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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on March 06, 2010, 02:38:28 PM
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Pretty cool stuff...
http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/f35targeting/assets/eodasvideo.html
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yeah man, the f-35 is a nice little rig for sure.
Altho i hear reports that most export version's (aswell as some of our versions) will not have internal guns,but a "gun pod" under the belly,kinda blows the stealth aspect away eh?
What also bothers me is the limited weapon load it can carry inside, they mostly packed it with fuel and sensors, leaving little for weapons, and if they sling weapons off the wings "like it can" then that blows away the stealth ability, what we need now,are stealth missiles.
heh, 1.2billion dollar missile, ill take uhm..6
-shrugs-
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The conventional take off version (replaces the F-16) has an internal 25mm cannon, and four internal stations for ord. So it can back-up the F-22 in the air superiority role with four internal missiles and stealth. It can do the same job as the F-177 in the light stealth-bomber role. And with six external pylons it can do the job of the F-16 as a bomb truck... Useful when advanced anti-air and air-threats are nonexistent.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/F35ctolstores.jpg)
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The F35 is actually a stolen Russian design. We just need to wait about ten years after the USAF fields its copies to see the original russian prototype mockup abandoned in a grassy field somewhere east of Moscow.
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The F35 is actually a stolen Russian design. We just need to wait about ten years after the USAF fields its copies to see the original russian prototype mockup abandoned in a grassy field somewhere east of Moscow.
We need Boroda back
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yeah man, the f-35 is a nice little rig for sure.
Altho i hear reports that most export version's (aswell as some of our versions) will not have internal guns,but a "gun pod" under the belly,kinda blows the stealth aspect away eh?
What also bothers me is the limited weapon load it can carry inside, they mostly packed it with fuel and sensors, leaving little for weapons, and if they sling weapons off the wings "like it can" then that blows away the stealth ability, what we need now,are stealth missiles.
heh, 1.2billion dollar missile, ill take uhm..6
-shrugs-
Just my thought on this. After watching that video maybe they aren't as concerned about stealth. That system was pretty amazing if it works as intended, eliminating some need for stealth. I'm sure depending on the role it's going to be used for they might choose to make it more or less stealthy.
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I wonder how effective it would be to fire a missile at a target behind you. I am sure it would give them a good scare to think they are getting a missile lock on the F-35, then have a missile lock on them.
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Well i do know the aim-9x is one of the most advanced insane missiles ever devised, To say that thing gets a hard on for its target, is a HUGE understatement.
Still one of the only missiles that can go mach 3 in one direction, do a 180 and go mach 3 in a complete opposit direction and STILL track its target through heat, visual identifecation, gp's & inboard radar. (and probably other classified things)
The Aim-9x effectivly killed the "dog fighter" role,as no jet needs to turn anymore, and its only a matter of time before the sensors depict a full 180x180 field of view with or without the pilot even turning his head (and that assuming the next gen will eve HAVE a pilot) Willing to bet in the future we will see multiple unmanned scram jet aircraft,with the ability to launch advanced missiles at targets no humans will lay eyes on,with the exceptions of a camera or two or three.
Now the day we have a missile that is stealth, no one will see it coming,and if its anything like the aim-9x..it will not matter.
Willing to bet this will push the fight upto ever higher altitudes to the point of zero g space combat, afterall..when a military realises "he who command space,commands the planets" it will be another race for not ones nation, but the world. :rock "i clame russia in the name of mike."
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LOL @ the amount of self-stroking going on in this thread.
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I'm sure it will quickly take the place of its predecessors as the #1 mishap aircraft in the U.S. military since it only has a single engine. The Navy has lost its mind or been given the BGW on this aircraft. 2 engines should have been the first design requirement.
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Agreed on the engine thing, highly.
But these f-35 engines are way good, awesome power to weight ratio, the f-35 can fly longer faster and futher than any jet made yet "without Dt's" even the f-22 gulps fuel like a mad monster.
I think the f-35 will be a stepping stone to better,faster more capable unmanned scram jet stealth space craft or high high altitude crafts.
Think ufos, lasers & stealth missiles and that kinda bizzare stuff.
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Pretty cool stuff...
http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/f35targeting/assets/eodasvideo.html
Cosmic! :aok
Thanks, rog.
Sun
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The Aim-9x effectivly killed the "dog fighter" role,as no jet needs to turn anymore,
We have heard that line before and the cost for it was big. I hope no one in the Pentagon feels the same way.
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Seems like the F-35 holds its own by itself, but for some reason it looks to me as if it can't multitask. As in, it NEEDS its wingman to do half the work, or are the extra jets just to make the video more fancy or more detailed?
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That line "Let the missle do the fighting" doesnt make it for me. Ive heard countless stories of the predators missing with Hellfires. I hope they train up those pilots still.
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Agreed on the engine thing, highly.
But these f-35 engines are way good, awesome power to weight ratio, the f-35 can fly longer faster and futher than any jet made yet "without Dt's" even the f-22 gulps fuel like a mad monster.
I think the f-35 will be a stepping stone to better,faster more capable unmanned scram jet stealth space craft or high high altitude crafts.
Think ufos, lasers & stealth missiles and that kinda bizzare stuff.
Next thing you know, we'll be hearing about twin ion engines and fighters named after letters and with folding wings. :lol
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Willing to bet in the future we will see multiple unmanned scram jet aircraft,with the ability to launch advanced missiles at targets no humans will lay eyes on,with the exceptions of a camera or two or three.
Now the day we have a missile that is stealth, no one will see it coming,and if its anything like the aim-9x..it will not matter.
Although I agree that there will be unmanned SCRAM jets, I doubt they will be for combat purposes. I understand spy/recon/bomber planes being unmanned, but fighters not as much, as then it's all money. It doesn't really matter if you shoot down a plane, a countries out a few million, yay, scoot over a monitor and they're up again... I don't really get a tactical purpose for it...
And although yes, a stealth missile would be pretty awesome, one day, stealth technology will be broken. A "new" way to detect only god-knows-what will come out, and stealth technology will be gone. Now, seems to me like if we rely on "stealth" unmanned aircraft who's main purpose is to deliver a missile here-or-there, we're screwed. But, anywho, that's my $.02
Towards the OP:
The F-35 is a beast, but it doesn't seem like it's made to operate alone. Put up a group of F-22s with some F-35s and something's gonna get blown up...
~Trig
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yeah man, the f-35 is a nice little rig for sure.
Altho i hear reports that most export version's (aswell as some of our versions) will not have internal guns,but a "gun pod" under the belly,kinda blows the stealth aspect away eh?
What also bothers me is the limited weapon load it can carry inside, they mostly packed it with fuel and sensors, leaving little for weapons, and if they sling weapons off the wings "like it can" then that blows away the stealth ability, what we need now,are stealth missiles.
heh, 1.2billion dollar missile, ill take uhm..6
-shrugs-
What most will order is the A model. The A is the only model that will have an internal gun. The other 2 will not have an internal gun. There will be some countries that will order the B, which is the Harrier replacement, but the majority will be buying the A.
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I'm sure it will quickly take the place of its predecessors as the #1 mishap aircraft in the U.S. military since it only has a single engine. The Navy has lost its mind or been given the BGW on this aircraft. 2 engines should have been the first design requirement.
My thoughts exactly.
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I had a go on one of the Lockheed F35 simulators about 6 years ago and with the amount of information being received by the pilot it kind of dawned on me that the same info could be relayed to a pilot sitting somewhere safe controling a UAV.