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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on March 11, 2010, 06:11:43 AM
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WW1 is brilliant well dont HTC.
Can anyone say what the strenghs and weaknesses of the 4 planes are yet.
Obviously in relative terms :D
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Great stuff, a good combo of playability and good flight modelling. Only flew the Dr1 seriously the plane is as you'd expect super manoeuvrable :devil
and very input intensive to get the best out of it, and gravity seems to play more of a part than 'e retention'. I love the way there is no escape once someone commits and no real option to BnZ.
I don't know if collisions from the rear will continue to be a problem or if its just with people getting used to the planes
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so far I like the camel the most, it seems to have fairly good manoverability but also has some engine power to use more moves in the vertical, when I flew the DR1, it seemed to struggle other than turn fighting, but it might be because Im not familer with the planes
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I flew four different planes. The DR7 was easily the best all around plane. the Camel and DR1 had different strengths and weaknesses than some will will prefer.
The DR7:
Very stable. Its roll axis is much closer to the gun centerline which makes aiming much easier. Visibility is superior when looking forward and up and forward due to the low top wing position which enables the pilot see over the top wing. Good rudder control. Very predictible stall behavior. Turn rate is not as good as the DR1 but didn't find it deficient to any of the other palnes. good roll rate. Seemed to have the toughest construction. No glarring weaknesses
The S. Camel
Roll center is closer to the top wing which causes the plane to barrel-roll intead of roll. This make aiming more difficult than the DR7. Visibility up-forward is very poor due to upper wing placement. Very easy to damage. Turn rate not as good as DR1. Power to weight seemed good. It was easy to get over the top and low speed. The visibility and high roll enter are real weaknesses.
DR1
Best turn rate by a significant amount. Slowest of the planes it seemed. Underpowered when going vertical. Slow roll rate.
F.2B
It's all about taking up the rear gunner. :D
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I'd have to agree with Vinkman.
D7 is almost the spit 16 equivilent.
Good all around plane with 500 rpg makes it a killer.
Dr1 for pure turn, but watch the D7's sneaking in your 6.
Camel is midway in turn between the Dr1 and the D7, but has light ammo load.
F2b has single forward gun, but it does have a rear gun that can be effective 400 and closer.
Turn a time or 2 with them, extend out, jump to gunner, rake him at 300, then jump back to pilot seat and turn again. Rinse and repeat.
All of them are easily capable of 3 - 7 kill sorties.
The limiting factor is SA, and collisions.
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It is just a matter of time until the labels come out.
Will it be a run-DR7?
A Dr1-dweeb?
Maybe Cameltard. Nice ring to that one.
Let's not get started on the uses for 'Fokker.'
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Let's not get started on the uses for 'Fokker.'
Why not?
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I mostly flew the Camel last night but I did try all four planes. I thought the turn rate stacked up as Dr I, Fb2, F1, DVII best to worse.
I couldn't hit a thing with the Dr I. I couldn't figure out which site to use or if I should just aim for the middle so I parked it. I liked that the Fb2 had a front gun. FI and DVII seemed about the same in terms of gunnery. For someone like me who relies a lot on snapshots, while they are possible, saddling up seems like a much better idea here.
For the plane I spent the most time in the yaw produced by the Camel's engine seemed to require me to line up a shot low turning left or high turning right (not sure I got that right). The Camel has a hard time going over the top so I found that my tendency to want to Immel turned into a tendency to yoyo instead. It turns pretty well to the right but needs a lot of rudder input to turn left and any quick change of direction in either direction requires a lot of rudder. Rolling was also difficult. Speaking of the engine, there were a couple of times last night that my engine started over-revving in level flight and I also pulled blackout at low speed on a few occasions. Maybe I was pw'd and didn't know it.
Despite it's flaws I love the Camel. Very easy to get used to.
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The Camel has a hard time going over the top so I found that my tendency to want to Immel turned into a tendency to yoyo instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW1Immelmann.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW1Immelmann.jpg)
thats a ww1 immelmann turn its different to the one we use in ww2
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The Fb2 With a Gunner is a blast. Highly recommend it. :aok :lol
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Will it be a run-DR7?
It's too slow at the altitudes we are fighting at for such a label. It's a whopping 3(!) mph faster than a Dr.I on the deck as well as at 3k
All planes 25% fuel, max speed in level flight, on deck:
Dr.I - 115mph
Camel - 115 mph
D.VII - 118 mph
F.2B - 123 mph
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which of these planes have the best wicker work in regards to the chairs? :old:
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The camel has the nicest picnic basket.
DVII does seem to be the crowd favorite, and the DR1 isn't too far behind.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii244/AHhub/aces%20high/ahss1.png)
New planes, new damage model, some new animations, but the same old players. :rolleyes:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW1Immelmann.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW1Immelmann.jpg)
thats a ww1 immelmann turn its different to the one we use in ww2
Thats interesting. I didn't know that.
I'd call that a Chandelle. (spelling?)
Regards,
Wab
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DVII does seem to be the crowd favorite, and the DR1 isn't too far behind.
Plane usage after 24 hours:
D.VII 42%
Dr.I 26%
F.1 22%
F.2B 10% (including gunner kills)
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in that picture, one of the planes has been drawn back to front, at the peak of the turn the plane should be facing away from you, with the tail showing. Labeled stage 3..
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Thats interesting. I didn't know that.
I'd call that a Chandelle. (spelling?)
Regards,
Wab
It's a wingover. Chandelle is a climbing, reversing turn.
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Thats interesting. I didn't know that.
I'd call that a Chandelle. (spelling?)
Regards,
Wab
Chandelle is a climbing 180 that ends at stall speed.
IIRC the original Immelmann is sort of an inclined hammerhead.
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Ineresting in that almost half my kills were of Dr1's last night but 2/3 of my deaths were to DVII's.
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All planes 25% fuel, max speed in level flight, on deck:
Dr.I - 115mph
Camel - 115 mph
D.VII - 118 mph
F.2B - 123 mph
Dr.I matches the data I've seen. D.VII matches the data for Mercedes D.II engine and Camel matches the data for Clerget 9B 130hp engine which was the most common powerplant for it.
Good job Pyro! :)
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DVII does seem to be the crowd favorite, and the DR1 isn't too far behind.
New planes, new damage model, some new animations, but the same old players. :rolleyes:
I think there all really nice to fly
Man all those icons look goofy, looks like a bunch of seagulls at the dump. kills the eye candy that those WWI ac deliver.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii244/AHhub/aces%20high/ahss1.png)
Try This> http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285185.0.html
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my experience of ww1
frame rate 0. No funny frame rate is ZERO
FOLLOWED BY YOU HAVE CRASHED
FOLLOWED BY HOST CONNECTION LOST
not really enamoured with it right now
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errmm there are stats for ww1?
will there be scores ? :O
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errmm there are stats for ww1?
will there be scores ? :O
Yes. They will start showing tomorrow after about 11:00am CST (GMT -6).
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errmm there are stats for ww1?
will there be scores ? :O
I am not sure whather to be dissappointed about this or not. I do not want it to lose that "nothing but the dogfight matters" feel it had last night. Thoughts fellow AHer's?
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I am not sure whather to be dissappointed about this or not. I do not want it to lose that "nothing but the dogfight matters" feel it had last night. Thoughts fellow AHer's?
In my opinion there really isn't anything to 'score', only the stats should be recorded without the rank.
ack-ack
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Considering it turns into a mass of planes shooting at everything, I found the Dr1 to be the most survivable in the furballs.
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It's a wingover. Chandelle is a climbing, reversing turn.
Yep.
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Yes. They will start showing tomorrow after about 11:00am CST (GMT -6).
Uhm for me the stats are showing from the start?
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Perk the DRun 7!
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Uhm for me the stats are showing from the start?
who is #1? :D
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who is #1? :D
I said stats. And scores are there too... just no ranks. :)
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Back to the orignal subject:
The DR7 is a very stable gun platform with effective rudder control and good all around vis.
To my tastes, the DR1 is noticeably lacking in effective rudder control.
For gun aiming in the DR1, use the cross wires in the center of your screen. :)
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Back to the orignal subject:
The DR7 is a very stable gun platform with effective rudder control and good all around vis.
To my tastes, the DR1 is noticeably lacking in effective rudder control.
For gun aiming in the DR1, use the cross wires in the center of your screen. :)
DR7
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I said stats. And scores are there too... just no ranks. :)
looks like kazaa and batfink have been tearing it up!
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The ranks are what I was referring to, as they are not real-time.
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Dr1 flown by a Jasta 2 pilot is the best! :D The only way out of the fight is to kill them all. :airplane:
49Warhawk
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F2B seems to be the fastest, was running away from everything
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See Rule #4
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Your string is hanging out...
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I have been persevering with the camel even though I find little to like about it other than the roundels. The least attractive feature is trying to see through/around the top wing. Add to that least stable gun platform. least ammunition, easiest to stall.
I guess we must have relied on having the no.s in the air war.
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you can do some nice wingovers with the dr1. :) Great job HTC!!
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Getting used to flying at 30mph will take some getting used to,i have argued more times in the past night then i ever have.
(http://home.comcast.net/~husky3d/Camel-DR7.jpg)
And seeing the red enemy icons and getting ready for a fight ...then 10 minuets later when i finely get to them will also take some getting used
to also.
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See Rule #4
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I am not sure whather to be dissappointed about this or not. I do not want it to lose that "nothing but the dogfight matters" feel it had last night. Thoughts fellow AHer's?
We have score's and stat's in aces high? :old:
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I guess we must have relied on having the no.s in the air war.
That and the fantastic maneuverability.
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what I dont like about the WW1 arena is moving back to the WW2 arena and flying a 109 like a dr1 or camel :lol
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I have been persevering with the camel...
I am determined to make the Camel an effective tool.
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I am determined to make the Camel an effective tool.
Ditto. I love it's odd shakes and wiggles. Kinda like the pilot is going through detox or something. I have found my WWI bird!
(http://www.daviddennisphotos.com/sitezimages/galleries/gallery45/Man_Kissing_Camel_in_Giza__Egypt.jpg)
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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/lowerbrook/attachment.jpg)
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Ditto. I love it's odd shakes and wiggles. Kinda like the pilot is going through detox or something. I have found my WWI bird!
Im sure Widewing et al are already on it, but we need some proper, sterile test data with which to work.
Although I havent spent much time in the arena(s) yet due to RL, the Camel seems kinda like the "WWI K4."
Does not respond well to "typical" inputs, engine is both a blessing and a curse, guns seem comparatively difficult to deploy effectively, visibility is zero... but... it's starting to look like it will be able to do things that the rest of em cant follow... so long as you can keep from augering in the process.
Rule #1: Dont turn left. :D
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Rule #1: Dont turn left. :D
This dromedary does not care for that direction at all. You gotta fight it that direction every time. Consequently right turns are fast and snappy with power. I always try to merge with enemy on my right side. They unfortunately do not always cooperate. The guns have great punch in comparison to the other planes. Views I am still working on, but give up seeing anything above the upper wing, unless the cons are in your sunroof. By the way the sunroof is not where I would prefer them to be... :D
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I am happy about the way all (4) different WWI planes have "different quirks" about them......
the "Fixed Pitch Propellers" and the yawing/dipping is most excellent.....love the Red Line'ng / over reving of the WWI engines and the engine damage
model.........teaching throttle control.......( NOTE: I hope we see this feature in the WWII Arenas SOON )
The improved/expanded Damage model ( CTRL D to toggle it on/off for view ) is exciting.........
all these new features we are seeing in the WWL Arenas, will hopefully be tested & Debugged efficiently & quickly to hopefully start showing up in all other Game Arenas eventually......
those that will spend ample amount of time flying in WWI, will be stalling out , spinning, flopping all over in the WWII arenas when they jump back over to WWII arenas......... one must "practice" the differences and make mental notes...... or they will infact be taking a step back in their own learning curves, until they realize the (2) different era's and the Plane Performance differences.....
I'd like to offer up a "THANK YOU to HTC ( HiTech, Pyro, Superfly, Waffle, Sudz, Skuzzy, Rosie (<---- Carrie ) ) for making this venture a reality, and I want to extend that Thank You on to Badboy, for what you did . noticed u had a Thank You note in the splashscreen credits.....& AKDogg for his WWI Engine & Engine Start sounds we received in the 2.18 Patch 1 update......
and just to think, each of you are Game Players at heart, thanks for going the extra mile to offer us all the best fun to be had :aok :cheers:
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I haven't really tried the other planes for a real comparison, but the Camel appears to dive well and can tolerate maneuvering at those speeds so long as you don't push her too hard. And as maneuverable as she is at lower speeds, she can also whip that nose around when fast. She REALLY swings through the bottom of a low yo-yo, and can virtually swap ends when going to the right on a hammerhead.
The real key to being successful in the Camel is going to be using the torque to your advantage. Try to force the fights to the right, and if you need to go left during a fight it might be faster to roll to the RIGHT to change directions (similar to the 109s in low-speed, high-power situations). Backing off the power can also help when going to the left.
I've found the nose has a tendency to go high when attempting to set up a guns solution, so you should try to set up slightly low. The guns appear to have a good, flat trajectory so if you can account for the nose bounce even at these short ranges gunnery should be relatively trouble-free. They definitely have some good power. A short burst will saw the wings right off a D.VII. Conversely, the Camel appears to be quite rugged and can take a comparatively good pounding before going down.
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You gotta fight it that direction every time.
Aye. I find that reducing throttle helps; hence my K4 comparison - like Sax says, below...
The real key to being successful in the Camel is going to be using the torque to your advantage. Try to force the fights to the right, and if you need to go left during a fight it might be faster to roll to the RIGHT to change directions (similar to the 109s in low-speed, high-power situations). Backing off the power can also help when going to the left.
...the Camel is the "109's opposite" in everything, making it counter-intuitive for people like us leather-types, who go for right side horizontal displacement without even thinking about it.
My knowledge of WWI aircraft is far, far below WWII so I am actually learning as I go (and reading this morning at work... gotta love Friday) and Ive read, with respect to the Camel, that drivers would actually turn 270 degrees to the right in order to change direction to the left because it was just as quick - if not quicker - than turning 90 degrees to the left.
Fascinating.
the "Fixed Pitch Propellers" and the yawing/dipping is most excellent.....love the Red Line'ng / over reving of the WWI engines and the engine damage
model.........teaching throttle control.......( NOTE: I hope we see this feature in the WWII Arenas SOON )
Agree. LOVE the engine management system. Brilliant implementation by HTC. Not too complex, not too simple. Requires user input and doesn't detract from the fun - adds to it. Well done. One more skill that will need to be mastered to get full performance out of the aircraft.
WWII next, please. :D
I'd like to offer up a "THANK YOU to HTC ( HiTech, Pyro, Superfly, Waffle, Sudz, Skuzzy, Rosie (<---- Carrie ) ) for making this venture a reality, and I want to extend that Thank You on to Badboy, for what you did . noticed u had a Thank You note in the splashscreen credits.....& AKDogg for his WWI Engine & Engine Start sounds we received in the 2.18 Patch 1 update......
Goes without saying.
HTC have truly outdone themselves. Excellent, excellent job. I didnt even care about WWI until last night. Now Im obsessed. :D
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A thing I observed...
For the first 48 hours, the DVII did not only have most kills, but also a substantially higher K/D than all other planes. Compared to the Dr.I (K/D~1.05) I wondered a bit about that, as the DVII isn't really faster, climbs significantly worse and is completely outclassed when it comes to turning.
But during the last hours, the arena K/D's of those planes are getting closer and closer, the DRI improving, the DVII's getting worse. Now it's 1.17(DVII) to 1.15
I guess it had just taken time for most players to getting used to the more wicked FM of the Dreidecker.
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I took a few more rides in the Dr1 and the DVII last night but still ended up going back to the Camel.
The DVII seems a lot less stable in a turn than the Camel and seems to be the worst turning of the four. I really don't understand it's popularity.
I did have fun in the Dr1 which can out spiral climb any of the other planes. Any time I had a con on my six all it took was a spiral climb to lose him. It's a great tactic for setting up the rope. I'd have 2-4 planes stalling out below me and have my choice of targets. Now I've got to work on the timing and gunnery to take advantage of it.
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I really don't understand it's popularity.
Probably speed and climb.
Incidentally, at least fighting against I don't find the vertical of the Dr.I all that impressive (which even by WWI standards its not). I think all three of the others out-vertical it.
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Probably speed and climb.
Incidentally, at least fighting against I don't find the vertical of the Dr.I all that impressive (which even by WWI standards its not). I think all three of the others out-vertical it.
In terms of pure climb rate the Dr1 is clearly superior to each of the other 3 aircraft. Go test it and then come tell me I'm wrong.
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OK. I went and tested them and I was wrong. The F2B is the best climber but I've only flown it once.
At 50% fuel the times from spawning to 2K are as follows (from wheels up to 2K):
F2B: 2:05 (1:45)
Dr1: 2:10 (1:50)
F1: 2:20 (2:00)
DVII: 2:25 (2:05)
Each plane took about 20 seconds for the engine to fire and it's wheels to lift so deducting that makes the percentage differences that much higher.
F2B: 5% better than Dr1, 12% better than F1, 16% better than DVII
Dr1: 8% better than F1, 12% better than DVII
F1: 4% better than DVII
So, I think this proves my point in that the F2B pilots are generally trying to drag you onto their sixes and the Dr1 has about a 10% climb rate advantage over the other two fighters.
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Threat the F2B like a Lanc, under 6 shots there guns cant shoot lower 6
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I took a few more rides in the Dr1 and the DVII last night but still ended up going back to the Camel.
The DVII seems a lot less stable in a turn than the Camel and seems to be the worst turning of the four. I really don't understand it's popularity.
I did have fun in the Dr1 which can out spiral climb any of the other planes. Any time I had a con on my six all it took was a spiral climb to lose him. It's a great tactic for setting up the rope. I'd have 2-4 planes stalling out below me and have my choice of targets. Now I've got to work on the timing and gunnery to take advantage of it.
The D.VII is the easiest of the four to fly, has the most forgiving flight characteristics of the four, good blend of speed, climb rate and maneuverability. Engine is rugged, and dives well without breaking up easily like the Dr.I, rugged enough that it can take some punishment. All in all, very nice traits for a fighter.
On a side note...The Allies felt that the D.VII was dangerous enough that it was the only aircraft specifically mentioned as part of the conditions of the Armistice that stated Germany was to surrender in good condition all D.VIIs.
ack-ack
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In terms of pure climb rate the Dr1 is clearly superior to each of the other 3 aircraft. Go test it and then come tell me I'm wrong.
The thing is, I assume because of all of the drag, that the Dr 1 has no zoom climb to speak of whatsoever. It's even difficult to complete an immelman out of a steep dive in the thing.
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In terms of pure climb rate the Dr1 is clearly superior to each of the other 3 aircraft. Go test it and then come tell me I'm wrong.
It's not just pure climb rate, but the ability to climb while sharply turning and not taking up a lot of sky doing it. You'll never outrun anything in a DRI.
Someone mentioned they were repeatedly doing about 30 mph, get your stick forward and stop bleeding "E". These planes fly better at about 50 to 80 mph. I'm wondering why the Camel was released with the Clerget 130, it was also available with the Bentley and Gnome Monosuapape 160 HP and should have better rate of climb and speed.
Waiting for you guys to get the Nieuport Vstrutter sesquiplanes and the SE5a.
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Yes. They will start showing tomorrow after about 11:00am CST (GMT -6).
Argh, that will be the end of it all :confused:
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I absolutley love the Camel, it's as fun fighting it as the guy you're trying to shoot down.
Suckering D7's into a flat turn to the right is my favorite thing to do :D
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I absolutley love the Camel, it's as fun fighting it as the guy you're trying to shoot down.
Suckering D7's into a flat turn to the right is my favorite thing to do :D
I will be looking for you in my flat turn to the right in my D7 homey. I will be going right but inverted so its actually left.
Homey <<<S>>>
Hoorrrrrrrrrrriiiiiibbbbbblll llllleeeeeeeeeeeeee
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You guys are aware that the favored WW-I trick to turn a sharp left with a Sop Camel was to do a snap/flick roll to the right and let the precession whip you through 270 degrees of turn. It takes some practice because it could turn into a spin.
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certain aspects of the flight model seem suspicious. The Dr1 for example climbs off the deck at ~1100 feet per minute. However, inverted I was able to maintain over 900ft per minute climbrate. Seems pretty odd for an undercamber wing to be so capable in inverted flight
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The thing is, I assume because of all of the drag, that the Dr 1 has no zoom climb to speak of whatsoever. It's even difficult to complete an immelman out of a steep dive in the thing.
None of them has anything like a "zoom climb." And they don't retain E, they retain D - drag! :lol
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Thus far, DR7 getting nearly as many kills as Dr1 and Camel combined
WW1 Tour 1 Statistics for all planes/vehicles/boats
Plane Name Kills Deaths Kill/Death Ratio
D.VII 33468 29474 1.14
Dr.I 23066 20061 1.15
F.1 13799 18120 0.76
F.2B 4897 7769 0.63
Gunner 201 7 25.12
Totals 75431 75431 1.00
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certain aspects of the flight model seem suspicious. The Dr1 for example climbs off the deck at ~1100 feet per minute. However, inverted I was able to maintain over 900ft per minute climbrate. Seems pretty odd for an undercamber wing to be so capable in inverted flight
You might be right, as the Gottingen 286 airfoil used on the DRI is a close relative to the Clark Y, with a large radius entry and should have a soft stall, and be able to handle angles of attack that would have stalled out both the Sopwith's and Bristol's, Royal Air Factory based 'foils. The main thing is that the rotaries engines should not be able to run inverted for long. It might be able to maintain altitude inverted in the prototype, But I wouldn't expect much climb.
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After a couple of hours in WW1 these are my personal observations. The D7 seems the easiest, most forgiving plane to fly. It has a good control response on all axes. Especially the roll rate puts it above the Dr1. The stall is very predictable and it never departed on my while manouvering. The dive capabilities are much better than in the Dr1 where you start losing parts with no or very little warning. The high views generally are better in the D7 than in the Dr1.
While the Dr1 might outturn you flat you can always go vertical or oblique to keep pace with it - and the 3 wings make for a big target to shoot at. I only know the Camel as an enemie and always felt I could keep it at bay with both the D7 and the Dr1. The biggest pitfall of the Dr1 for me is the dreaded flat spin. I lost more planes while sliding down sideways than to enemy fire. I can make some nifty aerobatic manouver when done right but chances are I cannot recover in time...
All in all the D7 seems to be the better rounded dogfighter. Not beeing the best in any category but combining all the need treats of a fighter airplane.
ATM I spend most of the time in the Dr1 just not to be in the D7 crowd... :) and I always loved the Red Baron.
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I flew several sorties in the F2B yesterday. It's a fun plane to fly... much more so than I expected.
It's faster and has a better climb rate than any of the other planes but still turns suprisingly well. I actually flew one to 7K yesterday afternoon across no mans land as there wasn't anyone fighting our country so I had to go get into the furball between the other two countries.
Considering it's speed and climb rate I decided to see if it might be the BnZer of the group. What I found out was that ripping the top wing off is really easy. You have to keep a constant watch on your speed to avoid this but even then once on the deck it's got the speed to close on, or get away from anything and if the enemy is close you've always got the tail gun at your disposal until you get seperation.
I also tried using the climb advantage to see how it would do in a spiral climbing fight. I got into one with a Camel and another with a DR1. Neither plane could stay with the F2B although the Camel seemed to fare better than the DR1 over the long term.
All in all a very capable and fun plane.
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Slightly off topic...
Went searching around on the intarwebzorz over the weekend for replica WWI AC for sale.
Do you have any idea how cheap these things are? Fully built kits (by manufacturer) at a 1:1 scale are almost all under $15,000. I saw a used DR1 for $9,500 with about 75 hours on it, total.
Is there any reason why people like us (read: deep love of aviation; wallet not quite as deep) don't pursue this route? That's less than most cars.
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Is there any reason why people like us (read: deep love of aviation; wallet not quite as deep) don't pursue this route? That's less than most cars.
I'll take Wife Ack for $400, Alex.
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I'll take Wife Ack for $400, Alex.
DING DING DING! We have a winner! :lol
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Slightly off topic...
Went searching around on the intarwebzorz over the weekend for replica WWI AC for sale.
Do you have any idea how cheap these things are? Fully built kits (by manufacturer) at a 1:1 scale are almost all under $15,000. I saw a used DR1 for $9,500 with about 75 hours on it, total.
Is there any reason why people like us (read: deep love of aviation; wallet not quite as deep) don't pursue this route? That's less than most cars.
Hmmmm thanks for the post, im going to look at some of the kits, i wouldnt mind selling my mastercraft for a Kite, (no wife ack) but im sure my son might get pissed cause the wakeboad boats gone lol
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Hmm dangerous comes to mind.....
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Hmm dangerous comes to mind.....
How was the vacation? ;)
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Hmmmm thanks for the post, im going to look at some of the kits, i wouldnt mind selling my mastercraft for a Kite, (no wife ack) but im sure my son might get pissed cause the wakeboad boats gone lol
Or he could be the coolest kid on the planet BECAUSE he wakeboards behind a DR1.
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So far, I've flown the Camel the most trying to get something out of it, to no avail. I did find, as Sax pointed out earlier, that it can make a nose low turn to the right like nobody's business. On the other hand, the D.VII has really peaked my interest. So far I've used high yo-yo's with some speed in it to keep/gain an advantage on opposing planes. This scenario happened today; A Dr.I and I got into a 1v1. immediately he made a harsh right turn to get on me. I made a much smoother high yo-yo to the right. After a few seconds, he had came around the corner, but was much lower than me. I pulled up just that little bit to stall out, where I came down in a dive and blew him away as he tried to turn away.
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Hmm dangerous comes to mind.....
That's essentially the motivation for my question.
Some of these seem to be registered as ultralights which makes their operation subject to lesser FAA regulation, yes?
Theoretically arriving at a less safe airplane?
(ignoring the rotary engines).
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The Camel is going to be one of those planes like the late 109s, 152, P-51, and to a lesser extent the F4Us where you REALLY need to know how to work her to fully take advantage of her capabilities. But if you can do that, she's going to be one NASTY piece of work to engage. That wicked low-yo to the right is going to shock the hell out of a lot of Dr.I drivers when they try to flat-turn against her, and all the sudden get their bellies full of lead. If a Camel pilot can also master that hard snap-roll to the right she can change direction REALLY quickly, even to the left. Hammerheads and high-yos to the right are also greatly assisted by the same engine torque. I think she's going to eventually prove to be a more dangerous opponent to the D.VII than people realize as more pilots learn to really put her quirks to use. Particularly since the Camel maneuvers well at almost all speeds, and is less prone to breaking up under Gs than the F2B and Dr.I.
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The Dr I seems a bit to fast for me, but I could be wrong??? The D VII should be able to run away from a DR I but that doesn't seem to be the case here?? Not sure which engine the D VII has tho it could be that first one that was anaemic?
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D7 does walk away from the Dr1 given enough time. But figure a 5 minute flight max back to your own base.
And a speed difference of less than 5 mph. It takes more than 5 min to open up a significant lead.
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I have to disagree with Saxman on his analysis of the camel, particularly versus the Dr1. For starters, when it comes to ability to handle g-loading, the advantage is definitely with the Dr1. I rarely if ever break the dr1 from overstressing it in maneuvers, the camel on the other hand has a tendency to lose parts of the top wing in a high g turn. The only possible advantage of the camel that I've seen is acceleration. Top speeds are similar, climb and turn rates both favor the Dr1. Visibility is laughable in the camel when compared to the Dr1. I espescially like the cut out middle wing, that's a brilliant design providing even better visibility. Meanwhile in the camel all you've got is a little box to see up through the massive upper wing, and even the forward view is ruined by the support wire junction and absurd gunsite. Target profile and damage resistance also seem to favor the Dr1, overall it's a much smaller target and still very flyable even missing several parts particularly parts of wings. The same can't be said of the camel.
On this matter I've even noticed some peculiar characteristics of the Dr1. On one flight I lost both complete sides of the upper wing including ailerons, both middle wings were also wittled down significantly and the wheels, and presumably the lifting surface between them was also gone. The net result of this damage was quite surprising. The plane was still very flyable and under control. Aileron roll control was still present! I'm not sure if this is a bug or it's meant to simulate the pilot leaning left and right in the seat to roll the plane but either way, significant roll control is still available with the ailerons gone in this plane. Additionally, my top speed had surged. In level flight, I was able to easily maintain over 120 mph, a gain of at least 5-10mph from all that damage.
Even an undamaged Dr1 does some amazing things, such as climbing over 900 ft/min inverted! I have to wonder if that's a bug too as with that airfoil and general plane configuration I have a hard time believing it could even maintain level flight inverted.
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That's essentially the motivation for my question.
Some of these seem to be registered as ultralights which makes their operation subject to lesser FAA regulation, yes?
Theoretically arriving at a less safe airplane?
(ignoring the rotary engines).
You realize that the extreme rarity of rotary engines is going to make finding one for the kit really expensive.
Abandoned WWI replica kits are a dime a dozen. It when people start to look for a suitable engine for their project that they decide that maybe collectors cars weren't all that expensive.