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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Masherbrum on March 13, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
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I like it a lot. Sporting a Dark Side of the Moon "persona". This is also faster than 3.5 and the subsequent patches as well.
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Holding back until IE Tab upgrades along with it. Anyone have pipelining enabled with 3.6? Is it stable as with 3.5?
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I have it enabled, haven't had a crash yet in FF.
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Solid performer.
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I've had 3 crashes watching the Pacific on HBO tonight ..... went back to 3.5.8 and all is well.
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Forums used to take a while on 3.5. Haven't had a problem since then
Semp
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There is also a 64bit version of Firefox out there as well. Just like IE, none of the 32 bit plug-ins work properly for it though.
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Anyone have pipelining enabled with 3.6? Is it stable as with 3.5?
pipelining? :headscratch:
edit: just been checking out Safari 4 - dam its fast! no delay opening pages on this forum compared with Firefox, very impressive :aok sadly the post preview doesnt work properly :rolleyes:
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pipelining? :headscratch:
Pipelining is a feature that speeds up internet connections. It's the same concept used by download managers. I can't explain why, but opening multiple connections to a server will result in a page or file loading faster. Some sites won't allow it, such as Rapidshare or Megaupload, unless you pay for their subscription, but up-to-date sites like that simply won't let you do it and therefor don't bring about any problems. Some of the older, hand-coded download sites may ban you for pipelining, however, as it puts a bigger strain on their servers.
I'm sure HTC would like to punch me in the face when I open up on the skins page, downloading them ALL at the same time, pipelined. :D
As for FireFox, I'm enjoying the new version except that they changed the tab mechanics a bit. Used to be when you middle-clicked to open a new tab, it popped up on the right hand side end of the list of open tabs. Now it opens next to the tab you clicked the link in. I got so used to closing the tab on the end without looking when I wanted to get rid of the newest tab that I am still closing tabs to websites I want to keep open on accident.
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ahhh ok.
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3.6 here with "NASA night launch" theme, NOSCRIPT, All in one sidebar, Undo closed Tabs button, Better privacy, Fireshot, etc :aok
How to enable pipelining:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2033391_enable-pipelining-firefox.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_2033391_enable-pipelining-firefox.html)
Mutley :salute
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Awesome post MutleyBR, thank you very much sir!
No more delays loading the HTC forums, or threads, it just jumps and its there.
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Oh wow, love the pipelining. 0 wait time for page loads. Thanks
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Can you disable the whole tab thing? I have always detested the user interface, but then again, I hate the user interface of IE7 and on as well.
I have always liked the simple user interface in IE6. Easy to use and easy to manage.
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why would you want to skuzzy? Much easier to open links in a new tab, leaving the original page there to back to if needed.
The pipelining thing is bloody awesome!
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I thoroughly detest, nay despise the whole "tab" approach. I end up with a fraking mess on my hands everytime I try to use them. Seems to add a whole slew of unneccessary clicks to the whole process of looking at WEB pages. It is utter confusion run amok.
It I want to open a page in a new window, I can. Right-click and open in a new window. 99% of time I do not want to do that.
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Can you disable the whole tab thing?
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/fftaboptions.png)
With the top one unchecked, the only way you can "accidentally" make a tab happen is by clicking a link with the mousewheel. Otherwise they won't appear unless you right click and choose "open in new tab." Shift-click still opens a new window, and right-clicking a link still gives the Open in New Window option.
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What does the user interface look like these days? Last time I installed FF, I had to reformat and reinstall Windows to get everything working again due to the stupid Sun Java crap.
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What does the user interface look like these days? Last time I installed FF, I had to reformat and reinstall Windows to get everything working again due to the stupid Sun Java crap.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/th_ffscreenshot.png) (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/ffscreenshot.png)
Screenshot of my FireFox, which is just the standard interface with tabs open and a few add-ons in the bottom right corner.
EDIT: Looks like I blocked the Home/Back/Forward/Refresh buttons with the File menu, but they are pretty much emulating IE's. The Home/Back have a pulldown for recent history. One of my favorite features is the interface buttons/history/favorites work like hyperlinks; middle-clicking one will open it in a new tab, shift-clicking will open a new window, ect.
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What about Java? Does it still depend on the Sun java crap?
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What about Java? Does it still depend on the Sun java crap?
To install and use in a basic sense (like you do), no. Of course you need it for Java applets and whatnot, but the browser functions without it.
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Unfortunately, it seems every frakin site on the net is making use of Java now. Numpties, the lot of them. I do what I can to blacklist those sites, but the damn banks insist on using it. And they wonder why they get hacked so often?
Worst thing to happen to the net. Crappy language too.
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That's one reason I love the NoScript add-on. Seems like something you'd like too. :)
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I just cannot afford to have it go awry again. It takes days for me to get my computer back up and running when I have to install the OS.
The only sites I have to allow that Java crap to run on are the damn bank sites. That means installing the Sun crap. Not going to happen.
Back to the drawing board.
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I just cannot afford to have it go awry again. It takes days for me to get my computer back up and running when I have to install the OS.
The only sites I have to allow that Java crap to run on are the damn bank sites. That means installing the Sun crap. Not going to happen.
Back to the drawing board.
Why donīt you try Sandboxie?
http://www.sandboxie.com/ (http://www.sandboxie.com/)
It creates a "sandbox" in your drive. Then you browse using a sandboxed browser. Whatever crap happens, happens inside that sandbox. When you close it all is gone...
The sandbox is deleted.
Or if you wish to download a file, for example. You can take that file out of the sandbox, before it's deleted.
If you use Sandboxie no site is gonna harm your system. With Java or not. :aok
Mutley
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I'm really shocked that Skuzz hasn't set up a virtual PC for web browsing purposes...
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Guys, the act of installing the Sun Java crap is what screwed me over last time. It was the most intrusive piece of software I had ever installed. I will never install it again. I would do without Java altogether but, the idiotic banking institutions and places like Garmin require Java, what is the solution? I have no love of IE, but at least its Java crap stays out of the way.
Virtual PC is just more layers on layers and does not solve the problem. Sandbox does not solve the problem either. It is yet another layer of software.
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It seems to me that FireFox and IE are equivalent in the Java area, FireFox benefiting from the NoScript add-on, no ActiveX, and being open source/more deeply configurable. But I'm sure you kill ActiveX anyway.
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Yes, I kill ActiveX and Java scripts and Java as well and make use of the "Trusted Sites" zone for those I that absolutely require java/javascript to run. Damn banks.
However, MS has its own Java and does not use the Sun crap, or they munge it up so it is not intrusive. It may be slow and ugly, but at least it stays out of the way of everything else in the computer.
When Firefox can do away with the Sun crap, I'll give it a look now that I know tabs can be disabled.
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I'm confused here, when you say Java do you mean JavaScript? Because only one box I administer has Sun's JRE on it (an app requires it) none of the rest do and they all run Firefox (primarily to avoid the security nightmare that is ActiveX). afaik Firefox has never depended on Java.
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Well colored me confused then.
I know Firefox does not depend on Java, but there are WEB sites that do depend on the Java language (not just Javascript). Does Firefox have native support for the Java language or does it require the Sun Java package to be installed to run WEB sites that are written in the Java language to run?
In the passed I had to install the Sun Java package so the crappy financial WEB pages would work as they have written thier sites in Java. That has been the source of all my ills with Firefox. I refuse to install the Sun Java package on my computer. Stupid installation cost me a week of downtime.
Java and Flash, the worst things to happen to the Internet.
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have to install the Java plug-in to access websites that require it in Fire Fox 3.6 ( just upgraded her from FF 3.05? )........... had to do that for Mom's PC... she is a pogo fanatic... it aked for the "new" Java plug-in what she currently had was an old version
Java auto-updater was turned off ( as it should be for those who use Java/JavaScript )
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Java's not builtin, you have install a JRE to run Java applets. my own bank does half of its authentication using javascript on the clientside, just a bizarre choice. I keep seeing more and more stuff done with javascript on the client side which should plainly be done on the server side. Well planned AJAX stuff aside, client/server web apps should run on the server, not the client.
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I always thought Java was a Sun Microsystems product and trademark (ie nobody could make a different version of it). Interesting.
Yes, Firefox requires a Java plugin to view Java pages, however knowing the above and the Open Source community, there must be a better version than Sun's out there somewhere.
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I thoroughly detest, nay despise the whole "tab" approach. I end up with a fraking mess on my hands everytime I try to use them. Seems to add a whole slew of unneccessary clicks to the whole process of looking at WEB pages. It is utter confusion run amok.
It I want to open a page in a new window, I can. Right-click and open in a new window. 99% of time I do not want to do that.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/th_ffscreenshot.png) (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/ffscreenshot.png)
Screenshot of my FireFox, which is just the standard interface with tabs open and a few add-ons in the bottom right corner.
EDIT: Looks like I blocked the Home/Back/Forward/Refresh buttons with the File menu, but they are pretty much emulating IE's. The Home/Back have a pulldown for recent history. One of my favorite features is the interface buttons/history/favorites work like hyperlinks; middle-clicking one will open it in a new tab, shift-clicking will open a new window, ect.
Both of you should use this Add-On to simplfy "Tabs" - ColorfulTabs. It's one of the few I use and makes each tab a different color, so they stand out better.
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Both of you should use this Add-On to simplfy "Tabs" - ColorfulTabs. It's one of the few I use and makes each tab a different color, so they stand out better.
I'm a young whippersnapper; don't need no tab colors, my eyes work fine. :D
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I'm a young whippersnapper; don't need no tab colors, my eyes work fine. :D
:furious :furious :furious :furious :devil
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Pipelining is a feature that speeds up internet connections. It's the same concept used by download managers. I can't explain why, but opening multiple connections to a server will result in a page or file loading faster. Some sites won't allow it, such as Rapidshare or Megaupload, unless you pay for their subscription, but up-to-date sites like that simply won't let you do it and therefor don't bring about any problems. Some of the older, hand-coded download sites may ban you for pipelining, however, as it puts a bigger strain on their servers.
I'm sure HTC would like to punch me in the face when I open up on the skins page, downloading them ALL at the same time, pipelined. :D
As for FireFox, I'm enjoying the new version except that they changed the tab mechanics a bit. Used to be when you middle-clicked to open a new tab, it popped up on the right hand side end of the list of open tabs. Now it opens next to the tab you clicked the link in. I got so used to closing the tab on the end without looking when I wanted to get rid of the newest tab that I am still closing tabs to websites I want to keep open on accident.
Follow these easy steps to fix the tab order: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2010/02/01/change-firefox-to-open-new-tab-at-far-right-end-of-tabbar-disable-insert-next-to-current-active-tab/comment-page-1/
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Must be an ancient version of Java that Skuzz is running:
Sun Microsystems had originally licensed Java to Microsoft but finally initiated litigation against Microsoft for failing to adhere to the license agreements to implement the Java language specifications fully.
Some observers have remarked that this was deliberate from Microsoft, in an attempt to at least slow the advance of Sun's Java technology[3] [4].
The failure of the MSJVM to pass Sun's compliance tests was a large factor in the initial lawsuit. On January 24, 2001, this and all other outstanding Sun-Microsoft lawsuits were settled as part of a wide-ranging agreement between Sun and Microsoft.[5]. The settlement document outlined that Microsoft also could not advance J++ beyond its mirrored implementation of Java, version 1.1.4. This effectively ended J++ and further updates. As well, the MSJVM had to cease to be distributed and is no longer available for download.
However, due to settlement of outstanding litigation, Microsoft was allowed further to update the MSJVM to fix security holes and any problems relating to the security theater. Microsoft has since ceased support for the MSJVM on December 31, 2007[6].
The technology of J++ was eventually recycled, and survived for a while, as part of the Microsoft .NET platform and the J# programming language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B)
Anyways, I personally believe that 90%+ of software out there today is way too 'intrusive' and that is one of the things I love about Aces High NOT being, but then again while I consider myself very knowledgeable when it comes to computers, I'm not a programmer and still don't see how Sun Java is all that 'risky'.. but then again I don't keep anything on this computer that I can't restore and as a result, don't go crazy when it comes to security. I do hate how everything you install these days BY DEFAULT "runs on startup" and "checks for updates" causing several more programs running in the background, and if you turn it all off, if and when you do install an update, it turns everything back on again.
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Follow these easy steps to fix the tab order
I knew there'd be an about:config setting for it, I just didn't know what to search for. Thanks
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Both of you should use this Add-On to simplfy "Tabs" - ColorfulTabs. It's one of the few I use and makes each tab a different color, so they stand out better.
I detest "tabs" in the browser. For me it is a clumbsy and cumbersome interface.
Tigger, the last time I installed the Sun Java crap, it broke several other applications (including IE, which prevented me from getting Windows updates) I had installed at the time. Sun may know Solaris, but I will never trust a Windows product from them again. Yes, they insist on dialing home and popping up a Window, when you least expect it, to tell you about an update. Yes, another unneccessary background process.
You can shut that crap off, but they still manage to dial home when you are browsing around.
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Has anyone tried getting around Sun Java by using IE Tab for Firefox? I used it to obtain Windows Updates for Windows XP via Firefox, probably will run Java applications without Sun Java.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/92382
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Has anyone tried getting around Sun Java by using IE Tab for Firefox? I used it to obtain Windows Updates for Windows XP via Firefox, probably will run Java applications without Sun Java.
IE Tab is not compatible with FireFox 3.6
EDIT: Or they've decided to not push the update through the autoupdater in FireFox. Then again, it is an "experimental version" of IE Tab.
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IE Tab 2 is. Check the link.
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I don't like Google Chrome's browser because of over simplicity, but perhaps Chrome is the browser for skuzzy?
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I don't like Google Chrome's browser because of over simplicity, but perhaps Chrome is the browser for skuzzy?
I love Chrome, except for occasionally it BSOD's my computer when I open a new tab.
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Thanks for telling me why not to try it!
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Thanks for telling me why not to try it!
I haven't had any problems with it on my Windows 7 PC, but I do miss Firefox's NoScript and AdBlock Plus. The Chrome version requires you to left click on the ad, which opens the ad, rather than right click and easily block it without going to the ad's website. Otherwise, it streamlines pretty well with the whole Windows 7 interface. Important note: Your bookmarks are located in a folder to the top left, rather than having a textual drop down box.
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I detest "tabs" in the browser. For me it is a clumbsy and cumbersome interface.
Tigger, the last time I installed the Sun Java crap, it broke several other applications (including IE, which prevented me from getting Windows updates) I had installed at the time. Sun may know Solaris, but I will never trust a Windows product from them again. Yes, they insist on dialing home and popping up a Window, when you least expect it, to tell you about an update. Yes, another unneccessary background process.
You can shut that crap off, but they still manage to dial home when you are browsing around.
How long has it been since you've installed Java?
You can disable the updates in control panel/java/update then unclick the auto check for updates box
In the advanced tab there are a host of other choices you can make to basically customize it to run the way you want it to run. Including security.
Running with the Firefox addon "noscript" you can set it up to only run on the sites you need it to run on.
Hell mine doesnt even load anything in my proccesses on bootup and will only run on the sites I want it to
I remember a good deal of years ago Java being the PIA you say. I just dont find it to be the case any longer.
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Dred, just the installation of Java from Sun screwed up IE and both the banking sites I have to deal with at home. Not my fault they write this crap in Java.
Still have to have IE for the updater.
Having to re-install Windows just to get back to running normally is not fun. Once you install the Sun Java crap, you cannot un-install it and have a computer that is working like it did before. At least, that was my experience with it and I will not go through that again.
I do not want to mess with crap like this when I am at home. I expect my computer to work everytime I turn it on. If I install something that screws it up, I'll mark it down as "never do that again", re-install the OS and applications, and move on. I do not waste time trying to find out why it screwed things up, I just want it to work and if it does not work, then it never gets another chance to screw up my computer.
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Skuzzy - Dred is right. If you are rendering JS at all under IE without a Sun JRE installed, you're using the MSJVM, which has been out of support status for going on 3 years now. In short, you're taking the risk that the older,now slightly more obscure Microsoft Java Engine that's currently unsupported won't be exploited. (Assuming it hasn't already).
Since EVERY Windows system up until 2007 had it installed, it's a pretty big target - that's a bet I wouldn't take.
Do a backup, image your disk as a precaution, make a system restore point, install the newest Java. I don't know of anyone else who had the same experience that you did - it's most likely that something else you'd ran previously set you up for the crash. (I know, I know, that never ever happens with Microsoft software....)
A little paranoia is a good thing - but remember, too much just makes you paranoid. {grin}
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Ghastly, if it had not happened on 3 different computers, I would not be worried about it.
The overall problem seems to be when Sun went forward with the new version of Java (whatever the heck the stupid version is now), they dropped backward compatibility with the older version (whatever stupid version that used to be). Now, if you happen to run into a site (stupid banks/financial institutions) that makes use of the older Java code, it will no longer work. Worse, it will lockup the computer and require a power-on reset.
I am very well aware of the stupid ills of MS Java. That is why it is disabled for all but three sites (stupid banks/financial institutions).
Sun may have fixed all the ills, but I am never going to trust it again. If the stupid banking/financial institutions did not require it, I would rip everything related to Java out my computer. I really do not care if anyone thinks I am just being paranoid. I just so hate to work on computer problems when I am at home, I will go to extended lengths to make sure I do not have to.
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So do you like Microsoft silverlight skuzzy?
:D
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Never tried it, never will, but I also do not have Flash installed. How about you?
That just triggered a thought. You guys may assume I plow around on the Internet when I get home. Nothing could be farther from the truth. At home I just use my computer for writing software and video/audio editing stuff.
The only time I open a browser is to update the OS, hit the stupid Java laden banks/financial stuff, and when I handle our bulletin board stuff in the mornings. By the time I get home in the evenings, the last thing I want to see is anything Internet related.
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Never tried it, never will, but I also do not have Flash installed. How about you?
That just triggered a thought. You guys may assume I plow around on the Internet when I get home. Nothing could be farther from the truth. At home I just use my computer for writing software and video/audio editing stuff.
I was just curious if you've ran into yet and whether or not you think it's a step above Java.
Personally I think banks would be better off sticking with standard HTML(with some javascript) instead of trying to create anything using Java or silverlight.
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Never tried it, never will, but I also do not have Flash installed. How about you?
That just triggered a thought. You guys may assume I plow around on the Internet when I get home. Nothing could be farther from the truth. At home I just use my computer for writing software and video/audio editing stuff.
The only time I open a browser is to update the OS, hit the stupid Java laden banks/financial stuff, and when I handle our bulletin board stuff in the mornings. By the time I get home in the evenings, the last thing I want to see is anything Internet related.
LOL I can certainly relate to that.
I installed new windows in my daughters room a few years ago which required me to also re frame the opening.
It took my wife 3 years to get me to paint the wall in my daughters room where I installed the new window.
The exterior of my house is getting on due for a new paint job. (Plus Im tired of the color) Im seriously thinking of hiring my nephew to paint it for me.
Back on topic. I havent had any problems with Java in a long long time. But to each their own.
Perhaps you might consider building an elcheapo rig out of spare parts with Java installed and use it just for banking and only for banking/billpaying
Something Im hearing isnt a bad idea anyway for those who surf the net alot or have kids that do.