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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: captain1ma on February 25, 2010, 07:23:28 AM
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I'm curious if theres any interest in a Week long tank battle with objectives. it would only have 1 or 2 planes in it for killing GV's. Please let me know what you think.
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I'd be interrested on the plane side of it
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Week Long?
I'm not sure if I can take a whole week off from work......
How will we sleep?
Do we get to reup if we die on day 1?
All kidding aside, what do you have in mind? GIve us a little bit of your plan and I'd bet you would have a whole horde of gv's interested! :salute
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like T-34s (76mm & 85mm) + M3s with B25Hs + La5s vs. PzIVs/Tigers + SkdZf251s with Ju87s + 190A5s to start with; add planes when one side meets objectives and denies the opposition theirs?
COOL :banana:
Some additional thoughts: Firefly could be earned be Axis ti represent the Panther if they do well enough; both sides could earn the M8 (BT5/7 & various Axis armored cars): Toss in a Brewster for some props. the the Finns/Axis Minors.: SBD for the VVS as a DB-3. I'll stop now. :joystick:
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like T-34s (76mm & 85mm) + M3s with B25Hs + La5s vs. PzIVs/Tigers + SkdZf251s with Ju87s + 190A5s to start with; add planes when one side meets objectives and denies the opposition theirs?
COOL :banana:
pretty close actually! all the M-series, t34, firefly VS panzers/tigers, skd, ostwind, wirblewind
for planes i was thinking p38 and 110 for GV suppression.
objectives would be base capture on a points system. bonus would be maybe an extra plane or just bragging rights, not sure which yet. unlimited lives, not a FSO or SEA type of thing
killing non-targets would take points away from the side that captures it
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Yes, provided that there are no fighters, that the GV killers are the B-25H and IL-2, and that all the anti-aircraft vehicles are enabled. You may also want to limit the number of bases that the planes can fly from, just to prevent everyone from running straight to them.
EDIT: I honestly don't see the logic in using the P-38 and Bf-110 for GV killers. To kill GVs, both those planes are realistically going to have to be dive bombing, effectively giving the GVs no chance to survive. In addition, people will doubtlessly just begin dogfighting with them, and thus defeat the whole purpose of the GV-oriented setup, IMO.
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Yes, provided that there are no fighters, that the GV killers are the B-25H and IL-2, and that all the anti-aircraft vehicles are enabled. You may also want to limit the number of bases that the planes can fly from, just to prevent everyone from running straight to them.
thats a very good suggestion. but you also need a way to protect bases under attack also. hangers would be hardened to make it more difficult to take them down. 10 tigers shooting at a hanger can take it down in no time flat, therefore we'd have to harden them some.
edit: we dont want to take away the air battle aspect of the war totally, just limit it. i dont have a problem with dogfights, and if theres enough people playing it could get pretty intense.
edit: we could trade them for smaller planes that can only carry smaller bombs instead of the 1000lb'ers.
the Fw190-a5 comes to mind. or even the brewster and the I16 with limited bombing capabilities
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Well personally I quite like the idea of a purely B-25 furball ;)
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Well personally I quite like the idea of a purely B-25 furball ;)
sorry B25 was never mentioned nor would it be considered, this is strictly a GV battle with limited air cover idea.
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adding the IL2 would need to be on the order of an award for exceptional performance by the VVS side; has the ability to shift the equality too much. Kinda the same for the 38 subbing as a Pe2 IMHO. Scaling-up the air war slowly keeps the focus more on the GV aspect I think.
Well, if the B25H is out, then the P-38G as a sub for the Pe2 could be appropriate.
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are there any GV groups out there?? doesnt shegotya know a bunch of GV'ers, maybe they would be interested too?
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great idea. I'm in for the plane side of it as I have a hard time zooming in to see other gvs at long distances. Everytime I zoom in and change gun elevation I lose sight of the enemy gv.
110's, stukas, 25's and make sure you leave cannons and bombs on. I can see these GV fighter planes having a low altitude battle themselves.
That will be cool to see tons of gvs battling it out from the air.
Make sure there is no death limit that you can always join the fight or reup.
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please dont use the uber iL2 those would just wreck any kind of fun on the ground
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please dont use the uber iL2 those would just wreck any kind of fun on the ground
had no intentions of using IL-2 either except for maybe as a bonus plane.
great idea. I'm in for the plane side of it as I have a hard time zooming in to see other gvs at long distances. Everytime I zoom in and change gun elevation I lose sight of the enemy gv.
110's, stukas, 25's and make sure you leave cannons and bombs on. I can see these GV fighter planes having a low altitude battle themselves.
That will be cool to see tons of gvs battling it out from the air.
Make sure there is no death limit that you can always join the fight or reup.
actually those planes would not be used. nothing with cannons, except maybe as a bonus plane. no bombers either. only fighters that can carry a single bomb VS planes with multiple bombs.
the idea is to encourage GV's and not so much bombers, but not discourage aerial dogfights at the same time.
by using single bomb fighters, you can have the best of both worlds as far as im concerned! this is not the final word on this so keep the idea's coming, we're willing to try anything.
how many people would be game for this setup?? chime in please!
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will the planes at least have a forward facing machine gun?
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the FW series, BF-series, Spit series, brewster, I16, P-series, ETC are all planes under consideration. they all have forward facing guns. i might even throw in the A20 without bombing capabilities as a bonus fighter :)
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how many people would be game for this setup?? chime in please!
I'm all for it!
that said, I am now going to step on your toes and proffer this:
Major Nightly Victory (achieve your side's goals & deny the enemy theirs): Firefly (as sub: Panther for Axis, KV-85 for Allied) or 110G/P-38G (as sub for Pe-2 for Allied) or Ju-88s/B-25c (singles) or enable certain aircraft at a specific forward Vbase, any other real prime item.
Minor Nightly Victory (achieve your side's goals): Add an aircraft, 109g2, Hurri1 for Romanians, Brewster for Finns, D3a/Ki-67 for Italians (sub for Br.20/Sm.79), Hurri2D/I-16(rockets rule!) for VVS, SBD for VVS (as sub for Su & Db series aircraft); or pretty much any other "fun" aircraft that won't drastically alter the play balance.
I did like the 'No Icons below 500 feet' in the last setup, but maybe change it to 'No Icons below 300 feet'? Differentiate between below DAR & REALLY flying NOE while GV hunting. I HATED the manual bombing; so if you do allow single BUFFs in, could we please not have manual bombing?
Guess I really am :banana: with all this stuff running around in my head on how to make your setup fun. :D
the FW series, BF-series, Spit series, brewster, I16, P-series, ETC are all planes under consideration. they all have forward facing guns. i might even throw in the A20 without bombing capabilities as a bonus fighter :)
Oh Boy! A20 as a sub for one of those German BUFF night-fighters :banana: :banana: :banana:
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I would be very interested in a vehicular war for a week
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If the gv'ers worked together and deployed the equipment effectively those aircraft wouldn't be a big deal...I know how I would deploy but ah ain't de genrul.
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Im in if ya let bomb ya's, thats all im interested in :devil
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Hello Jaeger, <S>!
Very good idea, I dare to say. I will likely join in just for the fun of it. Allow me only a couple of suggestions:
- Use EW single engined fighters without cannon and - if at all - small bombs; enable them in a couple of rear fields and one front-line airfield; make them fly and search the armour; make them defend the front-line base.
- Choose carefully a map and consider having no spawn points other than the base hangar themselves; make people ride the armour, prepare an ambush on the advancing forces, choose a less predictable route for a target, promote multi-vehicle column play.
Maybe it would be interesting to focus solely on town destruction and capture, making aircraft hangars indestructable. No point in forcing GV's to destroy aircraft hangars. Also, maybe a better prize for gaining terrain and capturing bases would be reducing the opponents capability for ressuply, fuel (going to 75%, 50% and 25%) and ammo (disabling some loadouts, sequencially) and, in some cases, deny total use of some type of supporting vehicle (simulation of capture of a M8 or Wirble base).
I am looking forward to join a 7 or 8 armoured column and clock a few miles to target. Keep us posted.
Cheers,
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Please leave icons on
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Please leave icons on
Why? If it's firing at you, it's probably an enemy...if it's dropping a bomb on you, it's probably an enemy...move and shoot back.
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I like the idea of flying dedicated divebombers like the SBD, D3A, and Ju-87 as the main aircraft, with aircraft that lack cannons and have small machineguns as escorts. I'm more interested in the close air support aspect than I am the GVing, as I have terrible eyes on the ground. I-16s, Hurri IIDs, and P-39s as light air to ground and air to air fighters might be a good idea as well.
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most people will be in the air than on the ground. if you really want a tank battle then allow only gv's with some airplanes as scouts. it would be a nice change to have only gv's battles.
semp
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to most of last bunch of posters:
i already said i would limit it to small single engine fighters that could carry 1 bomb
i will leave icons on, they dont work for gv's anyway, only if you're in an airplane can you see icons.
each day there would be objectives to meet. there MIGHT be some bonus vehicles, but thats not a guarantee.
the object is to take the bases assigned to your side IE axis or allied. the side with the most points wins!
the aircraft that are enabled will be dogfighters too. this will encourage some furballing.
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in I say :O
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Why? If it's firing at you, it's probably an enemy...if it's dropping a bomb on you, it's probably an enemy...move and shoot back.
Not really gyrene..ever hear of friendly fire?????
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its running in the AVA arena now! heres the setup:
see the AVA forum for details and for Objectives!
Tank Wars
This is not a realistic scenario, but rather a fun thing.
aircraft are relatively evenly matched.
Vehicles are what they are.
Base capture by 12am EST counts for 5 points for each objective
have fun and may the best tankers win!!
Check the AVA forum for Nightly Objectives
***Note:aircraft may be available at some Vbases
***Note:any base captured, not on the Object list
will cost that country 2 points.
Radar settings will be low, dot dar will be on.
wind will be 10mph from the North
maproom-- 20 troops to capture.
Map: Arden
object: to capture bases for points
allies
aircraft:
seafire MKIIc-can carry a single 500lb bomb
vehicles:
jeep
m3
m8
m16
sherman/firefly
t34
Axis
Aircraft:
g14--can carry a single 250KG bomb
vehicles
Jeep
skdfz251
Ostwind
Wirblewind
panzer
Tiger
bonus: Vehicles
only at certain bases
Axis--M3's
Allies--wirblewinds
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Had a blast tonight and a :salute for the set up. I loved the Vbase setup, nothing like rolling street to street looking for enemy armor :x. I'll be back for more this week.
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the 109-G14 has been replaced with the 109-G2. i forgot that the 109-G14 had rockets. anyway, check it out and have fun with it. we did! there was a Raging battle going on in there until 12am midnight EST. <S> to all that played!!
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Everything was fun about the setup. Definitely add the t-34/85 & maybe takeout the Sherman for the time being. Now that the g2 is in, swap the Seafire for the SpitVIII is my only suggestion for equalizing the air war part in this AvA setup.
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last night i found the Sherman is deadly on the tigers. its a 1 shot kill with a sherman VS shells bouncing off the hull with the T34. the only reason for the plane switch was to get rid of rocket abilities.
the plane match up is based on bombing abilities, not dogfighting abilities. although the g2 is a much better plane then the Seafire :D
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captamer1..can you tell us the start dates and times of these upcoming engagements.
Thanks
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its running now in the AVA. it will run until they change to the next setup on thursday. go try it out. have fun with it.
***Notice--the spit8 is now in and the Seafire is out!