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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: danny76 on March 09, 2010, 05:51:43 PM
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Link ENY to score not numbers.
If you have 20 guys in one country with a K/D ratio of 15:1 that should be greater cause for plane limitation than to have 50 newbs getting eaten up by 262 and tempest toting aces, without a chance of fightback because they can only up a Spit 1
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Link ENY to score not numbers.
If you have 20 guys in one country with a K/D ratio of 15:1 that should be greater cause for plane limitation than to have 50 newbs getting eaten up by 262 and tempest toting aces, without a chance of fightback because they can only up a Spit 1
First find a way to link score reliably to skill, then come back and ask again to link score to ENY.
Second, don't make up stories. There is NO way you could up "only Spit 1". ENY never gets >30, and on TT it very rarely gets above >15-20 (and only for very short times). You don't help your cause by exaggerating. (Which goes also for "20 guys with k/D 15:1 in one country")
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First find a way to link score reliably to skill, then come back and ask again to link score to ENY.
Second, don't make up stories. There is NO way you could up "only Spit 1". ENY never gets >30, and on TT it very rarely gets above >15-20 (and only for very short times). You don't help your cause by exaggerating. (Which goes also for "20 guys with k/D 15:1 in one country")
Calm down to a frenzy, OK, so i exaggerated the Spit 1, but not the Spit 5. Not the Hurri MK1, I'm pretty poor no matter what the A/c, but i think that if you are going to limit aircraft choice, which i disagree with, it should be limited to the guys who obviously have more skills than the majority, and use that way to even the playing field, rather than limit the guys of every skill simply on the virtue of which virtual country they and their buddies are in.
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Calm down to a frenzy, OK, so i exaggerated the Spit 1, but not the Spit 5. Not the Hurri MK1, I'm pretty poor no matter what the A/c, but i think that if you are going to limit aircraft choice, which i disagree with, it should be limited to the guys who obviously have more skills than the majority, and use that way to even the playing field, rather than limit the guys of every skill simply on the virtue of which virtual country they and their buddies are in.
Max ENY is 30.
ENY >20 is quite rare and is the result of extreme hording in the first place.
Hurri 1 has ENY 40. Spit V has 25, but so has the 109G-14.
And again: How do you determine a pilot's skill level?
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Max ENY is 30.
ENY >20 is quite rare and is the result of extreme hording in the first place.
Hurri 1 has ENY 40. Spit V has 25, but so has the 109G-14.
And again: How do you determine a pilot's skill level?
How do you?
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How do you?
Why should I? It's not me who is asking to link ENY to skill.
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Good of you, bearing in mind your platinum member rating, to be so helpful.
Kindly bear with me, i'm not an idiot, as i'm certain you are not, but the fact is that it's always repeated in forums and vox/chat, that it is the pilot not the plane.
I'm certain you could shoot down my spit14 in a spit1, i've met you rarely but you always won irrespective of the ride.
I would suggest and i imagine you would agree, that there are good sticks, poor sticks, and the majority are mediocre.
What i suggest would give the poor guys better chance against the mediocre guys, the middling guys a better chance against the top guys, and the top and mediocre guys would get more of a challenge.
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Link ENY to score not numbers.
If you have 20 guys in one country with a K/D ratio of 15:1 that should be greater cause for plane limitation than to have 50 newbs getting eaten up by 262 and tempest toting aces, without a chance of fightback because they can only up a Spit 1
I'm sorry. I missed the reason you and your buddies couldn't switch countries and even up the numbers and maybe get to fly some cheap perk planes for awhile.
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fly mid or early war planes in the Latewar.............. problem solved
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I'm sorry. I missed the reason you and your buddies couldn't switch countries and even up the numbers and maybe get to fly some cheap perk planes for awhile.
Perked planes do not make any difference if you are only a poor/mid level pilot, perk planes only give good pilots a greater adavantage. I get some decent kills in spit 8/9, sometimes in c2/5's, fm2's etc. I may as well not bother with Tiff's i'm not good at bnz despite trying, I've killed a 262 in a spit but only on a snap front 1/4 hard rudder shot. But 1 on 1, 2 on 1 with equal machines i don't fare too badly.
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It's not just the pilot. It's not just the plane. It's the combination of how the pilot uses the plane, and what attributes that plane enhances on the pilot.
A pilot in a plane with a lot of horsepower can climb, use yo-yos, etc. A plane with docile stall characteristics can keep a ham-fisted pilot in the air longer.
So a perk plane benefits a newbie and a veteran just the same. It gives him the same benefits, he just has to use it in a way that works (for both the pilot and the plane).
Perk planes more often than not benefit newbies who use that advantage the plane gives without really piloting it in effective ways. That's why you see a lot of newbies that have no skill in tempests, or c-hogs, and so on.
After a certain point, the "more skilled" players can get the same results with lesser-performing aircraft.
Thus you could say perk planes do NOT benefit the veterans nearly as much as they do the newbies.
But they sure are fun :joystick: :cool:
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Perked planes do not make any difference if you are only a poor/mid level pilot, perk planes only give good pilots a greater adavantage. I get some decent kills in spit 8/9, sometimes in c2/5's, fm2's etc. I may as well not bother with Tiff's i'm not good at bnz despite trying, I've killed a 262 in a spit but only on a snap front 1/4 hard rudder shot. But 1 on 1, 2 on 1 with equal machines i don't fare too badly.
I didn't say you HAD to fly perk planes. I asked why you didn't grab your friends and switch to the outnumbered side and make the ENY penalty less severe or disappear completely?
If, by your argument, you want 1 vs.1 with equal machines...well..you're going to have to even up the teams. That's exacly what the ENY system is in place to do.
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Well i'm an effective Newb, i rarely if ever take up a perk plane, i have a load of points but i have flown 262's and 163's, tempest's, etc in training arena's and just can't do it. I cannot imagine how you can see a newb being shored up by a good plane, surely they're all in newbfires?
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The thing is, that you're assuming there isn't a fairly even distribution of players of all score levels across the countries...
I don't think that, even if it were tied to score, it would make any difference.
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quit flying for the horde and you wont have ENY problems :aok
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Who's flying for the horde, Knights are rarely the Horde, but i've experienced ENY everywhere. And the point i was making is that the best pilots get the best planes, the newbs fly the best they can get, and get picked and vulched and/or outflown when the perky pilots e is gone.
Wouldn't it be fair to make all a/c available? or limit the best pilots selection to even the playing field?
It certainly appears that many posting against ENY being score related, would like to have a well stocked country flying obsolete a/c, flown by newbies to pad their already swollen scores with?
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why u so worried about score? score means crap. most of the best players in the game arent even in the top 100. LOL i challenged a top 20 to DA just a couple days ago and the guy wussed out. Score does not = skill.
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It certainly appears that many posting against ENY being score related, would like to have a well stocked country flying obsolete a/c, flown by newbies to pad their already swollen scores with?
When all else fails, call anyone who disagrees with you a scoretard :aok
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spit 5, b239, c205 are all very capable aircraft if ENY gets high. Try them out, you may be surprised how well you do.
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why u so worried about score? score means crap. most of the best players in the game arent even in the top 100. LOL i challenged a top 20 to DA just a couple days ago and the guy wussed out. Score does not = skill.
AAAAAAANNNNNDDD here we go again. No one cares about score?, it's no way of judging skill?, well just type "score" into the bulletin board search engine, you'll find that no-one cares about it ever.
The same number of guys who HO, vulch and pick in actual fact. Score in AH is like money in real life, the only ones who don't think about it are the ones who've got it.
I am not asking to be top 20, top 500 might be nice, and i want the chance to do it, not to get ho'd repeatedly by a temp, or shot up by a 262 when i'm wounded on the way home. Only to have the same guy vulch me on another field 5k away 45 secs later as i re upped
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I'm pretty sure that my score actually sucks....
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fly mid or early war planes in the Latewar.............. problem solved
I think this may be your answer Danny76. Start off with less & work your way up.
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AAAAAAANNNNNDDD here we go again. No one cares about score?, it's no way of judging skill?, well just type "score" into the bulletin board search engine, you'll find that no-one cares about it ever.
The same number of guys who HO, vulch and pick in actual fact. Score in AH is like money in real life, the only ones who don't think about it are the ones who've got it.
I am not asking to be top 20, top 500 might be nice, and i want the chance to do it, not to get ho'd repeatedly by a temp, or shot up by a 262 when i'm wounded on the way home. Only to have the same guy vulch me on another field 5k away 45 secs later as i re upped
You need to look into how the scoring works. What you describe won't generate a great score in AH. The guys that understand score are the ones in the C47 dropping troops, in the bombers hitting targets, in PT boats hitting carriers or bases. Shooting down other planes is just a fraction (a small one) of your score.
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spit 5, b239, c205 are all very capable aircraft if ENY gets high. Try them out, you may be surprised how well you do.
got nearly 70 perks last night with 2 sorties in a 205. 5 kills each. 1 ended in a 1 shot pilot death from the town ack the other time i got stupid and tried to vulch a yak trying to land and got killed by either a flak or something just taking off.. couldnt really tell.
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I think this may be your answer Danny76. Start off with less & work your way up.
Appreciated, but how does this help when i'm finally in a alt and speed position to get the drop on a cannon corsair, but i have to make do with 0.303's, won't make me a better pilot, i'll just be more dead.
And i really couldn't give a toss about score, i just want to face guys on an equal footing.
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Appreciated, but how does this help when i'm finally in a alt and speed position to get the drop on a cannon corsair, but i have to make do with 0.303's, won't make me a better pilot, i'll just be more dead.
There is no ENY situation where you get relegated to using .303s only. There are quite a number of high ENY planes with strong armament. It's not just a Tempest-or-HurriI situation.
190A8 2x30mm, 2x20mm, 2x 13mm - ENY 25
109F & G 20mm (Did you know that these two can turn with a Spit 16?) - ENY 30
109G14 30mm or 20mm - ENY 25
109K-4 30mm and fastest prop plane 8k-24k (yes, faster than a Temp) - ENY 20
Speaking of corsair: F4U-1, 6x0.50, ENY 25
P-47D-11: 8x .0.50, ENY 25
B-239: 4x 0.50 - ENY 30
ENY never forces you into a Hurri I or Spit I.. These birds are being used deliberately for fun only.
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Appreciated, but how does this help when i'm finally in a alt and speed position to get the drop on a cannon corsair, but i have to make do with 0.303's, won't make me a better pilot, i'll just be more dead.
And i really couldn't give a toss about score, i just want to face guys on an equal footing.
Since we don't die for real, alot of us use the experience of getting sent to the tower to improve. This can take many different paths but ultimately comes down to study. Study .ahf films, study tactics, study plane performance charts, practice things in the TA and DA.
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There is no ENY situation where you get relegated to using .303s only. There are quite a number of high ENY planes with strong armament. It's not just a Tempest-or-HurriI situation.
190A8 2x30mm, 2x20mm, 2x 13mm - ENY 25
109F & G 20mm (Did you know that these two can turn with a Spit 16?) - ENY 30
109G14 30mm or 20mm - ENY 25
109K-4 30mm and fastest prop plane 8k-24k (yes, faster than a Temp) - ENY 20
Speaking of corsair: F4U-1, 6x0.50, ENY 25
P-47D-11: 8x .0.50, ENY 25
B-239: 4x 0.50 - ENY 30
ENY never forces you into a Hurri I or Spit I.. These birds are being used deliberately for fun only.
Thank you, but I AM NOT VERY GOOD AT THIS, only just learning a spit8, can't do the permanent barrell rolling things or BnZ of all those you mentioned, excepting the brewster and jug i may as welll not take off
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Thank you, but I AM NOT VERY GOOD AT THIS, only just learning a spit8, can't do the permanent barrell rolling things or BnZ of all those you mentioned, excepting the brewster and jug i may as welll not take off
109f4 is almost spit like...try it.
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109f4 is almost spit like...try it.
Agreed :aok You could also use the 109G2 is a great turn fighter & when defending a base from Carrier based aircraft it will hold it's own if you fly it right. Not to mention you can tack on the gondolas & you have 3x20 mm cannons.
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There is no ENY situation where you get relegated to using .303s only. There are quite a number of high ENY planes with strong armament. It's not just a Tempest-or-HurriI situation.
190A8 2x30mm, 2x20mm, 2x 13mm - ENY 25
109F & G 20mm (Did you know that these two can turn with a Spit 16?) - ENY 30
109G14 30mm or 20mm - ENY 25
109K-4 30mm and fastest prop plane 8k-24k (yes, faster than a Temp) - ENY 20
Speaking of corsair: F4U-1, 6x0.50, ENY 25
P-47D-11: 8x .0.50, ENY 25
B-239: 4x 0.50 - ENY 30
ENY never forces you into a Hurri I or Spit I.. These birds are being used deliberately for fun only.
Go up against AKElfy in a 109F,,Dont care what your in...Most likely you will die.
Brewsters are as nasty as a Zero in the right hands.
Get a Hurri MK1 or Spit1 locked on your 6...You can't get away
So the whine about not being able to fly the fastest and the best really dosent hold water.
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Spit 5 is my spit of choice...great little plane.....
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Spit 5 is my spit of choice...great little plane.....
Teaches gun discipline with that short clip. :aok
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Appreciated, but how does this help when i'm finally in a alt and speed position to get the drop on a cannon corsair, but i have to make do with 0.303's, won't make me a better pilot, i'll just be more dead.
And i really couldn't give a toss about score, i just want to face guys on an equal footing.
Key word here is equal footing. Had a set of Bostons in late war was bounced by a f4u4 & a chog f4u4 takes out two drones. OK so now it's time to dog fight with a Boston get several hits on F4U4 pilot wound him he bugs out turn on chog he takes out left engine I work around him & shot him down?
So who was on equal footing? Certainly not me. I managed to flip the script because they were under the impression oh look Bostons meat on the table. The only way I learned how to do this was to go into early war & learn how to dog fight with it 1V1 & then go from there. I still go into early war & practice it & it is a good bomber killer too :aok
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Key word here is equal footing. Had a set of Bostons in late war was bounced by a f4u4 & a chog f4u4 takes out two drones. OK so now it's time to dog fight with a Boston get several hits on F4U4 pilot wound him he bugs out turn on chog he takes out left engine I work around him & shot him down?
So who was on equal footing? Certainly not me. I managed to flip the script because they were under the impression oh look Bostons meat on the table. The only way I learned how to do this was to go into early war & learn how to dog fight with it 1V1 & then go from there. I still go into early war & practice it & it is a good bomber killer too :aok
Thanks, i appreciate the support for the "its the pilot not the plane" statement. But honestly, how do you dogfight a jug in a boston, it out dives, out turns, out climbs and out accellerates you. I get mullered by bombers all the time because i'm too bad a shot and crap at diving shots, but if an a20 etc tries to dogfight i know they'll lose. How do you go about dogfighting a fighter in a slow bomber
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Thanks, i appreciate the support for the "its the pilot not the plane" statement. But honestly, how do you dogfight a jug in a boston, it out dives, out turns, out climbs and out accellerates you. I get mullered by bombers all the time because i'm too bad a shot and crap at diving shots, but if an a20 etc tries to dogfight i know they'll lose. How do you go about dogfighting a fighter in a slow bomber
I'll bet if you go up against cobia, or snaphook in an A20 you'll be the one to lose.
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why u so worried about score? score means crap. most of the best players in the game arent even in the top 100. LOL i challenged a top 20 to DA just a couple days ago and the guy wussed out. Score does not = skill.
True story.....Im ranked 21 in attack right now......because I deacked a field, killed ords, 6 buildings, and all of town ack with a 190F8 in 1 run......Was complete horse poop everyone else was vulching, darn score tards :(
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I'll bet if you go up against cobia, or snaphook in an A20 you'll be the one to lose.
Maybe so, but can anyone tell me why? or just that they're better thatn me which is the essence of this thread anyway?
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Thanks, i appreciate the support for the "its the pilot not the plane" statement. But honestly, how do you dogfight a jug in a boston, it out dives, out turns, out climbs and out accellerates you. I get mullered by bombers all the time because i'm too bad a shot and crap at diving shots, but if an a20 etc tries to dogfight i know they'll lose. How do you go about dogfighting a fighter in a slow bomber
It is not easy at times you have to do a Kenny Rogers & the song he did the Gambler. Although I think lepage (I might have got his name wrong) he & I have had some fun in the training arena. He has that Jug rolling all over the place & to be honest the best learning experience I have had against slow rolling jugs.
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Why should I? It's not me who is asking to link ENY to skill.
he said score. not skill :aok
and danny :cry dont get ya far here
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Calm down to a frenzy, OK, so i exaggerated the Spit 1, but not the Spit 5. Not the Hurri MK1, I'm pretty poor no matter what the A/c, but i think that if you are going to limit aircraft choice, which i disagree with, it should be limited to the guys who obviously have more skills than the majority, and use that way to even the playing field, rather than limit the guys of every skill simply on the virtue of which virtual country they and their buddies are in.
You could always temporarily switch countries....tada! Problem solved. :bolt:
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Maybe so, but can anyone tell me why? or just that they're better thatn me which is the essence of this thread anyway?
They got that way by practicing & learning from their mistakes. You will get better, it just takes time & AH has a steep learning curve.
On the score/skill thing. Score represents how well you understand the game (i.e. gaming the game); for Pete's sake, I am ranked #10 in LW right now! Which only shows I understand a tad about how to "do well" in AH. Skill may be inferred from score, look at a player's k/d ratio and hit % in FTR & ATK modes; k/d & hit% are not the be-all/end-all to measure skill of course, just a rough guide (IMHO).
Keep :airplane: & soon you can be a regular :joystick:
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Maybe so, but can anyone tell me why? or just that they're better thatn me which is the essence of this thread anyway?
Because they have a good understanding of what their plane is capable of, and what their opponents plane is capable of. They fly to their strengths and their opponents weakness. They got that way by fighting, and I don't mean making a high speed passes on a low and slow target. I'm talking about getting down and dirty fighting from the disadvantage and learning from their fights win or lose. For the most part you are not going to jump into AH and be an ace overnight it takes time and practice, lots of practice.
What time do you usually fly Danny? I'm not working right now so I could meet you in the TA and work with you if you like. I believe I'm GM -8.
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quit flying for the horde and you wont have ENY problems :aok
LIES!!!!! :uhoh
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...or just that they're better thatn me which is the essence of this thread anyway?
I think instead of trying to handicap others, you should rather aim to improve yourself. Yes, it's the harder route, but in the end it will pay off. :old:
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And just in case no one else actually pointed it out, Danny. Your trying to argue with the exact guys that can help teach you to do better.
If there is a problem, chances are its not with the game. The game has been here, and pretty much stable for several years. It ain't broke, so it won't get fixed. If the side balance is off, go fly on the lower numbered side. Or else deal with the ENY restrictions, your choice.
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