher) TV, and briefly how did you hook up your setup?
I'm looking for the absolute easiest and most inexpensive way to do it using only one joystick and one keyboard. I use Comcast cable which has been doing fine for me.
At present I play Aces High with desktop computer hooked up to 22-inch wide monitor. Works well. I'm just wondering if you think it is worth the extra effort and expense to go for 42-inch and above TV monitor. Hmmm, guess this means I'd have to buy another computer and find some place for it in the TV den. Hmmm. :headscratch:
On the other hand, got a Vista laptop I don't use much which I could hook up to the TV. Could it be that simple? Would Aces High let me do that on my present single subscription (most programs allow multiple computers as long as only one is used at one time)?
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24" monitor.
Have a 32" LCD HDTV right next to it that I could hook up if needed but I dont think I want that big of a screen.
I recall when AW went to "full screen" (as opposed to the small forward view and surrounding gauges) that I disliked the increase in real estate that had to be scanned for trouble.
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23" Monitor here.
If you're thinking about a 42" screen, give yourself at least 9ft of distance from the TV. You will not only get the best picture, it won't be as hard on the eyes.
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24" HD monitor HDMI hookup 1920x1080 res, ingame it looks great crystal clear, My 46" LED you can also use as a monitor has the 240 processor in it, but to lazy to drag the puter downstairs to hook it up and try it, someday i will :old:
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15 inch laptop :) old school I got a 65" big screen in the living room it would be sweet, also I heard it's harder to hit the planes on a bigger screen more skys for the bullets to miss in lol. Might ask some of the guys that play on bigger screen's if it hurts their gunnery.
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19"
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19" monitor and projector :)
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17" 4:3 :uhoh
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23" Monitor here.
If you're thinking about a 42" screen, give yourself at least 9ft of distance from the TV. You will not only get the best picture, it won't be as hard on the eyes.
Good advice right there, the optimal screen size will be a function of viewing distance.
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I played on a 52" high definition big screen for a little bit, it was interesting. It made the colors a little less richer, actually made them more realistic in my opinion. Around ten feet was the best distance, it was pretty easy on the eyes. I used the S-Video output on a laptop (pre-terrain update) and it worked nicely graphics wise. As it sits right now I play on a 1680 by 1050 22" widescreen, it lets me play quite well. The biggest problem with a big TV screen is logistics, cost, where to put, how to setup gear and etc. Once installed I don't think you would anything but nice things to say. I didnt see any difference in gunnery, basic ACM or visual cues like finding dots. If anything it makes spotting cons easier as the larger screen had larger dots at longer viewing ranges. Two to three feet is actually a piss poor distance for spotting small details I think.
At one time I had AH installed on three computers and used the same account on each depending on the situation. Even though I only have one account it never gave me an issue, I doubt its changed.
Strip
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I'm using a 23 inch HD. If i want a bigger monitor, i just move mine closer to my face. :) Right now, i have just enough room to use my joystick without it smacking the screen. :joystick: :salute
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17" 4:3 :uhoh
same
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20" HD
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24" LCD monitor
I have a 42" 1080P TV that i figured would be AWSOME.. it was novel for a while but I prefer the monitor.
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23" 1920x1080
and my head is about 2 feet from it lol
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22" Screen. On a rare occasion I'll hook up to the 37" TV.
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OK sense me and my son have no wife ack and well he thinks its a kick arse idea to hook it up, so ill arrange the lazyboy and move the PC down :x going to try it out for squad night tonight, i know my PC will handle it without a doubt, off i go :bolt:
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got a HP 26" 1920x1200 (16:10)
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I use a 42" lcd running at (1920x1080) connected using DVI. Most newer tv's do not have a DVI connection but you can get a HDMI to DVI cable. Make sure that what ever you use is compatible with being used as a computer monitor. Some tv's are not.
The larger screen really helps these old eyes see what's going on. I don't think I could ever go back to a smaller monitor.
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Running HD on a 108 inch diagonal screen. :rock
I just got the Panasonic AE4000. I built my own 5x9 screen for it and used blackout drapery. It also has a non-military use with the blu ray player I just installed.
Infidelz.
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Moved up after this years con to a 23" Samsung flatscreen, and I'm very very happy with it. (196$ at sam's club)
I do think if you go with a 42" I'd go plasma for the faster responce times.
We also got a 42" plasma at christmas time for the living room. And while I love my 23" monitor, that 42" plasma is awesome.
This is a squad mates setup with a 42" plasma.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/th_DSCN1949.jpg)
I don't know that you'd need 8 - 10 feet, I think for a 42" you could get by pretty nicely with 3 - 5 feet viewing distance.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/th_DSCN1950.jpg)
....Bonus was much more than I expected and I found this well within my budget. Should I have been smarter and responsible? Probably but I've had my ribs kicked in for the past two years and decided to get something for
myself that I wanted for a change. Samsung 42" HD Plasma. I dusted off my gear and played a little offline last night and it's beautiful.....
Short answer, if $$$ is tight, treat yourself to a good new 23-24" flat screen.
If $$$$ are in good supply, look around for a good 42" plasma, even if you have to redo your computer room to make it work.
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16" on my laptop
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17" 4:3 :uhoh
thats what I have.
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47 inch LCD tv and I still can't shoot a blimp.
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I hooked a projector up to my system for a few days,cleared everything away from 1 wall.It was roughly 3ft,5ft.maybe.Was pretty fun especially while in a tank.I heard it would eat thru bulbs since I play so much,so went back to my 22in. monitor. Bulbs are like 175 bucks
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30" MAC
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do i need to change anything in thre computer to hook up to my 40" tv? i have dvi outputs on the video card........will the fr be ok?
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do i need to change anything in thre computer to hook up to my 40" tv? i have dvi outputs on the video card........will the fr be ok?
All you'd need is an in put on the TV to use, either VGA or DVI. You can also get DVI to HDMI adapters pretty cheap. The easiest thing to do would be to see what the native resolution of the TV is and see if the video card can support that resolution and set it to that.
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23" HD Monitor. 1920x1080
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I measure the EtchoSketch screen and it comes in at a whooping 10". But FRs are fanstatic! :x
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I measure the EtchoSketch screen and it comes in at a whooping 10". But FRs are fanstatic! :x
That's the good part about having a small monitor. :)
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24" HD
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i have 42" LCD HDTV 1080p with PC Input also has HDMI spot on it also. i have been flyin on it for a year now and i will never go back to a smaller screen! i love it!
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/144/l_866338c82d6a4007bc44b287e7aa6207.jpg)
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I had problems with a lag going from my computer to the 32" screen so I just use my laptop which is 17'' i think..
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im on 24" 1920x1080p asus monitor, big jump up from my old 17" CRT emachines one :D
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26" Samsung 1920 X 1200 and love it
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For a long time I had a 15" CRT then one day someone gave me a 19" CRT and i loved the upgrade in size. One day the 19" died so i went back to the 15".
Then last year i was very lucky and got a little spare money out of the blue and splurged some on a samsung 37" HDTV 1080p. I think its awesome, i would not want to go back now. I use it for PC and xbox games between 3-5' away. Picture quality in AH2 is amazing at 1920x1080. But i have to agree with TnDep, there is more sky to miss in, gunnery takes time to relearn lead after using a small screen.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/pigpen.jpg)
PS: the grid on that picture is a result of a cheap webcam, the TV itself is crystal clear.
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42" Plasma and loving it.
Fred
(http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/bmwgs_ah/Screen.jpg)
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24" Acer Monitor + 19" TFT as secondary monitor. Desktop is stretched over those 2 Monitors.
Wish AH2 had dual-screen support so that I could have the map and Radio positioned on my 2nd monitor...
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Wish AH2 had dual-screen support so that I could have the map and Radio positioned on my 2nd monitor...
+10000
I have 2 Acer 18" wide and really wish I could put the clipboard on the second screen
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I had problems with a lag going from my computer to the 32" screen so I just use my laptop which is 17'' i think..
this is what's kept me frm moving my computer closer to my tv to try it.
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For about a decade I've toyed with the idea of playing Aces High on a big screen TV, but never get around to it. So before starting my latest what-if, I'm wondering how many of you play Aces High on a big screen (e.g., 42 inches or higher) TV, and briefly how did you hook up your setup?
I'm looking for the absolute easiest and most inexpensive way to do it using only one joystick and one keyboard. I use Comcast cable which has been doing fine for me.
At present I play Aces High with desktop computer hooked up to 22-inch wide monitor. Works well. I'm just wondering if you think it is worth the extra effort and expense to go for 42-inch and above TV monitor. Hmmm, guess this means I'd have to buy another computer and find some place for it in the TV den. Hmmm. :headscratch:
On the other hand, got a Vista laptop I don't use much which I could hook up to the TV. Could it be that simple? Would Aces High let me do that on my present single subscription (most programs allow multiple computers as long as only one is used at one time)?
I use a 22" Samsung LCD. I never really thought of connecting to my TVs - I've got a couple of larger LCDs, one of which you'd call a bigscreen. One question regarding using it immediately comes to mind - w/r the viewing distance, I don't know if my TrackIR sensor would like me sitting 10' away... Anybody got any experience with that? I guess it'd be cool to route the sound through my surround system, too, but the wife'd probably get pissed, both at the sounds of enemy AC exploding and my own ac getting riddled with shells and bullets.
I'm sort of in that "give and take" stage of mediocrity.
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Two things:
1.) You guys that are using 32, 36, 42"+ screens - do any of you use TrackIR as well? If so, for those who "back up" a bit from the screen, does that pose a problem with TIR?
2.) Haj, I've got a nice 19" LCD widescreen monitor sitting around collecting dust. Works perfectly, great picture. Your welcome to it for the cost of shipping. :)
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i have 42" LCD HDTV 1080p with PC Input also has HDMI spot on it also. i have been flyin on it for a year now and i will never go back to a smaller screen! i love it!
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/144/l_866338c82d6a4007bc44b287e7aa6207.jpg)
"Nice doggy" :)
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For the longest time I was using a 15'' monitor that was like 8 years old. Just two days ago, I got a 21.5'' widescreen monitor with 1920x1080 resolution. For me, its like Im really flying in an airplane! :airplane: It has made a huge difference in gameplay for me. I can now see around my aircraft without cons slipping out of my viewing range. :banana:
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3840X1024 (3-19") with a TH2GO
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv272/hotwire_2009/DSC_6047.jpg)
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Thank you all for the inputs and perspective. Definitely not one size fits all. Plenty of advice on line via Google search for hooking up computers to big screen TVs, so it looks doable.
I've had 42-inch gaming experience with Playstation 3 and enjoyed it. A lot of the immersion seems to come simply by being at the optimum distance from the monitor no matter what size.
Aces High Mission Big Screen is on my To-Try list. :airplane:
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Thank you all for the inputs and perspective. Definitely not one size fits all. Plenty of advice on line via Google search for hooking up computers to big screen TVs, so it looks doable.
I've had 42-inch gaming experience with Playstation 3 and enjoyed it. A lot of the immersion seems to come simply by being at the optimum distance from the monitor no matter what size.
Aces High Mission Big Screen is on my To-Try list. :airplane:
Just try allow a minimum of 9ft viewing distance.
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Size is irrelevant when your screen is all around you :D
(http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/images/product_hmd_emagin_z800_5.jpg)
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I remember when I went from a 17" 1024x768 to a 20" screen 1680x1050,what a difference. I'm thinking about ordering a 24" 1920x1200 soon.
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I have a 19 inch monitor.
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Using a Mitsubishi 57" LCD DLP HiDef projection TV. It's on a stand at the end of my desk. Sits about 4 feet in front of me. DVI hookup and at max res game looks great! I was using a 60" before, Panasonic, but the bulb went out after a few weeks (it was a display model) and they took it back, no questions. (Sam's Club) That's when I went with the Mitsu 57".
I've got my eyes on the Mitsu 73" LCD projection TV next. Just waiting for the price to drop some.
Rob
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My brother played AH2 on a projector, jesus it was so sweet.
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Size is irrelevant when your screen is all around you :D
(http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/images/product_hmd_emagin_z800_5.jpg)
linky?
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www.3dvisor.com or I'd suggest www.vuzix.com
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LCD Projector. The image is around 8 feet or 9 feet across, running at 1024x768 (the projector's native resolution) with 8X anti-aliasing to smooth out the jaggies. If you attended the convention last year, then you saw more-or-less how I typically fly, though at home the image is a little bigger, a little higher up, and a little farther away.
When combined with the TrackIR for views and a surround-sound headphone set, the immersion factor is very high. Your eyes get to focus farther out and the image sort of gets to wash all around you.
Needless to say you sort of need to rearrange your computer room, and I built an open cockpit to make things easier, but the result is incredibly comfortable and easy to look at for hours on end.
Lamp life is between 2000 and 3000 hours, and I only play 15 hours a week or so. My last projector failed after 10 years of use and the lamp still had 25% of its life left. The only real problem is that native resolution is pretty low on projectors, so you need AA to smooth things out, but a modern PC can generate hundreds of frames per second in AH at 1024.
I wouldn't fly any other way.
-Llama
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LCD Projector. The image is around 8 feet or 9 feet across, running at 1024x768 (the projector's native resolution) with 8X anti-aliasing to smooth out the jaggies. If you attended the convention last year, then you saw more-or-less how I typically fly, though at home the image is a little bigger, a little higher up, and a little farther away.
When combined with the TrackIR for views and a surround-sound headphone set, the immersion factor is very high. Your eyes get to focus farther out and the image sort of gets to wash all around you.
Needless to say you sort of need to rearrange your computer room, and I built an open cockpit to make things easier, but the result is incredibly comfortable and easy to look at for hours on end.
Lamp life is between 2000 and 3000 hours, and I only play 15 hours a week or so. My last projector failed after 10 years of use and the lamp still had 25% of its life left. The only real problem is that native resolution is pretty low on projectors, so you need AA to smooth things out, but a modern PC can generate hundreds of frames per second in AH at 1024.
I wouldn't fly any other way.
-Llama
Woo! Glad there is another projector junkie!
Though my projector is only around 6 feet since there was limited space in the office.
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I have a 19 inch monitor.
Hercules or CGA? :D
headtracking on the z800 in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQ9HFiRY_0
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http://www.projectorcentral.com/panasonic_ae4000_projector_review.htm (http://www.projectorcentral.com/panasonic_ae4000_projector_review.htm)
1080P is magic
• Gaming Mode. Video delay is not a good thing for gaming, and audio delay does not fix the problem. So the AE3000 and AE4000 both have a feature which is not called Gaming Mode, but could be. It is called Frame Response, and it lets you adjust the speed of frame delivery from the buffer. Your options are "Normal" and "Fast." "Normal" will provide normal video processing and results in a frame delay of about 3 frames (assuming Frame Creation is off). "Fast" will eliminate some of the standard video processing overhead and cuts frame delay to about 1.5 frames. There is no way for a video picture to appear instantaneously with zero delay on any digital video display, so the Fast frame delivery feature on the AE3000/4000 is about as good as it gets.
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www.3dvisor.com or I'd suggest www.vuzix.com
$400? guess that's gonna be my next buy. :devil
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i have a hannsG 28 in pc monitor.great picture
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"Nice doggy" :)
why thank u! that would be my stuka puppy :)
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If you can't put the TrackIR the correct distance in front of you just mount it behind you.
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22" Philips 202P7
Had it just over four years. Prob'ly the last CRT I'll ever buy.
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Hercules or CGA? :D
headtracking on the z800 in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQ9HFiRY_0
It is all I have room for. Not sure what I am going to do when the monitor dies.
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www.3dvisor.com or I'd suggest www.vuzix.com
you show a pic of one, but rec the other?
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http://www.projectorcentral.com/panasonic_ae4000_projector_review.htm (http://www.projectorcentral.com/panasonic_ae4000_projector_review.htm)
1080P is magic
• Gaming Mode. Video delay is not a good thing for gaming, and audio delay does not fix the problem. So the AE3000 and AE4000 both have a feature which is not called Gaming Mode, but could be. It is called Frame Response, and it lets you adjust the speed of frame delivery from the buffer. Your options are "Normal" and "Fast." "Normal" will provide normal video processing and results in a frame delay of about 3 frames (assuming Frame Creation is off). "Fast" will eliminate some of the standard video processing overhead and cuts frame delay to about 1.5 frames. There is no way for a video picture to appear instantaneously with zero delay on any digital video display, so the Fast frame delivery feature on the AE3000/4000 is about as good as it gets.
This just isn't a problem with computers and computer projectors. Remember, most projectors are hooking up with VGA cables. VGA is an analog connection. No delay. Even 14 years ago.
-Llama
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This just isn't a problem with computers and computer projectors. Remember, most projectors are hooking up with VGA cables. VGA is an analog connection. No delay. Even 14 years ago.
-Llama
O'RLY?
Actually it is a problem and a consideration according to some much smarter than me on this topic.
Recall, most serious gamers stopped using VGA several years ago when DVI-X came out. The AE4000 does not offer a DVI-X connector, however it has three HDMI connections. I use one with an adapter from my DVI-X cable to my NVDIA GTX275 (which only has DVI-X Connectors). The computer had no problem recognizing the Home Theater projector and I was quite surprised with how easy was to configure.
Running through all the processing (frame creation, smoothing and such) that is available when watching blu ray movies would cause additional lag in AH, which would prove fatal. The projector has the gaming mode which according to all I have read greatly minimizes lag.
Infidelz
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I use 3 24" samsung SyncMaster 2443 BWX's, and a TripleHead2Go. resolution is 5040X1050. When I work on one of my kids PC's their screens are 22" monitors I think they are so small. Once you get used to using a larger screen I think you really notice a change.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm188/denniswilha/ahss8.jpg)
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you show a pic of one, but rec the other?
I got my Z800 when the price was down to about US$600. The Z800 is definitely superior to the VR-920 (better FoV, OLED panels) but the cost jumps significantly. The VR920 does have better software though (and better 3D Drivers).
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I got my Z800 when the price was down to about US$600. The Z800 is definitely superior to the VR-920 (better FoV, OLED panels) but the cost jumps significantly. The VR920 does have better software though (and better 3D Drivers).
AAAHH.....
i didn't mean the question sarcastically, although i typed it that way. a customer walked in just as i was typing.
the review said something about the 3d software not working yet though.....either way, they look to be better than a 22" lcd. :aok
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O'RLY?
Actually it is a problem and a consideration according to some much smarter than me on this topic.
Recall, most serious gamers stopped using VGA several years ago when DVI-X came out. The AE4000 does not offer a DVI-X connector, however it has three HDMI connections. I use one with an adapter from my DVI-X cable to my NVDIA GTX275 (which only has DVI-X Connectors). The computer had no problem recognizing the Home Theater projector and I was quite surprised with how easy was to configure.
Running through all the processing (frame creation, smoothing and such) that is available when watching blu ray movies would cause additional lag in AH, which would prove fatal. The projector has the gaming mode which according to all I have read greatly minimizes lag.
Infidelz
Well, I'm only a professional hardware and software reviewer for several computer magazines for 16 years, creator the software CDs that have shipped with every Epson projector since 1999, the writer of 3 Epson projector user guides and service manuals in 2009 alone, and I've been playing video games with projectors since the Warbirds convention in 1997.
So perhaps you might accept me as an authority on the subject when I say that, at least where it comes to projectors intended primarily to be hooked up to computers (and therefore have either a VGA or even a DVI port), THERE IS NO APPRECIABLE LAG WHEN PLAYING GAMES. It's just like using an LCD computer monitor.
And even Epson's most expensive Home Theater 1080p projector ($3500) still has a VGA port. They aren't going away anytime soon.
I don't mean to be indignant, but I'm pretty sure about this.
-Llama
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Well, I'm only a professional hardware and software reviewer for several computer magazines for 16 years, creator the software CDs that have shipped with every Epson projector since 1999, the writer of 3 Epson projector user guides and service manuals in 2009 alone, and I've been playing video games with projectors since the Warbirds convention in 1997.
So perhaps you might accept me as an authority on the subject when I say that, at least where it comes to projectors intended primarily to be hooked up to computers (and therefore have either a VGA or even a DVI port), THERE IS NO APPRECIABLE LAG WHEN PLAYING GAMES. It's just like using an LCD computer monitor.
And even Epson's most expensive Home Theater 1080p projector ($3500) still has a VGA port. They aren't going away anytime soon.
I don't mean to be indignant, but I'm pretty sure about this.
-Llama
so......
whatcha tryin to say? :aok :noid :neener:
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AAAHH.....
i didn't mean the question sarcastically, although i typed it that way. a customer walked in just as i was typing.
the review said something about the 3d software not working yet though.....either way, they look to be better than a 22" lcd. :aok
I wouldn't say better, I'd say different.
With VR you sacrifice resolution, but you gain tremendous immersion. Especially if you get stereo 3d going.
When you get into a rolling knife fight at close range the head tracking and stereo 3d makes it totally exhilarating.
Throw on games like FSX in stereo 3D and you just go wow at the difference. Plus the headtracking lets you look around and use your mouse to flick cockpit switches... no need for a simpit :D
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Well, I'm only a professional hardware and software reviewer for several computer magazines for 16 years, creator the software CDs that have shipped with every Epson projector since 1999, the writer of 3 Epson projector user guides and service manuals in 2009 alone, and I've been playing video games with projectors since the Warbirds convention in 1997.
So perhaps you might accept me as an authority on the subject when I say that, at least where it comes to projectors intended primarily to be hooked up to computers (and therefore have either a VGA or even a DVI port), THERE IS NO APPRECIABLE LAG WHEN PLAYING GAMES. It's just like using an LCD computer monitor.
And even Epson's most expensive Home Theater 1080p projector ($3500) still has a VGA port. They aren't going away anytime soon.
I don't mean to be indignant, but I'm pretty sure about this.
-Llama
I am but a humble computer user, a gamer if you will. I have dealt with experts many times. Most are good at what they do. I believe that you are a great writer and technologist though at 16 years you are still a young pup.
In any case, I checked the back of my computer and there is No VGA connector on my video card just a pair of DVI connectors (XFX GTX 275 from NVIDIA). Maybe I bought the wrong card? Going to Newegg I did find a few (not a lot) cards that still offer a VGA connector on the high-end cards.
So the fact is that now a days (that is a funny term eh?) video cards are mostly being offered with DVI and the newer HDMI connectors.
I am using a projector based upon LCD technology. This is digital technology. My video card and computer are also both based on digital technology (we had analog computers in our science lab back in college, but they were eclipsed by the Intel 8088 and Motorola 6800 based digital computers). If I was to get a video card that was equipped with a VGA connector it would have to convert the digital information to Analog, because that is what VGA is. Then the projector would convert it back to digital information for the tiny LCD panels inside the projector. As I recall VGA works quite well with CRT monitors they are analog. The AE4000 PANASONIC projector also has a VGA connector on it. But it also has 3 HDMI connectors on it. I am watching in 1080P. This is pushing the upper limits of what VGA is capable of (1600X1200) though I am sure someone is working on improving on that.
WRT lag, I think at best you can say YMMV. I think it “depends” on what projector and what computer hardware you have as to whether you will see a performance degradation using VGA as compared to DVI/HDMI. If you can bypass all of the internal processing that goes on in a home theatre projector you will get better performance in terms of lag.
What about quality? Many users have reported an improvement after switching to DVI on their LCD panels and arguably some have not. However, and this is a big however (but I still didn’t capitalize it) at what cost in quality and for how much difference. The AE4000 offers options/settings to eliminate much of the extra processing involved in watching home theatre, which would greatly increase lag.
I move my mouse and the pointer moves. I don’t perceive a difference. That is to say I have ‘NO APPRECIABLE LAG WHEN PLAYING GAMES’. This has been the case of others who purchased the AE3000/4000 series of PANASONIC projectors. So my mileage with my setup is what I designed it for. I am pleased since I don’t have a problem with LAG.
Where is the VGA technology going? Can you say 8 track tape or VHS? Maybe, stranger things have happened.
Infidelz
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Well, I'm only a professional hardware and software reviewer for several computer magazines for 16 years, creator the software CDs that have shipped with every Epson projector since 1999, the writer of 3 Epson projector user guides and service manuals in 2009 alone, and I've been playing video games with projectors since the Warbirds convention in 1997.
So perhaps you might accept me as an authority on the subject when I say that, at least where it comes to projectors intended primarily to be hooked up to computers (and therefore have either a VGA or even a DVI port), THERE IS NO APPRECIABLE LAG WHEN PLAYING GAMES. It's just like using an LCD computer monitor.
But you do recognize that input lag is a big problem also in many LCD monitors?
"Input lag is a phenomenon associated with some types of LCD displays, and nearly all types of HDTVs, that refers to latency, or lag measured by the difference between the time a signal is input into a display and the time it is shown by the display. This lag time has been measured as high as 68ms[1], or the equivalent of 3-4 frames on a 60 Hz display."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag
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In any case, I checked the back of my computer and there is No VGA connector on my video card just a pair of DVI connectors (XFX GTX 275 from NVIDIA). Maybe I bought the wrong card? Going to Newegg I did find a few (not a lot) cards that still offer a VGA connector on the high-end cards.
So the fact is that now a days (that is a funny term eh?) video cards are mostly being offered with DVI and the newer HDMI connectors.
Never heard of a DVI to VGA adapter huh? Many cards ship with them. Or you can buy them separately. Just because there are no VGA connectors on the back doesn't mean they don't support VGA.
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I play on a 22, but I have a new 42 240 hz in the basement I might drag up to try with track IR
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I run on an outmoded ViewSonic 21PS 21" CRT monitor that has been going strong for right at 10 yrs now (I got it used off Ebay).
But when it does crater I'm definitely gonna get me a 24"-30" LCD monitor for future use (largest I can get on my computer desk without blocking access to other compartments).
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I am but a humble computer user, a gamer if you will. I have dealt with experts many times. Most are good at what they do. I believe that you are a great writer and technologist though at 16 years you are still a young pup.
In any case, I checked the back of my computer and there is No VGA connector on my video card just a pair of DVI connectors (XFX GTX 275 from NVIDIA). Maybe I bought the wrong card? Going to Newegg I did find a few (not a lot) cards that still offer a VGA connector on the high-end cards.
So the fact is that now a days (that is a funny term eh?) video cards are mostly being offered with DVI and the newer HDMI connectors.
I am using a projector based upon LCD technology. This is digital technology. My video card and computer are also both based on digital technology (we had analog computers in our science lab back in college, but they were eclipsed by the Intel 8088 and Motorola 6800 based digital computers). If I was to get a video card that was equipped with a VGA connector it would have to convert the digital information to Analog, because that is what VGA is. Then the projector would convert it back to digital information for the tiny LCD panels inside the projector. As I recall VGA works quite well with CRT monitors they are analog. The AE4000 PANASONIC projector also has a VGA connector on it. But it also has 3 HDMI connectors on it. I am watching in 1080P. This is pushing the upper limits of what VGA is capable of (1600X1200) though I am sure someone is working on improving on that.
WRT lag, I think at best you can say YMMV. I think it “depends” on what projector and what computer hardware you have as to whether you will see a performance degradation using VGA as compared to DVI/HDMI. If you can bypass all of the internal processing that goes on in a home theatre projector you will get better performance in terms of lag.
What about quality? Many users have reported an improvement after switching to DVI on their LCD panels and arguably some have not. However, and this is a big however (but I still didn’t capitalize it) at what cost in quality and for how much difference. The AE4000 offers options/settings to eliminate much of the extra processing involved in watching home theatre, which would greatly increase lag.
I move my mouse and the pointer moves. I don’t perceive a difference. That is to say I have ‘NO APPRECIABLE LAG WHEN PLAYING GAMES’. This has been the case of others who purchased the AE3000/4000 series of PANASONIC projectors. So my mileage with my setup is what I designed it for. I am pleased since I don’t have a problem with LAG.
Where is the VGA technology going? Can you say 8 track tape or VHS? Maybe, stranger things have happened.
Infidelz
Some clarifications.
The DVI connectors on the back of your video card have pins reserved in them for VGA. That is the DVI spec, BTW. Your video card probably (almost certainly) came with a DVI-to-VGA adapter (and maybe two - XFX isn't stingy when it comes to in-box goodies - you pick up stuff like this with a mere 16 years experience in the industry), and all they do is route the VGA signal pins from the DIV connector to the standard 15-pin VGA arrangement.
So having established that you really do have VGA output, are we done? I'm guessing not. ;-)
LCD projectors use the same digital to analog decoding as in LCD monitors, so of course there are milliseconds lost for each frame when going analog to digital, plus the response time of the display has a lag too (also in milliseconds). Would anyone notice the extra time of the analog to digital conversion during gaming? I'd be shocked. Grab a good LCD monitor with VGA and DVI connectors and play a game twice: once using each input. Is there a difference in speed? Again, I would be shocked if anyone could notice the difference, because I can't, and I just spent a few minutes double checking.
And we aren't talking about picture quality here - DVI should be able to deliver a better quality picture since there's no digital/analog conversion going on. But then again, you're talking about some "speedy" projector mode, which would have to work be reducing image quality in some way. Otherwise, why wouldn't "speedy" be the default mode?
Oh, and the VGA connector has no maximum resolution limit. Max resolution is dictated by the video ram available, the video card circuitry, and of course, what the connected display device can accept. I have a 22" CRT monitor from the good ol' days here that supports 2048x1536, and it only has a VGA connector on it.
Anyway, it sounds like you are fact getting a lag-less setup with a projector without doing anything special. I maintain that for PC gaming, no one really has to do anything special.
-Llama
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I am going to suggest a dozen wings and a couple bottles of Yinling. :cheers:
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Two things:
1.) You guys that are using 32, 36, 42"+ screens - do any of you use TrackIR as well? If so, for those who "back up" a bit from the screen, does that pose a problem with TIR?
2.) Haj, I've got a nice 19" LCD widescreen monitor sitting around collecting dust. Works perfectly, great picture. Your welcome to it for the cost of shipping. :)
(http://www3.telus.net/pongo/42%20inch.jpg)
Worked fantastic. I was probably 3.5 feet from it, tracked great, and my 285 card drove the resolution no problem.
Betty looks great on that big screen, which is a plus.
(its way bigger then it looks in this picture, the window is 5 feet across.)
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I'm starting to wonder if only the big screen boys are posting here, or if I'm really one of only a handful of players still using an "archaic" 19" non-widescreen display ... :uhoh
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Lusche, Hardware is one of the few places where money can actually increase your odds in this game.
The very first thing I noticed when I upgraded was that I could now see nose from tail, wing direction, could tell which way a plane was going at least 3k farther than I could before. It was very quickly apparent if that 5k dot was coming my way or not.
Also a big monitor can make a huge difference in shooting.
Think about how many pixels make up a plane at 350 yards on a 17-19 inch monitor.
Now go to a 23-24, with almost double the total viewable area. In effect your shooting at targets 3 - 4 times as big.
What you see on your end, is what you shoot at and what you hit.
Now its your choice, want to shoot at a golfball at 50 yards? A softball? A basketball? or a Beach Ball?
Which one you think is easier to hit?
Also this is where screen resolution comes into play. On the same monitor, which is going to give you a bigger target, 800x600 or 1600x1200?
Granted, the lower resolutions are not as nice to look at.
But they give you a bigger target to shoot at.
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I'm starting to wonder if only the big screen boys are posting here, or if I'm really one of only a handful of players still using an "archaic" 19" non-widescreen display ... :uhoh
The only reason I have a 23", is my 19" non-widescreen LCD went.
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Oh, and the VGA connector has no maximum resolution limit. Max resolution is dictated by the video ram available, the video card circuitry, and of course, what the connected display device can accept. I have a 22" CRT monitor from the good ol' days here that supports 2048x1536, and it only has a VGA connector on it.
Max resolution in an analog connection is heavily dictated by cable length and quality i.e. damping and noise. That becomes quickly a limiting factor to maximum available resolution.
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Tried a 46" lcd here:
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/samsung.jpg)
settled on 3 24":
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/3mons1.jpg)
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/3mons2.jpg)
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I use a 30" IPS screen (HP ZR30w) at 2560x1600, all eye candy turned on. It's great, and one reason I'm one of those wishlisting for improved terrain graphics. This is just my work box, but perhaps soon I'll upgrade to 3 ZR30w. And yes, I use TIR, it works just fine.
Paul
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5760 x 1080 on triple 24 inch LED monitors, and I'm able to have the chat and map up, while in flight. Comes in handy when you are trying to like up while in bomb sight.
Will post pics when I get home.
LawnDart
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Used 26 inch Samsung for years but have have had a 40 inch led Samsung now at 4 feet away,,, I love it!!!
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Stellaries why do you keep resurrecting old threads you looking to get in trouble?
Midway
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If you have a reeeely large screen, such that you have sit far away from it, doesn't that mess with your TrackIR. What's teh recommended max distance between the relectors on your cap, and the IR sensors on your monitor?